Having had the original Moto Droid, and then the Bionic, and having owned Moto X (2013 DE) I've tried a dozen different supposed battery enhancers, screen adjusters, and so on and so forth. The phones nowadays are so complicated any tweaks involves complex interactions that any savings becomes almost purely anecdotal. Thus, I can only share a couple of my experiences.
Current Setup:
Moto X 2013 (XT1060) Verizon, Developer Edition (unlocked bootloader) running Lollipop (5.1) / LPA23.12-39.7 / Xposed w/ Mobile Radio Active Fix
Current Config:
* Greenify (w/ donate package)
* KinScreen (free version)
* YAAB (free version)
* LeanDroid (free version)
* Some tweaks done through Xposed / GravityBox.
Battery life monitored through BatteryMix
One observation: Screen always almost always consume the most juice, unless you have a bug like the mobile radio active bug.
Thus, it is no surprise that most apps tries to play with the screen settings, but there are at least 5 types of battery savers (6 if you count the root / kernel tweaking)
* Adaptive brightness doesn't quite do the job, but something like Lux.Lite may be a bit of an overkill. YAAB seem to be a decent compromise.
* The default screen on/off is not that smart, and there are variety of apps trying to anticipate your actions. KinScreen was one of them, as are apps like Screebl and Gravity Screen. And frankly I have both (registered too). So far, KinScreen seem to be the least user-friendly (it just presents a menu of choices) but apparently also the most logical if you understand the options given.
* I've tried the PixelOff battery saver for AMOLED screen but didn't notice much if any battery savings. And in any case this only works on AMOLED type screens.
* The additional configs like automatically disable WiFi, Bluetooth, Data, GPS, etc. doesn't save that much juice, and annoys the heck out of the system itself as well as the user. But this is the "obvious" goto, and old classics like JuiceDefender went for this approach. It can work, but may also make the system more aggravating. LeanDroid operates in a similar modality, but seems less aggressive, at least when I turned off its control of Bluetooth.
* Doze mode / Deep Sleep forcers are relatively new. I've tried Doze and Deep Sleep
battery saver. Former seems to work, latter didn't do anything for me when I tried it.
* If you are rooted, you can tweak kernel settings with apps like Kernel Adiutor but this is definitely superuser area, not for noobs, as the potential of making device almost unusable is high. Or you can go REALLY crazy with Xposed / Amplify and try messing with the services and whatnot directly, but that makes the system very unstable.
So, any way, what have I learned?
* NOTHING can save power if you are actively using the device. Most of these apps can only save power if you are NOT actively using the device.
* The more "aggressive" the battery saver app is, the more annoying the device is to use, esp. if you do use it for surfing, Facebooking, listening to podcasts, navigating, etc. Thus, you want a least intrusive app or apps.
* You want apps with least amount of memory footprint. That way, the system won't have to swap them out of memory, to load a different app (and that takes power). And some of these apps are surprisingly HUGE. You can check memory taken up in Settings / Apps / Running.
My personal standard of "success" is relatively low: if I can reduce the "idle consumption", i.e. phone idle, not surfing or playing podcasts, screen off, to about 6% per hour (so hypothetically the phone can last most of the day with occasional usage), that'd be good enough. I'd say I've barely succeeded, as you can tell from the attached screenshot. When idle, consumption is about 6% per hour. As soon as screen comes on, it pops up to like 16% per hour.
Altogether, not too shabby for a 3-year old phone, right?
What have you tried, and makes you believe that your favorite battery saver app works? Got any proof? Let's compare notes.
I was running stock rooted 5.1 until about a month ago. Greenify helped, but the two biggest things I changed aren't minor tweaks: I replaced the battery in January, which bumped up battery life a solid 30% or so, and I moved to a Marshmallow ROM (RR) and turned on "Doze Powersave" (not sure if that's different from native Doze or just a tweak of it). And that REALLY helped. Before I had to either plug in my phone at work or leave with a near-dead battery, now I get home and still at 60% or so.
goducks3620 said:
I was running stock rooted 5.1 until about a month ago. Greenify helped, but the two biggest things I changed aren't minor tweaks: I replaced the battery in January, which bumped up battery life a solid 30% or so, and I moved to a Marshmallow ROM (RR) and turned on "Doze Powersave" (not sure if that's different from native Doze or just a tweak of it). And that REALLY helped. Before I had to either plug in my phone at work or leave with a near-dead battery, now I get home and still at 60% or so.
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How stable are the new CM ROMs... I moved to rooted stock 5.1 with xposed about 2 months ago because the newer CM13 builds were so unstable; and i needed a stable daily driver. Also got a new battery to make the phone more reliable.
Thinking of going back to being a flashaholic again. would you suggest starting with RR for good battery life??
I have a Batteries Plus near me and seems they can replace the batteries. I've noticed that the battery is no longer reading quite right at the very top or very bottom (rapid rises at 90% and rapid drop at 10%) so it could be battery problem.
I've changed my config yet again. Went back to Lux, Doze, and KinScreen, and eliminated LeanDroid. The phone will idle at as low as 4% per hour. Though as soon as screen comes on consumption is MUCH higher. It could be I set the phone to "interactive governor" in the kernel though.
Last time I tried MM ROM it was Resurrection Remix and I had some problem with it so had to restore my Nandroid backup. I'll have to give it another try.
I've found RR very stable, no issues so far. I think it's worth trying. I am running the July 11 build.
The phone now idles at 1% or less per hour if I'm not using it and it's sitting on a desk or windowsill. I am astonished.
And yeah, replacing the battery is a good idea. Get a replacement back though, the old one will not survive. I'm now sporting a teak back I found on aliexpress for $20. I bought the battery on Amazon for $5 and had a local shop do the job for $35 labor.
unplugged the charged phone at 145am, this is what it looked like 5 hrs later.
Switching to 2g whenever you aren't using the phone, saves a lot juice. 3g is a huge battery killer over time.
KinScreen hammers the system with wakelocks so I got rid of it.
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I've found RR very stable, no issues so far. I think it's worth trying. I am running the July 11 build.
The phone now idles at 1% or less per hour if I'm not using it and it's sitting on a desk or windowsill. I am astonished.
And yeah, replacing the battery is a good idea. Get a replacement back though, the old one will not survive. I'm now sporting a teak back I found on aliexpress for $20. I bought the battery on Amazon for $5 and had a local shop do the job for $35 labor.
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You don't have the inaccurate battery reading bug? I've tried CM13, OctOS, and currently on Turbo ROM (all 3 are MM ROMs). All three have unreliable battery readings. Usually the phone will just shutdown without warning anywhere between 20%-50% battery "remaining". Around 50%-60%, the battery percentage will start nosediving.
Maybe you don't have that problem since you put in a new battery. I'm still on my original battery.
Another question: in your CPU usage and battery usage, does it list all your apps? On all of the ROMs I've tried, they're all not listing any apps/games. It only lists like SystemUI and screen. I think the reason it's not listing anything is because the battery usage reading is wrong for apps. Like it'll tell me a game that's been running for half an hour only used like 2mAh. I attached a screen of 13 minutes of CPU usage using 0mAh of battery.
The battery starts nosediving around 15% which seems to be common on the CM13 ROMs. It doesn't take too long to get down to the low digits from there. I've not let it run down entirely since my power key doesn't work and I'd have to reboot from recovery with the phone plugged in.
Yeah, I'm noticing this ROM isn't showing the apps usage like stock LP did. Huh. Rare that there's an option here showing less information than stock.
Past 6 months with this device:
stock KK, rooted, original battery ->
stock LP rooted, original battery (shorter battery life) ->
stock LP rooted, new battery (longer battery life) ->
MM ROM, new battery now 6 months old (even longer battery life)
10 bucks new original ex34 battery from ebay=new life
but phuk Moto for making battery swap difficult.
My Experience With The X
Hi, I'm french and i own a 2013 Moto X and lovin it !
It is a Moto X Developer edition 32GB XT1053 Black and White assembled in the USA.
This phone is so perfect, perfect form factor size, the moto dimple in the back, Amoled Screen, Average Battery-life, Stock rom and Moto gesture.
But The Stock Rom was a bit laggy and stuck on 5.1 so I tried many ROM : Stock Kitkat and Lollipop, Cm 11 and 12.1, and the 6.0 Rom like OctOS Oct-M but at the end of the day i always miss the moto app and the bugfree experience. And I don't like KitKat design, i prefer material design of Lollipop and Marshmallow.
As for me the perfect rom is a CM 13 Marshmallow rom with Doze, MM animation and other tweak.
But there is no Bugfree rom so i Stuck on Stock 5.1 Rom and use Greenify for the battery and Seeder for the lag issue.
Seeder is really a GAME CHANGER, it just change your phone, NO MORE LAG !!
I current use the lastest stock 222.201.1.ghost_row.Retail.en.EU vzw // LPAS23.12-15.5-1
I use TWRP 2.8.7.0 and my device is Root. Greenify + Seeder
Current Setting :
SuperSU
Greenify ( Donate Version ) I Greenify all the apps that i don't use daily
Seeder ( Paid Version ) Everything On and check, Moderate.
Google now launcher
Swiftkey Keyboard
Moto Screen On
Moto Voice OFF
Google Voice OFF
And now i enjoy a bugfree and flawless rom with good battery life.
hbenz2008 said:
10 bucks new original ex34 battery from ebay=new life
but phuk Moto for making battery swap difficult.
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Yes, I literally had a problem for over a year .. should've been in warranty but Moto played games .. I checked again & it will be atleast $100.00 dollars to fix/exchange swollen/bloated/pregnant battery .. So I started thinking .. I bet .. I can fix this myself .. for way cheaper .. I ordered from oem4less on Amazon.com for $12.35 & $1.99 shipping .. for the White Door & 2120mah battery combo with NFC & did it myself this week !! The shipping was faster than stated .. The back was already popped off of my phone.. So it wasn't too hard to fix .. I've spent close to that eating McDonald's so it was well worth a try !! I've used this phone for years usually just to tether .. but now I fell in_love with it again it feels and looks brand new .. I'm actually typing on this now .. I have zero lemon battery for my samsung note that's going through the conditioning process . I wish zero lemon made a extended battery for this !! But battery is fine, it last long and works well !!
that is what I call a wise move. Moto x can easily go for another two years
For anyone who is wanting to do this, just watch out for the flash ribbon attached to the rear cover. And it is not a bad idea to go ahead and order a rear cover itself for like 4 bucks. Be done
clem3 said:
Yes, I literally had a problem for over a year .. should've been in warranty but Moto played games .. I checked again & it will be atleast $100.00 dollars to fix/exchange swollen/bloated/pregnant battery .. So I started thinking .. I bet .. I can fix this myself .. for way cheaper .. I ordered from oem4less on Amazon.com for $12.35 & $1.99 shipping .. for the White Door & 2120mah battery combo with NFC & did it myself this week !! The shipping was faster than stated .. The back was already popped off of my phone.. So it wasn't too hard to fix .. I've spent close to that eating McDonald's so it was well worth a try !! I've used this phone for years usually just to tether .. but now I fell in_love with it again it feels and looks brand new .. I'm actually typing on this now .. I have zero lemon battery for my samsung note that's going through the conditioning process . I wish zero lemon made a extended battery for this !! But battery is fine, it last long and works well !!
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I deactivate "Doze" and downloaded Xposed -- PowerNap.
Had to dump LeanDroid as it's causing me problems.
Dumped YAAB and went back to Lux (paid) as I had a couple Tasker mods for Lux and YAAB doesn't handle curves of brightness well.
Still can't tell if KinScreen is better or worse than GravityScreen.
My idle power consumption almost to nil or down to maybe 3-4% per hour with PowerNap activated but not engaged. I'll post a BatteryMIx screenshot later.
kschang said:
I deactivate "Doze" and downloaded Xposed -- PowerNap.
Had to dump LeanDroid as it's causing me problems.
Dumped YAAB and went back to Lux (paid) as I had a couple Tasker mods for Lux and YAAB doesn't handle curves of brightness well.
Still can't tell if KinScreen is better or worse than GravityScreen.
My idle power consumption almost to nil or down to maybe 3-4% per hour with PowerNap activated but not engaged. I'll post a BatteryMIx screenshot later.
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I had to turn off motion sensing in GravityScreen because I realized it was really eating up my battery. Right now it's just using the light sensor but not completely certain if it's still draining my battery.
I just changed my battery last weekend. Best idea ever. I must've really done my old battery wrong because with this new battery I swear I have 2x-3x the battery life than I was getting before.
Will start messing with things and testing battery life. Currently using a CM13-based (MM) ROM (OctOs) and just installed Amplify because my idle time wasn't satisfactory at all. Feels like built-in Doze does nothing.
KinScreen often just "dies" on me, does not switch screen on at times. I got horribly annoyed that I went back to GravityScreen. I turned off the "motion" settings in Gravity Screen. My screen response upon phone pickup is much better now, and I don't have this black screen problem any more.
Yesterday I got the best results yet. Idle drain with screen off is 3.3% and that's great. That's with Greenify (w/ Xposed / Donate), PowerNap (Xposed), Lux (paid), and GravityScreen (paid). PowerNap is set to engage at 80% and 20% respectively.
Hi guys, I have a new Moto X (amazing and beautiful phone). On stock lollipop I have an huge battery life with moderate use. So the question is:
What is better for battery life?
a) stock rooted kitkat
b) MM rom (what rom?)
Hope someone can reply Thanks to all guys!
Personally on my original Moto X I'm using the Debloated Lollipop. With PMP to disable location / wakelock on certain apps. I get about 2 days battery on moderate use. Email and whats app running in the background
Sorry but what's PMP?
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Personally on my original Moto X I'm using the Debloated Lollipop. With PMP to disable location / wakelock on certain apps. I get about 2 days battery on moderate use. Email and whats app running in the background
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mic141414 said:
Sorry but what's PMP?
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Protect My Privacy (PMP)
http://repo.xposed.info/module/org.synergylabs.pmpandroid
It's an xposed module. Think Xprivacy but simpler.
It let's me disable wakelocks on app by app base.
Aka I don't ever want youtube to wake up
Also use boot manager to prevent apps from auto starting.
One thing I don't use anymore is greenify.
I'm running Android 7.0 Beta. In the Greenify app the Aggressive Dozel Mode now needs permissions granted via a PC. In Android Marshmallow, in non-root mode, you could simply go into aggressive doze mode by turning it on. Does anyone know if this feature will be back in Android N? I'm very interested in hearing all replies. Thank you in advance... Keith G
Keith G said:
I'm running Android 7.0 Beta. In the Greenify app the Aggressive Dozel Mode now needs permissions granted via a PC. In Android Marshmallow, in non-root mode, you could simply go into aggressive doze mode by turning it on. Does anyone know if this feature will be back in Android N? I'm very interested in hearing all replies. Thank you in advance... Keith G
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Is greenify really necessary for you on nougat? I mean with the new kernel and battery saving modes....you can get almost 2 days of moderate usage on high settings..and about 20 hours on mid settings...even 15 hours on normal mode.
stormonya said:
Is greenify really necessary for you on nougat? I mean with the new kernel and battery saving modes....you can get almost 2 days of moderate usage on high settings..and about 20 hours on mid settings...even 15 hours on normal mode.
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I've ask myself that since Marshmallow actually. I've been using Greenify for so long now that it just may be a habit. I've come to the conclusion that, when it comes to battery life, every little bit helps and Greenify has helped in Androids M and N.. Keith G
I'm looking a way to improve my battery life I'm running android nougat 7.1.1 please help tell me ROM kernels tweaks ect. Thanks
TechGuy081 said:
I'm looking a way to improve my battery life I'm running android nougat 7.1.1 please help tell me ROM kernels tweaks ect. Thanks
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Flashing Franco's Kernel (which is geared towards extending battery life) and Franco's Nap Time (which puts your phone in deep doze mode as soon as the screen goes off) will give you better battery life, but with a trade-off negativity affecting the performance and functionality of your phone. You have to decide how important extending battery life is to you.
jhs39 said:
Flashing Franco's Kernel (which is geared towards extending battery life) and Franco's Nap Time (which puts your phone in deep doze mode as soon as the screen goes off) will give you better battery life, but with a trade-off negativity affecting the performance and functionality of your phone. You have to decide how important extending battery life is to you.
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what rom would you recommend and also are there any downsides for franco nap time?
Pure Nexus ROM
Flash or ElementalX kernel
DrunkSauce 6P profile
Dark wallpapers and substratum theme
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what rom would you recommend and also are there any downsides for franco nap time?
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I use Cortex Rom, I see someone else recommended Pure Nexus, which I think is an insanely overrated Rom. I've never used a rom to improve battery life but Pure Nexus gave me crap battery life compared with stock and was buggy to boot. The downside with Naptime is that everything pretty much stops working when the screen is off unless you exempt the app from power saving. That includes music playing apps, email apps, text messaging apps--whatever you want to work you need to exempt from power saving. If you let Nap Time turn off your proximity sensors then the only way to get your phone back in on is by hitting the power button.
Hello, so okay I agree the title is a bit too dramatic but I'm veryyy frustrated, so basically I've owned three android smartphones so far:
Samsung galaxy grand prime ve
OnePlus X
OnePlus 5
(a steady increase in specs)
And I have a question: why can I not get reasonable battery performance on any phone? On my oneplus X when I bought it, for the first few months I used to get 2.5 SOT and then months later I started getting barely an hour (45mins). No matter which roms or kernels I flashed, it made no difference. Battery saver on? No difference Greenify on? A small negligible amount saved...
Infuriated by this I finally came to buy a OnePlus 5 which I thought would put an end to this. However here I am, full of my battery saving habits still in me (which I have done so much research on to make sure they don't make it worse, trust me, I could write a battery saving wiki) and with a draining oneplus 5 in my hands. I've tried different roms and different kernels but still the same bad problem : a DRAINING BATTERY... I can get through a day with 3hrs SOT if battery saving mode is turned on but with a normal stock OOS I could never. I don't understand... I've tried BBS and GSam to try and find the source of this and still nothing. So I have resorted to the unofficial RR which comes with Lighting kernel which I have underclocked and use with battery saving mode on (not android's, ex kernel manager's one). So I have finally turned to xda so someone may be able to help me.
Cheers
Ps: I don't believe I am a target of the NSA and I have a special phone that is customized to track me...
I'd be looking at the apps you haveinstalled... Sounds like there's something running in background eating away at your battery life...
Or it's an energy vampire living in your home....
I am getting radically different battery performance with this phone day to day. One day it'll get a solids like 6.5 hours SoT and others I'll get like 4. Various issues it seems. Shouldnt be that hard to get consistent battery life.
Agree with above. Only common denominator here is you / your apps. But, stock+magisk with franco kernel and the app naptime is enough for me to get 5-7h sot out a full battery, but usually it's half full when I go to bed
You've mentioned that you tried many things to resolve this but I'll go ahead and tell you the things I use to make my battery last a little longer (hopefully there is something useful for you)
- Greenify with Magisk Module
- ForceDoze
- Location almost always on battery saving mode
- Force Doze for Google Play Services Magisk Module
- if WiFi is on, data will be off, and if data is on, then WiFi is off
- Bluetooth is always off if nothing is connected to it
- brightness is kept relatively low/halfway at most, the majority of the time
Running unofficial RR with Lightning Kernel v11 (1000hz version)
All this combined gives me roughly 9-9.5 SOT (about 140 apps installed)
If I forgot to mention anything, I'll edit it in here!
I've been very careful with my apps and I can't see what could be causing, I've tried third party Facebook apps instead of the official one for example and there's nothing strange installed.
Im_Mattgame said:
Hello, so okay I agree the title is a bit too dramatic but I'm veryyy frustrated, so basically I've owned three android smartphones so far:
Samsung galaxy grand prime ve
OnePlus X
OnePlus 5
(a steady increase in specs)
And I have a question: why can I not get reasonable battery performance on any phone? On my oneplus X when I bought it, for the first few months I used to get 2.5 SOT and then months later I started getting barely an hour (45mins). No matter which roms or kernels I flashed, it made no difference. Battery saver on? No difference Greenify on? A small negligible amount saved...
Infuriated by this I finally came to buy a OnePlus 5 which I thought would put an end to this. However here I am, full of my battery saving habits still in me (which I have done so much research on to make sure they don't make it worse, trust me, I could write a battery saving wiki) and with a draining oneplus 5 in my hands. I've tried different roms and different kernels but still the same bad problem : a DRAINING BATTERY... I can get through a day with 3hrs SOT if battery saving mode is turned on but with a normal stock OOS I could never. I don't understand... I've tried BBS and GSam to try and find the source of this and still nothing. So I have resorted to the unofficial RR which comes with Lighting kernel which I have underclocked and use with battery saving mode on (not android's, ex kernel manager's one). So I have finally turned to xda so someone may be able to help me.
Cheers
Ps: I don't believe I am a target of the NSA and I have a special phone that is customized to track me...
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Try with basic steps. Factory reset then:
1) Have totally stock OP5 - no "battery saving tricks", no apps. Run a bit. What is SOT? If less then average of 5-6 hours - either you have a "curse"/NSA tracking you or defective hardware.
2) Install your "battery saving trick" one by one testing after now and then. Are there any improvements in SOT? If yes, then write your wiki page, share your findings . If not, write your wiki page and tell us what application is a culprit.
3) Rinse and repeat until no more application left to install or you got bored.
I'm getting incredibly poor battery life after the latest update. I haven't let it fully deplete yet so maybe it just needs recalibrated?
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I'm getting incredibly poor battery life after the latest update. I haven't let it fully deplete yet so maybe it just needs recalibrated?
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There`s alot of sstuff activated on your 1+5. Try turning it off and check the SoT afterwards. Also some people were complaining because their Android-System was consuming way too much energy.
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There`s alot of sstuff activated on your 1+5. Try turning it off and check the SoT afterwards. Also some people were complaining because their Android-System was consuming way too much energy.
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Oops, I meant to follow up on this. Android System and Google Play were causing a lot of wakelocks. I cleared cache in the Google Play and Google Services apps sad now I'm back to my typical 6-7 hours SoT.