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Differences in GN3 by Carriers

Kind of curious...
The GN3 appears to support the frequencies of the various carriers included. Perhaps making the device portable from Carrier to Carrier.
Looking at the images on Verizon, it doesn't appear to have any Verizon markings.
Anyone have any idea if the carriers are going to bother with hacks like for example like Verizon did on the GN2 (removed a bunch of functions and hardware modifications).
I'm on Verizon now but leaning on moving to another carrier if the Verizon "version" has been crippled again. I'm also leaning on a non-contract purchase since I think the various plans are going to be in flux over the next year.

krelvinaz said:
Looking at the images on Verizon, it doesn't appear to have any Verizon markings.
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You didn't think you'd escape, did you?
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Galaxy+...uId=1951103&st=note3&cp=1&lp=3&contract_desc=
As for changes, VZW really did a hack job on the N2 s/w wise. I haven't followed their SGS4 to see if it followed in the N2's footsteps. I'm getting the AT&T N3 which will be my first carrier phone in over two years. If I can find an international LTE version that supports their bands (EU and Latin America don't so far) my AT&T N3 will be on eBay. I don't care what the carriers add, it can be disabled and with 32GB of RAM it's not that big a deal. I'm just afraid of them screwing around with some of the international functionality for no good reason. That and potentially waiting a lifetime between updates. You CDMA guys (Sprint and VZW) don't really have much choice other than to take what's doled out. So far the same applies to getting LTE on T-Mobile and AT&T.

will they get that ugly tramp stamp on the home button too?

BarryH_GEG said:
You didn't think you'd escape, did you?
As for changes, VZW really did a hack job on the N2 s/w wise. I haven't followed their SGS4 to see if it followed in the N2's footsteps. I'm getting the AT&T N3 which will be my first carrier phone in over two years. If I can find an international LTE version that supports their bands (EU and Latin America don't so far) my AT&T N3 will be on eBay. I don't care what the carriers add, it can be disabled and with 32GB of RAM it's not that big a deal. I'm just afraid of them screwing around with some of the international functionality for no good reason. That and potentially waiting a lifetime between updates. You CDMA guys (Sprint and VZW) don't really have much choice other than to take what's doled out. So far the same applies to getting LTE on T-Mobile and AT&T.
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Those are just covers. Replace the cover and the marking is gone. Unlike many phones, the covers don't have antennas in them.
Specs from the phone:
GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz
UMTS: 850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz
Data: LTE Cat4 Downlink 150 Mbit/s, LTE Cat3/4 Uplink 50 Mbit/s, HSDPA+ (4G) 42.2 Mbit/s, HSUPA 5.76 Mbit/s, UMTS, EDGE, GPRS
Showing radio coverage of all the carriers.. which is why I am asking.

BarryH_GEG said:
I haven't followed their SGS4 to see if it followed in the N2's footsteps.
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They didn't change any thing hardware wise on the VZN S4 just software
BarryH_GEG said:
You CDMA guys (Sprint and VZW) don't really have much choice other than to take what's doled out. So far the same applies to getting LTE on T-Mobile and AT&T.
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Sad panda :crying:

krelvinaz said:
Those are just covers. Replace the cover and the marking is gone. Unlike many phones, the covers don't have antennas in them.
Specs from the phone:
GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz
UMTS: 850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz
Data: LTE Cat4 Downlink 150 Mbit/s, LTE Cat3/4 Uplink 50 Mbit/s, HSDPA+ (4G) 42.2 Mbit/s, HSUPA 5.76 Mbit/s, UMTS, EDGE, GPRS
Showing radio coverage of all the carriers.. which is why I am asking.
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Here's AT&T
Here's the UK, LTE bands aren't identified on Samsung, Clove, or Handtec's sites
Here's the EU and LTA from Negri
So AT&T dropped 900MHz UMTS for some reason and is only using 4 LTE bands when the N3's radio supports 6. The EU versions of the S-800 N3 would work fine in the U.S. on 2/3G but not LTE and only VZW branded phones work on their CDMA network. I don't know what question you're really asking as VZW's radio is going to be different from those identified so far because it's CDMA/GSM (for LTE) and will have VZW's LTE bands making it "non-standard" to anything else out there. Same thing for AT&T's. There's some 900MHz frequency in Europe, LATAM, Asia, and Australia so I have no idea why AT&T would omit 900MHz and limit their customer’s roaming options (or the ability to use their N3 unlocked with another carrier's SIM) in those markets. With Sprint being CDMA/LTE like VZW and on their own LTE frequencies and T-Mobile still depending on 1700MHz in most markets no U.S. N3 will be “pure” from a radio perspective; at least not compared to what Samsung ships "stock" everywhere else in the world.

Info from VZW Phone they are selling...
CDMA Data – 1x and EVDO Rev0/RevA
LTE: B13 (700MHz)
Global Ready (GSM/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900; HSPA/UMTS: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz)
When Looking at the pre-purchase page, it asks an interesting question.
Do you want to use this phone Internationally?
wonder if that means they have to unlock it for you to do so?

Wireless charging
krelvinaz said:
Kind of curious...
The GN3 appears to support the frequencies of the various carriers included. Perhaps making the device portable from Carrier to Carrier.
Looking at the images on Verizon, it doesn't appear to have any Verizon markings.
Anyone have any idea if the carriers are going to bother with hacks like for example like Verizon did on the GN2 (removed a bunch of functions and hardware modifications).
I'm on Verizon now but leaning on moving to another carrier if the Verizon "version" has been crippled again. I'm also leaning on a non-contract purchase since I think the various plans are going to be in flux over the next year.
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Yeah I am on Verizon as well and really wondering are they going to block the wireless charging again? Any one know? The branding does not really bother me I would do same if it was my company.
Thinking of putting my note II on ebay and picking up the III. Think there are users out there that would love a rooted Jedi x free wifi tethering phone but that just might be because I love it so much.

VZW International Option
krelvinaz said:
Info from VZW Phone they are selling...
CDMA Data – 1x and EVDO Rev0/RevA
LTE: B13 (700MHz)
Global Ready (GSM/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900; HSPA/UMTS: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz)
When Looking at the pre-purchase page, it asks an interesting question.
Do you want to use this phone Internationally?
wonder if that means they have to unlock it for you to do so?
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If you check the box when ordering you will be given a choice of which international plan you want to subscribe to. This can be added later, if you don't want to incur the cost upon activation.

Are the Specs for the note 3 On Sprints network released yet?

I plan to get a note 3 with umts 900 from any carrier that supports it.
I hate that At&T always remove that.
Seems like the verizon version will be unlocked.
I might get that and replace the back.

LTE and HSPA Frequencies for the AT&T and T-Mobile Variant
http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/11/samsung-galaxy-note-3-reaches-the-fcc-in-att-and-sprint-forms/
Provides links to the FCC site for GN3 versions for AT&T/T-Mobile, Sprint and Verizon. This post is regarding supported frequencies. I focus only on the AT&T/T-Mobile model.
The hyperlink SM-N900T goes to the shared model for AT&T and T-Mobile at the FCC. The relevant document is the one called Test Report. Page 6 is where the supported frequencies are listed. For HSPA (WCDMA), it's 850, 1700/2100 and 1900 MHz. For LTE, it's 700 (the AT&T type 700, not Verizon's band), 850, 1700/2100 and 1900.
Apparently, the N900T is used by both carriers despite AT&T and T-Mobile websites giving conflicting specs. For example, T-Mobile's site http://www.t-mobile.com/cell-phones/samsung-galaxy-note-3.html doesn't even specify the LTE frequency (scroll down to Specifications/International). But you can see from the Test Report to the FCC what they are. AT&T website doesn't even list AWS 1700/2100 presumably for business reasons but it is technically supported.
The hyperlink SM-N900W8 on that Engadget page is for Bluetooth. Ignore it.
There you go...the AT&T and T-Mobile models are interchangeable.
A cursory look at the Test Reports for the Sprint and Version models demonstrate exactly what is already known or expected.

StarTAC Fan said:
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There you go...the AT&T and T-Mobile models are interchangeable....
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Until you realized you need wifi calling because you can't get any service with T-Mobile

This is to follow up on my post yesterday.
In the links to the FCC filings, the documents called "Test Report" lists the following bands and frequencies. It's either on the first page or in the section called EUT Description of the relevant document for each of the carriers.
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...ame=N&application_id=736794&fcc_id=A3LSMN900A
AT&T version (SM-N900A) supports the following (GSM omitted).
WCDMA Band 2 1900 MHz (tx and rx)
WCDMA Band 5 850 MHz (tx and rx)
LTE Band 2 1900 MHz (tx and rx)
LTE Band 4 1700/2100 MHz (tx/rx)
LTE Band 5 850 MHz (tx and rx)
LTE Band 17 700 MHz (tx and rx) This is of course different that Verizon's 700 MHz band.
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...ame=N&application_id=134996&fcc_id=A3LSMN900P
Sprint version (SM-N900P) supports the following (GSM/CDMA omitted).
WCDMA Band 2 1900 MHz (tx and rx)
WCDMA Band 5 850 MHz (tx and rx)
LTE Band 25 1900 MHz (tx and rx)
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...ame=N&application_id=566535&fcc_id=A3LSMN900T
T-Mobile vesion (SM-N900T) supports the following (GSM omitted).
WCDMA Band 2 1900 MHz (tx and rx)
WCDMA Band 4 1700/2100 MHz (tx/rx)
WCDMA Band 5 850 MHz (tx and rx)
LTE Band 2 1900 MHz (tx and rx)
LTE Band 4 1700/2100 MHz (tx/rx)
LTE Band 5 850 MHz (tx and rx)
LTE Band 17 700 MHz (tx and rx) Note this is also the band for AT&T but not Verizon which is band 13 700 MHz.
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...ame=N&application_id=956586&fcc_id=A3LSMN900V
Verizon version (SM-N900V) supports the following (GSM/CDMA omitted).
WCDMA Band 2 1900 MHz (tx and rx)
WCDMA Band 5 850 MHz (tx and rx)
LTE Band 4 1700/2100 MHz (tx/rx)
LTE Band 13 700 MHz (tx and rx) This is of course different that AT&T's 700 MHz band.

StarTAC Fan said:
In the links to the FCC filings, the documents called "Test Report" lists the following bands and frequencies. It's either on the first page or in the section called EUT Description of the relevant document for each of the carriers.
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...ame=N&application_id=736794&fcc_id=A3LSMN900A
AT&T version (SM-N900A) supports the following (GSM omitted).
WCDMA Band 2 1900 MHz (tx and rx)
WCDMA Band 5 850 MHz (tx and rx)
LTE Band 2 1900 MHz (tx and rx)
LTE Band 4 1700/2100 MHz (tx/rx)
LTE Band 5 850 MHz (tx and rx)
LTE Band 17 700 MHz (tx and rx) This is of course different that Verizon's 700 MHz band.
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...ame=N&application_id=134996&fcc_id=A3LSMN900P
Sprint version (SM-N900P) supports the following (GSM/CDMA omitted).
WCDMA Band 2 1900 MHz (tx and rx)
WCDMA Band 5 850 MHz (tx and rx)
LTE Band 25 1900 MHz (tx and rx)
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...ame=N&application_id=566535&fcc_id=A3LSMN900T
T-Mobile vesion (SM-N900T) supports the following (GSM omitted).
WCDMA Band 2 1900 MHz (tx and rx)
WCDMA Band 4 1700/2100 MHz (tx/rx)
WCDMA Band 5 850 MHz (tx and rx)
LTE Band 2 1900 MHz (tx and rx)
LTE Band 4 1700/2100 MHz (tx/rx)
LTE Band 5 850 MHz (tx and rx)
LTE Band 17 700 MHz (tx and rx) Note this is also the band for AT&T but not Verizon which is band 13 700 MHz.
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...ame=N&application_id=956586&fcc_id=A3LSMN900V
Verizon version (SM-N900V) supports the following (GSM/CDMA omitted).
WCDMA Band 2 1900 MHz (tx and rx)
WCDMA Band 5 850 MHz (tx and rx)
LTE Band 4 1700/2100 MHz (tx/rx)
LTE Band 13 700 MHz (tx and rx) This is of course different that AT&T's 700 MHz band.
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Looks like the T-mo version is leading the way as far as supported GSM bands is concerned. in addition, T-mo does not have a history of locking it's bootloaders. Getting the T-mo version and unlocking it to use ATT. (If the nexus 5 underwhelms)

With all the above said... It seems that TMO note 3 is the way to go..... Even with a At&t sim...... Do we know if it is unlocked ? Or will it need to be....... ??
rooted,recovered,and rebooted from the ol' i777.......

Just wondering if anyone out there has ordered the TMO note 3 from Negri electronics that will be using a at&t sim?? It says on their site that its unlocked......
rooted,recovered,and rebooted from the ol' i777.......

sk8ordie0 said:
Just wondering if anyone out there has ordered the TMO note 3 from Negri electronics that will be using a at&t sim?? It says on their site that its unlocked......
rooted,recovered,and rebooted from the ol' i777.......
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I am strongly tempted to do just that. I'm so frieken stuck between this and the z1 though. IDK what to do!!! Halp!

sk8ordie0 said:
Just wondering if anyone out there has ordered the TMO note 3 from Negri electronics that will be using a at&t sim?? It says on their site that its unlocked......
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Yup, ordered on the 17th.

Ok means if i buy the Note 3 for T-Mo unlock from negri i can use without any problems with AT&T using LTE,HSPA,3G or phone calls?

Nexus 6p Global and American Edition ?

Per site http://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_nexus_6p-7588.php. I was looking at the supported bands for the nexus 6p. It's said there is an American and Global verison. Is this true ? If so, is the google play store selling the american version? The american version is selling the one that has 1700 band. Which only t-mobile uses

I presume if you order the phone from US store you will get the US version... I live in Canada and ordered the phone from US to get the free $50 Google Play card.

I believe so. Also the USA version actually has way more LTE bands than the International version AFAIK

slickromeo said:
I believe so. Also the USA version actually has way more LTE bands than the International version AFAIK
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Try to repeat that again in your head.
And think "Why would the NA version have more bands than the Int. version?".
So no, the Int. version has waaaay more bands than the NA version.

Lafenear said:
Try to repeat that again in your head.
And think "Why would the NA version have more bands than the Int. version?".
So no, the Int. version has waaaay more bands than the NA version.
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Model XT1103 (Americas): CDMA band class: 0/1/10
WCDMA bands: 1/2/4/5/8
LTE bands: 2/3/4/5/7/12/13/17/25/26/29/41 (12 LTE BANDS TOTAL)
CA DL bands: B2-B13, B2-B17, B2-29, B4-B5, B4-B13, B4-B17, B4-B29
Model XT1100 (International):
WCDMA bands: 1/2/4/5/6/8/9/19
LTE bands: 1/3/5/7/8/9/19/20/28/41 (10 LTE BANDS TOTAL)
CA DL bands: B3-B5, B3-B8
the USA Version... also supports some LTE bands unique to the US (Sprint & Verizon, mostly).
the USA Version also supports CDMA radios specific to the U.S.

2G bands GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 - all models
CDMA 800 / 1900 - all models
3G bands HSDPA 800 / 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1800 / 1900 / 2100 - Global model
HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 - American model
4G bands
LTE band 1(2100), 2(1900), 3(1800), 4(1700/2100), 5(850), 7(2600), 8(900), 9(1800), 17(700), 19(800), 20(800), 28(700), 38(2600), 39(1900), 40(2300), 41(2500) - Global model
LTE band 2(1900), 3(1800), 4(1700/2100), 5(850), 7(2600), 12(700), 13(700), 17(700), 25(1900), 26(850), 29(700), 30(2300), 41(2500) - American model

I believe it doesnt matter.
I live in Israel, I have ordered from the US Store.
We have the 850/2100 3G bands
and bands 3,7 for 4G

Hi. Does anyone know if the American version works with Vodafone UK 4g? I had 4g reception only at a Vodafone store (they've got a signal boost), nowhere else can't get 4g...

This may sound dumb but, can I somehow make the 6P American model to work on band 38(2600) INTL?

iuli02 said:
This may sound dumb but, can I somehow make the 6P American model to work on band 38(2600) INTL?
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No. If the hardware doesn't support a specific band, then there's no way to make it work.

there are no difference, just use US version if you're in US. If you're outside, any version will be OK.

I used my US Nexus 6P while in Dubai and I had LTE. I think you should just get the US Version if you live in the US especially if you want to use Project Fi so that the phone can connect to the sprint and T-Mobile networks properly.
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olegfusion said:
there are no difference, just use US version if you're in US. If you're outside, any version will be OK.
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How about the other way around? I have the possibility to get an US version while visiting the States, but then I'll be back in Europe and the US version doesn't have the 20LTE band, which is the most common in EU. I'm worried it'll have an impact in the LTE reception and speed. Anyone uses an US version in Eu? How is it? I see there was another person in the UK asking the same bit got no definitive answer. Thanks,

Blah...... Go with the version that fits your carrier, common sense

slickromeo said:
Model XT1103 (Americas): CDMA band class: 0/1/10
WCDMA bands: 1/2/4/5/8
LTE bands: 2/3/4/5/7/12/13/17/25/26/29/41 (12 LTE BANDS TOTAL)
CA DL bands: B2-B13, B2-B17, B2-29, B4-B5, B4-B13, B4-B17, B4-B29
Model XT1100 (International):
WCDMA bands: 1/2/4/5/6/8/9/19
LTE bands: 1/3/5/7/8/9/19/20/28/41 (10 LTE BANDS TOTAL)
CA DL bands: B3-B5, B3-B8
the USA Version... also supports some LTE bands unique to the US (Sprint & Verizon, mostly).
the USA Version also supports CDMA radios specific to the U.S.
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Where are you getting these model numbers? The model number that comes on the 6P box is H1511 for North America & H1512 for International.

S7 Edge 935F edition - on AT&T

Bestbuy sells the international version of this phone and I am going to buy it unlocked. But before I do, I had a couple questions.
1. Does this support AT&T band 30? I tried to find the info but I cant seem to locate it
2. This is rootable and bootloader unlocked?
3. Do I need to do anything special as far as region unlocking since it is the international version?
Thanks!

I can't say anything regarding the band 30, region unlocking or AT&T, but I have the 935F edition unlocked and rooted with an custom ROM (Renovate EDGE 1.0) and it works perfect :good: .
But I'm from Germany, I don't now if there are some differences.

jackdown said:
I can't say anything regarding the band 30, region unlocking or AT&T, but I have the 935F edition unlocked and rooted with an custom ROM (Renovate EDGE 1.0) and it works perfect :good: .
But I'm from Germany, I don't now if there are some differences.
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I am sure the phone will work on AT&T, just need to know if the international version has band 30 GSM support (AT&Ts XLTE 700mhz band).

psufan5 said:
I am sure the phone will work on AT&T, just need to know if the international version has band 30 GSM support (AT&Ts XLTE 700mhz band).
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I'm not used to that numbers. But perhaps that information will help you:
gsmarena said:
Technology: GSM / HSPA / LTE
2G bands :GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 - SIM 1 & SIM 2 (dual-SIM model only)
3G bands: HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700(AWS) / 1900 / 2100 - G935F
TD-SCDMA
4G bands: LTE band 1(2100), 2(1900), 3(1800), 4(1700/2100), 5(850), 7(2600), 8(900), 12(700), 13(700), 17(700), 18(800), 19(800), 20(800), 25(1900), 26(850), 28(700), 38(2600), 39(1900), 40(2300), 41(2500) - G935F
Speed: HSPA 42.2/5.76 Mbps, LTE Cat9 450/50 Mbps
GPRS: Yes
EDGE: Yes
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I only see here some "700" at 4G/LTE bands. Is it that, what you are searching for?
Information taken from: http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s7_edge-7945.php

jackdown said:
I'm not used to that numbers. But perhaps that information will help you:
HTML:
Technology: GSM / HSPA / LTE
2G bands :GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 - SIM 1 & SIM 2 (dual-SIM model only)
3G bands: HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700(AWS) / 1900 / 2100 - G935F
TD-SCDMA
4G bands: LTE band 1(2100), 2(1900), 3(1800), 4(1700/2100), 5(850), 7(2600), 8(900), 12(700), 13(700), 17(700), 18(800), 19(800), 20(800), 25(1900), 26(850), 28(700), 38(2600), 39(1900), 40(2300), 41(2500) - G935F
Speed: HSPA 42.2/5.76 Mbps, LTE Cat9 450/50 Mbps
GPRS: Yes
EDGE: Yes
I only see here some "700" at 4G/LTE bands. Is it that, what you are searching for?
Information taken from: http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s7_edge-7945.php
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Doesnt look like 30 is on there... crap. Maybe its not their 700mhz, but a different band. Regardless they are rolling it out now so would be nice to see that band compatibility.
Band 30 is 2.3ghz, my fault.

Where does it show bestbuy sells the exynos version unlocked?

Shuthefrontdoor said:
Where does it show bestbuy sells the exynos version unlocked?
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I just checked their website and they do! But for $820 + tax. I only paid $700 so F that.
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ydenyse said:
I just checked their website and they do! But for $820 + tax. I only paid $700 so F that.
Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
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I got it from B&H instead.

How will i go about updating this phone? Will it receive updates from Samsung, or do I have to manually install them? Being that it isn't an AT&T phone etc.
Thanks

Redmi 3S - Global version vs Chinise

I have a question about hardware difference between Xiaomi Redmi 3S China version and the Global one.
I thought that the only difference is the EU-plug, but I noticed this item on aliexpress with LTE B20 (800MHz) support.
I asked the seller about it and the seller insists that all of that is true.
Can someone confirm or deny this situation?

zBear said:
I have a question about hardware difference between Xiaomi Redmi 3S China version and the Global one.
I thought that the only difference is the EU-plug, but I noticed this item on aliexpress with LTE B20 (800MHz) support.
I asked the seller about it and the seller insists that all of that is true.
Can someone confirm or deny this situation?
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i don't think that there is any hardware difference
it's one device
the one with global rom , i guess it has the adapter , google services (and play) and some chinese apps removed
if you see here (with google translate)
http://www.mi.com/hk/redmi3s/specs/
you see this table
4G FDD B1/3/4/5/7/8/20
4G TDD B41
3G WCDMA B 1/2/5/8
2G GSM
B 2/3/5/8

kodorevi8ulis said:
if you see here (with google translate)
http://www.mi.com/hk/redmi3s/specs/
you see this table
4G FDD B1/3/4/5/7/8/20
4G TDD B41
3G WCDMA B 1/2/5/8
2G GSM
B 2/3/5/8
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but here you can find another information
4G FDD-LTE B3/B5 TDD-LTE B40
3G WCDMA 900MHz / 2100MHz
2G GSM 900MHz / 1800MHz
you think the software limits the LTE bands?

zBear said:
but here you can find another information
4G FDD-LTE B3/B5 TDD-LTE B40
3G WCDMA 900MHz / 2100MHz
2G GSM 900MHz / 1800MHz
you think the software limits the LTE bands?
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well the only think that i am sure is that as an european is difficult to find the "india" version
(because i know -and can buy from - only chinese stores)
also 2 band for lte is weird so i guess it's just a rom limitation or just incomplete list of specs (because it doesn't matter for India the other bands)
p.s. i don't see roms only for india , i only see china and global roms

Their hardwares should be same.

Charger different
China version don't have Google Play service+bandwidth those stuffs should be different?

so... any more infos about the 800MHz FDD-LTE support ?
anyone tried to unlock the bootloader on a chinese version and flashing a xiaomi.eu multilang rom to see if B20/800 is available ?

This is of great interest to me too. I want to buy two Redmi 3s's, but need B20 as well. If it's as easy as flashing the global/international ROM, it would save me lots of $$. Has anyone tried this and succeeded using B20 on a Chinese 3s?

I bought the international version of Redmi 3s, and the B20/800 is working! Also arrived with official global ROM

Aleks93ts said:
I bought the international version of Redmi 3s, and the B20/800 is working! Also arrived with official global ROM
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of course it works, that's the point of the international version

No it's impossible to enable. The only way is to buy the int. version

If anyone is still interested, I found 3 models of R3S
1. 2016030
Chinese version . Chinese factory ROM, manuals, box and plug.
Most common version on aliexpress.
2016030 frequencies
GSM 850, GSM 900, GSM 1800, GSM1900
UMTS 2100 (B1), UMTS 1900 (B2), UMTS 850 (B5), UMTS 900 (B8)
TD-SCDMA TD-SCDMA 2000 (B34), TD-SCDMA 1900 (B39)
FDD-LTE 2100 (B1), FDD-LTE 1800 (B3), FDD-LTE 2600 (B7)
TD-LTE 2600 (B38), TD-LTE 1900 (B39), TD-LTE 2300 (B40), TD-LTE 2500 (B41)
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2. 2016031
International version with factory global ROM, english manual, box and EU plug
2016031 frequencies
GSM 850, GSM 900, GSM 1800, GSM 1900
UMTS 2100 (B1), UMTS 1900 (B2), UMTS 850 (B5), UMTS 900 (B8)
FDD-LTE 2100 (B1), FDD-LTE 1800 (B3), FDD-LTE 1700/2100 (B4), FDD-LTE 850 (B5), FDD-LTE 2600 (B7), FDD-LTE 900 (B8), FDD-LTE 800 (B20)
TD-LTE 2500 (B41)
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3. 2016032
Indian version.
2016032 frequencies
GSM 900, GSM 1800
UMTS 2100 (B1), UMTS 900 (B8)
FDD-LTE 1800 (B3), FDD-LTE 850 (B5)
TD-LTE 2300 (B40)
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Hi
Thanks for the listing of the models.
How do I know which model I have?
Model 2016030: Critical bands missing: FDD-LTE 900 (B8), FDD-LTE 800 (B20)
Model 2016031: No missing bands
Model 2016032: Critical bands missing: UMTS 850 (B5), LTE 900 (B8), 800 (B20)
Redmi 3S Gold
Android 6.0.1 MMB29M
MIUI Global 8.1.1.0
RAM 3GB
MEM 32 GB
Baseband ENNS_PACK-1.69259.1.69863.2-V036
Kernel 3.18.20-ge45c102

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How do I know which model I have?
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No. There's should not be and hardware differences until it comes to Mobile Broadband frequencies, but i think this is software dependent. As you flash Global or Chinese you choose frequencies probably. I use Global Stable with Root and some tools and it's just fine.

JakeCherry97 said:
As you flash Global or Chinese you choose frequencies probably
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no, it's not working this way
I've seen some development attempts regarding enabling missing channels, but with no success

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Thank you!
So I have 2016031. If the information I provided above is correct, that means I have all necessary bands for Europe.
The problem is I found different information here:
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Xiaomi: https://xiaomi.eu/community/threads/redmi-3s-with-lte-b20-800mhz.33957/
2016030 is 32gb version
2016031 is 16gb version
Both without b20
https://www.frequencycheck.com/mode...i-3s-4g-redmi-3s-dual-sim-td-lte-32gb-2016030
https://www.frequencycheck.com/mode...i-3s-4g-redmi-3s-dual-sim-td-lte-16gb-2016031
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2016031 is 16gb version THIS IS STRANGE RIGHT, I HAVE 32GB VERSION and it is model 2016031
What is correct?
I have model 2016031 with 32Gb - do I have LTE B20 (800) and LTE B8 (900) or not?
I hope someone knows?

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I have model 2016031 with 32Gb - do I have LTE B20 (800) and LTE B8 (900) or not?
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Yes, you do.
I have the same model and ROM capacity.
Look at my october post, you can find there links to official Xiaomi pages with the band availability information.
There is no information about model numbers there, but it was confirmed by many users.

Thank you for your help!
I see indeed all the bands under specifications.
I am very happy.

Project to buy an unlocked Z Force for France

Hi !
I am on free mobile French Operator, I read this:
https://www.frequencycheck.com/carr...QTjD/motorola-moto-z-force-td-lte/free-france
It seems that it would worked with free mobile.
I found this:
http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Motorola-Mot...hash=item3f772e5650:m:moWTsoHkQzRtFhjmd3HjpXg
What will be the probably annoyances after buy this phone for France? Update problems? Software problems? Sim card problem ? Any?
Thank in advance for replies and advice
edit:
link for free mobile compatibily

I bought one for me in Canada and everything works fine even if your website tell that it ain't supposed to
Good luck for yours

bob_the_vampire said:
I bought one for me in Canada and everything works fine even if your website tell that it ain't supposed to
Good luck for yours
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Thanks for your reply, I suppose and I hope it will work for me too..
Do you receive OTA updates normally?

Yes, even after a month of test I didn't find anything causing problem
The only thing I had to change is the SMS/MMS app because the stock one don't work on standard MMS network

Very good news ! I use mood for sms/mms so not a problem for me.. I will probably buy this phone in few days.
Thank you again for your quick replies ?

Im in Uk and all works fine. No problems at all and dont need to change mms/sms app. Only one thing Im missing is wifi call. I cant enable it because option is not available in menu with UK sim.
Sent from my XT1650 using XDA-Developers Legacy app

Thanks for the reply
I receive mine soon

Canada as mentionned works fine... The only issue I see with France is LTE bands. Are yours supported? Check the LTE bands with your operator and what the Z-Force supports, otherwise you might be stuck with 3G only (Which has all bands)

karendar said:
Canada as mentionned works fine... The only issue I see with France is LTE bands. Are yours supported? Check the LTE bands with your operator and what the Z-Force supports, otherwise you might be stuck with 3G only (Which has all bands)
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My operator supports lte 2600 and soon 700 MHz (2018), I have read that all bands was supported by the "unlocked" verizon phone, am I wrong?
What I saw, unlocked=global?
Technology: GSM / CDMA / HSPA / EVDO / LTE
2G bands: GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 - SIM 1 & SIM 2 (dual-SIM model only)
CDMA 800 / 1900 - USA
3G bands HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 - USA
CDMA2000 1xEV-DO - USA
HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 - Global
4G bands LTE band 1(2100), 2(1900), 3(1800), 4(1700/2100), 5(850), 7(2600), 13(700) - USA
LTE band 1(2100), 2(1900), 3(1800), 4(1700/2100), 5(850), 7(2600), 8(900), 12(700), 17(700), 19(800), 20(800), 25(1900), 28(700), 38(2600), 40(2300), 41(2500) - Global
Speed HSPA 42.2/5.76 Mbps, LTE-A (3CA) Cat9 450/50 Mbps, EV-DO Rev.A 3.1 Mbps - USA
HSPA 42.2/5.76 Mbps, LTE-A (2CA) Cat6 300/50 Mbps - Global

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My operator supports lte 2600 and soon 700 MHz (2018), I have read that all bands was supported by the "unlocked" verizon phone, am I wrong?
What I saw, unlocked=global?
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Z-Force droid is a verizon branded and exclusive phone... Was never released anywhere else from what I was told, so you'll have USA bands. You're supported for LTE, as B7 (2600) and B13 (700) tough. The Global version of the Moto Z (Non-Droid) would have global bands.
Verizon screwed people and moto over badly by making this phone an exclusive. Moto Z Force should have been the flagship Moto, not the Moto Z or the Z play...
Reference post from Lenovo forums: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Moto-Z-Force/Moto-Z-Force-global-release/td-p/3430067

karendar said:
Z-Force droid is a verizon branded and exclusive phone... Was never released anywhere else from what I was told, so you'll have USA bands. You're supported for LTE, as B7 (2600) and B13 (700) is supported. The Global version of the Moto Z (Non-Droid) would have global bands.
Verizon screwed people and moto over badly by making this phone an exclusive. Moto Z Force should have been the flagship Moto, not the Moto Z or the Z play...
Reference post from Lenovo forums: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Moto-Z-Force/Moto-Z-Force-global-release/td-p/3430067
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So I am glad to hear that the French operator "free mobile" is totally compatible with unlocked verizon USA bands, and it will good to know it for future smartphone bought in USA, because it's a good deal (at least 100€ off with Europe, z force at the price of z play...) to buy flagship in USA

Just so you know, if you want to get a replacement shattershield, you'll have to order it from Moto and have to have a US shipping address... I can't get one shipped to Canada, sadly.

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Just so you know, if you want to get a replacement shattershield, you'll have to order it from Moto and have to have a US shipping address... I can't get one shipped to Canada, sadly.
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Somebody in moto z forum has given a good way with a web site: :good:
https://www.shipito.com/fr/?countrycode=CA

fabjazz said:
Somebody in moto z forum has given a good way with a web site: :good:
https://www.shipito.com/fr/?countrycode=CA
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Yeah, I know shipito, I've supplied it to a few people in the forums Only issue is it becomes expensive for a 30$ screen replacement. I have friends in the US who can forward the package to me... So that'll be sufficient I think! Thanks though

karendar said:
Yeah, I know shipito, I've supplied it to a few people in the forums Only issue is it becomes expensive for a 30$ screen replacement. I have friends in the US who can forward the package to me... So that'll be sufficient I think! Thanks though
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too late for me, I discovered that after bought the phone and accessories , it will be good for next time....

After reading some forum in France, there are a lot of Bxx with 700Mhz support in the world.
For France, LTE/4G is B3, B7, B20 and B28 so it will miss 700Mhz and 800Mhz with a verizon phone.
carriers support LTE/4G, B28 begin in 2018:
Bouygues Telecom: B3 B7 B20
Orange: B7 B20
Free mobile: B7 B3
SFR: B7 B20
For the rest 2G and 3G(+) are fully compatible.
B1 - 2100Mhz
B2 - (1900 PCS)
B3 - (1800 + )
B4 - (1700/2100 AWS 1)
B5 - 850Mhz
B6 - ???
B7 - 2600 Mhz
B8 - 900 Mhz
B9 - 1800 Mhz
B11 - 1500 Lower
B12 700 ac
B13 - 700 c
B17 - 700 bc
B18 - (800 Lower)
B19 - (800 Upper)
B20 - (800 DD)
B21 - (1500 Upper)
B25 - (1900 +)
B26 - (850 +)
B28 - 700 APT
B30 - 2300 WCS
B38 (TD 2600)
B39 - TD 1900+
B40 - TD 2300
B41 - TD 2500