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Hello All,
I hope nobody has discussed this topic. I did a search on XDA also, but no use. I would like get help from Android users on this topic.
I'm currently using Windows Mobile 6.5.x versions. I see WM is supporting Video call option over 3G. But never heard of such in Android.
Yes Android is newer than WM and yet growing (very rapidly http://www.gsmarena.com/2009_world_handset_sales_ranked_iphone_os_eats_winmo-news-1469.php ).
Is anybody aware of 3G Video call for Android phones and also a support of Secondary camera for it? If yes, please post the device name.
I had already done a complete search on phones, but if any body is using a 3rd party app for video call, yes then also please post the app name and phone on which the app is used. Also post the Android version you use!
I hope I can see a list of device names, so that I can try one Android phone.
AFAIK, the current Android kernels don't support front camera's.
Looks like the recent Android (not sure about version) is supporting secondary camera.
Samsung SHW-M120S specs say that Secondary VGA camera is available.
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Hoping for a Video call app too...
Hiya Guys,
My wife has the T-Mobile Pulse which also has a camera on the front. unfortunatly she can only make photo's with it. no calls
Would be fun to get it working. I used it on my N73 like 3 years ago. Video calling for end users hasn't picked up.
Yeah, i'm missing also videocalls on new mobiles.
Seems like HTC dropped that functionnality from all its new phones. And other brands also.
I hope some manufacturers will put back the front cam on their models.
There are some rumors about new iPhone, which will have a front cam... Maybe that will be enough for the front cam to make its come back...
lets hope...
Since the camers is on the keyboard of the new Motorola Backflip, you can have the camera on the back or front of the phone (when the keyboard is open). So far the nearest we have is QIK and that tends to crash the camera after one use. Hopefully an app will come out?.?.?.?
There is nothing special about front camera which needs to be "supported" in kernel.
Implementation of a front camera is not done because android doesn't have a default video dialer. And while now there is at least one app which supports video conferencing, namely fring, phone makers do not make phones to suit a single application.
Yeah, videocalling on android would be pretty awesome. I use it quite often, and my girlfriend uses it all the time because that is the only way she can call her parents who are deaf.
Right now I'm using HTC Diamond but I'm searching for a nice HTC Magic to buy. It's pretty cheap and seems to be nice intro to Android world.
Saygus Vphone
the Saygus Vphone is supposedly going to be released this month on the verizon net work and thats its big claim to fame is 3G video calling, phone is like a moto droid with sliding keyboard, front camera
There's an app called Knocking that is an one-way video feed that works well. It is choppy but I look forward to future improvements as well as the addition of two-way feed.
dglavich said:
the Saygus Vphone is supposedly going to be released this month on the verizon net work and thats its big claim to fame is 3G video calling, phone is like a moto droid with sliding keyboard, front camera
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Link to the release of this phone?
Can't we just get like the files off the HTC Evo as that has a front facing camera, or does the WiMax and CDMA make it a bit harder for the GSM 3G users?
Qik is coming!
the saygus vphone will support it...although, no word on when it will come out (rumored to be may) but no updated news...could be like the others and slip a month...HOWEVER, the press release from sprint just revealed that there would be an "upgrade" available from Qik, at the time the EVO comes out -June 4th! which would enable mobile to mobile video calls or mobile to desktop. It was actually demonstrated tonight at their release event, although it had a few snags...should be good to go in a couple weeks though.
Hello All,
Well I am jsu another cray person like Balaji who started the tread who is like hungry for the front facing cam as the market has FRING offer video @ wifi and 3G. which is like pretty cool stuff. Also i did do a research that Android has the front feature option Taking the android tablets floating around. Will We have the ported WM phone use the front cam like the Kaiser or Touch HD . Inputs appreciated !!
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the Saygus Vphone is supposedly going to be released this month on the verizon net work and thats its big claim to fame is 3G video calling, phone is like a moto droid with sliding keyboard, front camera
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This is a good development. It will be cool to have this feature since the cam is now an indispensable gadget that captures every important moment.
fring use internrt for video calling same as skype, win phone , symbian use 3g network for vid calling..
this is why i still dont buy android phones.. i got 60hrs free vid call per month.. over 3g not internet!!...
I heard gingerbead (android 2.3) support for video call, but i dunno that support 3g network video calling
I looking this feature too, that's why I dont buy android phone, coz I cant make video call over 3g network
well, maybe you can take your time to review this phone since it use froyo inside and have a videocall front camera. but i dunno is it over 3rd party apps or built in.
I have no idea wht you guys are talking about. I have video calling on my HTC EVO using it's front camera. The phone came with Qik on it but I dont like it that much. It's too buggy, the same with Fling. The best I find is Tango which is available on the market. Also the new Gingerbread coming from Android will have it's own video calling app. so you wont have to use a third party app. Bar none the EVO is the best phone , I beleive , out there. Going back as far as the TY-TNII there have been phones with video calling (front ) cameras installed.
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I have no idea wht you guys are talking about. I have video calling on my HTC EVO using it's front camera. The phone came with Qik on it but I dont like it that much. It's too buggy, the same with Fling. The best I find is Tango which is available on the market. Also the new Gingerbread coming from Android will have it's own video calling app. so you wont have to use a third party app. Bar none the EVO is the best phone , I beleive , out there. Going back as far as the TY-TNII there have been phones with video calling (front ) cameras installed.
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this video calling in gingerbread, is it over 3g network or wi-fi only? i think it would be great if it can make a video call to other phone over 3g network
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this video calling in gingerbread, is it over 3g network or wi-fi only? i think it would be great if it can make a video call to other phone over 3g network
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??? you can make video calls even now on froyo.. been doing it for quite some time now.. you can make video chat/call using yahoo messenger, fring, tango and qik on 3G network..
I misposted this in the wrong thread so I thought I'd get a wider set of opinions. While I realize that there are "legalities" surrounding the issue, I can't imagine that someone hasn't developed a simple ICR app for WP7. Any ideas?
In Idaho, such an app isn't illegal so I believe it is a legitimate app. I am not sure what Microsoft might have but Google has an easy app creator... Have you ever thought of making an app such as this? Obviously, I don't know your local laws and don't condone illegal activity.
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An app such as this is not possible as Microsoft has essentially sandboxed all call related activity. To make a call in an app, the app basically submits the number to the phone app which then makes the call if it is approved by the user. After the approval, the app is terminated (tombstoned if you want to get technical).
Maybe it will be possible with Mango.
google: can we tape?
Obviously, check your local/state/federal laws for any updates and changes to the statutes...
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google: can we tape?
Obviously, check your local/state/federal laws for any updates and changes to the statutes...
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Thank you, but I'm not even remotely interested in the legalities. Nor am I interested in breaking any laws. I simply want to record calls to ensure that I don't miss any details in some of my more complex business situations. You concern is noted. Now if someone could just create the app I'd gladly pay for it!
Seriously has anyone come up with a program yet ???
This should be legal in many areas...
Here's something i found after looking around for a minute.
The U.S. federal law allows recording of phone calls and other electronic communications with the consent of at least one party to the call. A majority of the states and territories have adopted wiretapping statutes based on the federal law, although most have also extended the law to cover in-person conversations. 38 states and the D.C. permit recording telephone conversations to which they are a party without informing the other parties that they are doing so.
12 states require, under most circumstances, the consent of all parties to a conversation. Those jurisdictions are California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington.
It is illegal under all jurisdictions to record calls in which one is not a party.
*If you are recording your own call (to which you are a party and consenting) it should be legal, unless you live within one of the 12 states where you need both parties to consent. Hope this helps all who were a little worried about the legality of it all.
Thank you Funkadube! You rock the his-ouse! Now lets get cracking on that ICR. I know my old Energy roms had them built into the dialer options. And I can't tell you how many times that stuff saved my but. Like when you're talking to wife to see what all you need from the store. Like when the boss calls you with 300 requests. Or if someone gives you phone number over the call and you dont have time to write it down. Its awesome to have that function on a smartphone.
It is not very interesting to know what this or that national law says about recording. The phone is for international market, and it is ridicilous to tie all the world because some states have this or that legislation.
I am journalist and so far I have always used Nokia phones because I can tape my calls digitally. It is my first preference when choosing a phone. Is it really impossibe to make a phone software for the world, not for a state?
I think its not complete true. I use Samsung Focus and I can switch on camera while answering a call and if I switch on speaker too then I can record both side conversation. I believe that its matter of time if someone figure out and develop a application for call recording......
However, talking law, then why is all other phone other then windows phone have features to record calls? is Microsoft a law loving company???? you are kidding me !!!
Any smartphone can do recording thru speaker, but it is not a solution. I use handsfree when writing. Then recording thru phone mic and speaker will not work. Recording has been intentionally blocked in WP. Its real pity, because WP seems most advanced mobile OS right, but to use it I need changes to it, a good jailbreak, or a third hand.
Hi All,
There is a new app in marketplace called "call recorder"
Bye
I don't care about Carrier IQ or who did remove it, Carrier IQ is suppose to help sprint and sprint already has a network to track people and they own the network, they can look at your browsing history and text messages.
Hell they might keep log on calls but they might have limited access to your phone to check on the signal strengths and CIQ is suppose to help sprint get better coverage.
So please stop giving people false hope
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm interesting very interesting
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.... Did you guys see who was first ?
Removing it makes the device run faster with no ill side effects, so I'm in.
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Removing it makes the device run faster with no ill side effects, so I'm in.
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That because of the Ext4, tweaks and Overclocking
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Removing it makes the device run faster with no ill side effects, so I'm in.
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Is there a comparison somewhere, or are we just assuming?
Serious question, not being sarcastic.
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Is there a comparison somewhere, or are we just assuming?
Serious question, not being sarcastic.
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Systems and Frameworks with no CIQ scored higher in benchmarks back when we first started removing it, but it's been so long that I can't remember by how much.
Do we even know who is responsible maybe it was samsung and they do not have access to all that data like sprint does other than by using a program like CIQ. Not sure if its in other samsung phones but maybe sprint is the only one that let them include it?
Before people start jumping on the "Keep it" or "Remove it" bandwagons, they should probably educate themselves on the product. People can simply go to their website and inform themselves before making said decision (the company is pretty open about what their products do). I personally don't care if it is there or not. I don't believe Sprint is even taking advantage of the full capability of Carrier IQ ( Some of the logging and such is off by default).
On another note, Carrier IQ has the potential to collect metrics about much more the signal strength; this isn't the only purpose of the software. And depending on what it collects, how it collects, and how often, it can certainly lead to performance and battery degradation.
Finally, I think it would be smarter if Sprint was upfront about the benefits of such metric collecting software on their devices, AND gave the customer the ability to opt in or out. I actually opted into something similar back in my Windows Mobile days (albeit the company payed me each month for opting in. It was a few bucks each month, and basically covered the cost of my data plan). Software like this CAN BE BENEFICIAL!! My 2 cents...
Ryan
Benchmarks only help show improvements in tweaks imo. Real world my phone feels the same whether im hittin 2000 or 2500 on quadrant. Not to mention I saw 2600+ well before ciq removal goin back to one of the leaked froyo builds.
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Ciq was not being used at all really.. but the service was running. Killing extra running services that are useless is always a good thing an noone can really argue that. The paranoia behind CIQ was propaganda for the most part. It has/had potential to be infringing, but sprint doesn't need it to track us or infringe on our privacy. I am certain that battery life, smoothness, and stability have all increased since removal. It's my opinion, and that's all that matters... my latest rom is by far the smoothest and most stable I've ever used. Is it noCIQ? Not entirely, but I will continue to remove it because I feel like its part of the equation.
So yea bull**** sorta, but it makes people feel good and it makes my phone feel good..
I'm with the noobnl about this CIQ paranoia. If you have an android phone, Google and Sprint already have your entire contact list, emails, all your locations, your list of apps, visited web sites, etc, WITHOUT using any spyware. As I understand it CIQ gives them lots of data about network parameters that help Sprint tune their network. I'm all for that.
I haven't seen a direct performance and battery life comparison between an identical rom with and without CIQ. I also don't care about benchmarks, I just want a phone that doesn't lag and has a battery that lasts all day.
Seems to me that if you are concerned about CIQ spying on you, you probably shouldn't use a smartphone in the first place.....maybe you shouldn't even carry a cell phone.
CIQ = Unproven threat
Built-in FM Radio = Vapor
Built-in TV-OUT = Vapor
EXT4 OFF over EXT4 ON/RFS = sacrifice stability for e-peen scores (lack of best practices mentality).
It probably does collect information that could benefit us, sprint, service, support, products ect. BUT, since it's off by default, it's not doing much, so its better in my opinion to have it removed.
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As long as I've had ****ty 3g speeds and having to resend text multiple times because they failed to go through 2 or 3 times before I'm pretty convinced Sprint don't give 2 ****s about how good my service is. I'll go without CIQ anyday.
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I don't care about Carrier IQ or who did remove it, Carrier IQ is suppose to help sprint and sprint already has a network to track people and they own the network, they can look at your browsing history and text messages.
Hell they might keep log on calls but they might have limited access to your phone to check on the signal strengths and CIQ is suppose to help sprint get better coverage.
So please stop giving people false hope
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Lol thanks noobni I like your style just read the request bout you helping with cm7 an the discussion about ciq then I saw this thread had too laugh.
I honestly don't think it's as malicious as the ACS team put it, but it does slow things down (even if by a little). And the less services running in the background for myself, the better.
I'm not sure where I stand I see no performance improvement with no ciq. How ever sprint hasn't stolen my identity either so mabye its not such a big deal
Just thought I would throw in my 2cents on this topic.
Facts we publicly know:
CarrierIQ has access to every aspect of interaction between the device and the user.
CarrierIQ has the ability to log all data it has access to.
CarrierIQ has the ability to transmit all data it has access to.
Removal of CarrierIQ, as stated by both Sprint & Samsung, will void your warranty.
What Software packages of this type are capable of:
Logging and transmission of data may be enabled without notification of the user at any time via alpha-numeric string sent via SMS or MMS, via the CDMA Network, WiFi or Bluetooth.
The ability to disable geo-tagging in the latest FROYO release. Now CarrierIQ has the ability to know where you take your pictures. It may even have the ability to transmit said pictures along with its embedded GPS information.
It has the ability to monitor call information, tower location, signal strength, did the call drop, etc., to improve the Sprint network. But CarrierIQ is so invasive that it has the ability to also know, what number you were talking to, what name if any it is associated with in your contacts, how often and how long you talk to that number, are they also your friend on social networking sites if you sync with those sites. Why does Sprint need this level of "metrics"?
Does it know whats on your calendar? How many alarms you set and what for? Why does Sprint need to know this?
Every application you use, the type, how often and for how long. Why?
Every key stroke via hardware or software based keyboards. Every every text message you send or receive, every user name, every password can now be logged.
The possibilities are almost endless.
As we all know, Sprint is not the most "secure" wireless carrier. Sprint's past is riddled with employee's "stealing" customer information and fraud. Can you actually tell me with a straight face that you trust them with this type of invasive capability? Or look at it another way, can you trust the source code, the or those who hack for malicious purposes? Think identity theft, think personal and family safety.
I'm not worried about Sprint gathering info. Anyone with a smart/cell phone, internet, cable tv, or walks outside is already having their activities monitored. But I put custom ROMs on my phones because I want a streamlined experience that I like. Take out what I don't need and give me only what I want. If CIQ were that beneficial to Sprint, they would tell us why we should keep it in our ROMs. They know it's been taken out in a lot of ROMs, they're not blind. As far as I can see it is one less running service and that means better performance and battery. I consider it bloatware. If you're gonna argue that CIQ removal is unnecessary, then so are the Sprint apps noone uses..
Also, the EVO has CIQ, so it's not just a Samsung thing. And the noCIQ ROM I have on my wife's EVO runs smooth as butter and has excellent battery life. Of course it's more than just the noCIQ, but every little bit helps.
Seems to me the only people that would argue against CIQ removal are Sprint advocates and those jealous they didn't figure out how to do it.
So hypothetically is there any way to enable only the basic 'metrics' collecting as it pertains only to signal strength, etc, and remove the more specific data mining? My disgust with all surveillance aside, I think this is an issue because this is created by a third party, therefore I am guessing they have access to anything it could access, even if they dont use it already, who are THEY selling this to? I really dont think this has a lot to do with sprint and homeland insecurity breaking your door down for whatever it is you do, but more for the typical corporate data mining for marketing, and other BS... kind of like how FB's ads are predictive based on your friends, likes, etc. This is what I would like to lose. I also really doubt they cannot collect this information using servers on their side, instead of making our phones do all the work (if they were polled), we all know all carriers, isp's , etc can track and record pretty much everything we do, google does it, but thats part of the reason for having an android. As far as law enforcement goes, they can already get anything that would be relevant in a real court on their side, now analyzing your personality and behavior and schedule is the crap that 'law enforcement' has taken too far... think 1984.
Anyways, so I guess it boils down to this, is there a way to keep only the signal strength features, IF they cause us little to nothing as far as battery or performance? I dont mind that stuff, but the more invasive aspects, I dont like making it any easier for a pig or marketing douche to figure out how to better sell to me until they decide to lock me up I have seen CIQ removed in parts (Chris41g?), but it would be nice to have a breakdown of what is kept and what is removed (Chris if you already have, sorry haven't looked at your thread lateley, but might today ).
oh, and final bit, the reason I am so skeptical about the third party aspect is that that enables corporations, and the government, to point the finger at someone else, and in Govts case, access info they would need a warrant for otherwise (even if they only had to get it after the fact)... this is how FBI and CIA share information, the 'patriot' acts and the others that went with it pretty much set this up, we dont really have privicy anymore, unless you wanna join Ice-T and the lo-Teks.
Skype just updated it's android application to version 2.1 which now has support for 20 devices and support for video calls for devices running android 2.2+ :
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ncluding-evo-3d4g-thunderbolt-sgs12-and-more/
I have an HTC Desire HD , did the update and in spite of only having one cam on the back, it is really supporting video calls as I made a test call and it shows the Desire HD's cam (in America HTC EVO) image ( I guess I have to put the device in front of a mirror if I want people to see me )
Anyway sadly enough it still does not support Honeycomb, thus our ASUS Transformer tablets, I perform the update on the ASUS Transformer, but still it doesn't show video conferencing options... Maybe this time some developer will hack it for us....
This is the only thing i envy ipads, they have facetime and we have nothing... well crappy gtalk and some other ones that nobody uses.
Update didnt change anything on my transformer or nexus one.. still no video call.
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This is the only thing i envy ipads, they have facetime and we have nothing... well crappy gtalk and some other ones that nobody uses.
Update didnt change anything on my transformer or nexus one.. still no video call.
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Looks like you forgot about the coming of google+. Did you?
Well, here's hoping that someone hacks the APK to give us some video calling love soon
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Well, here's hoping that someone hacks the APK to give us some video calling love soon
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I agree. And when they do it successfully, they are going to have to fight off the thank yous and open a Swiss bank account from all the donations.
Have you kissed a Developer's ass today?
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This is the only thing i envy ipads, they have facetime and we have nothing... well crappy gtalk and some other ones that nobody uses.
Update didnt change anything on my transformer or nexus one.. still no video call.
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Not only that, but an IPad version of Skype also was released this week with video calls capability!
LOL, this means that the Toshiba Folio 100 that I soled for my transformer supports video calls in skype now...
I'm sure we will get video support... but when :S
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Not only that, but an IPad version of Skype also was released this week with video calls capability!
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It took Skype over a year to come out with Ipad version, let's hope it doesn't take this long for HC...
I wouldn't get my hopes up. I read an article saying that they are now focusing their efforts on the Windows Phone platform. Makes sense since Microsoft bought them (/is buying them).
I wonder why Skype are so reticent to adding video calling to Honeycomb tablets. nVidia demoed Skype HD running on Tegra 2 back as early as January of this year. But I haven't heard anything since just the rather lame excuse of only having it supported on a limited number of Android devices and that more would be coming soon. When Google release Ice Cream Sandwich which is supposed to unify tablets and smartphones, I wonder what will happen then. Will Skype still be trying to switch video support on and off for different devices.
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I wonder why Skype are so reticent to adding video calling to Honeycomb tablets. nVidia demoed Skype HD running on Tegra 2 back as early as January of this year. But I haven't heard anything since just the rather lame excuse of only having it supported on a limited number of Android devices and that more would be coming soon. When Google release Ice Cream Sandwich which is supposed to unify tablets and smartphones, I wonder what will happen then. Will Skype still be trying to switch video support on and off for different devices.
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Forget mobile platforms, Skype can't even manage to code proper software on the desktop. Not only have they not made Skype compatible with most high-def webcams, they've actually gone out of their way to make it *incompatible* intentionally, with all but one specific brand's webcams.
Getting high-def video working on Skype for Windows is possible, but requires you to run an old version, avoid it getting automatically updated to a newer version, and then manually editing files to get it to accept the video feed at the right resolution.
Until they get their act together on other platforms, I really don't see things improving on Android at any significant rate.
The new skype app also has this annoying feature that everytime you get network connection it starts Skype by itself.
I used to be able to use "Kill Skype" to kill it, now I have to log out from Skype.
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No, because google+ sucks and must be avoided.
However, I thought skype said it works on the Xoom ? So its just them slacking. And its very dubious programming behavior to check your app against a list to see if it works. - just do it right.
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No, because google+ sucks and must be avoided.
However, I thought skype said it works on the Xoom ? So its just them slacking. And its very dubious programming behavior to check your app against a list to see if it works. - just do it right.
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I myself do not think that Google+ sucks, in fact I find it quite good. But I am an old and regular user of Skype I even have paid packages to make skypeout calls and I have many friends and family members in Skype all living abroad, so the audio and video calls are truly a blessing and justified thing for me, not a luxury or a "nice-to-have" option. Right now, whether we like it or not, Skype is a much more popular, thus massive , platform than google talk or google+ , so it would really make my day when Skype brings video capability to Android 3.0+.
On the iPhone, if you record a video of any length in any format, including 1080p, you can still send it as an MMS. Granted, it will look grainy and choppy, but it will automatically compress.
The Optimus G will do this as well, with one extra step (agree to edit, then just click save and it will compress and send). This makes the Optimus G the first Android phone with this functionality.
Is there an app that will do this on the Nexus 4? I'm aware of the option to record in MMS quality and I have looked at several video trimming apps. What I'm looking for is an app that actually automatically compresses a recorded video down to the maximum allowed MMS size (~600kb) and lets me send it.
There has to be a way. LG figured it out. I can't believe there's no app out there that does this.
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On the iPhone, if you record a video of any length in any format, including 1080p, you can still send it as an MMS. Granted, it will look grainy and choppy, but it will automatically compress.
The Optimus G will do this as well, with one extra step (agree to edit, then just click save and it will compress and send). This makes the Optimus G the first Android phone with this functionality.
Is there an app that will do this on the Nexus 4? I'm aware of the option to record in MMS quality and I have looked at several video trimming apps. What I'm looking for is an app that actually automatically compresses a recorded video down to the maximum allowed MMS size (~600kb) and lets me send it.
There has to be a way. LG figured it out. I can't believe there's no app out there that does this.
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Unfortunately I'm not here with an answer, just chiming in.
It is baffling that this functionality still isn't present in stock Android.
iPhone users have had this capability for years now. It's somewhat embarrassing, and a major PITA for Android users to have to embark on a multi-step process simply to mms a short video clip to a friend.
Android users usually respond with the following suggestions (many stating that it's 'no big deal' but they're lying to themselves)
- Upload the clip to youtube and share the link
----Too many steps, and I don't want to put every single video clip up on Youtube.
- Use a video editing app to crop/downscale the video
---- Again, to many steps, multiple apps
- Take the video from WITHIN the mms app (which automatically uses a lower video quality that will keep file size down)
---- Unacceptable. I prefer to take all of my videos in HD, and won't sacrifice quality simply to be able to send it straight to someone via MMS
I think a lot of Android users are making a major concession here. The entire text/mms experience on Android is a mess. Group texting with other device users is a nightmare. Conversations splinter off into one-on-one conversations for Android users, requiring third party texting apps to enable group text capabilities. This is one area where I'll openly admit that iOS has Android stomped, and to come to Android's defense on this issue will only result in us having a crappy experience for even longer. /Rant
Sorry, it's late, and I'm a little punchy.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=roman10.media.converter
Forgive me, but this core and important function is something I've never before thought of needing. One play search seemed to sort it. While we're on the subject, I recently had to use an iPad for recording interviews, and upload them via drop box. The auto 1080p format then took nearly forever to upload. It took a paid app to lower the resolution and a variety of rather frustrating steps to upload to db. I can't believe apple have survived with all this unacceptability! (Yeah, most of these rants are quite pointless)
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kboya said:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=roman10.media.converter
Forgive me, but this core and important function is something I've never before thought of needing. One play search seemed to sort it. While we're on the subject, I recently had to use an iPad for recording interviews, and upload them via drop box. The auto 1080p format then took nearly forever to upload. It took a paid app to lower the resolution and a variety of rather frustrating steps to upload to db. I can't believe apple have survived with all this unacceptability! (Yeah, most of these rants are quite pointless)
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A media converter is not a solution for this issue.
We are talkjng about seamless and timely communication, not just the capability to edit video (quality).
Yoir response makes me wonder if you've ever communicated with anybody via text/mms.
Time is of the essence. To be able to shoot a 30 second video, pop it straight in to an mms exchange and hit send is a a major convenience, and one that should be ubiquitous in the mobile arena by now.
Your dropbox scenario is not even in the same vein as this issue. This an issue of major inconvenience in the way that many people communicate regularly.
For some perspective on how prevslebt your quandry is in comparison, consider thst there are aboit 100m Dropbox users in the world but there are about 4.1B text messages sent EVERY DAY just in the USA...
So your issue is certainly not as prevalent as one that impscts sms/mms negatively. Dropbox is hardly your only option for achieving your end goal in your example, whereas we are stuck with an antiqued mms/sms platform on Android.
I love android, which is why I just picked up a Galaxy Note 2, but I really wish people would stop downplaying glaring flaws such as this.
Certainly we can jump through a couple of apps and juggle a couple of files to ultimately send an mms video, but is clunky and slow, and if you're on the move, its just not practical.
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Hah. Archa1c, This issue, were it so disabling, would surely be no1 topic on every board. I take your point, but feel you are overstating it, more so than anyone who underplays it.
If you wish to make thinly veiled insults, fine. Your response makes me me wonder if
1. You've ever used email(much larger file sizes, and 144.8 billion a day)
2. You understand the notion of a smartphone as a platform on which functionality may be added in highly specialised and personally tailored ways.
The slogan 'there's an app for that' springs to mind. Isn't this the point? Not to have everything fixed and there (and limited), but to be able to add functionality as your need takes you. Maybe you could build an app that does what you wish it to do, or petition a dev to build it for you.
Lastly, as the skilled communicator that you clearly are (and in so many media) need you be quite so abrasive?
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kboya said:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=roman10.media.converter
Forgive me, but this core and important function is something I've never before thought of needing. One play search seemed to sort it. While we're on the subject, I recently had to use an iPad for recording interviews, and upload them via drop box. The auto 1080p format then took nearly forever to upload. It took a paid app to lower the resolution and a variety of rather frustrating steps to upload to db. I can't believe apple have survived with all this unacceptability! (Yeah, most of these rants are quite pointless)
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Yeah, that app doesn't work. I have tried it, along with every other app that claims to have the function.
Up until my Optimus G, no other phone, other than iPhone could do this seamlessly. I can't believe there still isn't an app that can duplicate this functionality. I can't be the only one who desires this. I switched back to an iPhone several times just to get this functionality back.
Sometimes, it's the simple things that matter.
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kboya said:
Hah. Archa1c, This issue, were it so disabling, would surely be no1 topic on every board. I take your point, but feel you are overstating it, more so than anyone who underplays it.
If you wish to make thinly veiled insults, fine. Your response makes me me wonder if
1. You've ever used email(much larger file sizes, and 144.8 billion a day)
2. You understand the notion of a smartphone as a platform on which functionality may be added in highly specialised and personally tailored ways.
The slogan 'there's an app for that' springs to mind. Isn't this the point? Not to have everything fixed and there (and limited), but to be able to add functionality as your need takes you. Maybe you could build an app that does what you wish it to do, or petition a dev to build it for you.
Lastly, as the skilled communicator that you clearly are (and in so many media) need you be quite so abrasive?
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Sorry for coming off as abrasive, but your patronizing and condescending tone was off-putting.
Clearly we hold this issue at quite different levels of priority. I think that must be attributed to us communicating with friends in very different ways.
The simplicity and functionality that some Android hardware device manufacturers (and Apple) have decided to put into their messaging code in the form of easy media sharing via MMS shows that there is clearly demand for it.
Again you've proposed an insufficient alternative with email. Every phone supports SMS, but many people do not use email regularly on their phones. I cannot be expected to know what the capabilities are of each recipient.
You don't need to come to Android's defense or sell me on the OS. I'm already a multi-device user and I love it, but thst doesn't mean I should just accept the bad with the good.
You also don't have to tell me about iOS' shortcomings. I know. That's why I have my Note 2 and Galaxy Tab.
I maintain that SMS and MMS on Android is embarrassingly primitive compared to the competition. And unfortunately there IS NOT 'an app for that'.
With love, your brother in Android.
- Archa1c
PS- what's my best option for good keyboard Autocorrect while maintaining the stock Samsung keyboard? (I prefer this keyboard to swiftkey's)
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archa1c said:
Sorry for coming off as abrasive, but your patronizing and condescending tone was off-putting.
Clearly we hold this issue at quite different levels of priority. I think that must be attributed to us communicating with friends in very different ways.
The simplicity and functionality that some Android hardware device manufacturers (and Apple) have decided to put into their messaging code in the form of easy media sharing via MMS shows that there is clearly demand for it.
Again you've proposed an insufficient alternative with email. Every phone supports SMS, but many people do not use email regularly on their phones. I cannot be expected to know what the capabilities are of each recipient.
You don't need to come to Android's defense or sell me on the OS. I'm already a multi-device user and I love it, but thst doesn't mean I should just accept the bad with the good.
You also don't have to tell me about iOS' shortcomings. I know. That's why I have my Note 2 and Galaxy Tab.
I maintain that SMS and MMS on Android is embarrassingly primitive compared to the competition. And unfortunately there IS NOT 'an app for that'.
With love, your brother in Android.
- Archa1c
PS- what's my best option for good keyboard Autocorrect while maintaining the stock Samsung keyboard? (I prefer this keyboard to swiftkey's)
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I actually find Samsung's keyboard to be slightly laggy (and don't get me started on the auto correction). I recommend Swiftkey 3, or the stock new Jelly Bean keyboard on the play store. The stock Jelly Bean is actually very good, though you'll probably miss the numbers row.
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greyhulk said:
I actually find Samsung's keyboard to be slightly laggy (and don't get me started on the auto correction). I recommend Swiftkey 3, or the stock new Jelly Bean keyboard on the play store. The stock Jelly Bean is actually very good, though you'll probably miss the numbers row.
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The numbers row!
Thats exactly what im trying to maintain while also having good Autocorrect. The blue word suggestions are spot-on, but I wish it would just select them rather than requiring me to tap the suggested word... Maybe if I go back and edit my "typing style"?...
Good talk.
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Unfortunately I'm not here with an answer, just chiming in.
It is baffling that this functionality still isn't present in stock Android.
iPhone users have had this capability for years now. It's somewhat embarrassing, and a major PITA for Android users to have to embark on a multi-step process simply to mms a short video clip to a friend.
Android users usually respond with the following suggestions (many stating that it's 'no big deal' but they're lying to themselves)
- Upload the clip to youtube and share the link
----Too many steps, and I don't want to put every single video clip up on Youtube.
- Use a video editing app to crop/downscale the video
---- Again, to many steps, multiple apps
- Take the video from WITHIN the mms app (which automatically uses a lower video quality that will keep file size down)
---- Unacceptable. I prefer to take all of my videos in HD, and won't sacrifice quality simply to be able to send it straight to someone via MMS
I think a lot of Android users are making a major concession here. The entire text/mms experience on Android is a mess. Group texting with other device users is a nightmare. Conversations splinter off into one-on-one conversations for Android users, requiring third party texting apps to enable group text capabilities. This is one area where I'll openly admit that iOS has Android stomped, and to come to Android's defense on this issue will only result in us having a crappy experience for even longer. /Rant
Sorry, it's late, and I'm a little punchy.
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I agree completely. Coming from an iPhone to a Galaxy Note II the lack of this functionality baffles me. Have you found any better solutions yet? Do any of the custom ROMs add this feature?
archa1c said:
Sorry for coming off as abrasive, but your patronizing and condescending tone was off-putting.
Clearly we hold this issue at quite different levels of priority. I think that must be attributed to us communicating with friends in very different ways.
The simplicity and functionality that some Android hardware device manufacturers (and Apple) have decided to put into their messaging code in the form of easy media sharing via MMS shows that there is clearly demand for it.
Again you've proposed an insufficient alternative with email. Every phone supports SMS, but many people do not use email regularly on their phones. I cannot be expected to know what the capabilities are of each recipient.
You don't need to come to Android's defense or sell me on the OS. I'm already a multi-device user and I love it, but thst doesn't mean I should just accept the bad with the good.
You also don't have to tell me about iOS' shortcomings. I know. That's why I have my Note 2 and Galaxy Tab.
I maintain that SMS and MMS on Android is embarrassingly primitive compared to the competition. And unfortunately there IS NOT 'an app for that'.
With love, your brother in Android.
- Archa1c
PS- what's my best option for good keyboard Autocorrect while maintaining the stock Samsung keyboard? (I prefer this keyboard to swiftkey's)
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You're wrong if you read the original post 1080p video recording isn't available to every phone that supports SMS. Only high end smart phones that also have email capabilities support this.
Phone : Nexus 4 /Rom : cataclysm / Kernel : Stock.
I as well recently switched from an iPhone to an Android device and was amazed to find out that I no longer have the ability to send a video over mms. I would have thought that there was an app for that but have not found one to date. IOS does this as seamless as sending a photo over mms, Why cant android do the same?
Yeah I know this is really old but is there a fix yet? Just coming from ios I had no idea this was an issue. What a huge issue if it's.