Hello, I have bought an used Samsung Galaxy J5 2016 locked to Vodafone and after booting up my device, I've noticed that its locked and I need the Google account from the previous user, thing is I've tried contacting the user many times and he hasn't replied.
So I wasted money in vain, is there anyway to remove this? I've tried the OTG method and even flashing TWRP thro Odin but to no avail, what else can I do :crying:
Yepi69 said:
Hello, I have bought an used Samsung Galaxy J5 2016 locked to Vodafone and after booting up my device, I've noticed that its locked and I need the Google account from the previous user, thing is I've tried contacting the user many times and he hasn't replied.
So I wasted money in vain, is there anyway to remove this? I've tried the OTG method and even flashing TWRP thro Odin but to no avail, what else can I do :crying:
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Yes flash twrp wipe everything but USB otg and then reflsh stock !
infixremix said:
Yes flash twrp wipe everything but USB otg and then reflsh stock !
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I wish it was that simple, TWRP doesn't flash.
Yepi69 said:
I wish it was that simple, TWRP doesn't flash.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlmLSd1lINU
infixremix said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlmLSd1lINU
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Already got into the settings and resetted the phone, after booting it up, it goes back to the same.
Solved, had to install a custom version of Google Account Manager and use FRP Bypass to be able to sign with my account and reset the device.
Yepi69 said:
Solved, had to install a custom version of Google Account Manager and use FRP Bypass to be able to sign with my account and reset the device.
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Good I'm glad bro
Yepi69 said:
Hello, I have bought an used Samsung Galaxy J5 2016 locked to Vodafone and after booting up my device, I've noticed that its locked and I need the Google account from the previous user, thing is I've tried contacting the user many times and he hasn't replied.
So I wasted money in vain, is there anyway to remove this? I've tried the OTG method and even flashing TWRP thro Odin but to no avail, what else can I do :crying:
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Two things,
1- you bought a stolen phone
2- The person who sold you did not know that the new phones have an iPhone type security system
Possible solutions
Ask the person who sold you to unlock it
Use a box, Z3X, Medusa, octopus, etc. etc.
Related
Hello, friends.
I bought an Umi Super from someone, but when i try to open it, i get stuck at providing google account. The guy from who i bought it forget the password of the old Google Account. Is there a method to bypass the FRP? I know that in Android 5 it's easy to bypass this, but at Umi Super with Android 6 i don't know how to do it. Plase, help me.
Thank youl all in advance for your responses.
Boot to recovery and wipe everything, or make a reset factory data .....
Enviado do meu SHIELD Tablet K1 através de Tapatalk
bodyjoao said:
Boot to recovery and wipe everything, or make a reset factory data .....
Enviado do meu SHIELD Tablet K1 através de Tapatalk
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Thank you for your response, but i've already tried and also keep asking me the old account that i don't know the password.
Hello is it mtk?
asadnow2k said:
Hello is it mtk?
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MediaTek Helio P10
well send me teamviewer id and pass via pm i can try to get it done remotely
asadnow2k said:
well send me teamviewer id and pass via pm i can try to get it done remotely
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Sorry, but i can't do that. I'll appreciate if someone can help me here with a small tutorial or a private message. Thank you for understanding.
Man, go to recovery and make wipe everything, to make the system like knew, its the only way .....recover the sistem to ....
Enviado do meu SHIELD Tablet K1 através de Tapatalk
bodyjoao said:
Man, go to recovery and make wipe everything, to make the system like knew, its the only way .....recover the sistem to ....
Enviado do meu SHIELD Tablet K1 através de Tapatalk
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I wiped everything, except the system. It didn't help. What security solution will be FRP if you can go to recovery , wipe everything and all will be like new?? Any other solutions?
Wise.Guy said:
I wiped everything, except the system. It didn't help. What security solution will be FRP if you can go to recovery , wipe everything and all will be like new?? Any other solutions?
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Well, that's the risk of having custom recovery. I guess you need to have completely clean system and to do that download full ROM (preferably most recent one from UMI official website) and flash it via SPFT.
washoq said:
Well, that's the risk of having custom recovery. I guess you need to have completely clean system and to do that download full ROM (preferably most recent one from UMI official website) and flash it via SPFT.
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No, it's not custom recovery, the phone isn't rooted. I haven't tried yet to flash official rom via SPFT because i want to know for sure if this method solve my problem.
Wise.Guy said:
No, it's not custom recovery, the phone isn't rooted. I haven't tried yet to flash official rom via SPFT because i want to know for sure if this method solve my problem.
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Flash the latest stock rom with SP Flashtool and it will solve your problem. It will restore the recovery to stock recovery and the phone will be like new. This is your only option in this situation you found yourself in. Now please close this thread as this matter now is solved.
Creedo4Life said:
Flash the latest stock rom with SP Flashtool and it will solve your problem. It will restore the recovery to stock recovery and the phone will be like new. This is your only option in this situation you found yourself in. Now please close this thread as this matter now is solved.
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I repeat, i have stock recovery, the phone isn't rooted. I'm afraid that after flashing an official rom the FRP will still be present and it will still ask me for the old account's details.
Wise.Guy said:
I repeat, i have stock recovery, the phone isn't rooted. I'm afraid that after flashing an official rom the FRP will still be present and it will still ask me for the old account's details.
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The FRP will be wiped when you flash the stock rom. Regardless if you have stock / custom of anything. Mate, you do as you see fit.
Creedo4Life said:
The FRP will be wiped when you flash the stock rom. Regardless if you have stock / custom of anything. Mate, you do as you see fit.
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did you solved it ?
hi
i have the same FRP problem
i try all stock firmware (downloaded Umi Forum) and factory recovery full data clear, and nothing, still ask me for old google account
i try another method on youtube umi hammer frp remove but it show to activate developer mode, i try many times click on options info menu, but still system not unlocking, not show developer mode menu
for all another phone unlock dev mode is no problem, first time i see on umi super is not possible
any idea ?
Hi
I found a way to save Umi Super if you lost google account name, password.
All the methods described on the web have failed, I'm nervous reading various nonsense.
Umi Super its very hard to reset FRP without hardware programer...... but i worked on it for 20 hours and..... succes
Only method (very dangerous) is full format and flash new firmware (20161121_c239v55_kw_u1) with SPFT. You lost imei (must backup it before format or write to save place, photo etc.).
Now flash TWRP, reboot to new recovery, root (install SuperSU) and restore imei (with another software), run official (OTA) 2 new update and .... You have 100% working phone with New pure official Umi Android 7
sorry if my post not clear or poor English
any question please write to me
EDIT: I have successfully used this on the latest officiall Android 7 (Nougat) release. Don't know about others.
Hi, it is possible to bypass like this (you need some knowledge of adb, but it's not so hard to acquire):
1. Follow these steps to enable usb debugging on your phone:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=66731042&postcount=260
2. boot phone, connect usb
3. on computer run this command in terminal that has adb:
"adb shell am start -n com.google.android.gsf.login/.LoginActivity"
4. three dot menu > browser sign-in > login with any google account
5. reboot
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If you cannot enable usb debugging you can also use the BypassFRP.apk from this link (don't follow the other instructions, just use the app). It does the same thing as step 3 above.
https://albviral.com/how-to-bypass-...-2016-on-all-android-devices-easy-method-440/
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I am on mobile, if you need better explanation, let me know.
Wise.Guy said:
Hello, friends.
I bought an Umi Super from someone, but when i try to open it, i get stuck at providing google account. The guy from who i bought it forget the password of the old Google Account. Is there a method to bypass the FRP? I know that in Android 5 it's easy to bypass this, but at Umi Super with Android 6 i don't know how to do it. Plase, help me.
Thank youl all in advance for your responses.
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Have you gotten it fixed? If not... You selling your phone? Lol
Forgot to activate OEM-Unlock for Root. Phone Bricked: "Custom binary blocked by FRP"
Hello,
today i rooted my J5 (SM-J500FN) via Odin and CF-Auto-Root.
Everyting went well but after the root i unticked OEM-Lock (please dont ask me why i did it) and restarted my phone and this nice screen greeted me: "Custom binary blocked by FRP. SECURE FAIL: KERNEL"
So I tried everything I found on the Web and found nothing really helpful. Then i tried flashing the recovery and reflashing CF-Auto-Root but both got blocked in the Download Mode with the message "FRP Block".
Please can someone help me, i really hope i dont have to reset my phone because my google authenticator is stored on it, and it would be a real pain to write to the support of every account i connected to reset my Security Options.
Thanks, Toby
P.S: when i flash the boot.img does it wipe my device?
Toby9 said:
Hello,
today i rooted my J5 (SM-J500FN) via Odin and CF-Auto-Root.
Everyting went well but after the root i unticked OEM-Lock (please dont ask me why i did it) and restarted my phone and this nice screen greeted me: "Custom binary blocked by FRP. SECURE FAIL: KERNEL"
So I tried everything I found on the Web and found a few things like flashing the recovery. I tried reflashing CF-Auto-Root but both got blocked in the Download Mode with the message "FRP Block".
Please can someone help me, i really hope i dont have to reset my phone because my google authenticator is stored on it, and it would be a real pain to write to the support of every account i connected to reset my Security Options.
Thanks, Toby
P.S: when i flash the boot.img does it wipe my device?
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Just flash the stock firmware.
ashyx said:
Just flash the stock firmware.
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Doesn't it reset my phone?
I saw a video about it but after he started the phone the device setup greeted him...
Toby9 said:
Doesn't it reset my phone?
I saw a video about it but after he started the phone the device setup greeted him...
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It will reset it...
Try using Smart Switch from Samsung to backup you stuff and accounts. Maybe it will work. Using Smart Switch you can also easily reflash the latest Marshmallow firmware.
Amarius1 said:
It will reset it...
Try using Smart Switch from Samsung to backup you stuff and accounts. Maybe it will work. Using Smart Switch you can also easily reflash the latest Marshmallow firmware.
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And if i only flash the boot.img which is inside the firmware archive? would that be "save" to try?
Toby9 said:
And if i only flash the boot.img which is inside the firmware archive? would that be "save" to try?
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I don't know about that... Try asking someine more experienced.
I do know that even in Recovery mode the ROM locks you out and doesn't let you factory reset for example
Amarius1 said:
I don't know about that... Try asking someine more experienced.
I do know that even in Recovery mode the ROM locks you out and doesn't let you factory reset for example
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Ok thank you I just went for the boot.img flash and it worked! puh im relieved
Now you know that it does not reset.
I will write a guide to finally get rid of this stupid FRP error once and for all!
Toby9 said:
Ok thank you I just went for the boot.img flash and it worked! puh im relieved
Now you know that it does not reset.
I will write a guide to finally get rid of this stupid FRP error once and for all!
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Congrats! Had the sane problem last summer and I had to completely reset it...
(Btw why thank you? I didn"t do anything ???)
Toby9 said:
Ok thank you I just went for the boot.img flash and it worked! puh im relieved
Now you know that it does not reset.
I will write a guide to finally get rid of this stupid FRP error once and for all!
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I did a guide in past: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=68408932&postcount=65 . I'll add it to the new Q&A thread after I'll update that thread (when I'll have time).
Feel free to do a new guide.
Toby9 said:
Doesn't it reset my phone?
I saw a video about it but after he started the phone the device setup greeted him...
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No it does not. You are not affecting the data partition.
This would only happen if you flashed the factory repair firmware.
Thank you all. Here is my Guide: https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/general/complete-guide-to-rid-custom-binary-t3541403
It is generally for all (Samsung) Smarphones as i believe that it wont be any different.
Amarius1 said:
Congrats! Had the sane problem last summer and I had to completely reset it...
(Btw why thank you? I didn"t do anything )
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Im just glad it worked
Toby9 said:
Thank you all. Here is my Guide: https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/general/complete-guide-to-rid-custom-binary-t3541403
It is generally for all (Samsung) Smarphones as i believe that it wont be any different.
Im just glad it worked
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Happy for you ^^
When activating the oem unlock you can install Twrp, kernel or custom rom without the activation of FRP security that is activated when you establish a security pattern in the device
When the binary is blocked by the FRP you must install the factory firmware, then enter the recovery and do a factory reset since the FRP prevents external access to the system and data as prevention
You will be prompted for the email and password of the previously used account
Demicro said:
When activating the oem unlock you can install Twrp, kernel or custom rom without the activation of FRP security that is activated when you establish a security pattern in the device
When the binary is blocked by the FRP you must install the factory firmware, then enter the recovery and do a factory reset since the FRP prevents external access to the system and data as prevention
You will be prompted for the email and password of the previously used account
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You only need to enter your login details if you factory reset.
Flashing the stock firmware is enough to remove frp. No need to factory reset.
ashyx said:
You only need to enter your login details if you factory reset.
Flashing the stock firmware is enough to remove frp. No need to factory reset.
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This problem I had several months ago, I did not remember well. You are right ?
custom binary blockby frp lock on samsung j510gn
ashyx said:
Just flash the stock firmware.
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hi. i really need help with this. tried several times flashing stockrom using different versions of odin and trying out several firmwares. always result: FAIL. Its a company phone. I honestly didn't do anything with it. Went to bed, next day woke up with the phone off. when I turned it on, bam! custom binary message.
MoximuZ said:
hi. i really need help with this. tried several times flashing stockrom using different versions of odin and trying out several firmwares. always result: FAIL. Its a company phone. I honestly didn't do anything with it. Went to bed, next day woke up with the phone off. when I turned it on, bam! custom binary message.
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Can you send the logs u get from odin? Also make sure u got the correct model of stock rom for ur device.
I also have frp lock om my phone. It will not boot past maim boot screen. I cannot install twrp due to cuatom binary blocked error. Adb doesnt recognkze my phone either. Odin does, i installed the stock firmware and still will not reboot. Any suggestions or thoughts?? I havent tried to turn oem yet via android studio. Currently in the middle of that. Please help
ndiddy88 said:
I also have frp lock om my phone. It will not boot past maim boot screen. I cannot install twrp due to cuatom binary blocked error. Adb doesnt recognkze my phone either. Odin does, i installed the stock firmware and still will not reboot. Any suggestions or thoughts?? I havent tried to turn oem yet via android studio. Currently in the middle of that. Please help
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Which device? Don't you know your Google login details?
Iv searched and searched and tryed every different method I can think of.
Iv got a tab a sm-t580 that's got frp locked.
Iv tryed all the ways it says about downloading apps but can't access chrome at all from the setup screens.
OTG doesn't seem to work
Iv tryed flashing with Odin but it still comes up with the lock....
Anyone.... Help please before I just give in and have it as frisbee
Have you tried going into Developer Options and enabling OEM Unlock?
Did you flash your phone when it has been encrypted?
Did you try this? or this one
izumiizumi said:
Have you tried going into Developer Options and enabling OEM Unlock?
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Can't get into Dev settings to do this. I'm stuck at the setup screen
RichyE said:
Did you flash your phone when it has been encrypted?
Did you try this? or this one
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Yeah tryed the 2nd one but the option to access chrome is not there looks to have been disabled.
I did the 1st one but will try again with his firmware
so iv tryed sammobile for the firmware but get stuck in a loop asking me to sign up, which iv done, but whenever it comes to download it asks me again, and again.
Hey there everyone,
I wanted to root my s8 (sm-950f) and when I flashed twrp my phone initially got stuck in Samsung logo. After managing to shut it down I tried to go to recovery mode to wipe everything and perform a factory reset but I can not do it. All that happens is I get to s8 screen and it reads in red on top left of the screen "Only official released binaries are allowed to be flashed" and it keeps resetting itself. I can access download mode but that's it, I can't do anything else. Currently downloading a stock firmware to try and flash it but with the free downloads it's taking its time. Any help appreciated, I really want to unbrick my phone
note: It shows FRP and OEM lock to be off in download mode, i dont even know if i'll even be able to flash a new fw. Do I just have a very expensive brick in my hands now?
nekropok said:
Hey there everyone,
I wanted to root my s8 (sm-950f) and when I flashed twrp my phone initially got stuck in Samsung logo. After managing to shut it down I tried to go to recovery mode to wipe everything and perform a factory reset but I can not do it. All that happens is I get to s8 screen and it reads in red on top left of the screen "Only official released binaries are allowed to be flashed" and it keeps resetting itself. I can access download mode but that's it, I can't do anything else. Currently downloading a stock firmware to try and flash it but with the free downloads it's taking its time. Any help appreciated, I really want to unbrick my phone
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This must be a international S8... Did you activate oem unlock in developer settings before flashing twrp
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I'm not sure if it's international, it's most likely a Turkish version.
And yeah to your question
nekropok said:
I'm not sure if it's international, it's most likely a Turkish version.
And yeah to your question
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But you know for a fact that there's a twrp version for your device.... Not good to do these expensive phones like that without officially having all the facts
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Well it's too late for that now, I need actual solutions. I also tried smart switch - it doesn't recognize the phone
nekropok said:
Well it's too late for that now, I need actual solutions. I also tried smart switch - it doesn't recognize the phone
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On the xda thread for your device there aren't no stock roms uploaded to Android host for fast download so you can flash in Odin and start the process of twrp again or just leave it alone you have a S8 it's good money
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WHEW. Flashing a stock firmware seems to have fixed the issue. Mods can lock the thread.
nekropok said:
WHEW. Flashing a stock firmware seems to have fixed the issue. Mods can lock the thread.
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You going to give up on twrp
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I do want to root, but I don't want to approach it without knowing all my facts, do you have any suggestions for guides for Android 9.0?
nekropok said:
I do want to root, but I don't want to approach it without knowing all my facts, do you have any suggestions for guides for Android 9.0?
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Just look in your device forum everything Is there however your device is a international cause it ends in with the F so twrp does work for your device..... You just need to find the specific one for your model once you have twrp you can install a android 9 custom rom
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I had same issue as you and was pointed towards this thread may be of some use to you?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/sa...w-to/guide-root-install-twrp-samsung-t3747535
Problem on my S8
PoochyX said:
This must be a international S8... Did you activate oem unlock in developer settings before flashing twrp
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Sorry but I have a serious problem. I have activated oem and debug usb on developer option, but I can't install TWRP. I have tried with odin, prince cosmy odin, odin patched but FAIL everywhere, please help me, I just want twrp and i want to install a custom rom. thanks in advance everyone. If is a problem answer me here, you can send me a pvt message. I tried it from 3 days with the same FAILS :_(
I had this problem too a year ago but wasn't able to reflash the official firmware, but when I went to Samsung they fixed it for free even though Knox was already tripped
FabiusMod said:
Sorry but I have a serious problem. I have activated oem and debug usb on developer option, but I can't install TWRP. I have tried with odin, prince cosmy odin, odin patched but FAIL everywhere, please help me, I just want twrp and i want to install a custom rom. thanks in advance everyone. If is a problem answer me here, you can send me a pvt message. I tried it from 3 days with the same FAILS :_(
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are you able to flash the stock firmware on it and get it to boot without TWRP installed?
I am with a stock rom now, The device works fine.
Hello,
I'm a Newbie
How can i erase the FRP on my s7 edge ? nothing works on my s7 edge.
Is there possibility with odein or else ?
my simcard is broken so only with odin or other software
Can someone help me, thx a lot :good::good::good:
CrankyBoy^^ said:
Hello,
I'm a Newbie
How can i erase the FRP on my s7 edge ? nothing works on my s7 edge.
Is there possibility with odein or else ?
my simcard is broken so only with odin or other software
Can someone help me, thx a lot :good::good::good:
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hello "A Newbie", how goes it? LOLOL
welcome to the fray, we are all only here to learn, help, and/or both at the same time, so youre in a good place.
Anyways, did you do a factory reset and are now stuck with the FRP screen?
exactly, i do a factory reset and now I'm here
I'm searching for Help
CrankyBoy^^ said:
exactly, i do a factory reset and now I'm here
I'm searching for Help
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ok, get the firmware for your phone from sammobile.com but use samfirm or frija to download it, flash the firmware in Odin 9 time. yes, 9 times. try booting between flashes and itll go away by the 9th time. Not even kidding
9 time flashing. No chance. FRP lock is almost there.
Installed is G935FXXS6ESI4
What can i do ? Any Idea = Combination Firmware ?
Youdoofus said:
ok, get the firmware for your phone from sammobile.com but use samfirm or frija to download it, flash the firmware in Odin 9 time. yes, 9 times. try booting between flashes and itll go away by the 9th time. Not even kidding
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is this really working ?
bcs my sim tray is broken and have flickering screen on my phone and want other way to bypass FRP
p.p "try booting between flashes and itll go away by the 9th time" on each flash to boot and re-flash it ?
loonbg said:
is this really working ?
bcs my sim tray is broken and have flickering screen on my phone and want other way to bypass FRP
p.p "try booting between flashes and itll go away by the 9th time" on each flash to boot and re-flash it ?
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not anymore. there was a patch that fixed the bug that allowed this to occur. Sammy is always right on our tails. now you need the combination firmware, which you flash in Odin as well then follow it up with the stock firmware from sammobile since the combination FW isnt really bootable (it is, but its weird lol)
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not anymore. there was a patch that fixed the bug that allowed this to occur. Sammy is always right on our tails. now you need the combination firmware, which you flash in Odin as well then follow it up with the stock firmware from sammobile since the combination FW isnt really bootable (it is, but its weird lol)
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I flashed the combination firmware. After that I flashed my stock firmware but now I get stuck on recovery screen. First it says "Erasing" and then the dead Android mascot shows up. Can't boot into system. Any suggestions? FRP Lock is still on and I can't flash TWRP, custom binary is locked by frp.
possible solution
Hi, how are you? I'm sorry for my english, I'm from Brazil and I'm using the ksks translator so with my j5 i used the frp hijacker (just put it on google) there you choose the phone model, put it in download mode, install the program on the computer, choose the model, check remove frp and a hijack it! and ready frp unlocked
M.Ned said:
I flashed the combination firmware. After that I flashed my stock firmware but now I get stuck on recovery screen. First it says "Erasing" and then the dead Android mascot shows up. Can't boot into system. Any suggestions? FRP Lock is still on and I can't flash TWRP, custom binary is locked by frp.
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Does Odin say it flashed the firmware successfully
Youdoofus said:
Does Odin say it flashed the firmware successfully
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Yes it does. I tried 3 different firmwares from different regions on SamMobile. Still no luck...
M.Ned said:
Yes it does. I tried 3 different firmwares from different regions on SamMobile. Still no luck...
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tried it on another computer? Ive had that issue with my desktop/laptop(s). I never dug into what caused it to fail on the desktop vs working on a few laptops. Literally everything else works exactly as it should on the desktop so i just let it be an unresolved oddity. Likely not worth the time it would take to resolve. Anywho, try a different computer and/or diff cable. I just ordered an Anker cable from amazon and its thicker and more sturdy than the micro usb cable ive been hanging on to from my old blackberry tour. Cables are stupid cheap online these days, even for the very very good ones. Perhaps worth a shot, but i cant suggest that you spend money on anything. I can say that its what I would do.