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Should you upgrade your Moto G to 4.4.2 or 4.4.4?

Simple answer - NO.
When a new software release is made for an OS, all the developers would have done is test it on a very few devices within the developers and then roll it out to testers. And after analyzing the bugs identified from these testers, the developers sit on fixing it and finally come up with a release. Now would this release be bug-less? Absolutely not! Remember, its only been tested amongst a very few number of people and the rolling out happens to thousands residing in different parts of the world. If you think about it, what these updates are gonna deal with is a varied number of users, different carriers, sim make etc etc.
Take for example, for Indian users, the 4.4.2 update has been rolled out for quite a while. Lots of bugs were identified since then and the forum managers have been collecting data from the subscribers for quite a while now (Almost 4 months). Still the fix has not happened. And now 4.4.4 is out and issues persist.
I hvae been using 4.3, 4.4.2, then CM11, Mokee ROM etc etc, and now Im finally back to stock 4.3, coz thats the most stable version. So if you are someone who is interested in trying out new releases, please go ahead, but if you are someone who needs a stable ROM with no signal drop issues, please stick to 4.3.

totally disagree. I have european version Moto G with stock 4.4.2 and everything is working perfeclty. Try to wipe you Moto or flash any other rom.

seems like pebkac not buggy firmware . otherwise every single guy would be facing same problems and that's not happening .

ovitz said:
totally disagree. I have european version Moto G with stock 4.4.2 and everything is working perfeclty. Try to wipe you Moto or flash any other rom.
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Just to clarify, did you receive an update package sometime after the primary update?

4.4.3 works fine on my US GSM moto G. But it might be different for others.
Also, add a warning to the OP that if you're already on 4.4.3+, you can't downgrade anymore. Motoboot from 4.4.3+ doesn't seem to like downgrading anymore, unfortunately.

4.2.2 works great, no signal drops or anything. Waiting for eupean 4.4.4. :good:
Sent from my XT1032 using Tapatalk

Question is whether downgrading is possible from 4.4.4 ?

I totally agree to ovitz. Updates are supposed to fix issues with older versions of the software. My moto came with 4.4.2 and i never had issues with signal drops. I am from India. Btw it's always better to reset phone after the update.

I agree with you OP on some extent. I also recently downgraded to 4.3 from 4.4.2 just for the lulz, because I was getting "image is too large" error but surprisingly today the flashing was successful. The battery timing has improved, dialer app is cooler than that of the 4.4.2. I'm finding these changes quite interesting because I didn't stay with 4.3 for too long; my Moto G received the KitKat update the moment I powered it on for the first time.

techpick said:
Simple answer - NO.
When a new software release is made for an OS, all the developers would have done is test it on a very few devices within the developers and then roll it out to testers. And after analyzing the bugs identified from these testers, the developers sit on fixing it and finally come up with a release. Now would this release be bug-less? Absolutely not! Remember, its only been tested amongst a very few number of people and the rolling out happens to thousands residing in different parts of the world. If you think about it, what these updates are gonna deal with is a varied number of users, different carriers, sim make etc etc.
Take for example, for Indian users, the 4.4.2 update has been rolled out for quite a while. Lots of bugs were identified since then and the forum managers have been collecting data from the subscribers for quite a while now (Almost 4 months). Still the fix has not happened. And now 4.4.4 is out and issues persist.
I hvae been using 4.3, 4.4.2, then CM11, Mokee ROM etc etc, and now Im finally back to stock 4.3, coz thats the most stable version. So if you are someone who is interested in trying out new releases, please go ahead, but if you are someone who needs a stable ROM with no signal drop issues, please stick to 4.3.
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While I do agree with you for most of what you said, not everyone has bugs or issues with their phones on 4.4.3/4.4.4 upgrade. I myself has had one bug that came with the phone since 4.3 and it's worst now on 4.4.3 and ironically, I've gotten all the bugs on the 4.4.3 that others were getting on 4.4.2. I ended up putting on CM11 because it was getting to me.
P.S. It's impossible to downgrade from 4.4.3/4.4.4. I would love to downgrade back to 4.3. Never got the chance to see how it behaved on my phone because I updated to 4.4.2 the moment I booted for the first time.

Did I mention the "Sign in to WiFi" error on the 4.4.2? That's annoying as hell.

usertag said:
Question is whether downgrading is possible from 4.4.4 ?
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It is possible!, download the 4.4 official ROM and do a fastboot and install all the IMG files.
Thats how I did it,

chrisdf said:
It is possible!, download the 4.4 official ROM and do a fastboot and install all the IMG files.
Thats how I did it,
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but you can't downgrade the bootloader, so didn't you get any errors?

Not that guy, Don't touch the motoboot and you should be fine

There's no point of updating your phone unless youare receiving it over OTA. Doing it manually is risky. The only thing that you'll get is new AOSP dialer and few security fixes. There's no reward..no improvement in performance as well as in camera quality. People are reporting bugs all over the globe and they desperatly want to switch back to 4.4.2. Few have them are also facing downgrading issues.
And you want to go through all this for just a minor update? Android L could be a good reason as it is worth updating even after bugs. But a minor update is definitely not.
If some one will ask me which is best ROM for my moto g? I would say Stock 4.4.2. I tried all custom ROMs but no one was as smooth as stock 4.4.2.
Consequences be damn'ed.

Simple answer- yeah, well, that's just like your opinion man.
Indian user. Unlocker my bootloader, Converted to GPE while on 4.4.2. The GpE move was made partly because I had jo desire nor the use if a second sim and mostly because I wanted a clean OS. Period.
Got instant OTA update to 4.4.4 to the day it was pushed.
No issues so far, None in fact and it's been over a week or thereabouts(I admit to the likelihood of me being an isolated case)
Lastly, to each his own.
Android is meant to be taken care of AS WELL tinker every single detail or option if you have the cojones for it. Ciao.
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Sent from my XT1032 using XDA Free mobile app

I have just upgrade to 4.4.4 XT1033 (Malaysian), noted the missing 2 empty simcard icone and new rather flat dialer! nothing much has changed and certainly hasn't noticed any issue mentioned herein!

If one were to go by op opinion then they would be using 4.3 for the rest of the devices life ! I wonder what his comment would be once L comes to our device.

I have to disagree the OP as an xt1033 owner since march 2014.
Android 4.4.4 OTA for moto g helps fix various sw issues and increased performance,new baseband to aid the radio issues. Media playback is improved. The device is more of a swiss-tool now.
GPe edition of Moto G running KTU84P.M003 like a dream and eats more battery,too. I wish i could have flashed it earlier.

Semseddin said:
GPe edition of Moto G running KTU84P.M003 like a dream and eats more battery,too. I wish i could have flashed it earlier.
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Just curious, if it eats more battery how come you call it a dream?

Lollipop Bluetooth Issues

Are we expecting any updates soon or the 5.0.1/2 update to fix the bugs that were, presumably, introduced with 5.0?
For instance, the Pebble watch disconnecting constantly. Seems perfect on my M7 with 5.0.2.
Really hope this is done quickly, as it's pretty much unusable right now.

No one knows when 5.0.1 will come, but keeping in mind that 5.1 will be released later this month I guess there's chance that Sammy might go crazy and skip 5.0.1/2 altogether and jump directly to 5.1!
If you want this topic as some request kind then its better to create it in sammobile.

Thanks for the reply.
I just hope Samsung can push through some small bugfix update then in regards to the bluetooth then. It's a big shame I can't really use the Pebble anymore.

Just what I wanted to post. The lollipop update has been an nightmare for my Pebble watch. And I'm sure it's the phones software fault.
I still have not done a complete wipe using Odin, only upgraded, keeping my apps but I'm not convinced that would help.
One weird thing I noticed is that while I was on the N9005 Russian leak (the system nandroid) the Pebble/Note connection was much more stable... Could it be that Odin doesn't set some permissions correctly while flashing the system partition?
I'm thinking of doing a full wipe/repartition using Odin and the latest Polish update, or trying some touchwiz based rom, can someone recommend any good ones I should try out?

s1m4an said:
Just what I wanted to post. The lollipop update has been an nightmare for my Pebble watch. And I'm sure it's the phones software fault.
I still have not done a complete wipe using Odin, only upgraded, keeping my apps but I'm not convinced that would help.
One weird thing I noticed is that while I was on the N9005 Russian leak (the system nandroid) the Pebble/Note connection was much more stable... Could it be that Odin doesn't set some permissions correctly while flashing the system partition?
I'm thinking of doing a full wipe/repartition using Odin and the latest Polish update, or trying some touchwiz based rom, can someone recommend any good ones I should try out?
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Hello
May I direct you here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...-official-5-0-firmware-galaxy-t3029557/page79
dariox provided this workaround, which has been working very well for me and keeping my Pebble connected.
"Download BlueTooth auto connect (UniqTec developer)
Set:
"set last device" Flag
Profiles : select all
devices : select your device, and flag in the options "healt hdp" in case of smartband ecc...
Set flag on : Bluetooth on
Device Disconnected
Device Connected"
Unfortunately, it seems to come at the cost of a constant wakelock, and battery drain, but at the moment we don't really have any other choice apart from rolling back to kitkat, getting a new phone, or stop using the Pebble.
Hope this helps.

It's Lollipop's fault, I had the same problem when I upgraded, both the early version and the official version had the same result.
I downgraded back down to KitKat and it's fine now.

Lollipop is terrible. Downgrade issues

Hi, I dislike Lollipop that much that I have taken the time to register and ask for assistance, I think it is the most terrible upgrade ever. I hate the white screens that burn my eyes due to having vision issues. Is there anyway around this? I tried to downgrade to kitkat but my baseband would go unknown and no matter what modem I would flash it would never reconnect back to my network lollipop works fine as far as signal and data concerned. I used the firmware supplied via sammobile. I really do wish to complain about how bad it is to be so used to the dark themed UI and to just be slapped in the face by google without any option to change this. Not to mention it is constantly buggy even after factory resets and I am on the 5.1 version. If someone can help it would be greatly appreciated.

LOL

esprosso271 said:
I used the firmware supplied via sammobile.
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Sorry but, what's your phone?:silly:

lollipop vs kitkat

am really tired,when i updated to lollipop program take alot of ram space and make some app to re open it again when i returned to it,not save it,so i returned to kitkat but the battery drain fast about 1% every minute.
that crazy so what to do? am not expected that from note 4.
advice plz with abuild version or area which work good,no matter kitkat ot lollipop.
thanks

I also returned back to Kitkat & after returning I reset my Note 4 (factory reset) , and every thing working fine
Lollipop is full with bugs so maybe my next update will be Android M when it will come, I believe Lollipop is a no go with a lot of bugs and issues even the coming 5.1.1

one-option said:
I also returned back to Kitkat & after returning I reset my Note 4 (factory reset) , and every thing working fine
Lollipop is full with bugs so maybe my next update will be Android M when it will come, I believe Lollipop is a no go with a lot of bugs and issues even the coming 5.1.1
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what is your product name and which baseband version u on ?
IR work with u?
my phone is N910H

My Note 4 n-910G is working good on lollipop. I'm on stock non-rooted 5.0.1 and i cant wait to get 5.1.1 (M would be heaven but i'm not holding my breath for it). Lollipop for me is quite fast and just tiny annoying bugs, nothing major. Kitkat 4.4.4 was blazing fast for me before. It's suffered a little after i flashed L but i wont go back now. I'm lucky i haven't got the battery issues i keep hearing about, or those lags/bugs. That would make me throw the phone across the room.
Here's to Samsung to give it's best flagship of late 2014, early 2015 Android M

LightspeeDLee said:
My Note 4 n-910G is working good on lollipop. I'm on stock non-rooted 5.0.1 and i cant wait to get 5.1.1 (M would be heaven but i'm not holding my breath for it). Lollipop for me is quite fast and just tiny annoying bugs, nothing major. Kitkat 4.4.4 was blazing fast for me before. It's suffered a little after i flashed L but i wont go back now. I'm lucky i haven't got the battery issues i keep hearing about, or those lags/bugs. That would make me throw the phone across the room.
Here's to Samsung to give it's best flagship of late 2014, early 2015 Android M
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Have you checked your camera pictures ???
Observe the viewfinder, the way everything looks, it will all show like some paint effect compared to the pictures that came sharp while on kitkat.
Please do compare pictures when on kitkat and after lollipop update.
I have created a new thread on it. Many have not observed their camera picture quality post update.

ok... now i'mma worried. will try it

bigheart90 said:
am really tired,when i updated to lollipop program take alot of ram space and make some app to re open it again when i returned to it,not save it,so i returned to kitkat but the battery drain fast about 1% every minute.
that crazy so what to do? am not expected that from note 4.
advice plz with abuild version or area which work good,no matter kitkat ot lollipop.
thanks
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Ok go back to lollipop and flash the 5.1.1 kuybi rom. It's fast and smooth. It's been debloated and is very good on battery life. It's much better then any of the other lollipop and kitkat. In fact I would go as far to say it's the best lollipop build here on xda for now.

New firmware 4.4.2 03/2017 BTU (UK) Woot Woot!

Yep, today XAR firmware update for kitkat us been released. It has updates and patches to fix known bugs and issues as of 02/17.
It is the most stable and secure kitkat available for our wifi note 8.0.
I am downloading now, but will be waiting for the BTU UK variant to be released, as it may have even later updates, and already set fir 13 channel wifi. Yep I be a lazy base - tard.
Its here! Galaxy Note 8.0 (WIFI) GT-N5110 BTU N5110XXSDQD1 Android 4.4.2 03.04.2017 1321607
http://samsung-updates.com/device/?id=GT-N5110

gooberdude said:
Yep, today XAR firmware update for kitkat us been released. It has updates and patches to fix known bugs and issues as of 02/17.
It is the most stable and secure kitkat available for our wifi note 8.0.
I am downloading now, but will be waiting for the BTU UK variant to be released, as it may have even later updates, and already set fir 13 channel wifi. Yep I be a lazy base - tard.
http://samsung-updates.com/device/?id=GT-N5110
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FYI - I am based in the UK and my Note 8.0 has very surprisingly updated to 4.4.2 - first update in ages and very odd that it should be Kitkat and not something more up to date.

IMO, i am happy with each update of kitkat. Since the end of jelly bean, google has bollocks upped with each version.
Finally after a few years trying to get kitkat just right, I am able to. Now with the latest update, I am sure the few issues I still deal with will be corrected and finally have a smooth kitkat.
Can't say that for LP, MM, and New-guts. New is not better IMO if it is wonky and filled with security flaws. Plus I don't see any improvement across the board over kitkat. Kinda like do peeps like dealing with cheeky google? I just don't understand them, as much as they don't understand me. HA!

I didn't think about how long these file hosts take... so I recommend to use SamFirm to download your firmware. It is fairly new, and I suggest searching online for sites to assist with setup and function before finding a download. That is why i do not have a link or have posted a download attachment.

Small list of still active vulnerabilites after being fully tested.
Media server, Serialization, and stock browser.
I assume we may see another release of updated kitkat firmware late next year.
It does not bother me, having only two issues active. As for stock browser, who uses it anyway? I don't!

Why are you so happy with a 4.4.2 release of kit kat? Our Note 8.0's could easily handle Nougat...Right? So... help me understand, Why I with an ATT sgh-i467 should be content with my update, but not upgrade to something more.

rmkblades said:
Why are you so happy with a 4.4.2 release of kit kat? Our Note 8.0's could easily handle Nougat...Right? So... help me understand, Why I with an ATT sgh-i467 should be content with my update, but not upgrade to something more.
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If you're really dependant on your Note 8, you could upgrade to a Tab A with S Pen. These are currently running 6.0.1. I doubt it'll get Nougat, but maybe Samsung will release the S3 in a 8" form factor...

rmkblades said:
Why are you so happy with a 4.4.2 release of kit kat? Our Note 8.0's could easily handle Nougat...Right? So... help me understand, Why I with an ATT sgh-i467 should be content with my update, but not upgrade to something more.
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Because It works, no issues, and not effected by security issues since LP.
Also I have customised my 4.4.2 to be more robust like a tab 4, without relying on a customized build with issues.
So far I am the only one with a truly functional customised firmware that I am happy with.

gooberdude said:
Because It works, no issues, and not effected by security issues since LP.
Also I have customised my 4.4.2 to be more robust like a tab 4, without relying on a customized build with issues.
So far I am the only one with a truly functional customised firmware that I am happy with.
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Any chance you would be willing to share the firmware?
?

rmkblades said:
Why are you so happy with a 4.4.2 release of kit kat? Our Note 8.0's could easily handle Nougat...Right? So... help me understand, Why I with an ATT sgh-i467 should be content with my update, but not upgrade to something more.
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rmkblades said:
Any chance you would be willing to share the firmware?
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I can't due to limits placed by ROM developers. As i had to mix 5 different ROMs to obtain what I have.
You can get a nice look by using the system ui. Though to get chrome to close when its tab closes, stock S5 libs have chrome customisations lib and some chrome cast drivers.
Plus some system apps to make gallery more robust.
I gave up on spen menu, as it did not bring much versatility since I removed stock browser because of it being unsecured with malicious scripts, and scrap book with smart clip just eat too much resources for what they are.
Can't remember which ROM I grabbed a cool one off flashbarservice app. The drawer is like the jelly bean version with a pull out tab and single row. Plus the short cuts are mini.
Using the tab 4 touchwiz and keyboard (that has left and right cursor control), though you loose automatic handwriting mode when spen is detached. It now becomes manually switched with the settings key.
I swapped out a secsettings app to allow access to default applications, as Samsung killed it in 4.4.2 for Note 8.0.
I enabled color blind, interaction control, grey scale, and accessibility shortcut menu. Though I can't have the shortcut menu activate or deactivate without a reboot.
Though the i467 has the features in the stock ROM, so obtaining the latest AT&T ROM, you can copy the system apps to allow some cool accessibility features developers over looked.
If I had permissions to allow copying and distributing custom apps and a few custom libs, i would as a complete ROM. But that is only half of it. I am not an android developer, and have no tools to properly create a flashable ROM to distribute.