amazon firestick 2nd generation torguard - Fire TV General

I installed torguard apk on 2nd generation fire stick.It says vpn is connected is it safe to assume that all traffic on firestick will be using the vpn?
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hantamanrd said:
I installed torguard apk on 2nd generation fire stick.It says vpn is connected is it safe to assume that all traffic on firestick will be using the vpn?
Thanks
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Nope it's never safe to assume. Install speed test and go to settings it will show you the IP your broadcasting.

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[Q] Kindle Fire apps using Vpn from Canada

I have successfully set up a wireless VPN via my router for my Kindle Fire.
Streaming Prime video, books, etc...work.
Only item is left is downloading the apps.
Keeps saying I am in the wrong country.
Any ideas?
Thanks
Might have something to do with what you are pointing your VPN to?
I think they may be using credit card billing address. I tried to use a card issued in my country (Thailand) to purchase apps, but it didn't let me. After I switched to a U.S. card, it's been working beautifully. I don't even have to VPN to purchase/download apps (other streaming services still do require VPN though)
Hope this helps...
I'm in China and I tried PUFF SSH apk for Android system and it worked!
You can check my ip is USA in the browser.
https://seapuff.com/puff.apk
I post the screenshot images and tutorial in this Chinese forum:
http://bbs.mydoo.cn/thread-54630-1-1.html
I am looking for VPN app for Kindle Fire as well, if someone knows that please don't hesitate telling me, thanks!
Thanks.
Using us credit card as 1 click setting did the trick.
guycomputer said:
Using us credit card as 1 click setting did the trick.
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Once again, very useful finding. Thanks
you actually dont need to use VPN's to get apps in canada
all you need to do is go to goodereader. c0m/apps on your kindle fire app and you can download any app you want ,
they made this so that it bypasses you not being in the USA
basically just side loading in APK's via their app store
its actually a good idea

HBO Go available now for FireTV

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0089BPEZS
Coming for FireTV Stick in the Spring.
Installed and tested. Works great.
PsycloneTW said:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0089BPEZS
Coming for FireTV Stick in the Spring.
Installed and tested. Works great.
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who is going to be the first to try sideloading on FireTVStick
Mine won't activate. The PC tells me it's good to go, the Fire TV doesn't acknowledge the activation. I'm rooted, IDK if that makes a difference.
jocala said:
Mine won't activate. The PC tells me it's good to go, the Fire TV doesn't acknowledge the activation. I'm rooted, IDK if that makes a difference.
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Mine activated without issue. Was having a few issues playing videos though....Think I'm 1 pre-rooted firmware behind. I'll update when I get a chance and test then.
If you have Comcast or charter cable then it won't work as they block amazon from being able to use HBOgo
anyone try sideloading on Fire TV stick yet?
mr3p said:
anyone try sideloading on Fire TV stick yet?
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Some folks have. And it's menu navigation is laggy but the actual video playback is not bad (That is what has been reported here & @ AFTVNews.com). You will need to go into the Amazon website & purchase the free HBO Go app to get it added to the Amazon Account that you are using on your FireTV Stick. Then you can sideloaded. If not it will tell you, you don't own the app. Easy bypass...
pbanj said:
If you have Comcast or charter cable then it won't work as they block amazon from being able to use HBOgo
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VPN?
patt2k said:
VPN?
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It's not a IP location problem. It is a service subscription option problem. Can not be fix with VPN. There is no option to input your Comcast or Charter credentials.
HBO Go stopped working on my box. All I get is a white screen now.
spyder3 said:
HBO Go stopped working on my box. All I get is a white screen now.
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Sorry to hear, still working fine for me.
I tried uninstall/reinstall...clearing cache...updating...no dice.
Spoke to soon. Stopped working for me on my Fire TV Stick. I now get a "video error: we're having trouble playing this video right now".
Anyone still have it working?
What's strange is that my Fire TV firmware is the same version as when it was working and the app hasn't update, so is this some sort of a server side block?
Is there a newer version than what's in the OP somewhere? I've been using the version in the OP here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/fire-tv/general/hbo-firetv-stick-t2979763
HBO Go still works on my android phone so it's not something network related. Other video apps work fine on my Fire TV Stick.
lexluthor said:
Spoke to soon. Stopped working for me on my Fire TV Stick. I now get a "video error: we're having trouble playing this video right now".
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I'm having the same issue with the Fire TV (non stick) right now
lexluthor said:
HBO Go still works on my android phone so it's not something network related. Other video apps work fine on my Fire TV Stick.
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HBOgo is working on my PC & Roku just not the Fire TV
Looks like there might be an update that fixes the issues.
http://www.aftvnews.com/hbo-go-app-requires-updating/
But, in the picture, it says the new version is 2.7.06, but that's what's in the OP already.
Since I have a fire tv stick and have hbo go sideloaded, I can't get an update through the fire tv stick.
Anyone have a new .apk to try?
No one with a Fire TV (not stick) has received the update yet and can post the .apk?
krawhitham said:
I'm having the same issue with the Fire TV (non stick) right now
HBOgo is working on my PC & Roku just not the Fire TV
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Interesting this error appears to also be on Showtime Anytime app I will test HBO go now and let ya guys know soon.
Maybe this helps...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=58089366&postcount=22
I just need to add : F'n Comcast!
I can access my HBO Go on PC, Mac, Android phone and tablet. Roku and Apple TV.
Why the hell do you make it impossible to register with Fire TV? What the heck is wrong with you, Comcast? And why does this society allow it? <facepalm>
Welp, HBO Go works great run through XBMC, but won't move past the white screen from the Amazon launcher. Not quite sure why...but it works!

HBO GO Works on FireTV Stick!

I side loaded the amazon HBO GO Fire TV apk and it works fine on the stick. It eve showed up in recent apps after a few mintues. It run s little slow but I read it also does on the FireTV.
Get APK Here
http://www.speedyshare.com/pP3ve/HBO-GO-2.7.06.apk
Every single time I get activation error the app will restart something like that.
Works fine on FireTV
That's odd had no issues activating.
Didn't try apk from link above but did transfer it directly from Fire TV - Fire TV stick. App works fine but navigation through menus are definitely laggy on Fire TV Stick compared to regular Fire TV.
mr3p said:
Didn't try apk from link above but did transfer it directly from Fire TV - Fire TV stick. App works fine but navigation through menus are definitely laggy on Fire TV Stick compared to regular Fire TV.
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What are you using to navigate on the Fire TV Stick since it doesn't work with the standard remote?
How do you install this? I sideloaded via ADBFire but when I launch it, it says that I don't own it and takes me to the screen to install it. Attempting to install it says that my device is not compatible with it. I am not rooted. and am running the 6220 firmware.
Any ideas?
lexluthor said:
What are you using to navigate on the Fire TV Stick since it doesn't work with the standard remote?
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The Fire TV stick remote works just fine, why would you believe it doesn't
mr3p said:
The Fire TV stick remote works just fine, why would you believe it doesn't
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Because it doesn't work at all for me and I thought I saw in another thread someone say you needed wkremote app to make it work. wkremote does work for me, but it's a pain.
I just pushed the .apk from my play store phone version of hbo go to my fire tv stick. That's the same 2.7.06 version as in the OP, so not sure if what the OP posted is different, but just the same version #.
OP, did you get that file from the Fire TV?
mr3p, can you post the .apk you got to work?
mr3p said:
The Fire TV stick remote works just fine, why would you believe it doesn't
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The .apk in the OP is a different version of HBO Go, even though the filename is the same.
It is laggy, but I am able to control it with the Fire TV Stick remote.
Use apk from Amazon for Fire TV, not from Google or other sources.
unfortunately Charter has not enabled this and the showtime yet for the fire tv so I am using the phone version with the wukong remote
mr3p said:
Use apk from Amazon for Fire TV, not from Google or other sources.
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apk in the OP is the one to use. Works pretty well. Maybe slight lag, but not enough to diminish the experience
lexluthor said:
What are you using to navigate on the Fire TV Stick since it doesn't work with the standard remote?
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lexluthor said:
Because it doesn't work at all for me and I thought I saw in another thread someone say you needed wkremote app to make it work. wkremote does work for me, but it's a pain.
I just pushed the .apk from my play store phone version of hbo go to my fire tv stick. That's the same 2.7.06 version as in the OP, so not sure if what the OP posted is different, but just the same version #.
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lexluthor said:
apk in the OP is the one to use. Works pretty well. Maybe slight lag, but not enough to diminish the experience
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I suggested you obtain apk specifcally for the FIre TV as you weren't having success with what you were doing. Sounds like the apk posted above is from Amazon Glad you got it to work.
cbarth3 said:
unfortunately Charter has not enabled this and the showtime yet for the fire tv so I am using the phone version with the wukong remote
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Apparently Comcast is the same. I guess after successfully holding Netflix hostage they want to do it with everything. It plays on my Kindle fire, but when I hook up the hdmi, all I get is the HBO GO menu, and then the hbo logo intro, ratings, etc., and then a black screen with a zero minutes time bar across the bottom, till it times out and goes back to the menu. Anyone with comcast able to get the stick to work?.]
HBO Go (version from the OP) stopped working on my Fire TV Stick. I now get a "video error: we're having trouble playing this video right now".
Anyone still have it working?
What's strange is that my Fire TV firmware is the same version as when it was working and the app hasn't update, so is this some sort of a server side block?
Is there a newer version than what's in the OP somewhere?
HBO Go still works on my android phone so it's not something network related. Other video apps work fine on my Fire TV Stick.
Looks like there might be an update that fixes the issues.
http://www.aftvnews.com/hbo-go-app-requires-updating/
But, in the picture, it says the new version is 2.7.06, but that's what's in the OP already.
Since I have a fire tv stick and have hbo go sideloaded, I can't get an update through the fire tv stick.
Anyone have a new .apk to try?
lexluthor said:
HBO Go (version from the OP) stopped working on my Fire TV Stick. I now get a "video error: we're having trouble playing this video right now".
Anyone still have it working?
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Mine quit too. Hopefully we can get an upgraded APK,
No one with a Fire TV (not stick) has received the update yet and can post the .apk?
until we get proper version for fire stick.. you guys can use sceen mirroring off your tablet/phone to play it easily (a some sort of workaround)
late to the party
so I'm a bit late to the party, but is the APK in the original post here no good now?

Software Updates — Fire TV v51.1.4.3 & Fire TV Stick v54.1.0.3

The source code for the next software updates for the Fire TV and Fire TV Stick have been posted to Amazon's US source code page. I've already seen word of people receiving these updates, so they've begun rolling out.
If you install the update, let us know if you notice any changes.
Fire TV update version is: 51.1.4.3_user_514020320
Fire TV update download URL is: http://amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuit...ueller-ota-51.1.4.3_user_514020320-signed.bin
Fire TV Stick update version is: 54.1.0.3_user_103020320
Fire TV Stick update download URL is: http://amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuit...ed89a/montoya-ota-54.1.0.3_user_103020320.bin
UPDATE:
After comparing this new update to the previous version on both a Fire TV and Fire TV Stick, I've been unable to find any visible changes. Amazon has also now updated their software page and listed "Bug Fixes" as the only change.
AFTVnews.com said:
The source code for the next software updates for the Fire TV and Fire TV Stick have been posted to Amazon's US source code page. I've already seen word of people receiving these updates, so they've begun rolling out.
If you install the update, let us know if you notice any changes.
Fire TV: 51.1.4.3_user_514020320
Fire TV Stick: 54.1.0.3_user_103020320
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what are the changes? Im still on 5.1.1.0.1
cpugeeker said:
what are the changes? Im still on 5.1.1.0.1
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Once I receive the update I'll post a full overview of the changes, as I always do.
Hmm. I wonder if this is the cause of the new problem I've encountered. I have got two AFTV's both of which can't get any Amazon content since this weekend. I get the "Unable to contact our servers" error for the Home, TV, and Movies sections. They both can still get apps and they will download apps that aren't on the boxes. Netflix works fine. And of course Kodi works fine.
If they were supposed to get this update, and Amazon knows they are not updated, could this be the cause of this problem for me? I am in the US so I am not using any VPN to circumvent any geo content restrictions. I'm not even blocking DNS. I wonder if this wouldn't be a problem if I were blocking DNS.
AFTVnews.com said:
The source code for the next software updates for the Fire TV and Fire TV Stick have been posted to Amazon's US source code page. I've already seen word of people receiving these updates, so they've begun rolling out.
If you install the update, let us know if you notice any changes.
Fire TV: 51.1.4.3_user_514020320
Fire TV Stick: 54.1.0.3_user_103020320
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kraqh3d said:
Hmm. I wonder if this is the cause of the new problem I've encountered. I have got two AFTV's both of which can't get any Amazon content since this weekend. I get the "Unable to contact our servers" error for the Home, TV, and Movies sections. They both can still get apps and they will download apps that aren't on the boxes. Netflix works fine. And of course Kodi works fine.
If they were supposed to get this update, and Amazon knows they are not updated, could this be the cause of this problem for me? I am in the US so I am not using any VPN to circumvent any geo content restrictions. I'm not even blocking DNS. I wonder if this wouldn't be a problem if I were blocking DNS.
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It's unlikely that your issue is related to this update. If Amazon were truly going to require this update in order to view content, then they wouldn't have flipped the switch yet. The vast majority of Fire TVs have not received this update yet.
I hope this fixes the bluetooth remote and the high cpu usage running kodi
kraqh3d said:
Hmm. I wonder if this is the cause of the new problem I've encountered. I have got two AFTV's both of which can't get any Amazon content since this weekend. I get the "Unable to contact our servers" error for the Home, TV, and Movies sections. They both can still get apps and they will download apps that aren't on the boxes. Netflix works fine. And of course Kodi works fine.
If they were supposed to get this update, and Amazon knows they are not updated, could this be the cause of this problem for me? I am in the US so I am not using any VPN to circumvent any geo content restrictions. I'm not even blocking DNS. I wonder if this wouldn't be a problem if I were blocking DNS.
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I get the same problem about twice per week. Unplugging and plugging back in solves the problem I don't know if it is the AFTV or XBMC use causing it.
Download URL for the Fire TV 51.1.4.3_user_514020320 update is: http://amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuit...ueller-ota-51.1.4.3_user_514020320-signed.bin
( Attention @rbox )
I don't know about the changes yet because I haven't installed it yet. As usual, it's one of my rooted Fire TVs that tried to update first. Once my sacrificial Fire TV updates, I'll be able to see what has changed. My Fire TV Sticks have also not updated yet.
AFTVnews.com said:
Download URL for the Fire TV 51.1.4.3_user_514020320 update is: http://amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuit...ueller-ota-51.1.4.3_user_514020320-signed.bin
( Attention @rbox )
I don't know about the changes yet because I haven't installed it yet. As usual, it's one of my rooted Fire TVs that tried to update first. Once my sacrificial Fire TV updates, I'll be able to see what has changed. My Fire TV Sticks have also not updated yet.
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I'm not at home, but my wife is reporting that the Fire TV Stick (unrooted) won't work because of internet problems. The Internet is fine. I still was blocking the update servers through OpenDNS. I removed the block and I'm waiting for openDNS to allow the connections. I think Amazon is forcing the update on the stick. My other two rooted Fire TVs are off, so I'll have to test when I get home. I disabled the update service on those.
Got the update on the fire tv i don't see any difference what so ever
gonna keep digging
radiohead7778580 said:
Got the update on the fire tv i don't see any difference what so ever
gonna keep digging
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Would you happen to have a Windows 8.1 machine to check if Miracast works?
Resnoid said:
Would you happen to have a Windows 8.1 machine to check if Miracast works?
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i have a macbook with bootcamp running windows 8.1 i can check it out!!
I really wish they would fix this issue that i posted on kodi forums its something with the amazon firmware and kodi on both fire tv and stick take a look and let me know what you think
http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=216525
radiohead7778580 said:
I hope this fixes the bluetooth remote and the high cpu usage running kodi
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I haven't noticed high CPU usage running Kodi on my AFTV. It runs super smooth.
I use this to launch my Kodi: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=se.blunden.xbmclauncher
Neo3D said:
I haven't noticed high CPU usage running Kodi on my AFTV. It runs super smooth.
I use this to launch my Kodi: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=se.blunden.xbmclauncher
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Its only happens when you launch it from the settings, manage all user installed apps its seems like its no shutting down some services
radiohead7778580 said:
Its only happens when you launch it from the settings, manage all user installed apps its seems like its no shutting down some services
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Give this a try. It frees things up well for me on all my android devices including the FTV.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.greatbytes.fastreboot&hl=en
xm41907 said:
Give this a try. It frees things up well for me on all my android devices including the FTV.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.greatbytes.fastreboot&hl=en
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I will try it for sure... but you guys give int a try loading from the settings menu then click on the cpu usage then launch it from a 3rd party launcher or llama classic tv or ikono tv icon you will see there is something wrong
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It's unlikely that your issue is related to this update. If Amazon were truly going to require this update in order to view content, then they wouldn't have flipped the switch yet. The vast majority of Fire TVs have not received this update yet.
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mychaelp said:
I get the same problem about twice per week. Unplugging and plugging back in solves the problem I don't know if it is the AFTV or XBMC use causing it.
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Thanks. It was unrelated. It seems to have resolved itself without any reboot sometime between my post and this weekend when I went to look at it again. My AFTV's are always running Kodi so I really have no idea how frequently this might occur. I'll keep an eye on it and see if this happens regularly.
also, you dont have to power cycle to reboot. hold the play/pause and select button for a few seconds to reboot.
psycon said:
also, you dont have to power cycle to reboot. hold the play/pause and select button for a few seconds to reboot.
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Never knew that. Nice tip!
I've received both updates now (Fire TV & Fire TV Stick) and had a chance to compare them to the previous version. I haven't been able to find any visible changes. Also, Amazon has updated their software pages and officially listed these updates as "Bug Fixes".

VPN on Fire TV

Can anyone elaborate on how to set up a VPN on their Fire TV box/stick? Particularly with Kodi? Tweaking the router is not an option, as apparently Comcast frowns on such endeavors.
Following link was posted in another thread and may help you...
http://www.amazon.com/review/R29NVVQD7RRLIG
Hey, thanks for the link, jbl0ggs! I'll give this a shot tonight.
This didnt work for me on my fire stick , first hurdle was it said it was incompatible with my system but I downloaded it from the link at bottom of page,
It does say its connected but my ip doesnt change ,so I tried changing dns servers to that of pia but still not working,
I use a dd-wrt router with openvpn installed but just wanted to try this out
check the google play store for vpn apps.
kayiman74 said:
check the google play store for vpn apps.
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When I went on to Amazon.com to look for VPN apps for my Fire TV, it displays little red Xs next to my device name, indicating that all the VPN apps I found were not compatible with my Fire TV.
Might I have better luck trying straight out of the Fire TV? Is there a specific VPN app that stands out for the Fire TV?
It worked on my fire phone in the first time but on fire tv stick got an error about imagen does not support openvpn service api.
I hope it will work on the comming update.
R4fo said:
It worked on my fire phone in the first time but on fire tv stick got an error about imagen does not support openvpn service api.
I hope it will work on the comming update.
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I'm actually using Fire OS 5.0.3 (532008220)
thought that might be the problem
Petesky said:
I'm actually using Fire OS 5.0.3 (532008220)
thought that might be the problem
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you right, that is the problem, that os on that hardware does not have vpn files. Since there is no software root for a firetvstick I'll just assume The OP did not do the hardware root to put them their. Perhaps using a router with a vpn built in will solve the problem. Otherwise look here if and when your device gets rooted.
https://vpntips.com/fire-tv-vpn-install/
but until then here is your vpn solution
https://vpntips.com/how-to-unblock-any-digital-media-player/
My fire phone is not rooted and openvpn for android found in http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BBVPKUW (free version) worked but not on fire tv stick v1.
R4fo said:
My fire phone is not rooted and openvpn for android found in http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BBVPKUW (free version) worked but not on fire tv stick v1.
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Yes, an android phone is not a ftvstick or box. Putting a vpn in the ftv line of products is not what amazon wants to do from a business model as they have arrangements to only send content to geographic regions they have licenses to distribute such content to. Natively running the vpn client on the device without root is most likely not going to happen and don't hold your breath for an update to allow it. I have been known to be wrong before, but I'm willing to place a pretty solid bet on this one. cheers.
Hi
I'm the co-developer of VPNicity which is a Kodi add-on/VPN service so I want to make that disclosure first.
We've been doing some testing on the Amazon Fire TV2 and our add-on is working fine.
FYI: The add-on uses our 'Control' app which allows our python code (in Kodi) to communicate with the OpenVPN for Android app to make the connections, so as well as installing the Kodi Add-on, these 2 apks need to be sideloaded.
We are going to test a bit more but our code as it stands seems to work fine, at least on the Fire TV box. We haven't tested a stick.
For example, I'm in London and I connected to Netflix in Brazil to test some content. I had no issue streaming a Brazilian movie in HD via the FTV box connected to my Sony TV.
EDIT: The test was done on a Fire TV - Fire OS 5.0.5
Just thought I would share that we have confirmed on another thread in the development section that the Private Internet Access apk works on the Fire TV 2 box without Google Play services. I hope this helps.
Fire tv vpn
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=65179614
Fire tv vpn
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My Fire TV Stick got updated to the FireOS 5.
Openvpn for Android is connected to my VPN but nothing is being routed to it.
Is this a common issue with lollipop? Any fix for it?
Thanks
Edit: Tested on Fire Tv 1sr Gen FireOS 5 and is working fine. So the routing problem is only on the Fire TV Stick .
R4fo said:
My Fire TV Stick got updated to the FireOS 5.
Openvpn for Android is connected to my VPN but nothing is being routed to it.
Is this a common issue with lollipop? Any fix for it?
Thanks
Edit: Tested on Fire Tv 1sr Gen FireOS 5 and is working fine. So the routing problem is only on the Fire TV Stick .
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Same here. I have 5.2.6.1 installed on my FTVS2 and while all the VPNs I tried come up nicely, nothing is routed through the VPN. I think they removed the permissions to change network routing but 3rs party apps at some point in time.
At the moment it seems, there is no way to sucessfully use *any* VPN service on a fully updated FTVS2.
tnbt23 said:
Same here. I have 5.2.6.1 installed on my FTVS2 and while all the VPNs I tried come up nicely, nothing is routed through the VPN. I think they removed the permissions to change network routing but 3rs party apps at some point in time.
At the moment it seems, there is no way to sucessfully use *any* VPN service on a fully updated FTVS2.
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Will be testing this on a new FTVS2 this week. Never heard of VPN's being blocked on FTV devices. I know the FTVS1 was missing some VPN related stuff but that was from FireOS 3 I think.
Will post back what I find. For now I would recommend you guys to uninstall & reinstall your VPN App(s) to try to see if that helps.
I have the Pia vpn apk side loaded on my stock ftvs2. Need to have a different remote to set it up though. I am assuming it is working Netflix won't let me connect when it is running. I installed Pia back in October 2016 when I got it not sure if that makes a difference.

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