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Hey everyone,
Just wanted to ask a quick question regarding the firmware
I got my UK unlocked S5 last week and as soon as I set it up, an update came through, which is 100mb, the note regarding say "Improved performance", the update download, but I haven't installed it yet. Mainly because of a bad experience I had after updating my S3. I haven't come across any bugs since I've been using it, and I'm concerned that if I update, the battery will drain quicker, or perhaps cause an error in the recovery mode(these things happened to my S3 after updating to 4.3). So 2 main questions.
1. Has anyone here downloaded this 100mb software update their S5? If so, what differences did you notice?
2. Suppose I updated and wasn't happy with the new changes? Would it be possible to go back to the original firmware version that my phone came with when I took it out of the box, *without rooting my S5?
Hope some people on here can shed some light on these questions.
Thank you in advance*
1. It's just a system update. The phone is new there are bound to be updates as issues are ironed out
2. You can odin any firmware whenever you want
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MasterfulNinja said:
Has anyone here downloaded this 100mb software update their S5? If so, what differences did you notice?
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Your instincts are dead on. Updates may fix bugs or add a desireable feature. But just as often they introduce new bugs, break root or disable root exploits, break a few apps and add noxious DRM frameworks like the Knox qfuse warranty bit. They can seriously mess up a custom ROM and may depreciate features like MSC or car dock that may be important to you personally.
Updates cannot always be reverted. Try downgrading your Kitkat baseband to Jellybean and see what happens. Or try removing the Knox security bit after you take the update that introduced it. I disable automatic updates and wait to hear what early adopters find before upgrading.
Unfortunately you didn't tell us the all important version of your update. Or even tell us what your current firmware version and carrier are. Your update might be similar to the recent ATT /Verizon OTA adding the mixed blessing of reactivation lock. That is causing bootloops for some people with custom kermels. 4.4.3 is mostly bug fixes, with a few UI tweaks. And I believe 4.4.4 took aim at closing yet another open-SSL exploit and reverting some of the new 4.4.3 bugs.
No matter what an update intends to do, a few new bugs and unexpected conflicts usually turn up. A quick Google finds reports like this:
International Business Times said:
Issues Spotted for the Android 4.4.3 Kitkat
The Android 4.4.3 Kitkat system update is pretty much all about improving performances, strengthening stability and fixing a couple of bugs. However, it reels in a couple of issues experienced by users of Nexus devices that have already been upgraded to the latest update.
According to IT Pro, some of these issues include wi-fi problems, crashes and reboots and bugs found in apps. Google has not yet given any statement about how to deal with these issues nor has there been any word if these issues are only experienced by a handful.
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Your instincts are dead on. Updates may fix bugs or add a desireable feature. But just as often they introduce new bugs, break root or disable root exploits, break a few apps and add noxious DRM frameworks like the Knox qfuse warranty bit. They can seriously mess up a custom ROM and may depreciate features like MSC or car dock that may be important to you personally.
Updates cannot always be reverted. Try downgrading your Kitkat baseband to Jellybean and see what happens. Or try removing the Knox security bit after you take the update that introduced it. I disable automatic updates and wait to hear what early adopters find before upgrading.
Unfortunately you didn't tell us the all important version of your update. Or even tell us what your current firmware version and carrier are. Your update might be similar to the recent ATT /Verizon OTA adding the mixed blessing of reactivation lock. That is causing bootloops for some people with custom kermels. 4.4.3 is mostly bug fixes, with a few UI tweaks. And I believe 4.4.4 took aim at closing yet another open-SSL exploit and reverting some of the new 4.4.3 bugs.
No matter what an update intends to do, a few new bugs and unexpected conflicts usually turn up. A quick Google finds reports like this:
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Thank you very much for your detailed answers! That's exactly it! And I know from experience that updating firmware can cause a negative affect to the phone's performance. My iPhone 4S is still on iOS 5.1 but runs perfectly, while friends who updated their 4S to 7.1 experience freezes and heavy lag. Maybe companies do this deliberately, so people get frustrated and end up having to get the latest, more powerful model so the OS to run smoothly?
I do exactly the same, I always wait to see what people about an update before updating. The only difficulty with Android updates is that there seem to be so many different versions of updates. For example, when I researched the 100mb one for the S5,* various sites mentioned it, but others say the size of the update was 30mb, which were called "improved performance" I also heard about updates not always being able to be reverted to the previous version,* and also about Knox. So, you can see why I'm hesitant to update.
I know quite a bit about using Android, but have very limited knowledge regarding rooting and custom roms and so on. Also, after reading that rooting a phone incorrectly can turn it into a brick, I'm happy to just leave it as it is. I've attached a photo which shows my current firmware version, as well as other information. Also, as my S5 is unlocked, the only updates I'll receive will be from Samsung. I asked my carrier (T-Mobile UK) and that's what they told me. Only phones from bought from them include added apps that they put on, and I think they may also be able to tweak the updates received, by adding their own features.
Some more questions for you;
1. Do you recommend a factory reset after each software update?(I had to factory reset my S3 to stop the battery draining issue that 4.3 caused. But was wondering if it's best to factory reset after each and every update on Android devices)
2. I know you said that sometimes reverting back to a previous firmware isn't always possible, but can't using Odin with the correct firmware version work? Like Goldie mentioned in the above reply. And does changing the firmware via Odin require rooting the phone?
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Thank you very much for your detailed answers! That's exactly it! And I know from experience that updating firmware can cause a negative affect to the phone's performance. My iPhone 4S is still on iOS 5.1 but runs perfectly, while friends who updated their 4S to 7.1 experience freezes and heavy lag. Maybe companies do this deliberately, so people get frustrated and end up having to get the latest, more powerful model so the OS to run smoothly?
I do exactly the same, I always wait to see what people about an update before updating. The only difficulty with Android updates is that there seem to be so many different versions of updates. For example, when I researched the 100mb one for the S5,* various sites mentioned it, but others say the size of the update was 30mb, which were called "improved performance" I also heard about updates not always being able to be reverted to the previous version,* and also about Knox. So, you can see why I'm hesitant to update.
I know quite a bit about using Android, but have very limited knowledge regarding rooting and custom roms and so on. Also, after reading that rooting a phone incorrectly can turn it into a brick, I'm happy to just leave it as it is. I've attached a photo which shows my current firmware version, as well as other information. Also, as my S5 is unlocked, the only updates I'll receive will be from Samsung. I asked my carrier (T-Mobile UK) and that's what they told me. Only phones from bought from them include added apps that they put on, and I think they may also be able to tweak the updates received, by adding their own features.
Some more questions for you;
1. Do you recommend a factory reset after each software update?(I had to factory reset my S3 to stop the battery draining issue that 4.3 caused. But was wondering if it's best to factory reset after each and every update on Android devices)
2. I know you said that sometimes reverting back to a previous firmware isn't always possible, but can't using Odin with the correct firmware version work? Like Goldie mentioned in the above reply. And does changing the firmware via Odin require rooting the phone?
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1. Yes, a data factory reset after a update/flash a rom is remmended and gives best performance and stability;
2. I haven`t tried flashing a older rom itself but it should be possible i guess as this is not dowgrading like from 4.4.2 to 4.3. You could try it and if it fails there`s no harm done as you can flash your current rom back.
3. Installing a update or flash a rom usualy will kill root, though superSU Pro offers a survival mode to keep root after a update. You can also flash a rom with Mobile Odin Pro and enable everroot and the 2 other options so you will not loose root.
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I don't automatically accept updates. Someone more impulsive, or indifferent can be the guinea pig. That approach is effective in avoiding some unpleasant firmware surprises. Often an older firmware version runs smoother and is more stable as in your IOS 5 vs 7 example. Running an older firmware means that you may have unpatched security vulnerabilities but in practice this usually isn't a great or unmanageable problem. It is a point to keep in mind though.
Rooting isn't nearly as dangerous as many people think it is. Someone who can follow directions and avoid flashing firmware from a completely different device will rarely brick a phone. And even if you did, you can usually recover from the mishap. I mention this because one of the best ways to maintain a stable phone OS is to install a decent custom ROM (which typically requires root). And then most of the heavy lifting is done by the developer who has already removed bloat, restrictions and other objectionable pieces. And monitors and releases tailored and usually stable updates for those using his ROM.
Android updates vary in size because they are screened by carriers, each deciding what update components and /or custom bits goes into their version of the update. More restrictive Apple manages all IOS updates centrally from their California servers i.e. they don't relinquish direct control to carriers. Still it isn't hard to find articles giving a good summary of what issues android firmware updates are addressing.
Some people believe that you should accept every update and as soon as it becomes available. I don't see a compelling need to update unless you are trying to resolve a current bug or are enticed by a specific new feature. I don't recommend a factory reset after each update. I do recommend that you clear the system cache from recovery mode though. A factory reset usually won't benefit you but it is time consuming to reinstall and reconfigure your phone.
Having said that, if you have a specific issue, such as the 4.3 battery drain then you have a rationale for doing so. But I have to say that I experienced the same S3 issue and clearing the cache was sufficient to stabilize the phone for me. Some phones will develop corruption or configuration conflicts over time, especially if you install a lot of apps. Or if you have a specific app that makes a mess of your file system. With that in mind, I do do a factory reset about once a year to clean up the phone, the same as I would do for a laptop OS. But I don't see a reason to do it after every update.
Odin is a Samsung product, complete with DRM. So no, you cannot flash anything with Odin. You can flash most stock firmware and in particular Odin will look for OEM signatures if you try to change the bootloader or modem. In the case of downgrading, it is the Knox qfuse on your phone that will cause the Odin flash to fail. If you try to downgrade you end up with a partial flash which can soft brick your phone and trip the Knox flag.
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I have just received a system update notification telling me I can update to the latest 28.0.A.7.31 firmware which was certified on July 7th according to PTCRB.. Should I proceed with the update ??
https://www.ptcrb.com/vendor/complete/view_complete_request_guest.cfm?modelid=29933
I've read somewhere that in the (.27) firmware, which is available only in UK region, people said that the CPU speed is running at a lower frequency and some cores are even turned off/in idle state by default.. I wonder if that is the case with this update..
P/S: I'm not sure if I'm currently really running on a (.24) HK firmware.. I am from Malaysia so I'm assuming I'm running on HK firmware.. Is anyone else receiving this update ??
EDIT: I've updated to the latest firmware..
Well, why don't you try it for yourself? I mean the other areas are still on .24 so no-one is currently able to give you information about that.
i just updated to the .31 updates and i am also from malaysia.
After the update,performance wise nothing has really changed much , but there is a big update to the camera software.
just to point out something i noticed after the update:
1. The manual mode 20.7 mp can now touch focus (correct me if i am wrong , the older version couldnt do it)
2. The focusing on the camera improved a huge miles.(just yesterday , i am frustrating to focus a bank receipt of bank-in or anything close up like , and focus on any mode in anything just doesnt work right)
The update just made me more in love with this phone. Although a bit disappointing that it is not 5.1.1 update LOL
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Well, why don't you try it for yourself? I mean the other areas are still on .24 so no-one is currently able to give you information about that.
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I see.. I hope other regions will get it soon as I'm not really that good at noticing changes/improvements, at least in great detail with the backing of information/stats from 3rd party apps (CPU-Z) etc.. I'll try to give my thoughts on it should I notice anything.. Can't wait for fellow users to make a review of this update..
Shiro2112 said:
i just updated to the .31 updates and i am also from malaysia.
After the update,performance wise nothing has really changed much , but there is a big update to the camera software.
just to point out something i noticed after the update:
1. The manual mode 20.7 mp can now touch focus (correct me if i am wrong , the older version couldnt do it)
2. The focusing on the camera improved a huge miles.(just yesterday , i am frustrating to focus a bank receipt of bank-in or anything close up like , and focus on any mode in anything just doesnt work right)
The update just made me more in love with this phone. Although a bit disappointing that it is not 5.1.1 update LOL
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I see.. I guess this is a firmware to rectify the overheating issue plus a couple of subtle improvements here and there.. Was not expecting 5.1.1 as the version number is not that different from (.24) firmware.. Hoping for it to come soon though..
Shiro2112 said:
i just updated to the .31 updates and i am also from malaysia.
After the update,performance wise nothing has really changed much , but there is a big update to the camera software.
just to point out something i noticed after the update:
1. The manual mode 20.7 mp can now touch focus (correct me if i am wrong , the older version couldnt do it)
2. The focusing on the camera improved a huge miles.(just yesterday , i am frustrating to focus a bank receipt of bank-in or anything close up like , and focus on any mode in anything just doesnt work right)
The update just made me more in love with this phone. Although a bit disappointing that it is not 5.1.1 update LOL
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Dear make a FTF for other users and upload thanks
atif_afzal said:
Dear make a FTF for other users and upload thanks
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You can easily download and create the FTF using XperiFirm:
http://www.xperiablog.net/2014/08/1...re-files-using-xperifirm-and-flashtool-guide/
hush66 said:
You can easily download and create the FTF using XperiFirm:
http://www.xperiablog.net/2014/08/1...re-files-using-xperifirm-and-flashtool-guide/
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yesterday and today I check but no .31 Is there. that's why I asked for FTF. D6533 dual
Firmware 28.0.A.8.245 Certified
A new firmware with build number 28.0.A.8.245 just got certified on PTCRB.. Looks to be a slightly bigger update from the last update we got..
https://www.ptcrb.com/vendor/complete/view_complete_request_guest.cfm?modelid=29933
zabi1994 said:
A new firmware with build number 28.0.A.8.245 just got certified on PTCRB.. Looks to be a slightly bigger update from the last update we got..
https://www.ptcrb.com/vendor/complete/view_complete_request_guest.cfm?modelid=29933
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ooo, could we hope for a preparation to 5.1.1 then and lots of bug fixes
I am using HK firmware,and I am SURE there are no new OTA update(.31).
It looks like after hundred years of wait the final version of Marshmallow is here
But the thread about it have already flooded with hackers and people who root and are in general very advanced users.
Most people of us here have not rooted or touched the boot loader, all the problem we might see in the other thread might be because of the reason
that they have modified the phone in different ways.
so lets discuss of this update work for us who have non-modifed devices ? And let
keep all advanced "root" and hacking talk please. Especially since that in its own might confuse people
cause modified devices might cause problems that we do not get for people who have had patience
to not modified there devices or install any Beta versions of android.
It is not much information at this point about what versions that it is compatible with
but it can be downloaded here
http://www.huaweiblog.de/android/mar...fiziell-final/
I think we are all eager to install this device but there is not much info
we simply need more people to try and confirm what works and not
I think most people in this thread will be on lollipop b331
So it would be nice if people could try and confirm if it works from this version
will all data be wiped ?
You need to do full backup ?
Let us know what problem you get into.
For more advanced rooting and hacking talking use the other thread
this thread is for people with non experience of that
I myself am on B513 and tried updating to the final marshmallow build yesterday and it did not work, i tried both methods of updating, using the dialer method would not even recognize there was an update on my sd card, the power button and volume up and down method started and got to about 5% and then failed. This was all also done on a clean Mate 7, no root or anything and I even reset and wiped the device before trying the update. Either I'm doing something wrong in the update process or this update does not work on B513. Any help would be great in figuring this update out!
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I myself am on B513 and tried updating to the final marshmallow build yesterday and it did not work, i tried both methods of updating, using the dialer method would not even recognize there was an update on my sd card, the power button and volume up and down method started and got to about 5% and then failed. This was all also done on a clean Mate 7, no root or anything and I even reset and wiped the device before trying the update. Either I'm doing something wrong in the update process or this update does not work on B513. Any help would be great in figuring this update out!
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This is really valuable information thanks I am in the same situation as you. I have not tried to update myself I want to make sure all this work before I start to backup and wipe my device as you might understand.
blackinfinity said:
This is really valuable information thanks I am in the same situation as you. I have not tried to update myself I want to make sure all this work before I start to backup and wipe my device as you might understand.
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So are you on B331 or B513?
B331
From what i have gathered, we may have a problem with the 'cust'. Aparently the verion that's around only works with C432 and some of us have C900 (you can easily check this in 'about phone/build number'. I hope someone with more knowledge can guide us
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From what i have gathered, we may have a problem with the 'cust'. Aparently the verion that's around only works with C432 and some of us have C900 (you can easily check this in 'about phone/build number'. I hope someone with more knowledge can guide us
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Does this mean we have to roll back to kitkat ?
blackinfinity said:
Does this mean we have to roll back to kitkat ?
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I upgraded from B513
bug on B522
Hello everyone I have noticed a bug under Marshmallow, some applications like facebook or twitter messenger does not run in the background and suddenly I not receive notifications if they are closed ( the same thing with B513 ) .
All the parameters are good , apps are "protected" and have all the permissions to do it ( run in background ) : it comes from Marshmallow or must wait for updated applications concerned ?
Second question , twice I managed to see integrated into the " phone " application during a call , the keys to Register the call or forward ... it lasted only 5/10 seconds and I unable to remember what I hit to make them appear .. you have an idea ?
Thank you (you and google translate )
we all know that huawei is the most incompetent out of all android oem's, but i dont think they're such idiots to release final version software with such restrictions to who can install it. the update demands too specific conditions to succeed.. i am on c900b331 and im sick of waiting. guys, even 4 years old nexus 4 works WAY better, more smooth and stable than mate 7. i guess we're just used to how it works but since few days im using iphone se and... i think i couldnt go back to huawei. this thing barely works compared to iphone.. still got the mate7, and nexus 4 and waiting to test out final marshmallow.
my concern is this whole b522 is not a stable final yet.
So far everything is running pretty smooth, updated from c900b513 to c900b522 and works great so far, only noticeable thing is the new health app and all but one theme is deleted, but they can easily be downloaded and added again if you want them, ram management is far better, I'll see how battery is tomorrow
I was just pushed the PG2 update and I'm on official stock rooted PF4. When I look at the update.zip it says its build G900VVZW2DPG2 at around 108 MB in size. Let me know what you guys think [safe to install directly or not and wait].
http://www.filedropper.com/update_9
or
http://www104.zippyshare.com/v/4utqp0tB/file.html
https://www.verizonwireless.com/support/galaxy-s5-update/
Wait. Last Friday, I put the file in the existing update to thread and mentioned the two main people who have been making rooted versions for a while now. They haven't said anything last I looked, but I have yet to check for anything today.
Kaliaila said:
Wait. Last Friday, I put the file in the existing update to thread and mentioned the two main people who have been making rooted versions for a while now. They haven't said anything last I looked, but I have yet to check for anything today.
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Sorry about that. I tried doing a search for PG2 in the threads but didn't find anything. I see your post now. Hopefully they can get something worked out soon.
It doesn't say PG2, most of the threads update their names once they have put in a new way; but no one has done that for PG2 yet. Most people were not expecting us to get another update so soon; so I am guessing they haven't checked it yet.
Im debating whether to mess around with it since my phone is just plain jacked right now. I think my PF4 update didnt go well or something cause I only am getting about 20 minutes of battery life when I was getting over half a day. Now that we are 2.5 phones away from this one, I doubt there will be much support to root the updates.
Downloading full PG2.
I will build new rom flashable via twrp/flashfire.
Update
I upgrade from version to G900VVZW2DPG2.
The update addresses any errors Stagefright the probe and all this norrmal. I am now in version Saturday the G900VVRU2BPB1 aver if I can make root
Hello friends I installed the update PG2 and I have not noticed changes that can be noticed and the security version only came up to September one, if they know of any other changes please share
In case you haven't found it yet, here is the thread to upgrade your rom to rooted PG2. If you wish to upgrade your bootloader to an unlocked PG2 bootloader, the first post also includes a link to the thread which deals with that.
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Im debating whether to mess around with it since my phone is just plain jacked right now. I think my PF4 update didnt go well or something cause I only am getting about 20 minutes of battery life when I was getting over half a day. Now that we are 2.5 phones away from this one, I doubt there will be much support to root the updates.
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So its not just me. I've had my phone sitting at my desk, untouched, streaming spotify for the last hour, its at 20% after a full charge. I had it in my pocket Saturday at a basketball game, it was down to 50% after about 25 minutes without touching it.
Hi All
Hoping you can help as i am struggling to understand how this all works with this manufacturer. I got this tablet yesterday and love it so far ... upon starting the tablet i was greeted with an update notification that i initially figured was for 7.0 - turns out this was a patch for 6.0.
This is all great except i noticed in another thread that someone with the same version and based in the uk received the update. Mine wont find it. I tried the PC software to see if this would work as it used to on other manufacturers (Sony for example) but it said i was up to date.
I would prefer to update the official way if possible (not my first BBQ, have had more android tablets than you can poke a stick at - have resorted to all sorts of ways to get the next software before)
Any ideas anyone ? least possible effort as i don't want to corrupt this awesome piece of kit !
From what I can tell they roll it out in waves based on the device's IMEI. I also haven't received it in Italy when some people in neighbouring countries have. I guess all you can do is wait. By the way, corrupting the device is not that easy, if you want to test Nougat right now, you can get it using Firmware Finder, then you can roll back to the regular version using a rollback package you can find on Huawei's website. Worst case scenario, you will have to factory reset, but it won't be a big deal I guess since you just got it. I was able to roll back from a failed flash of Nougat just fine, then reflashed the correct version of Nougat and used it for a while, then rolled back again because I heard the official ota is coming, and it always worked just fine.
Ok great thanks for confirming. i almost went for the galaxytab s2 again (my wife swindled me out of my old one ! ) but glad i didn't - this one runs better on 6.0 than the s2 on 7.0 i noticed.