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Which model is preferable to take overseas?

I noticed the Verizon S3 has a mini-SIM port.. but why? I thought Verizon phones don't have SIM cards at all?
Also, is it true that the AT&T model doesn't have a SIM card port at all? How is it activated then?
Also, the T-mobile model apparently has calling-over-WiFi (uma). Does that only work on t-mobile's network or will it work overseas too?

The micro sim port is for Verizon lte. Tmobiles is also a micro sim, and I think you still have to be connected to Tmobiles network to use wifi calling. Don't know about att.
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PhrostB said:
I noticed the Verizon S3 has a mini-SIM port.. but why? I thought Verizon phones don't have SIM cards at all?
Also, is it true that the AT&T model doesn't have a SIM card port at all? How is it activated then?
Also, the T-mobile model apparently has calling-over-WiFi (uma). Does that only work on t-mobile's network or will it work overseas too?
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AT&T version does have a mini sim slot right beside the SD Card. It's a spring loaded slot.

crystalstylez said:
AT&T version does have a mini sim slot right beside the SD Card. It's a spring loaded slot.
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So which model is this?
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I believe that Verizon has stated that they will enable global roaming on the Galaxy S3 in the future, but I'm not sure on that.

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So which model is this?
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The one on the left is probably SPRINT, as they've been hard-embedding the LTE SIM card into the device to bastardize it (they're doing it with all phones).
The right is probably AT&T/TMO.
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I believe that Verizon has stated that they will enable global roaming on the Galaxy S3 in the future, but I'm not sure on that.
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Well, the internal chipset has GSM support. You wouldn't be able to change the SIM card, I believe. You'd be stuck on VZW's expensive international roaming plans.
But for global roaming it'd only support 800 Mhz and 1900 Mhz bands, unless Verizon had them add the extra hardware.

The AT&T version uses the same frequencies as the international version.
Side by side comparison i747 and i9300

I travel quite a bit outside of the US for work, and for international travel, your best bet is the ATT version since GSM will give you the most options outside of the North America. As mentioned, Verizon may be offering some limited compatibility, but you will be stuck to their plan, whereas the ATT version (esp if unlocked) will allow you to swap chips in other countries as desired.
I say ATT because band-wise it has the most international compatible ones, and the 2100 band will help in regions like Japan and Korea that don't use standard GSM.
TMo is probably the second choice, but because they use bands like 1700 that no one else really uses, you're still better off with ATT.
The CDMA versions would be the last ones (Verizon and Sprint) since their roaming will be limited.
This is assuming you are picking from the US versions - for Canadian models, just find the carrier that matches ATT (I believe Rogers is the closest).

I'm starting to think I should just get the international version.

PhrostB said:
I'm starting to think I should just get the international version.
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Is your home base in the US? Are you on an LTE network? Not sure if international version works with LTE. One reason why we have a different processor in our US phones because of LTE. A South Korean model (international version) will have LTE support but I don't know if its available.
GSM is your best bet if you live in the US. ATT or TMo. Verizon's international roaming is quite expensive.

gingson said:
Is your home base in the US? Are you on an LTE network? Not sure if international version works with LTE. One reason why we have a different processor in our US phones because of LTE. A South Korean model (international version) will have LTE support but I don't know if its available.
GSM is your best bet if you live in the US. ATT or TMo. Verizon's international roaming is quite expensive.
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I'm usually in Israel.. specifically in an army base in the desert.

PhrostB said:
I'm usually in Israel.. specifically in an army base in the desert.
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I would go with the at&t one if you were to choose a us version. Personally if I had to pick I would just go with the international version if that where the case. I wanna see what the quadcore can do in a phone and personally I'm fine running hspa. I currently have no LTE were I'm at anyway. I have to drive like an hour to Baton Rouge for a taste lol.

By the way.... Tmobile wifi calling works anywhere there is wifi..
If you are overseas and you make a phone call back to the usa using wifi calling... Its free.. Its considered a usa to usa call....
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clninja said:
By the way.... Tmobile wifi calling works anywhere there is wifi..
If you are overseas and you make a phone call back to the usa using wifi calling... Its free.. Its considered a usa to usa call....
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Was just about to say this. I think you can also add an international long distance plan for a small fee (that way you can also call israeli numbers), which would make the phone work well anywhere you have wifi, then just get a prepaid sim to use while on the go. Just an idea tho.

I was only considering buying the phone here in the states and using it back home in israel with my regular carrier (Cellcom). Will the t-mobile S3 support calling-over-wifi even if I'm not on t-mobile's network?

Would this phone work on T-Mobile if sprint gave me an unlock code?

Would i be able to use this phone on T-Mobile here in the U.S? I've serached and haven't seen an answer to this question for u.s. networks. All I see is people asking if it'd work internationally.
I ask because this phone does have a sim card slot and in network settings there is an option for gsm/umts networks?
If so I would assume I'd need to flash tmobiles gs4 modem in order to use their service?
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Short answer....no.

troyboytn said:
Short answer....no.
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Would be nice if you elaborated
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nemesis93 said:
Would be nice if you elaborated
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Well, it is that simple, it wont work on T-Mobile or ATT. There is no way to have it unlocked for US domestic GSM carriers (other than some risky propositions of flashing it with TMO ROM which I would not recommend) .

No offense intended towards the op but I've seen so many posts of people thinking that just because it has a sim slot it can work on us gsm. The sim card is unique in that it is meant for information needed to run on sprint CDMA/LTE networks. The sim slot doesn't function like a gsm sim socket. If you want to use a phone on a gsm us network, then buy a bloody gsm phone!

nemesis93 said:
Would i be able to use this phone on T-Mobile here in the U.S? I've serached and haven't seen an answer to this question for u.s. networks. All I see is people asking if it'd work internationally.
I ask because this phone does have a sim card slot and in network settings there is an option for gsm/umts networks?
If so I would assume I'd need to flash tmobiles gs4 modem in order to use their service?
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No, it will not work on "domestic" GSM networks (T-Mobile/AT&T etc), Sprint has that disabled/locked out by default. They will unlock it for you (if you meet the necessary requirements) for use on overseas GSM networks or you can by default, roam on overseas networks and pay expensive international roaming rates.
Yes, the Sprint S4 is a dual mode CDMA/GSM handset and as such has a SIM slot. Just because it has a SIM slot doesn't mean it'll just accept any GSM SIM and voila it works. First, the SIM slot is there because it's an LTE device and they all require SIM cards for LTE authentication on the Sprint network.
It would have been easy (and more consumer friendly) for Sprint to have their S4 have a completely unlocked SIM slot but their incentive is to have you pay expensive international roaming rates when using it on GSM networks, hence they lock out domestic GSM networks.
What's the point of assuming you'd need to flash a T-Mobile modem (and potentially brick your phone)? If your intent is to be on T-Mobile, why not sell the Sprint S4 and get a T-Mobile S4? Why do people suffer themselves through all these palaver?

LordLugard said:
No, it will not work on "domestic" GSM networks (T-Mobile/AT&T etc), Sprint has that disabled/locked out by default. They will unlock it for you (if you meet the necessary requirements) for use on overseas GSM networks or you can by default, roam on overseas networks and pay expensive international roaming rates.
Yes, the Sprint S4 is a dual mode CDMA/GSM handset and as such has a SIM slot. Just because it has a SIM slot doesn't mean it'll just accept any GSM SIM and voila it works. First, the SIM slot is there because it's an LTE device and they all require SIM cards for LTE authentication on the Sprint network.
It would have been easy (and more consumer friendly) for Sprint to have their S4 have a completely unlocked SIM slot but their incentive is to have you pay expensive international roaming rates when using it on GSM networks, hence they lock out domestic GSM networks.
What's the point of assuming you'd need to flash a T-Mobile modem (and potentially brick your phone)? If your intent is to be on T-Mobile, why not sell the Sprint S4 and get a T-Mobile S4? Why do people suffer themselves through all these palaver?
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It's a question because I obviously don't know so I ask for others input. I'm simply saying because the phone has a sim card slot AND it appears to be compatible with gsm networks so I ask if it would work in the US not internationally.
It's not always as simple as sell this phone and get myself a tmobile s4 because there is probability I won't be able to sell it.
I don't understand the people on this forum. Either answer the question or leave it alone and let the thread go down into the next page. Simple as that.
Thank you LordLugard for explaining despite that last part of your post. Otherwise I would've "thanked" you.
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I'm working on this fixing this.. for science! No promises.

nemesis93 said:
It's a question because I obviously don't know so I ask for others input. I'm simply saying because the phone has a sim card slot AND it appears to be compatible with gsm networks so I ask if it would work in the US not internationally.
It's not always as simple as sell this phone and get me a tmobile s4 because there is a probability I won't be able to sell it.
I don't understand the people on this forum. Either answer the question or leave it alone and let the thread go down into the next page. Simple as that.
Thank you LordLugard for explaining despite that last part of your post. Otherwise I would've "thanked" you.
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Whether you thank me or not is irrelevant. You had a question and I tried my best to answer/help as understandably as possible. This is what the forum is about.
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I'm working on this fixing this.. for science! No promises.
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Saw your post on twitter..!!! As usual, the resident Morpheus!!!

nemesis93 said:
It's a question because I obviously don't know so I ask for others input. I'm simply saying because the phone has a sim card slot AND it appears to be compatible with gsm networks so I ask if it would work in the US not internationally.
It's not always as simple as sell this phone and get myself a tmobile s4 because there is probability I won't be able to sell it.
I don't understand the people on this forum. Either answer the question or leave it alone and let the thread go down into the next page. Simple as that.
Thank you LordLugard for explaining despite that last part of your post. Otherwise I would've "thanked" you.
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Not be able to sell one of the top phones right now? That's impossible. Craigslist it and you'll sell it in no time.

Stealyourface said:
Not be able to sell one of the top phones right now? That's impossible. Craigslist it and you'll sell it in no time.
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Even Swappa, although people that use Swappa actually know about phones and what the current prices are.

Nice
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I'm working on this fixing this.. for science! No promises.
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Sprint is cdma and is the only one that uses it....answer is NO.

According to the specs on the phone, the hardware is capable of running on Att or T-mobile network without 4g. It will just take time for someone to figure out how to unlock the phone's radio. It will be similar to rooting or unlocking the phone, pure software limitation, but it will take longer since there aren't that many developers looking in to it vs say rooting.

what makes it annoying right now is the inability to flash the modem partition through dd commands. doesn't stick after a reboot.
but yes.. this phone supports more GSM bands than the HTC One. ATT/TMO AWS bands and obviously LTE bands are not available. Might be able to hack in AWS support.. but no way on LTE.
LTE: Band 25;
CDMA 1x/EVDO Rev.A: 800/850/1900MHz;
HSPA+/UMTS: 850/900/1900/2100MHz;
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900MHz

autoprime said:
what makes it annoying right now is the inability to flash the modem partition through dd commands. doesn't stick after a reboot.
but yes.. this phone supports more GSM bands than the HTC One. ATT/TMO AWS bands and obviously LTE bands are not available. Might be able to hack in AWS support.. but no way on LTE.
LTE: Band 25;
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HSPA+/UMTS: 850/900/1900/2100MHz;
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900MHz
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If you find out how to unlock it, i will find you, and I will kiss you, and i'm a guy >_>
edit: A very very straight guy.

Brandonxcore said:
If you find out how to unlock it, i will find you, and I will kiss you, and i'm a guy >_>
edit: A very very straight guy.
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Nothing weird about guys kissing. I've kissed another guy(s) before....hmmmm...my dad and brother...haha..

Note that even if you were able to get the device to work on T-Mobile, while you would get 2G just about everywhere, you will only get 3G in areas that have been "re-farmed" and you will not get get LTE at all since the device densest support the AWS band.

it will work
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2530610
Tested works great no lte but i do have h+

FINALLY! A single hardware variant for all US carriers.

Looking at the FCC docs for what appears to be the S7, it seems like Samsung will finally make just a single hardware variant for the US, FCC ID A3LSMG935US, with the different carrier models' features and bands being enabled/disabled solely in software or firmware.
Assuming this observation is correct, this will mark a sea change in Samsung's approach which in the past meant creating a plethora of hardware variants for the US market.
This may also mean that at some point we might see an unlocked model with broad support for multiple US carriers.

FINALLY! A single hardware variant for all US carriers
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Looking at the FCC docs for what appears to be the S7, it seems like Samsung will finally make just a single hardware variant for the US, FCC ID A3LSMG935US, with the different carrier models' features and bands being enabled/disabled solely in software or firmware.
Assuming this observation is correct, this will mark a sea change in Samsung's approach which in the past meant creating a plethora of hardware variants for the US market.
This may also mean that at some point we might see an unlocked model with broad support for multiple US carriers.
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Hope this will come true

haldi15 said:
GayT&T and Verizon will still lock the bootloaders on their versions
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Probably true but since most of us will have to buy the phone outright now due to no carrier subsidies, couldn't we just buy a T-Mobile version and active whatever bands are needed for lets say Verizon? I have always heard that T-Mobile phones are easier to deal with as far as a Sammy BL goes. I may be way off on my thinking but it was my thought as this was a way around Verizon and AT&T locking down the equipment that we own.

t_house said:
Probably true but since most of us will have to buy the phone outright now due to no carrier subsidies, couldn't we just buy a T-Mobile version and active whatever bands are needed for lets say Verizon? I have always heard that T-Mobile phones are easier to deal with as far as a Sammy BL goes. I may be way off on my thinking but it was my thought as this was a way around Verizon and AT&T locking down the equipment that we own.
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correct both US and canadian users already do this, you can either hex edit the modem or just flash a modem that carries the support already as many users have done.

t_house said:
Probably true but since most of us will have to buy the phone outright now due to no carrier subsidies, couldn't we just buy a T-Mobile version and active whatever bands are needed for lets say Verizon? I have always heard that T-Mobile phones are easier to deal with as far as a Sammy BL goes. I may be way off on my thinking but it was my thought as this was a way around Verizon and AT&T locking down the equipment that we own.
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Been using TMOBILE Phones on ATT Network for 5 years. S4- S5-Note 3, 4 and 5, S6 - etc.

Perhaps this coincides with the rumored Samsung leasing program and one unlocked phone for all carriers.
Only recently has Verizon started activating unlocked phones ie Nexus.
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Solace50 said:
correct both US and canadian users already do this, you can either hex edit the modem or just flash a modem that carries the support already as many users have done.
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Is it really expected to be that easy to use a T-Mobile S7 on Verizon? T-Mobile leaves them unlocked so you can flash Verizon radios and are good to go?

Redflea said:
Is it really expected to be that easy to use a T-Mobile S7 on Verizon? T-Mobile leaves them unlocked so you can flash Verizon radios and are good to go?
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I know in the past you could always take a Verizon S7 and use it on T-Mobile or AT&T, but the problem has been a lack of band support since Verizon only seems to include at most bands 2, 4, 5, and 13. Here's hoping the S7 changes this.

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I know in the past you could always take a Verizon S7 and use it on T-Mobile or AT&T, but the problem has been a lack of band support since Verizon only seems to include at most bands 2, 4, 5, and 13. Here's hoping the S7 changes this.
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I'm more interested in the other direction, T-Mobile S7 Edge on Verizon. If that's doable, that would be nice.

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I'm more interested in the other direction, T-Mobile S7 Edge on Verizon. If that's doable, that would be nice.
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I really hope so. In the past only the Verizon model could work on Verizon, but I think it's about time Samsung changes this and follows the route of the Nexus, iPhone, and Moto direction of one phone that works on all carriers.

I have a Verizon S5 and I can easily activate any band I need by changing settings in the IOT Hidden Menu and/or Service Mode. It's been a minute since I last played around with my phone in that capacity but I know I can do it. Obviously root access is a must to do any of this so I guess we will see if Sammy bastardizes the S7 like they did the S6 Edge and Edge+ with no options at all for root. That really is a deal breaker for me. I'll keep my S5 and see what the 2016 versions of the Nexus phones are like.

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I have a Verizon S5 and I can easily activate any band I need by changing settings in the IOT Hidden Menu and/or Service Mode. It's been a minute since I last played around with my phone in that capacity but I know I can do it. Obviously root access is a must to do any of this so I guess we will see if Sammy bastardizes the S7 like they did the S6 Edge and Edge+ with no options at all for root. That really is a deal breaker for me. I'll keep my S5 and see what the 2016 versions of the Nexus phones are like.
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No, you can't activate any band you need. You may be able to activate certain unlocked bands, but it still lacks many of the bands that are in use today by other carriers.

It has come to my attention that the Straight Talk version of the Galaxy S5 comes with an unlocked bootloader and is practically identical to the Verizon version. Cyanogenmod and TWRP can be loaded on to it. You would treat it as a developer model S5.
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t_house said:
It has come to my attention that the Straight Talk version of the Galaxy S5 comes with an unlocked bootloader and is practically identical to the Verizon version. Cyanogenmod and TWRP can be loaded on to it. You would treat it as a developer model S5.
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That's awesome if true. Have you actually done this yourself? Or do you have a source?

Apparently AT&T will be offering an off-contract phone but still unsure if it will be unlocked or not. Does anyone have experience with AT&T and their off-contract phones.

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Is it really expected to be that easy to use a T-Mobile S7 on Verizon? T-Mobile leaves them unlocked so you can flash Verizon radios and are good to go?
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That seems to be what OP is implying, though I'm not as optimistic. If that's confirmed true then I'll be getting an S7 on day one.
Unlimited data keeps us on Verizon, but I'm so sick and tired of their locked down devices.

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Looking at the FCC docs for what appears to be the S7, it seems like Samsung will finally make just a single hardware variant for the US, FCC ID A3LSMG935US, with the different carrier models' features and bands being enabled/disabled solely in software or firmware.
Assuming this observation is correct, this will mark a sea change in Samsung's approach which in the past meant creating a plethora of hardware variants for the US market.
This may also mean that at some point we might see an unlocked model with broad support for multiple US carriers.
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Apparently not:
G930F (Global); G930A (AT&T, Cricket); G930P (Sprint, Boost, Virgin Mobile); G930V (Verizon); G930T (T-Mobile, Metro PCS); G930R (US Cellular)
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I think OP was referring to this image. Notice the middle model.

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I think OP was referring to this image. Notice the middle model.
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Very interesting. But...
No VoLTE on that model means no simultaneous voice and data on Verizon, as voice will always be CDMA (assuming they don't try and pitch a hissy fit about activating on their network in the first place). Also no wifi calling on that model.
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So the T-Mobile site says it supports LTE band 13. I wonder if it could be used on Verizon, even if only in LTE mode?

Unlocked HTC 10 on Verizon?

According to the HTC website the HTC 10 has all the bands necessary for Verizon including CDMA. Does anyone know if it will work on Verizon?
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I'm wondering the same thing.
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According to the HTC website the HTC 10 has all the bands necessary for Verizon including CDMA. Does anyone know if it will work on Verizon?
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I suspect it will indeed work on VZW, all 3 models have the same modelid (ATT, TMO, VZW)...
Jeff Gordon pretty much confirmed it...https://twitter.com/urbanstrata/status/719949958166786048?s=15

I see it as the same situation as the 6P. Verizon didnt "officially certify" it for their network, but since it had the correct bands it worked with an already activated sim card.
I preordered an unlocked HTC 10 and plan on popping in my 6p VZW sim card.
Now does it matter that HTC site lists the 850 frequency (which verizon uses for their 3g) under 2G/2.5G - GSM/GPRS/EDGE?

I am wondering the same my friend..it will be a must buy it so and I can use it on any carrier at anytime! It's probably too good to be true though all of ever heard is how Verizon is very strict on what phones they will let on their network ? If I have to get the Verizon version, then I will have to wait on bootloader unlock before purchase Crossing fingers
MoNsTeReNeRgY22, Post back once you get the phone and pop in your sim.... The sim from my iPhone 6Plus should work to I would guess?

Verizon is less strict than you think. They're picky about the phones they certify and sell, but if a phone has the right radios, you can usually get it to work on V by just inserting a pre-activated SIM.
I've heard a rumor that Verizon will be getting an exclusive launch ahead of the US competition with this phone. It'd be nice if the unlocked model is the same. Perhaps they'll put some software locking that we can easily circumnavigate? Being able to travel with my M8 and pop in a local GSM SIM has been a huge benefit.

So it's not looking good. Android Police in their quick write up tried a already activated VZW sim and it was a no go.
http://imgur.com/EHIZh9f

MoNsTeReNeRgY22 said:
So it's not looking good. Android Police in their quick write up tried a already activated VZW sim and it was a no go.
http://imgur.com/EHIZh9f
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Not good.

Just got a twitter response from Mo Versi who works at HTC, and I quote "NO, You will have to purchase directly from Verizon or Sprint. Thanks" Not sure if this is the be all end all, but it doesn't help!? Perhaps Verizon is telling them to say this so we buy from carrier?? Or maybe we are just screwed

awareunlikeu said:
Just got a twitter response from Mo Versi who works at HTC, and I quote "NO, You will have to purchase directly from Verizon or Sprint. Thanks" Not sure if this is the be all end all, but it doesn't help!? Perhaps Verizon is telling them to say this so we buy from carrier?? Or maybe we are just screwed
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Verizon did just implement that new upgrade fee if you buy from them. Sneaky, sneaky.

MoNsTeReNeRgY22 said:
So it's not looking good. Android Police in their quick write up tried a already activated VZW sim and it was a no go.
http://imgur.com/EHIZh9f
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I've experienced this on cracking the Chinanet LTE of Verizon M9. The LTE signal just show up and disappeared in a moment.
But at last I solved it by adding MCC in EFS explore.

awareunlikeu said:
Just got a twitter response from Mo Versi who works at HTC, and I quote "NO, You will have to purchase directly from Verizon or Sprint. Thanks" Not sure if this is the be all end all, but it doesn't help!? Perhaps Verizon is telling them to say this so we buy from carrier?? Or maybe we are just screwed
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Since they are releasing an actual Verizon variant, I dont see you getting any other answer out of him than that.
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I've experienced this on cracking the Chinanet LTE of Verizon M9. The LTE signal just show up and disappeared in a moment.
But at last I solved it by adding MCC in EFS explore.
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Can you elaborate on what you mean by adding MCC in EFS explore?

MoNsTeReNeRgY22 said:
Since they are releasing an actual Verizon variant, I dont see you getting any other answer out of him than that.
Can you elaborate on what you mean by adding MCC in EFS explore?
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Yeah I suspect so, If it does indeed work on Verizon, Im sure Verizon dosent want them advertising it. My only fear is when I receive it, it does work, but if I am out of ranfe for LTE and it has to drop down to 3G, will it work.. I guess we shall see!? I did see that HTC has a 14 day return policy. If I cant get it to work in the 14 days, then I will just wait for a bootloader unlock for the Verizon model. Anyone thats up to date and knows the 3G and LTE bads real well? Does this unlocked edition have all the necessary bands for both 3G and LTE, on VZW? I know a bit, but dont know them all.

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Yeah I suspect so, If it does indeed work on Verizon, Im sure Verizon dosent want them advertising it. My only fear is when I receive it, it does work, but if I am out of ranfe for LTE and it has to drop down to 3G, will it work.. I guess we shall see!? I did see that HTC has a 14 day return policy. If I cant get it to work in the 14 days, then I will just wait for a bootloader unlock for the Verizon model. Anyone thats up to date and knows the 3G and LTE bads real well? Does this unlocked edition have all the necessary bands for both 3G and LTE, on VZW? I know a bit, but dont know them all.
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Yup agreed and I think its actually a 30 day return policy. See HTC.com America store by Digital River refund policy
And according to Wireless Carrier Cheat Sheet, the unlocked version supports Verizon CDMA ( CDMA: 800/1900 with EVDO Rev A). I screenshotted the supported bands of the unlocked HTC 10, the VZW HTC M9 and and VZW LG G5. All support the same bands (CDMA included). I circled the same CDMA bands for reference (Ignore my crude paint skills).
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Yup agreed and I think its actually a 30 day return policy. See HTC.com America store by Digital River refund policy
And according to Wireless Carrier Cheat Sheet, the unlocked version supports Verizon CDMA ( CDMA: 800/1900 with EVDO Rev A). I screenshotted the supported bands of the unlocked HTC 10, the VZW HTC M9 and and VZW LG G5. All support the same bands (CDMA included). I circled the same CDMA bands for reference (Ignore my crude paint skills).
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A guy linked this to me: http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_10_goes_by_fcc_ahead_of_announcement-news-17569.php
It shows 2 separate models 2PS6200 and 2PS6500
Hopefully this is not one of them being GSM, and the other being the CDMA model?

awareunlikeu said:
A guy linked this to me: http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_10_goes_by_fcc_ahead_of_announcement-news-17569.php
It shows 2 separate models 2PS6200 and 2PS6500
Hopefully this is not one of them being GSM, and the other being the CDMA model?
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Even if there are separate models, does it matter since the tech specs for the unlocked variant list all the bands we need anyways?

MoNsTeReNeRgY22 said:
Even if there are separate models, does it matter since the tech specs for the unlocked variant list all the bands we need anyways?
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Yeah thats the way it certainly seems. Someone pointed out though that it could be showing the bands for both models as a whole.... It does not sound convincing, but something to think about.

awareunlikeu said:
A guy linked this to me: http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_10_goes_by_fcc_ahead_of_announcement-news-17569.php
It shows 2 separate models 2PS6200 and 2PS6500
Hopefully this is not one of them being GSM, and the other being the CDMA model?
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2PS620000 is for Europe, that article may be wrong about it hitting the FCC...doesn't make sense
2PS650000 is for US GSM (ATT & TMO) & VZW
Sprint will have a different modelid...

OMJ said:
2PS620000 is for Europe, that article may be wrong about it hitting the FCC...doesn't make sense
2PS650000 is for US GSM (ATT & TMO) & VZW
Sprint will have a different modelid...
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TASTY!

Read the whole thread and it looks like the unlocked HTC 10 might work on Verizon. Great news. I DON'T WANT VERIZON BRANDED DEVICE EVER AGAIN. I looked at the specs on the website and saw LTE bands 3,4,13 which is what Verizon uses AFAIK. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Whoever ordered the device please update us as soon as you get your device.
Thank you
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Don't reward TMo - get a 955F !

For those of you that have not gotten a 935T - don't ! If you must have a S8+, get a 955f
I wasted time with a TMo 935T, and got tired of the TMo run-around and the limited options even AFTER it was rooted. My 935f gets TMo bands 2,4, and 12, and I have WiFi and VoLTE - and am not looking back. Will never buy another TMo branded device again.
As for a 955+, I will live with a S8+ port for now - don't see enough in the new device to justify getting one at this point. Plus - with Duelboot, I have 2 other ROMs up, and don't know if duelboot will handle the S8 and S8+ anytime soon.

gaww said:
For those of you that have not gotten a 935T - don't ! If you must have a S8+, get a 955f
I wasted time with a TMo 935T, and got tired of the TMo run-around and the limited options even AFTER it was rooted. My 935f gets TMo bands 2,4, and 12, and I have WiFi and VoLTE - and am not looking back. Will never buy another TMo branded device again.
As for a 955+, I will live with a S8+ port for now - don't see enough in the new device to justify getting one at this point. Plus - with Duelboot, I have 2 other ROMs up, and don't know if duelboot will handle the S8 and S8+ anytime soon.
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You have interest free leasing to get one??
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gaww said:
For those of you that have not gotten a 935T - don't ! If you must have a S8+, get a 955f
I wasted time with a TMo 935T, and got tired of the TMo run-around and the limited options even AFTER it was rooted. My 935f gets TMo bands 2,4, and 12, and I have WiFi and VoLTE - and am not looking back. Will never buy another TMo branded device again.
As for a 955+, I will live with a S8+ port for now - don't see enough in the new device to justify getting one at this point. Plus - with Duelboot, I have 2 other ROMs up, and don't know if duelboot will handle the S8 and S8+ anytime soon.
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I totally agree with you about the F model but not everyone has $800-1000 laying around to buy a phone out right. That's why most people go with carrier branded phones, so they can make small monthly payments and have a premium flagship every year.
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Thus far, to my knowledge, there isn't an unlocked snapdragon variant out yet and emulation on the snapdragon is far superior than the exynos. Thus I don't mind getting a T-Mobile (my current carrier) variant since samsung did an excellent job with most of the software in my opinion and most modifications I used to use a custom ROM for are present. Just another perspective.

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I totally agree with you about the F model but not everyone has $800-1000 laying around to buy a phone out right. That's why most people go with carrier branded phones, so they can make small monthly payments and have a premium flagship every year.
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That is what credit cards are for - unless you are maxed out. Then you should not be buying things you don't really need - lol.
PS - saw one on eBay $34/month.
If you are happy with shock ROMs and modifications, then stay stock. But there ware many who got the 935T, and were very unhappy about the locked bootloader. they are the ones who should go this route.

You still miss the wifi calling feature. The simple way around that is probably setting up Google voice and have the phone calls forwarded to Hangout in case you have wifi.
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You still miss the wifi calling feature. The simple way around that is probably setting up Google voice and have the phone calls forwarded to Hangout in case you have wifi.
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True! With T-Mobile you defiantly need Wifi-Calling as their service sucks. At my home sometimes calls don't come through or go out without wifi calling.
I only switched originally for the unlimited data that I could use outside the house and for bootloaders being unlockable. But now, everybody has unlimited data, and everybody has locked bootloaders. Maybe its time to go back to the King of cellular service, Verizon.
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I have Wi-Fi working on all S7 ROMs. I believe they will have it soon on S8.
Basically just flash the correct CSC and it works.
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MicroMod777 said:
You have interest free leasing to get one??
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Until Samsung US has a program like TMO JoD, I stay with TMO. Do that and Samsung will have my money going forward.

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True! With T-Mobile you defiantly need Wifi-Calling as their service sucks. At my home sometimes calls don't come through or go out without wifi calling.
I only switched originally for the unlimited data that I could use outside the house and for bootloaders being unlockable. But now, everybody has unlimited data, and everybody has locked bootloaders. Maybe its time to go back to the King of cellular service, Verizon.
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Have fun with that lol... Since TMO has forced everyone else to go Unlimited all of their networks have been getting hammered hard because their technology can't handle it... TMO's can and they just bought up a ton of spectrum and are working on REAL 5G, not the fake 5G that Verizon and AT&T is trying to sell to people. Just take a look at this... https://www.facebook.com/JohnJLegere/videos/1672156373089908/

If it don't have wifi calling it is useless. It the main reason I came over to T-Mobile years ago. To many dead spots and zones. With wifi calling makes all the difference in the world. Us when I break it TMobile takes it back and gives me a fresh one to break lol.

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If it don't have wifi calling it is useless. It the main reason I came over to T-Mobile years ago. To many dead spots and zones. With wifi calling makes all the difference in the world. Us when I break it TMobile takes it back and gives me a fresh one to break lol.
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As I said, I have Wi-Fi calling on s7e international roms. It is being worked on for s8 and I would expect it to happen soon.
Update - it is here now:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...ility-flashable-csc-selection-v1-0-0-t3605264
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gaww said:
As I said, I have Wi-Fi calling on s7e international roms. It is being worked on for s8 and I would expect it to happen soon.
Update - it is here now:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...ility-flashable-csc-selection-v1-0-0-t3605264
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WiFi calling at least for t mobile is a kernel feature. Simply flashing a csc does not make it work. I have the international rom on my phone and I cannot get the WiFi calling to work no matter what. You can search through the link you posted to see no one could actually get the WiFi calling to work for the mobile. Unless you post a screen shot of your international phone showing that the WiFi calling actually works on the mobile network.

Actually the comments on ATT and Vz regarding 5g are inaccurate. ATT for example had been working with Samsung directly in testing New 5g technologies in certain cities....no bull****

If I buy the 955F and use on tmobile what works out of the box? Does VoLTE work and band 12?

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If I buy the 955F and use on tmobile what works out of the box? Does VoLTE work and band 12?
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According to what someone posted yesterday in the damaging thread. U can Odin flash another ver that has volte and WiFi calling and it worked. I was gonna do the same by buying a F brand, but it's messes up, where r u gonna bring it doe warranty, I think it is not in the USA. I just bought one on eBay 8+ T-Mobile brand..
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mdiaz33685 said:
According to what someone posted yesterday in the damaging thread. U can Odin flash another ver that has volte and WiFi calling and it worked. I was gonna do the same by buying a F brand, but it's messes up, where r u gonna bring it doe warranty, I think it is not in the USA. I just bought one on eBay 8+ T-Mobile brand..
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Yeah I ended up not risking it. I picked up the Verizon S8+ through the deal on Samsung ($250 off with any trade in). I flashed the unlocked firmware yesterday and everything is working on T-Mobile.

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WiFi calling at least for t mobile is a kernel feature. Simply flashing a csc does not make it work. I have the international rom on my phone and I cannot get the WiFi calling to work no matter what. You can search through the link you posted to see no one could actually get the WiFi calling to work for the mobile. Unless you post a screen shot of your international phone showing that the WiFi calling actually works on the mobile network.
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Forgot about this, but getting WiFi calling to work on international 935F is pretty universal. Did it first by flashing TMB CSC on King ROMs, and later on Echoe - no problems.
Only problem so far is with S8 Ports - WiFi calling works, but calls to other phones on the same network on LTE disconnect when answered - NO ONE has been able to get by this.

najoor said:
WiFi calling at least for t mobile is a kernel feature. Simply flashing a csc does not make it work. I have the international rom on my phone and I cannot get the WiFi calling to work no matter what. You can search through the link you posted to see no one could actually get the WiFi calling to work for the mobile. Unless you post a screen shot of your international phone showing that the WiFi calling actually works on the mobile network.
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Forgot about this, but getting WiFi calling to work on international 935F is pretty universal. Did it first by flashing TMB CSC on King ROMs, and later on Echoe - no problems. The first screenshot is before flashing CSC. The next 2 are after.
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Only problem so far is with S8 Ports - WiFi calling works, but calls to other phones on the same network on LTE disconnect when answered - NO ONE has been able to get by this.

gaww said:
For those of you that have not gotten a 935T - don't ! If you must have a S8+, get a 955f
I wasted time with a TMo 935T, and got tired of the TMo run-around and the limited options even AFTER it was rooted. My 935f gets TMo bands 2,4, and 12, and I have WiFi and VoLTE - and am not looking back. Will never buy another TMo branded device again.
As for a 955+, I will live with a S8+ port for now - don't see enough in the new device to justify getting one at this point. Plus - with Duelboot, I have 2 other ROMs up, and don't know if duelboot will handle the S8 and S8+ anytime soon.
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My wife is now stuck with it for 2 years. Was that a typo or did u have the tmobile version rooted?