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Galaxy S ~ Camera Spec

Has anyone else noticed the F Stop/Aperature on the i9000.
It's a super low f2.6
As anyone who understands photography, the lower the number the more light is let in and as such means you can work and shoot better in poor/dim lit conditions.
The trade off is a Low Depth of Field.
I have quite a few cameras and at f2 they produce some stunning night photography.
Granted the sensor is not up to the same standards as that found in class camera lens but to have an f2.6 in this camera should still be great for shots that either require a bit of speed or for low lit situations.
Seeing as the i9000 does not have an LED Flash this is certainly going to help.

interesting piece of news thank you. sounds good!

i know quite a bit of photography, and in theory your right.
The only thing is that most phone cams have 'super big aperature', but since the lenses are very small and the sensors are also, it doesn't say anything about the quality.
Also the aperature doesn't say anything about the number of lumens the lens can catch.
it's just a calculation number.
aperature with your zoom factor make your depth of field and actually it stops there.
I have seen 4.5 lensen (on my dSLR) that can make perfect pics with no light at all, but also i've seen 2.8 lensens that suck totaly. simply because if the small lens opening.
On the other hand. Though it's still a calcuating number, it does give a good indication if you compare it to other phone cams.

Thanks for the input... appreciated.
I fully understand and agree in what you are saying.
If we look at the Nokia N97 which although not the best phone camera on the market it is known for taking surprisingly good low light photography.
Apart from the fact it has a dual LED for flash photography it's construction and lens is quite similar.
Taking aside the similarities, if you look at it's F-Stop it is slightly higher at f2.8 against an f2.6 on the i9000.
It's not much different I agree but even if it were one would expect low light or fast shooting to be on par with the N97.
I've seen shots taken with the N97 and was quite impressed at it's low light attitude.
Rarely during the day/night was the flash required.
I'm exceptionally pleased at the i9000's aperture/F-Stop and Focal range.
I for one am now not as concerned it does not have a dedicated Flash.

I'm quite excited about the camera as well. I almost never use the flash on my Omina I because I get much better results by playing around with the camera settings. The only problem is that the camera seems to have trouble focusing in low light/low contrast situations. With flash, the photos look washed out and are still out of focus. Hopefully the manual focus option and "fast auto focus" the gsmarena review mentions mean that it is possible to get good low light photos with the Galaxy S even without flash.
That said, I'm put off by the reports about video recording being choppy/crashing and the camera failing to load.

latraviata said:
That said, I'm put off by the reports about video recording being choppy/crashing and the camera failing to load.
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Same here a bit... I saw videos of the Samsung Wave camera 720p video and they look better than the samples of the Galaxy S
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHQs_DpFFoI <-- Samsung Wave.. very very nice especially the plants.

Camera Grainy and Inaccurate (with proof and comparison)

Hey guys,
I did a comparison with my 3yr old samsung innov8, which also has a 8mpixel camera. I have taken pics and found that my new Galaxy S2 camera extremely poor indoors compared to my Innov8. My Galaxy S2 camera seems to produce very poor detail, over sharpened and grainy images, unable to capture colours and lighting accurately. Old Innov8 is at least twice as much better!
I am wondering if I got a faulty device or is this considered to be normal? Everyone seems to be praising the camera quality, so I'm beginning to get a little worried. I would also appreciate if some of you could take low-light images, preferably in a room at night.
Finally, pictures I took, for your reference:
Samsung Galaxy S2
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Note: I took a few pictures around the room and picked the best one.
Samsung Innov8
imageshack.us/photo/my-images/687/innov82.jpg
imageshack.us/photo/my-images/64/innov8.jpg
As you can see, my old phone takes much cleaner pictures and colour is more accurate, albeit cold/blueish. It is overall better. Just to add on, it tends to have a slight pink tone in the center also.
Camera firmware is OCED10.
Baseband - XXKDH
Kernal - XWKDD
Build - XWKDD
Thanks and Cheers!

Mine isn't great indoors too very grainy, out doors im well impressed
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Have you tried adjusting the iso settings on the GS2?

See the metadata of your pics.
SGS is compromising on ISO to maintain better shutter speed by default. That picture is at ISO400. The Innovo 8 is at ISO 200.
Thats why there is so much noise in SGS pic.
If you prefer little under exposed pics and rather have images with less noise, just set your iso manually at 100 or 200 for indoor pics.

My camera is very grainy indoors too. Outside, it's fine.
I tried setting it at at lower ISO, but it's still very grainy.
I also have the pink blob in the middle... :S What's with that!?

Funkym0nkey said:
See the metadata of your pics.
SGS is compromising on ISO to maintain better shutter speed by default. That picture is at ISO400. The Innovo 8 is at ISO 200.
Thats why there is so much noise in SGS pic.
If you prefer little under exposed pics and rather have images with less noise, just set your iso manually at 100 or 200 for indoor pics.
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Yes i did notice that. I tried to set it on ISO 100 and ISO 200 as well. Slightly better, but no where as good as my Innov8. I have been trying all sort of test this past 2 days.

you cant compare one of the best mobile camera phones with sgs s 2...i have i8510 (im writing this post from Innov8 and i had also i8910 and what i can say is that the quality of optics,camera chip is bigger - even i8910 is noisy looser with much less detailed photos with compar. to i8510...so try to compare with nowadays smartphones not i8510 or N86 etc. Just look at my thread about sgs s 2 photos and be glad it can do such a good photos...

haha yeah i guess so.. huge difference huh. kinda heart breaking oh well. just glad to know that my device isn't a faulty one

amukilla said:
Hey guys,
I did a comparison with my 3yr old samsung innov8, which also has a 8mpixel camera. I have taken pics and found that my new Galaxy S2 camera extremely poor indoors compared to my Innov8. My Galaxy S2 camera seems to produce very poor detail, over sharpened and grainy images, unable to capture colours and lighting accurately. Old Innov8 is at least twice as much better!
I am wondering if I got a faulty device or is this considered to be normal? Everyone seems to be praising the camera quality, so I'm beginning to get a little worried. I would also appreciate if some of you could take low-light images, preferably in a room at night.
Finally, pictures I took, for your reference:
Samsung Galaxy S2
imageshack.us/photo/my-images/810/galaxys2e.jpg
Note: I took a few pictures around the room and picked the best one.
Samsung Innov8
imageshack.us/photo/my-images/687/innov82.jpg
imageshack.us/photo/my-images/64/innov8.jpg
As you can see, my old phone takes much cleaner pictures and colour is more accurate, albeit cold/blueish. It is overall better. Just to add on, it tends to have a slight pink tone in the center also.
Camera firmware is OCED10.
Baseband - XXKDH
Kernal - XWKDD
Build - XWKDD
Thanks and Cheers!
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you can choose night mode, the sgs2 are using ISO400, 1/17s (more faster shutter speed but with higher ISO), but the Innov8 is using ISO200, 1/8s (very slow shutter speed but lower ISO) ---> see the Innov8 is too much of noise reduction has been apply on the photo and cause the detail losed a lot + handshake due to slow shutter speed.
SGS2 also can get as Innov8 result as long as you choose night mode or manually reduce ISO to 200 but remember, you will get slower shutter speed.

I do wish people would stop chelping about the camera, if you want professional results get a professional camera, this camera is perfectly acceptable in good light conditions.

Agreed. This is not a system camera. However, it's argubly the best phone camera device on the market, so everything depends on what to compare it with. Personally, I'm pretty amazed about what it can muster.

stoolzo said:
I do wish people would stop chelping about the camera, if you want professional results get a professional camera, this camera is perfectly acceptable in good light conditions.
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to be honest i'd like to have a pro-like quality out of the phone, because while we're not making actual pro-pictures, its one thing less to carry around if the quality is good.
in some cases it actually is on the SGS2

stoolzo said:
I do wish people would stop chelping about the camera, if you want professional results get a professional camera, this camera is perfectly acceptable in good light conditions.
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Not only that. I have at all times a professional photographer in my entourage.

How does it compare to the SGS? How will it compare to the Sensation? Those are probably two good benchmarks.

The fact that the phone is able to take pictures of this magnitude, especially considering how light and thin it is, is itself amazing. Its not really possible with today's technology to squeeze larger sensors and keep the thickness down.
This guy here(who is a professional photographer) says the camera is 'very good' and looking at the pictures I think so too.
So I really think you people should stop complaining and enjoy what the phone has to offer without being so uptight about every minute problem.

MrDeacon said:
Agreed. This is not a system camera. However, it's argubly the best phone camera device on the market, so everything depends on what to compare it with. Personally, I'm pretty amazed about what it can muster.
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It is nowhere near as being the best camera phone. My gf has a Nokia N8 and you cannot believe the pictures she is able to produce with her phone. Will make this weekend a side by side comparison, with pictures of the same thing taken at the same time using both phones... I know N8 will win, just curious how much ahead it is ( and will use it at 8MP and not 12 MP to be fair ).
On another note, the indoor pics are crappy, but to be expected ( high MP count in a tiny sensor = noise ). Outdoor pics look very well indeed, even at full size they are ok. For me, not enough to replace a dedicated camera, but more than enough for the occasional picture and movie ( movies look excellent outside too ). I should mention that the N8 performs like a compact dedicated camera, so that sensor would be enough for most vacations.
Overall, given the fact that it is a phone afterall, I am more than pleased with the camera quality.

Azra2k said:
It is nowhere near as being the best camera phone. My gf has a Nokia N8 and you cannot believe the pictures she is able to produce with her phone. Will make this weekend a side by side comparison, with pictures of the same thing taken at the same time using both phones... I know N8 will win, just curious how much ahead it is ( and will use it at 8MP and not 12 MP to be fair ).
On another note, the indoor pics are crappy, but to be expected ( high MP count in a tiny sensor = noise ). Outdoor pics look very well indeed, even at full size they are ok. For me, not enough to replace a dedicated camera, but more than enough for the occasional picture and movie ( movies look excellent outside too ). I should mention that the N8 performs like a compact dedicated camera, so that sensor would be enough for most vacations.
Overall, given the fact that it is a phone afterall, I am more than pleased with the camera quality.
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Let's make a comparison SGS2 vs n8

Azra2k said:
It is nowhere near as being the best camera phone. My gf has a Nokia N8 and you cannot believe the pictures she is able to produce with her phone. Will make this weekend a side by side comparison, with pictures of the same thing taken at the same time using both phones... I know N8 will win, just curious how much ahead it is ( and will use it at 8MP and not 12 MP to be fair ).
On another note, the indoor pics are crappy, but to be expected ( high MP count in a tiny sensor = noise ). Outdoor pics look very well indeed, even at full size they are ok. For me, not enough to replace a dedicated camera, but more than enough for the occasional picture and movie ( movies look excellent outside too ). I should mention that the N8 performs like a compact dedicated camera, so that sensor would be enough for most vacations.
Overall, given the fact that it is a phone afterall, I am more than pleased with the camera quality.
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cool! i wanted to see such a test. even at 12MP in fact. We all know the N8 is going to win, but i'd like to see by how much.
I had a N95 in the past and it replaced my camera. I have a SGS right now (and a SGS2 tomorrow or so lol) and it is not as good in most conditions. It's probably because the lens is really much better and bigger on the N95 (and on the N8, and on most Nokias in fact..)
I almost went for the N8 just for that, but tbh, Symbian is a pain and the browser is really bad

Looking forward to the N8 comparison as well!

to be fair the N8's camera is very good but as a an overall package its **** compared to the S2.
Yes, we would all like to get close to pro results out of it but it isnt going to happen with such a small sensor / lens
It should also be noted that a good photo, a good camera does not necessarily make.

LG G3 Camera

Front-facing Camera
Back-facing Camera
LG G3 vs Samsung Galaxy S5 Camera
Magic Focus Feature
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Small G3 camera shootout:
First LG G3 samples get compared with the Galaxy S5, One M8, Note 3, and iPhone 5s
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Very good

Good.

crappy audio noise cancellation

Boobook said:
crappy audio noise cancellation
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yes I wonder if they haven't finalized their software for it or if you should only turn it on in certain situations or what.
Anyways, I haven't seen many videos but here's one that shows the super steady and well exposed video the G3 can shoot, along with no audio issues. Pretty impressive for indoors video so far:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffz71YW02lM

Looking good, the audio cancellation issues aren't great, but I hope it is software related somehow. I really dig the "magic focus" feature. Much better implementation than HTC.

The real question is if they have improved the camera in low-light conditions with moving objects. The LG G2 stock camera suffered BADLY in trying to shoot pictures of moving objects in low light conditions.
In addition, the stock G2 camera denoising algorithm was way too aggressive leading to watercolor-like pictures, again especially in low-light.
Glad they tried to address the slow focus issue with the G2 by implementing laser focus.

here are some samples
http://www.androidcentral.com/lg-g3-initial-photo-and-video-samples

hello00 said:
here are some samples
http://www.androidcentral.com/lg-g3-initial-photo-and-video-samples
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It looks good
I wonder how it performs against Z2

beezar said:
The real question is if they have improved the camera in low-light conditions with moving objects. The LG G2 stock camera suffered BADLY in trying to shoot pictures of moving objects in low light conditions.
In addition, the stock G2 camera denoising algorithm was way too aggressive leading to watercolor-like pictures, again especially in low-light.
Glad they tried to address the slow focus issue with the G2 by implementing laser focus.
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Photographer here -- unfortunately, in low light with ANY smartphone you'll have difficulty capturing a moving object. With low light, you require a longer shutter speed, and depending on how fast the object is moving, you're guaranteed to have blur. Whether your phone is hand held or on a tripod does not matter -- the motion is relative to the camera, not the camera itself.
In low light to be able to effectively capture a moving object with no blur you will need a large sensor camera (e.g. DSLR APS-C or m4/3) and fast (large aperture) lens. Smartphones have small sensors and can't capture as much light which therefore requires lengthening the shutter speed to allow enough light in to expose the scene properly. Similarly, they can't use higher ISO (sensitivity) to keep the shutter speed short either due to having excessive noise at comparable ISO levels.
The exception to this is a good flash. With a good flash you can use a faster shutter speed and be able to "freeze motion" better. Of course, the flashes on phones are underpowered and will only help you out if you're reasonably close to whatever you're trying to capture.
Just to give some examples, in lower light situations small sensor cameras pretty much have to use a 1/30s or longer shutter speed. Any object that's moving faster than a snail's pace will therefore have blur. On the other hand, with a large sensor camera and fast lens, you can realistically increase your ISO to say 6400 if you have a fast moving object and set your shutter speed to 1/200s and fire away.
Another issue is that we really don't have effective control over shutter speed on smartphones. Hopefully this will come eventually with Android's new API (along with RAW support). Sure, most people don't know how to shoot in manual mode but for those who do it's very helpful. I believe many phone manufacturers include a "sports" or "action" mode that will prioritize shutter speed over ISO (and no idea if the G2 has a similar mode), but still there's only so much it can do with a small sensor in a situation where the physics just aren't in its favor. Smartphones are great in good light, but if low light is a priority, a dedicated camera is the only solution.

thx for all that info KLMD, really helpful and easy to understand! cheers bud

Of course, glad to hear it was understandable.
With all that said, what do I think of the G3's camera so far? Well first off, OIS is critical when you're not shooting outdoors and not using a tripod (due to the shutter speeds as I explained above). No other Android flagship has OIS which is quite a shame, so based on that the G3 is already starting ahead of the pack. The benefit of this is clearly demonstrated in PhoneArena's samples compared to the Galaxy S5. Due to the indoor lighting, the S5's shots appear to lack detail because of the blur induced by a long shutter speed that's not stabilized optically. Meanwhile, the G3's are tack sharp. Their samples are more of a "real world" demonstration compared to many smartphone camera reviews where they have the indoors shots stabilized on a tripod. Having the phones on a tripod eliminates the reviewer's shaky hands from affecting results, but it also hides the necessity of OIS for low light photos. 99% of the time we're not using a tripod with our smartphones.
From samples I've seen so far, LG appears to have gotten their software processing down pretty well -- way better than the G2. White balance and exposure seem to be handled well, and photos seem to have better saturation than the G2.
The G3 also appears to have a wider angle lens than the S5, and I appreciate that its sensor is 4:3 rather than 16:9. 16:9 may fill up your entire screen when framing the shot, but if shooting in landscape mode you're really losing out on vertical height (and vice versa if oriented in portrait you're not getting much horizontally). The G3 without a doubt fits more into the frame due to both the lens angle and 4:3 aspect ratio.
With the OIS and good software processing, at this point the G3's camera looks to be the most promising of any Android device. I'll wait for more samples to make a firm conclusion, but again, the G3 is more compelling than anything else right now.
Edit: correction the Nexus 5 also has OIS, but of course it's also made by LG

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Edit: correction the Nexus 5 also has OIS, but of course it's also made by LG
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HTC One M7 also has it, M8 lost it coz it didnt play well with the duo camera setup apparently.

My view on G3,Sorry to break ice about camera but here are facts :
1. There is no laser in g3 but laserish IR light that gets detected by camera to focus for near objects.
2. No practical use in daylight.
3. Useless to detect & focus on far objects - let's check when reviews comes for range. Depends on how powerful ir included.
4. Same camera hardware except Lewis software promotion.
These are simple practical physics facts of camera working.
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NaveenKumarXDA said:
My view on G3,Sorry to break ice about camera but here are facts :
1. There is no laser in g3 but laserish IR light that gets detected by camera to focus for near objects.
2. No practical use in daylight.
3. Useless to detect & focus on far objects - let's check when reviews comes for range. Depends on how powerful ir included.
4. Same camera hardware except Lewis software promotion.
These are simple practical physics facts of camera working.
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what did u think it had? a laser from a gun

hello00 said:
what did u think it had? a laser from a gun
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Yes
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Any confirmation of 1080p60?

Rapidfire75 said:
Any confirmation of 1080p60?
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Yes. Its already in the G2 also, so pretty obvious to be in G3.

Ohhhhooo
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what did u think it had? a laser from a gun
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Yes Sir, I thought "Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Light" but not the case Here. Hence a Lie.

How good is the camera when someone is moving, specially kids?

So I myself own a Z3 compact that has been amazing, I love everything about it, now, I have an aunt that wants a good phone to take pictures of her kids, but the issue is that kids are always moving, so with the ads that say this has the fastest auto focus, and specifically the video ad shows a parent taking pictures of his daughter jumping around and while for me, I enjoy the Z3c, the camera it's not that good when someone is moving. Can anyone with little kids confirm this, all she wants is non blurry subjects on the photo.
I was considering the gs6 but I would rather go with Sony to support them.
Thanks everyone.

In my experience with a 4 year old, pictures turn out blurry if she is moving. I've only used automatic mode as most of my shots don't allow me the time and luxury of setting up an ideal manual mode. Perhaps manual mode can handle action better, but auto mode is not good for action.

The camera is extremely blurry and the horrible shuttertime makes this otherwise fantastic phone useless for taking pictures of kids. The moment will pass and a blurry useless picture will be the result. I have these 3 phones which all take fantastic pictures of my kid.
iPhone 6s
Samsung s6 Edge
Lumia 950(possibly the best i have)
Dont buy the z5 compact if you want great photos.
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I've got both S6 and Z5c. You have to turn Sports mode on to capture movement, otherwise both phones will result blur. Focusing indeed S6 faster and more accurate because of existing Z5c software not yet a mature version, I think it will get improvement when Android 6.0 to arrive later.
The best thing on Z5c is the stock camera remember your last setting, so you can always set Sports as default(I think I'll more recommend Z5c for this reason). On S6 every time you have to click on Mode and pick Sport, pretty time consuming.

Camera is useless with kids, takes great pictures if you can make your kids sit still. But that's not the shots you want, you want to capture moments and thats not possible.

you can try motion shot

I can also confirm that the camera is absolutely useless in whichever option you pick! Really disappointed in Sony (again). Bragging: yes, delivering: no.

I will pitch in, Yeah the camera is cack. Any less than full daylight and they just come out blurry or noisy. Can't say I am surprised. At least I won't rue loosing the DRM keys when I unlock the bootloader, as I don't see how the camera could be much worse.

Recording video is better than my g4. However, photos are better in g4
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Coming from a LG G2, I am pretty happy with the Z5C. But if you have a Z3C, I think you'd be getting pretty much the same experience. It is unfortunate that the shutter speed can't be set manually in the standard camera app. I haven't tried 3rd party apps, as I mostly get the photos I need of my kids (also indoors) with Sonys app. Of course, blur depends on shutter speed which depends on the amount of lighting that you have - possibly I have more lighting where I live compared to the posters above.
On my G2 the problem was that it had OIS - knowing this, the phone defaulted to a slow shutter speed to take advantage of the OIS. Which obviously doesn't work when it is the subject and not the photographer's hand that is moving...
Will try Sports mode more myself after reading the suggestion above.

Luckily Sony's open source camera driver will allow to fix all the... strange decisions they've made in the default camera app.

The focus problem on Z1~Z3 finally get fixed and with camera 2.0 image quality is reasonable now, just the video quality still not clear enough which clearly a software issue. Sony tends to has realistic WB and exposure which I much prefer over Samsung/LG/Apple, others phone always with over saturated color(though some actually like it).
It's already the best camera phone without OIS I've ever used, overall it's still worth to upgrade. Sure it won't beat S6/G4 with OIS at low light. I understand at this price a new phone now have no OIS is very suck, this is my last Sony too if no OIS.

karimero said:
I can also confirm that the camera is absolutely useless in whichever option you pick! Really disappointed in Sony (again). Bragging: yes, delivering: no.
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zakiwashi said:
I will pitch in, Yeah the camera is cack. Any less than full daylight and they just come out blurry or noisy. Can't say I am surprised. At least I won't rue loosing the DRM keys when I unlock the bootloader, as I don't see how the camera could be much worse.
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Agree. By far an away my biggest disappointment with this phone. I have now resorted to the machine gun principle - if I have to use this camera. Take loads of shots in the hope one will be OK. However my preference is to avoid using it altogether.
To my mind a decent phone camera has to be point and shoot, with a high rate of keepers in the shots. Unfortunately I find most of the pics from my Z5C are plain average. I have nothing good to say about it.

Photo quality

Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Moto Z2 Force come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

So far I'm pretty pissed off with the camera. I recently tested the LG G6, Huawei Mate 9, OnePlus 5, and now the Moto Z2 Force which I was hoping would be my dream phone. I owned the Z Force and so far and a bit disappointed. The Camera seems to have potential but the software is terrible, at least on my specific device. The camera is plagued with shutter lag which really seems to take a toll on picture quality. Pro mode is what really upset me with only having the option of 1/4 for shutter speed as the longest time for exposure. I have taken a great deal of pictures to compare with the phones listed above, so far the Huawei Mate 9 has had the best camera in my opinion. Obviously, this is totally objective as views will change per individual. I am by no means a photography expert, but I am always in search of a great camera in a smartphone. The biggest reason for my angry toward the quality of the Z2F camera is the retail cost of the phone, I really thought this would be a camera I would have loved. It seems like I may wait to see how the Essentials Phone turns out and am very curious about the Nokia 8, both in terms of camera. To date I think the use of a dual camera, one being monochrome and the other RGB, is the best implementation. Please let me know if the inconsistent shutter I'm facing is just a problem with my unit or if other's share it as well. I really had my heart/mind set on this phone being able to go toe to toe with others in its price range. Side note, the LG G6 wide angle lens was great for taking pictures, I was surprised that I liked the secondary camera being a wide angle lens as it allowed for unique perspective. I let go of the LG G6 because my father broke his phone and really thought the Z2F would be the phone of my dreams.
Update: Twist for camera sometimes hangs and after some time force closes. This has also happened on 2 occasions when opening camera app, viewfinder is black followed by hang and crash.

Ksehwail said:
So far I'm pretty pissed off with the camera. I recently tested the LG G6, Huawei Mate 9, OnePlus 5, and now the Moto Z2 Force which I was hoping would be my dream phone. I owned the Z Force and so far and a bit disappointed. The Camera seems to have potential but the software is terrible, at least on my specific device. The camera is plagued with shutter lag which really seems to take a toll on picture quality. Pro mode is what really upset me with only having the option of 1/4 for shutter speed as the longest time for exposure. I have taken a great deal of pictures to compare with the phones listed above, so far the Huawei Mate 9 has had the best camera in my opinion. Obviously, this is totally objective as views will change per individual. I am by no means a photography expert, but I am always in search of a great camera in a smartphone. The biggest reason for my angry toward the quality of the Z2F camera is the retail cost of the phone, I really thought this would be a camera I would have loved. It seems like I may wait to see how the Essentials Phone turns out and am very curious about the Nokia 8, both in terms of camera. To date I think the use of a dual camera, one being monochrome and the other RGB, is the best implementation. Please let me know if the inconsistent shutter I'm facing is just a problem with my unit or if other's share it as well. I really had my heart/mind set on this phone being able to go toe to toe with others in its price range. Side note, the LG G6 wide angle lens was great for taking pictures, I was surprised that I liked the secondary camera being a wide angle lens as it allowed for unique perspective. I let go of the LG G6 because my father broke his phone and really thought the Z2F would be the phone of my dreams.
Update: Twist for camera sometimes hangs and after some time force closes. This has also happened on 2 occasions when opening camera app, viewfinder is black followed by hang and crash.
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Camera shutter speed seems to be a stock app issue mostly. I have CameraZoom FX and that works better at taking the picture quickly. I do expect this to improve as the device matures and some updates get pushed out to it.
That being said, the overall photo quality seems to be pretty good overall. The S8 I am leaving does a better job of handling multiple light levels (like say bright window light in an otherwise dimly lit room), but I do think the Z2F has some promise for sure.
I do agree that I think the shutter lag is very 2015.....so hoping Moto does fix that

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Ksehwail said:
The Camera seems to have potential but the software is terrible, at least on my specific device. The camera is plagued with shutter lag which really seems to take a toll on picture quality. Pro mode is what really upset me with only having the option of 1/4 for shutter speed as the longest time for exposure.
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I agree with this. The camera app is terrible. I came from the HTC 10 into this phone and the HTC blows it out of the water as far as camera quality goes, and I doubt there's any reason for that as far as the sensor/hardware goes There are also other apps that don't seem to access the front flash on this phone, I.E. Instagram, snapchat, etc. could be a driver issue or something, but motorola needs to get it together with the Android O update.

Has any compared picture quality with Open Camera and the google camera app?

Camera App Update
I just noticed that they added two features to the camera app. Object recognition and landmark recognition.They said that they included some bug fixes but did not elaborate. Hopefully they will continue to work on the app and image quality will improve as the phone matures. I think there is potential to improve low light photo's seeing that the black and white sensor should aid low light photography.
So far I am very happy with my photo's. I am a casual user and happy with the images. Realistically I do not think one can expect DSLR quality on a mobile phone. Maybe one day....

I've used several third party apps, and this camera is total trash compared to even my nearly three year old Galaxy S6.. I have to place dramatic Instagram-style filters on everything to hide how crappy this camera is.

I took this picture with full manual mode and it's quite good for me

why not use Hasellblad?

RE910177 said:
why not use Hasellblad?
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It's only useful for its optical zoom.

Does anyone have problem with autofocus....? The autofocus on this device is absolutely terrible.

Google Camera port is your friend when it comes to the Z2 Force. Also, Snapseed is a great editor.
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Google Camera port is your friend when it comes to the Z2 Force. Also, Snapseed is a great editor.
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So, I'm reading through this thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/z2-force/themes/app-modded-gcam-hdr-t3735494 ; there seems to be no gcam available for Z2, which would be fully functional. Are you saying you solved this issue and have one that works? Perhaps you can post to the thread with your findings if you did?