Just wondering how much an OC kernel actually helps with normal activities in non-gaming situations (such as browsing, java loading, etc). Besides benchmarks, does anyone TRULY notice a difference going from say 1.3 to 1.7?
I see the Tegra 3+ is out in the One X+ and wondering if we can OC to match?
I can say that some apps and games will load up faster and seem to run a little better but since this tablet already handles that so well it's hard for me to really pinpoint when something is going faster than normal.
I run mine at 1.5. Seems pretty snappy to me. Then again...it seemed pretty fast from the get go. I came from a cheap 7" Coby.
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I'm running Franco's kernel which runs the GPU at 484 MHz (OC from the stock 416MHz). The CPU is not overclockable with this kernel, which at first I wasn't happy with, as I usually OC my Nexus 7 at about 1.5GHz, dependent upon my mood . However, I haven't noticed a single difference in the real world. This kernel still hits 4800 points in Quadrant and 11`500 points in Antutu! Probably due to the slight GPU over clock xD.
CPU overclocking = impressive benchmarking, but little real world improvement and battery drain. Plus decreased life span on CPU.
GPU over clocking = much better gaming performance, big real world difference in gaming and little/no battery drain. More importantly though, NOVA 3 becomes 100 lag free!
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I'm running Franco's kernel which runs the GPU at 484 MHz (OC from the stock 416MHz). The CPU is not overclockable with this kernel, which at first I wasn't happy with, as I usually OC my Nexus 7 at about 1.5GHz, dependent upon my mood . However, I haven't noticed a single difference in the real world. This kernel still hits 4800 points in Quadrant and 11`500 points in Antutu! Probably due to the slight GPU over clock xD.
CPU overclocking = impressive benchmarking, but little real world improvement and battery drain. Plus decreased life span on CPU.
GPU over clocking = much better gaming performance, big real world difference in gaming and little/no battery drain. More importantly though, NOVA 3 becomes 100 lag free!
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Thank you very much for answering that is exactly the kind of response I wanted.
Does this use more battery? I notice it keeps the first two cores at 1026 and 1512.
And the other two at 384 and 1512.
What benefits do you get for turning mp decision off?
I've tried a couple kernels but don't get the smoothness I get with stock on 4.2.2.
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Benefit is increased battery life. The sacrifice is less smoothness. I haven't used a kernel without mpdecision that is as smooth as one with it. I tried to convince myself that others were, but when I went back, the difference was very noticeable.
I'm getting the Nexus 4 in about a week, just wondering what the battery life is like
if the CPU is down clocked all the way to 1.0Ghz an you under volt it by a few MV?
Also what's performance like at 1Ghz?
Just relax and enjoy your phone when it arrived. You will see that there is no need to do anything about battery. Battery is just good out of box.
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Christopher.F said:
I'm getting the Nexus 4 in about a week, just wondering what the battery life is like
if the CPU is down clocked all the way to 1.0Ghz an you under volt it by a few MV?
Also what's performance like at 1Ghz?
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Try it yourself in a week, not every phone is setup equally in terms of installed apps and widgets and usage. Other factors like gaming, streaming music and video`s etc etc play a roll in battery life. No one can answer this question for you.
I found when running Shadowrun Returns with the ElementalX 1.4 kernel http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2389022 at 1.944 GHZ the back of the Nexus 7 gets hot. This worried me but I noticed when I installed the kernel was an option to use cool thermal throttling. I tried this and now the tablet does not heat up at all. You need to be rooted though to install the kerne of course not sure if ElementalX 1.4 works with stock though, I'm running the latest CM 10.2 nightly. It doesn't seem to affect the performance of either Shadowrun Returns or Wild Blood, the two games I'm playing at the moment, I still have the GPU overclocked to 487 and the Dalvik etc overclocked at the moderate ElementalX setting. . I think being able to run at 1.944 GHZ on my tablet with the cooler thermal throttling is better then running at stock and I believe that even some running at stock have that issue.
Hope this helps others that have this problem.
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I found when running Shadowrun Returns with the ElementalX 1.4 kernel http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2389022 at 1.944 GHZ the back of the Nexus 7 gets hot. This worried me but I noticed when I installed the kernel was an option to use cool thermal throttling. I tried this and now the tablet does not heat up at all. You need to be rooted though to install the kerne of course not sure if ElementalX 1.4 works with stock though, I'm running the latest CM 10.2 nightly. It doesn't seem to affect the performance of either Shadowrun Returns or Wild Blood, the two games I'm playing at the moment, I still have the GPU overclocked to 487 and the Dalvik etc overclocked at the moderate ElementalX setting. . I think being able to run at 1.944 GHZ on my tablet with the cooler thermal throttling is better then running at stock and I believe that even some running at stock have that issue.
Hope this helps others that have this problem.
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That's a good sign as you know the heat is being distributed effectively away from the internals. You don't need to be rooted to flash custom kernel. And setting different governors will have a major impact on your CPU.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=28002345
About The Heat At Least I'm Sure My Advice Is Sound.
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That's a good sign as you know the heat is being distributed effectively away from the internals. You don't need to be rooted to flash custom kernel. And setting different governors will have a major impact on your CPU.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=28002345
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You might be right about not needing to root to install a custom kernel though I couldn't find a definitive answer in the Nexus 7 2013 forums. I assumed it was needed from using custom kernels on other devices.
My device gets hot while gaming. When you are doing intense gaming like I am I'm sure pretty much any governor will max out the CPU. I know Intellidemand which I use does for sure.
When overclocking, heat is the enemy and it can damage, crash CPUs and even affect the performance of them. I believe if you are concerned about your Nexus 7 heating up (mine does for a good area between the logo and the camera when not using the ElementalX cool thermal throttling) then my advice is good.
Peace.
P.S. How the heck have you done 675 posts since June 2013?
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You might be right about not needing to root to install a custom kernel though I couldn't find a definitive answer in the Nexus 7 2013 forums. I assumed it was needed from using custom kernels on other devices.
My device gets hot while gaming. When you are doing intense gaming like I am I'm sure pretty much any governor will max out the CPU. I know Intellidemand which I use does for sure.
When overclocking, heat is the enemy and it can damage, crash CPUs and even affect the performance of them. I believe if you are concerned about your Nexus 7 heating up (mine does for a good area between the logo and the camera when not using the ElementalX cool thermal throttling) then my advice is good.
Peace.
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Kernel is flashed separately from the ROM. Rooting is only for running apps like Trickster Mod to configure to kernel. Otherwise you can have stock 4.3 ROM with any kernel you want. Heating up will obvious affect performance due to thermal throttling but I was not concerned of damage even when the CPU of my 2012 Nexus 7 got to 80 degrees celsius from running overclocked performance stress test under direct sunlight in a case. If your CPU crashes then it's likely not overclocked correctly. Otherwise if it remains stable under artificial stress test, it will handle any game no problem.
I would really appreciate if someone explain me how exactly this function works?
I mean, tablet don't have fan, so how it keeps the cpu cool, and also what this option does to my nexus in order to keep it cooler?
I would not over clock this device. It us more than fast enough for any Android game.
Throttling does just what the word describes. In basic terms your cpu will be slowed down when getting hot and this defeats the purpose of over clocking.
I won't mention the instability that can be caused or the possibility of doing damage.
Just my thoughts.. To each how own and I do have my I7 pc cpu over clocked big time but it has a huge fan.
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I agreed, throttling and over clock doesn't make sense but this CPU is underclocked and it is designed to go higher like the one on the galaxy s4 and the GPU is meant to go higher but due to battery life Google underclock it
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Blade Zero (W1nst0n) said:
I agreed, throttling and over clock doesn't make sense but this CPU is underclocked and it is designed to go higher like the one on the galaxy s4 and the GPU is meant to go higher but due to battery life Google underclock it
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Well , its not under clocked by Google, this is underclocked cheap from the factory , its just a lower bin s600 that has been rebranded as S4 Pro .. If it was regular s600 it wouldn't be underclocked .
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I would really appreciate if someone explain me how exactly this function works?
I mean, tablet don't have fan, so how it keeps the cpu cool, and also what this option does to my nexus in order to keep it cooler?
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When the CPU reaches a certain temperature threshold it begins to cycle down the CPU speed in order to cool down the processor. It makes the CPU start running at lower frequencies to keep it cool.
Exactly, so a quick oc and u got a better processor without worries of damaging the chip
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Hey,
If your CPU is getting hot (especially if it's overclocked and hitting 80 C or near to it) At 1944 the back of my case would get noticeably hot. I still say it isn't good for the CPU. From what I know about overclocking if any CPU gets too hot it can damage the CPU or degrade it over time. I definitely wouldn't want it even getting to 80C before it throttles but I found in Trickster Mod, even the free version, you can set the throttling to custom settings if you are rooted. Custom kernels set their voltages to scale depending on the clock speed which means lower clock speeds, less voltages, less heat. I'd rather keep the temps lower on the CPU then risk damaging the device or degrading it over time. Also you can undervolt the CPU at the kernel different clock speeds so it heats up less. You can run the free AnTuTu Benchmark stability test to see if your clock speed voltages are stable and will not crash your device. I have my CPU overclocked to 1944, thermal throttling down clocks the CPU to 1836 at 73 C, 1620 at 75 C, 1512 at 77 C and 1134 at 80 C. My voltages I lowered and are stable at 1944 - 1087500, 1890 - 1062500, 1836 - 1035000, 1728 - 1025000, 1620 - 1000000, 1512 - 987500. The lower voltages are undervolted as well but not going to list them all here.
Peace,
KedarWolf
P.S. When it was posted in this thread you can install custom kernels without rooting it is correct, I recall reading that at one point. Like it was said to use Trickster Mod, change governors or custom throttling settings you need to be rooted.
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Would this phone work well with Pokémon go?
Wanted to hear from players. Want to know if battery drain, GPS, heat, or GPU are issues.
I've read some conflicting accounts. Wanted to know if running MM stock would be fine. If any particular mods are needed.
Works well in my end. Stock MM w/custom kernel, no gps and gpu problems. Have battery drain though because my cpu governor is always on "performance", have 2 spare battery for the remedy lol. I Like my phone to have snappy performance downside is 4 to 5hrs of heavy use and gaming.
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rodynares said:
Works well in my end. Stock MM w/custom kernel, no gps and gpu problems. Have battery drain though because my cpu governor is always on "performance", have 2 spare battery for the remedy lol. I Like my phone to have snappy performance downside is 4 to 5hrs of heavy use and gaming.
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That's actually pretty good battery IMO. Is that on one battery? I'm assuming regular performance or even undervolt would be more that enough for pokemongo?