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[Q] How to verify if it's a Clone? / Weird IMEI (SM-N9006)

Hi there,
I currently have an LG G2 that I paid 330$C a week ago and I found someone with a Galaxy Note 3 like new that his aunt gave him and that he finds too big blah blah blah
Now, it's a very interesting offer because I'm missing so badly my S2's removable battery and extensible sd card, and also worth nothing that some people then trade Galaxy Note 3 for Galaxy S5
Now, I'm supposed to see the dude tomorrow to do the trade, but 2 things made me unsure if it's a legit unit or a clone. First, the IMEI he told me points to a Galaxy Note 10.1 N8000, on two sites I checked, the IMEI says it's a tablet but that it's compatible to the network. Is it possible that this is indeed a Note 3 with an IMEI recognized as a Note 10.1?
Secondly, the model number he told me it is is the SM-N9006, which is a China model from what I've read on the internet. WCDMA version. Now I think there's no problem for that to work with my network (Bell Canada), altho I'm really unsure for LTE compatibility. I didn't find reliable source for complete specification sheet on this model. Maybe someone here can give me light about the bands it uses and if it's really the SnapDragon 800 version?
Now since we're in Montreal here in Canada, I wonder why and how could he buy a China model in here, that's curious. And the IMEI pointing to other samsung device? What's up with this do you guys think? Is it a phone that is gonna give me troubles or could it be fine and the real deal??
How to check if it's a Clone? What about the IMEI? If I ask him to install the Antutu app before we meet and that I run it and it scores 30 000+ and that the specs in the app say it's the snapdragon 800 procesor and 3gb RAM, could I believe it's the real deal? Because clones won't show with the real deal's procesor and RAM? And if I try it with my micro SIM card and that it works and I can make call and use internet, am I safe to go home with this phone knowing it's the real specs and work on network?
Big thanks for anyone helping me out with this!

First there's none WCDMA network in China...
China developed their own 3G system called TD-SCDMA...
And super king copy phone can display real phone info...
IMEI doesn't lie. Maybe the IMEI is cloned/tampered....
There's an app here in XDA (forgot where, its in Note 3 threads) that can check if its fake or real...

Manix123 said:
Hi there,
I currently have an LG G2 that I paid 330$C a week ago and I found someone with a Galaxy Note 3 like new that his aunt gave him and that he finds too big blah blah blah
Now, it's a very interesting offer because I'm missing so badly my S2's removable battery and extensible sd card, and also worth nothing that some people then trade Galaxy Note 3 for Galaxy S5
Now, I'm supposed to see the dude tomorrow to do the trade, but 2 things made me unsure if it's a legit unit or a clone. First, the IMEI he told me points to a Galaxy Note 10.1 N8000, on two sites I checked, the IMEI says it's a tablet but that it's compatible to the network. Is it possible that this is indeed a Note 3 with an IMEI recognized as a Note 10.1?
Secondly, the model number he told me it is is the SM-N9006, which is a China model from what I've read on the internet. WCDMA version. Now I think there's no problem for that to work with my network (Bell Canada), altho I'm really unsure for LTE compatibility. I didn't find reliable source for complete specification sheet on this model. Maybe someone here can give me light about the bands it uses and if it's really the SnapDragon 800 version?
Now since we're in Montreal here in Canada, I wonder why and how could he buy a China model in here, that's curious. And the IMEI pointing to other samsung device? What's up with this do you guys think? Is it a phone that is gonna give me troubles or could it be fine and the real deal??
How to check if it's a Clone? What about the IMEI? If I ask him to install the Antutu app before we meet and that I run it and it scores 30 000+ and that the specs in the app say it's the snapdragon 800 procesor and 3gb RAM, could I believe it's the real deal? Because clones won't show with the real deal's procesor and RAM? And if I try it with my micro SIM card and that it works and I can make call and use internet, am I safe to go home with this phone knowing it's the real specs and work on network?
Big thanks for anyone helping me out with this!
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Very simple.
Install Phone INFO ★Samsung★ app, go to 'Refurbishment Check' menu.

Honestly it sounds sketchy. I buy and sell phones as well as repair them and checking the iemi is the best thing to do. If it comes up with something else like it did in your case I would run away from it.
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So I'm not too thrilled about the 6 GB/64 GB version we're apparently getting in Canada, and am seriously considering getting an 8 GB/128 GB version on eBay, but I'm concerned about it being a Taiwanese SKU/serial.
Does anyone have any experience or thoughts as to whether it would work in Canada, if updates would come properly, etc - or better still if I could just flash it to the NA version on arrival, etc.? Thanks!

Hyacin said:
So I'm not too thrilled about the 6 GB/64 GB version we're apparently getting in Canada, and am seriously considering getting an 8 GB/128 GB version on eBay, but I'm concerned about it being a Taiwanese SKU/serial.
Does anyone have any experience or thoughts as to whether it would work in Canada, if updates would come properly, etc - or better still if I could just flash it to the NA version on arrival, etc.? Thanks!
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You must buy ww or Europe rom Version.
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Will any of the unlocked version work on Verizon?
I've been looking for complete specs... will any of the unlocked versions of this phone work on Verizon?

Make 8 GB Zenfone AR work on Verizon?
Hyacin said:
So I'm not too thrilled about the 6 GB/64 GB version we're apparently getting in Canada, and am seriously considering getting an 8 GB/128 GB version on eBay, but I'm concerned about it being a Taiwanese SKU/serial.
Does anyone have any experience or thoughts as to whether it would work in Canada, if updates would come properly, etc - or better still if I could just flash it to the NA version on arrival, etc.? Thanks!
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I am also super interested in the ability get an 8 GB version working on Verizon. If someone knows for sure a flash would get the correct bands and it's not a hardware issue, that would be terrific.

Buying the 8/256GB RAM/storage version in Europe.
At the moment I am only able to find this phone available for purchase in Sweden with 6GB of RAM and 128GB of internal storage. Does anyone know if a version with the highest specs will be available in the future? Why aren't the phone available with all options in every country? Where can I go to get a version with better specs?

sureiguess said:
I am also super interested in the ability get an 8 GB version working on Verizon. If someone knows for sure a flash would get the correct bands and it's not a hardware issue, that would be terrific.
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Bought my Verizon one yesterday. Based on the unlocked one I briefly got to fondle it does look to be a hardware limit.

The unlocked ones will not work on Verizon Sprint says in specs on Amazon website
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The Verizon one seems good so far just hope we can get some development for it.
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Because Amazon website has misinformation.

Well, I bit the bullet and just picked mine up. Haven't done anything to it yet but plug it in. Battery was at 15% so I need to let it charge first. Hate saying goodbye to root though....

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Because Amazon website has misinformation.
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The Amazon or global one is GSM network Verizon and Sprint use CDMA networks . So the info on their site is correct.
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sargon666777 said:
I've been looking for complete specs... will any of the unlocked versions of this phone work on Verizon?
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From my testing, the unlocked version will pick up Verizon LTE bands but calls fail since there is no VoLTE option on the phone. Did not pick up any of their 3G signals, and their system would not accept my IMEI as a compatible device. So it may work if you can convince Verizon to add the phone to their system, which is unlikely since they already have their own version.
FWIW I also tried it with a Sprint SIM, but got no service whatsoever and their system would not accept the IMEI. Thew in a Cricket/AT&T SIM and the phone worked as expected.

HipKat said:
Well, I bit the bullet and just picked mine up. Haven't done anything to it yet but plug it in. Battery was at 15% so I need to let it charge first. Hate saying goodbye to root though....
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I doubt you will miss it. The phone is beast enough. Enjoy it!

dantegl36 said:
I doubt you will miss it. The phone is beast enough. Enjoy it!
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I miss the high score I've built up in Klondike for the last 7 years and I miss all the notes I had in my Memo app and I definitely miss having Kernel options, because I'm not impressed with battery life at this point, but yeah, it's a beast. The screen is amazing. Like nothing I've ever seen before. The camera lives up to advertised and it's super fast.

Slack3r said:
From my testing, the unlocked version will pick up Verizon LTE bands but calls fail since there is no VoLTE option on the phone. Did not pick up any of their 3G signals, and their system would not accept my IMEI as a compatible device. So it may work if you can convince Verizon to add the phone to their system, which is unlikely since they already have their own version.
FWIW I also tried it with a Sprint SIM, but got no service whatsoever and their system would not accept the IMEI. Thew in a Cricket/AT&T SIM and the phone worked as expected.
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Which LTE Bands are you getting?
I'm on T-Mobile,seems we only have Band 2 support on the WW unlocked 8GB/128 GB Model.
I've already initiated a return w/the e-Bay seller,more than likely,it's going back tomorrow.
I'd been OK with Bands 2 & 4,which are listed here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=73425969&postcount=2
The fact that they let this .pdf out & it's not even accurate speaks volumes for North American support:Tone-Deaf would be a compliment...............

KOLIOSIS said:
Which LTE Bands are you getting?
I'm on T-Mobile,seems we only have Band 2 support on the WW unlocked 8GB/128 GB Model.
I've already initiated a return w/the e-Bay seller,more than likely,it's going back tomorrow.
I'd been OK with Bands 2 & 4,which are listed here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=73425969&postcount=2
The fact that they let this .pdf out & it's not even accurate speaks volumes for North American support:Tone-Deaf would be a compliment...............
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I was able to get service on 4 and 13 for Verizon, and 2 and 12 for Cricket/AT&T. It may support more, but I'm not aware of any apps that will let me scan for service on all bands. LTE Discovery mentioned a "Potential eCSFB issue" with the Verizon SIM which is likely because there was no CDMA support.
Fun fact... apparently the phone supports XLTE with Verizon, which led to a rather depressing speed test compared to my service with Cricket.

Slack3r said:
I was able to get service on 4 and 13 for Verizon, and 2 and 12 for Cricket/AT&T. It may support more, but I'm not aware of any apps that will let me scan for service on all bands. LTE Discovery mentioned a "Potential eCSFB issue" with the Verizon SIM which is likely because there was no CDMA support.
Fun fact... apparently the phone supports XLTE with Verizon, which led to a rather depressing speed test compared to my service with Cricket.
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Are your results with the VZW model,or,the unlocked model?

KOLIOSIS said:
Are your results with the VZW model,or,the unlocked model?
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These are from the Unlocked 8GB/128GB model from Amazon running the WW firmware.

Slack3r said:
These are from the Unlocked 8GB/128GB model from Amazon running the WW firmware.
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THX!,just wanted to make sure we were talking about the same model phone.
I'm gonna give it one more day,get around town & see if the connectivity is OK.
If spotty (w/Band 2 only) ,I'm sending it back,or,selling it on Swappa.
Outside of sparse LTE Band support,it's a nice phone,I really don't wanna part w/it so soon after getting it.
Haven't tried out the AR/VR Capabilities yet,but,I do like the display & the speaker quality/loudness.
TBH,I'm covered in WI-FI Most of the time,but,I did expect better LTE Band support nevertheless,especially for a DualSIM/Unlocked phone.
The fact that it's being sold on Amazon as-is seems to be Asus shooting themselves in the foot,certainly there'll be quite a few returns,once people find out connectivity is less than ideal for an unlocked phone,one that is marketed to the US/North America.

Update on mine, battery life is getting better now as the phone settles in. NOT impressed with Data though. I was in the country yesterday, my ASUS Zenpad had 2 bars of 4G and the Zenfone was in roam. Everything else is great, and living without root is bearable, I guess. Fortunately, my 7 year high score on Klondike is an X-Box Live/Google Play game and the score were carried over from the X Box cloud. I know that sounds silly but 7 years over multiple devices is a long time to build up a high score and was a major stress point going to a locked down device

Questions Re: International (or Latin) unlocked S10+ or Note10+ / T-Mobile

So I am looking to buy an international (or Latin) version of either the S10+ or the Note 10+.
I am on T-Mobile in the U.S.
1. How "bad" will it be if the phone has 3 out of T-Mobile's main bands? It only lacks 71, so what's the impact will be if I don't have band 71 on this phone with T-Mobile?
2. I read in the forum about flashing T-Mobile firmware on unlocked phones. How necessary is it? I prefer not to mess with flashing anything; done it in the past, I am not 'afraid' of it, but I just don't feel like going that route. Will I be missing anything from the T-Mobile network and services if I keep the phone in its stock ROM?
For example: Wifi Calling (important to me), VoLTE, etc. Will I have access to these features if I don't flash the carrier's firmware?
Thank you.

Band 71 is used only in rural areas where cell towers are very far apart . My phones have never used band 71. If you don't know what bands your phone typically is using you can download a free signal app from the Play Store that will show what band your phone is connected to. Unless you live in a very rural area or frequently find yourself in rural areas it's unlikely you need band 71.
Flashing T-Mobile firmware shouldn't be necessary. I don't have the international S10+ but rather the US unlocked model and I get both WiFi Calling and Volte fine without T-Mobile firmware.
I've used many different models of international unlocked phones from Xiaomi and Huawei on T-Mobile and always got both WiFi Calling and Volte to work with only one exception--the Mate 20 Pro. I had to get rid of that phone even though I really liked it because calls kept going to voicemail without the phone ever ringing first.
It turns out that on T-Mobile if your phone supports band 12 it also needs to support Volte or calls go straight to voicemail without ringing if the caller is using Volte . I never had that problem previously because in 5 years of using international unlocked phones the M20P was the first where Volte didn't work on T-Mobile.
There were lots of posts from T-Mobile customers in the XDA M20P threads about calls going straight to voicemail. I haven't read a single post about that issue with the S10+ so it's pretty safe to assume that the international S10+ works fine with Volte on T-Mobile.
Until the S8 Samsung didn't even sell a US unlocked model--everyone in the US with unlocked Samsung phones were using the international models with the Exynos chip and those phones always worked perfectly with T-Mobile which is very BYOP friendly (unlike AT&T).
The only thing you would be missing on the vanilla Samsung firmware is Visual Voicemail but last I checked you could just download the official T-Mobile Visual Voicemail app from the Play Store.
You would also receive your OTA updates from Samsung rather than T-Mobile but that's actually a plus because the unlocked Exynos models receive updates much more quickly than all of the US models including the unlocked Snapdragon models.
Sorry for the very long answer but I wanted to be thorough.
You should be fine with an international unlocked S10+ on T-Mobile. This is a much better phone than unlocked models from Google Pixel and One Plus so I would recommend going for it.
No manual flashing on your part will be necessary.

@jhs39 - Thank you for your extensive response. It is greatly appreciated!
OK, so I mostly use Band 4 with my current phone, which is one of TMB's main bands, so it seems like that indeed the lack of 71 won't be an issue.
However, how do I know if the Int. version will support VoLTE on the TMB network? I can't see anywhere any information about this phone even supports VoLTE (other than the carrier's model of course).
What about Video Calling?
Thanks again.

sbi1 said:
@jhs39 - Thank you for your extensive response. It is greatly appreciated!
OK, so I mostly use Band 4 with my current phone, which is one of TMB's main bands, so it seems like that indeed the lack of 71 won't be an issue.
However, how do I know if the Int. version will support VoLTE on the TMB network? I can't see anywhere any information about this phone even supports VoLTE (other than the carrier's model of course).
What about Video Calling?
Thanks again.
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If the international model didn't support Volte on T-Mobile there would be posts on XDA complaining about calls going straight to voicemail without the phone ringing. There were multiple threads about that issue in the M20P section but I haven't seen a single complaint about that happening with the S10+.
This phone has been out since early Spring so if there was a problem using the international model with T-Mobile somebody would have reported it by now.
I don’t know anything about video calling though because I use T-Mobile's network via an MVNO and my carrier doesn't offer video calling.

jhs39 said:
Band 71 is used only in rural areas where cell towers are very far apart . My phones have never used band 71. If you don't know what bands your phone typically is using you can download a free signal app from the Play Store that will show what band your phone is connected to. Unless you live in a very rural area or frequently find yourself in rural areas it's unlikely you need band 71.
Flashing T-Mobile firmware shouldn't be necessary. I don't have the international S10+ but rather the US unlocked model and I get both WiFi Calling and Volte fine without T-Mobile firmware.
I've used many different models of international unlocked phones from Xiaomi and Huawei on T-Mobile and always got both WiFi Calling and Volte to work with only one exception--the Mate 20 Pro. I had to get rid of that phone even though I really liked it because calls kept going to voicemail without the phone ever ringing first.
It turns out that on T-Mobile if your phone supports band 12 it also needs to support Volte or calls go straight to voicemail without ringing if the caller is using Volte . I never had that problem previously because in 5 years of using international unlocked phones the M20P was the first where Volte didn't work on T-Mobile.
There were lots of posts from T-Mobile customers in the XDA M20P threads about calls going straight to voicemail. I haven't read a single post about that issue with the S10+ so it's pretty safe to assume that the international S10+ works fine with Volte on T-Mobile.
Until the S8 Samsung didn't even sell a US unlocked model--everyone in the US with unlocked Samsung phones were using the international models with the Exynos chip and those phones always worked perfectly with T-Mobile which is very BYOP friendly (unlike AT&T).
The only thing you would be missing on the vanilla Samsung firmware is Visual Voicemail but last I checked you could just download the official T-Mobile Visual Voicemail app from the Play Store.
You would also receive your OTA updates from Samsung rather than T-Mobile but that's actually a plus because the unlocked Exynos models receive updates much more quickly than all of the US models including the unlocked Snapdragon models.
Sorry for the very long answer but I wanted to be thorough.
You should be fine with an international unlocked S10+ on T-Mobile. This is a much better phone than unlocked models from Google Pixel and One Plus so I would recommend going for it.
No manual flashing on your part will be necessary.
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That's odd. I'm using a mate 20X and the although it lacks bands 66 and 71 I don't get calls going to voicemail. In fact when viewing my historical phone signal via gsam app, it shows that I always receive a better signal than even the S10+ that I'm currently using. Both devices on T-Mobile USA.
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sbi1 said:
So I am looking to buy an international (or Latin) version of either the S10+ or the Note 10+.
I am on T-Mobile in the U.S.
1. How "bad" will it be if the phone has 3 out of T-Mobile's main bands? It only lacks 71, so what's the impact will be if I don't have band 71 on this phone with T-Mobile?
2. I read in the forum about flashing T-Mobile firmware on unlocked phones. How necessary is it? I prefer not to mess with flashing anything; done it in the past, I am not 'afraid' of it, but I just don't feel like going that route. Will I be missing anything from the T-Mobile network and services if I keep the phone in its stock ROM?
For example: Wifi Calling (important to me), VoLTE, etc. Will I have access to these features if I don't flash the carrier's firmware?
Thank you.[/QUOTE
I have the Hong Kong variant SM-G975 with T-Mobile. No issues with bands, VoLTE. Wifi Calling or 4G, no impact. You won't need to flash the device.
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varcor said:
I have the Hong Kong variant SM-G975 with T-Mobile. No issues with bands, VoLTE. Wifi Calling or 4G, no impact. You won't need to flash the device.
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Thanks @varcor . What about Video calling?
BTW - is it 975F or something else?

I use Skype for Video Calling, it works fine. Mine is an SM-G9750, the best price I've seen is on Ebay. The only issue is when you first get the device you'll need to change the language since it's setup in Mandarin. A bit challenging but not a big deal. The Ebay vendor is in Houston which is where the device ships from, only takes a few days.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Ga...im-FACTORY-UNLOCKED-6-4-8GB-RAM-/192846270776

varcor said:
I use Skype for Video Calling, it works fine. Mine is an SM-G9750, the best I've seen is on Ebay. The only issue is when you first get the device you'll need to change the language since it's setup in Mandarin. A bit challenging but not a big deal. The Ebay vendor is in Houston which is where the device ships from, only takes a few days.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Ga...im-FACTORY-UNLOCKED-6-4-8GB-RAM-/192846270776
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Oh yeah, the legendary Never MSRP.
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Yep, I've bought a number of devices from them, won't use anyone else. Lowest prices, great customer service as well.

varcor said:
I use Skype for Video Calling, it works fine. Mine is an SM-G9750, the best price I've seen is on Ebay. The only issue is when you first get the device you'll need to change the language since it's setup in Mandarin. A bit challenging but not a big deal. The Ebay vendor is in Houston which is where the device ships from, only takes a few days.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Ga...im-FACTORY-UNLOCKED-6-4-8GB-RAM-/192846270776
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I must the F model. I travel to Israel with a local SIM and they use the F model, and it's the only possibility I have to use their WiFi calling while there. I am not 100% sure it'll work because of firmware but better chances with F model.
Thanks.

Limeybastard said:
That's odd. I'm using a mate 20X and the although it lacks bands 66 and 71 I don't get calls going to voicemail. In fact when viewing my historical phone signal via gsam app, it shows that I always receive a better signal than even the S10+ that I'm currently using. Both devices on T-Mobile USA.
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Not having bands 66 & 71 don't cause the problem with T-Mobile calls going straight to voicemail--if band 12 is supported on a phone T-Mobile assumes the phone also supports Volte and if it doesn't then you get calls going straight to voicemail.
I'm not familiar with the Mate 20X but before the M20P I had a P20 Pro, Mate 10 Pro and P10 Pro and none of those phones had an issue because T-Mobile Volte worked with all of them.
It's also possible the problem with the P20 Pro was fixed after I got rid of the phone since it was a firmware issue that was fixable in a software update . I kept mine for 6 months before throwing in the towel. The only workaround was to turn off 4G in the network settings. With 4G off you would receive all calls since Volte is a 4G function.
I personally love Huawei phones. Hopefully after Trump is gone all of the nonsense with Huawei being barred from using Google apps and bullied out of the US market will go away but they might decide selling their products here isn't worth the aggravation.
I've also used a bunch of unlocked Xiaomi phones on T-Mobile with no issues. A nice feature in MIUI is that if Volte doesn't work out of the box there's a dial code you can enter to manually enable it.
Band 66 is an offload for band 4 when band 4 traffic is high but if a phone doesn't have band 66 it just stays on 4 so not having 66 on an unlocked phone has never caused any problems for me.
Band 71 is only live in parts of the country and is relatively new. It can transmit a signal over unusually long distances and is used to provide cell coverage in rural areas where it would cost too much to build a full network of cell towers.

jhs39 said:
Not having bands 66 & 71 don't cause the problem with T-Mobile calls going straight to voicemail--if band 12 is supported on a phone T-Mobile assumes the phone also supports Volte and if it doesn't then you get calls going straight to voicemail.
I'm not familiar with the Mate 20X but before the M20P I had a P20 Pro, Mate 10 Pro and P10 Pro and none of those phones had an issue because T-Mobile Volte worked with all of them.
It's also possible the problem with the P20 Pro was fixed after I got rid of the phone since it was a firmware issue that was fixable in a software update . I kept mine for 6 months before throwing in the towel. The only workaround was to turn off 4G in the network settings. With 4G off you would receive all calls since Volte is a 4G function.
I personally love Huawei phones. Hopefully after Trump is gone all of the nonsense with Huawei being barred from using Google apps and bullied out of the US market will go away but they might decide selling their products here isn't worth the aggravation.
I've also used a bunch of unlocked Xiaomi phones on T-Mobile with no issues. A nice feature in MIUI is that if Volte doesn't work out of the box there's a dial code you can enter to manually enable it.
Band 66 is an offload for band 4 when band 4 traffic is high but if a phone doesn't have band 66 it just stays on 4 so not having 66 on an unlocked phone has never caused any problems for me.
Band 71 is only live in parts of the country and is relatively new. It can transmit a signal over unusually long distances and is used to provide cell coverage in rural areas where it would cost too much to build a full network of cell towers.
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P20 pro was certified and worked fully on T-Mobile , most devices after that were not.
I don't think my mate 20x connected to band 12, but if it did, then yes it'll probably go straight to voicemail.
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sbi1 said:
I must the F model. I travel to Israel with a local SIM and they use the F model, and it's the only possibility I have to use their WiFi calling while there. I am not 100% sure it'll work because of firmware but better chances with F model.
Thanks.
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The SM-G975F is the Exynos SoC variant for Europe. The SM-G9750 has the Snapdragon SoC and dual SIM's as well. Wifi Calling will work on both devices in any region, including Israel as long as the service provider offers it. The only thing I would recommend is you do some research on Exynos vs Snapdragon SoC's in the S10. Good luck!

varcor said:
The SM-G975F is the Exynos SoC variant for Europe. The SM-G9750 has the Snapdragon SoC and dual SIM's as well. Wifi Calling will work on both devices in any region, including Israel as long as the service provider offers it. The only thing I would recommend is you do some research on Exynos vs Snapdragon SoC's in the S10. Good luck!
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I am aware of the differences between the two chips.
In regards to WiFi Calling - I am a bit skeptical. This provider does have WiFi calling services, however they have a list of devices that are supported. Clearly they list devices and firmwares that they sell, not BYOD phones, and they sell the F version. I currently use ZTE Axon 7, I have WiFi calling on T-Mobile but it does not work on the Israeli network and when I try to 'register' it for this service through their app, it clearly says that the device is not supported.
That being said - I can't tell you if my phone doesn't work on their WF calling because it's not even sold in Israel. It could very well be that any version of Galaxy S10+ will be supported regardless of firmware. simply because it is sold there. Clearly there is no way to know this beforehand. I asked them, they of course can only guarantee phones that are sold by them and are on the list.
BTW - the Israeli version of the 975F is single SIM, they don't have the D/S, although I can't imagine this should have any impact of phone supporting or not supporting WF calling.
What's the difference between the F and the O, other than the region they are sold in?
Thanks.

Limeybastard said:
P20 pro was certified and worked fully on T-Mobile , most devices after that were not.
I don't think my mate 20x connected to band 12, but if it did, then yes it'll probably go straight to voicemail.
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Devices don't need to be certified by T-Mobile to work with Volte. All of my recent Xiaomi phones worked with Volte--none of the models were officially sold in the US or certified by T-Mobile. The P20 Pro was not sold in the US so there was zero reason for it to be certified by T-Mobile. The last Huawei phone officially sold here was the Mate 10 Pro. AT&T and Verizon require that devices be certified by them to work with Volte on their networks but T-Mobile does not. T-Mobile is very BYOP friendly.

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Devices don't need to be certified by T-Mobile to work with Volte. All of my recent Xiaomi phones worked with Volte--none of the models were officially sold in the US or certified by T-Mobile. The P20 Pro was not sold in the US so there was zero reason for it to be certified by T-Mobile. The last Huawei phone officially sold here was the Mate 10 Pro. AT&T and Verizon require that devices be certified by them to work with Volte on their networks but T-Mobile does not. T-Mobile is very BYOP friendly.
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Thanks for the clarification. So why is it then that same device , but using different sim card would show the Volte toggle or hide it from the user menu? Example, mate 20 does have Volte capabilities yet its missing the Volte toggle switch. I know on the Xioami devices one can enter a #*code to force it show that option. I think what makes it even more convulsing is that Huawei global versions have various region firmware via their Cust codes. Each one I noticed behaves slighly different using same T-Mobile SIM card. Cheers
You mentioned all calls went to VM on up 20pro, why do you think that was the case, you mentioned earlier that you thought possibly it may have been firmware related amongst other things.
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I am aware of the differences between the two chips.
In regards to WiFi Calling - I am a bit skeptical. This provider does have WiFi calling services, however they have a list of devices that are supported. Clearly they list devices and firmwares that they sell, not BYOD phones, and they sell the F version. I currently use ZTE Axon 7, I have WiFi calling on T-Mobile but it does not work on the Israeli network and when I try to 'register' it for this service through their app, it clearly says that the device is not supported.
That being said - I can't tell you if my phone doesn't work on their WF calling because it's not even sold in Israel. It could very well be that any version of Galaxy S10+ will be supported regardless of firmware. simply because it is sold there. Clearly there is no way to know this beforehand. I asked them, they of course can only guarantee phones that are sold by them and are on the list.
BTW - the Israeli version of the 975F is single SIM, they don't have the D/S, although I can't imagine this should have any impact of phone supporting or not supporting WF calling.
What's the difference between the F and the O, other than the region they are sold in?
Thanks.
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You're correct regarding Single SIM for the SM-G975F, the Dual SIM option is available in the SM-G975F/DS. I personally wouldn't consider obtaining a device in Israel if the majority of the time I'm the US. The major differences are SoC's, a minor difference in CPU Clock Speed and Cores. The SM-G975F has no FM Radio and offers fewer Primary Network capabilities. You can view a back-to-back comparison here.
https://www.phonemore.com/compare/p...gb-vs-galaxy-s10-plus-sm-g9750-128gb/10134260
This is quite different than your original question but with that being stated I would be confident enough in the SM-G9750's compatibility with the Israeli network for Wifi Calling. The worst case is not having Wifi Calling in Israel, which isn't an absolute necessity however you'll have the Snapdragon SoC which is a far better chipset with fewer bugs. For me it's the obvious choice if I were faced with your considerations.
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varcor said:
You're correct regarding Single SIM for the SM-G975F, the Dual SIM option is available in the SM-G975F/DS. I personally wouldn't consider obtaining a device in Israel if the majority of the time I'm the US. The major differences are SoC's, a minor difference in CPU Clock Speed and Cores. The SM-G975F has no FM Radio and offers fewer Primary Network capabilities. You can view a back-to-back comparison here.
https://www.phonemore.com/compare/p...gb-vs-galaxy-s10-plus-sm-g9750-128gb/10134260
This is quite different than your original question but with that being stated I would be confident enough in the SM-G9750's compatibility with the Israeli network for Wifi Calling. The worst case is not having Wifi Calling in Israel, which isn't an absolute necessity however you'll have the Snapdragon SoC which is a far better chipset with fewer bugs. For me it's the obvious choice if I were faced with your considerations.
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SoC, meaning the chip?
You see, your definition of "worst case not having Wifi calling" is important to me , simply because where I usually stay in Israel there is almost no reception at all (inside the house I am staying in), that's the main reason I want a device that will be able to use their Wifi calling.
Also, I looked at the eBay seller that you mention and I don't even think he carries the O model any more, all I see is the F model, unless of course I am missing something.
Thanks.

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SoC, meaning the chip?
You see, your definition of "worst case not having Wifi calling" is important to me , simply because where I usually stay in Israel there is almost no reception at all (inside the house I am staying in), that's the main reason I want a device that will be able to use their Wifi calling.
Also, I looked at the eBay seller that you mention and I don't even think he carries the O model any more, all I see is the F model, unless of course I am missing something.
Thanks.
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SoC is System on Chip, same as Chipset. If Wifi calling is a top priority buy the Exynos device to be certain but be advised there are numerous concerns over the chipset on XDA and other sites, plus Network Aggrigaton for Exynos in the US has issues with some T-Mobile clients. You may lose Wifi Calling or VoLTE in the US.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/s10-plus/help/exynos-att-t-mobile-t3920491
They still offer the SM-G9750, the link I shared is correct, not sure you missed something. The also sell the SM-G975F and SM-G975F/DS.

Dual Sim not enabled in USA?

Read one review that said you can't use Dual SIM in the USA right now? Anyone know if that's true and an ETA/or if It'll eventually come? Can't use my 7Pro with Dual Sim because my work verizon account won't let me switch to "CDMA Less" so when I saw the 8Pro supports CDMA I was excited.........then I read that.
Anyone have any more info?
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I'm wondering the same thing. I want to order the unlocked OP8 pro from OP's website tomorrow but if the dual sim is disabled, there's no way to know when they are going to update it to enable dual sim. I want to dual sim out of the box, otherwise it's useless for me. My OP7 currently has two sims in it.

If you buy the carrier versions of this then no you will not have dual SIM, however if you get the unlocked version from OP themselves then you will be able to use dual SIM. Or at least this is how all previous versions have worked. Only caveat I would think is if you are a Verizon customer as I think they need the specific Verizon version.
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bkeaver said:
If you buy the carrier versions of this then no you will not have dual SIM, however if you get the unlocked version from OP themselves then you will be able to use dual SIM. Or at least this is how all previous versions have worked. Only caveat I would think is if you are a Verizon customer as I think they need the specific Verizon version.
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I am on Verizon but if I wanted 5G, then I need to get the 5G VZW UWB version, is that right? But the only caveat is that they don't offer the Pro with VWZ 5G and only the standard OP8?

My understanding, and maybe I am mistaken, that the pro also comes in that version for Verizon.
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My understanding, and maybe I am mistaken, that the pro also comes in that version for Verizon.
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Unfortunately it appears Verizon will only offer the non-pro model in the 12 GB RAM configuration for $799 but in two colors.
https://www.androidinfotech.com/oneplus-8-5g-uw-verizon-wireless/

Hey guys I just got the OP8 Pro version and dual sim is disabled , and obviously I ordered directly through ONE plus

daillcyruz said:
Hey guys I just got the OP8 Pro version and dual sim is disabled , and obviously I ordered directly through ONE plus
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Straight from OnePlus support today:
"as the device is just out and the first software update/OTA is yet to be released, it is recommended to wait for it rather than doing a reset to the device as the system itself says that it will be fixed on the upcoming update and you can change from single to dual."
Already RMA'ing it up and sending back. When/if it's ever enabled I'll give it another shot.
Borderline deceptive advertising IMHO.

vexille said:
Straight from OnePlus support today:
"as the device is just out and the first software update/OTA is yet to be released, it is recommended to wait for it rather than doing a reset to the device as the system itself says that it will be fixed on the upcoming update and you can change from single to dual."
Already RMA'ing it up and sending back. When/if it's ever enabled I'll give it another shot.
Borderline deceptive advertising IMHO.
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Pretty bummed out. I also ordered directly from OP. My T-Mobile (home) sim is in the first slot, and my work (AT&T) is in the second. I thought it must've been a mistake when I first saw the error, as I've used OnePlus phones ever since the OP5T and haven't seen this *not* work one day 1.

Bummed here too. Got mine today and was looking fwd to popping work and personal SIMs in but SIM2 is a no go. DM'd OP support on Twitter and was told it should work out of the box. I directed them to this thread and screenshots from my device. Crickets.....

julesism said:
Bummed here too. Got mine today and was looking fwd to popping work and personal SIMs in but SIM2 is a no go. DM'd OP support on Twitter and was told it should work out of the box. I directed them to this thread and screenshots from my device. Crickets.....
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I'm seeing in other threads that others seem to have it working (UK users, at least). Have you heard anything back from OP yet? I wonder if removing the second sim and putting it back will trigger something

The response I got was that they, "found that there is an issue with the Dual SIM." and "The team said they will roll out an update which would fix this issue." No ETA given and I didn't respond. I ended up listing and selling my OP8P on Swappa.

ARGH, hope they fix this soon so I can pull the trigger and buy one! Course until then my OP7P will work

Only response I've been able to get from OnePlus is:
This is to inform you that as of now we do not any official information regarding this. We request you to stay tuned to our social media channels for future updates.

Flapjack said:
I'm seeing in other threads that others seem to have it working (UK users, at least). Have you heard anything back from OP yet? I wonder if removing the second sim and putting it back will trigger something
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UK always been dual sim. Same for almost all the world except USA. What is with Yr networks over there being weirdos... Can't fathom why OP would block their usa unlocked variants from dual sim tho...

mikey_sk said:
UK always been dual sim. Same for almost all the world except USA. What is with Yr networks over there being weirdos... Can't fathom why OP would block their usa unlocked variants from dual sim tho...
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I really how no idea what you are talking about. All my OP phones, as far back as the OP3 my son has, has been dual sim. I had zero issue on my last four phones... (five, counting the Axon 7 I had), then this one comes along and it doesn't work. The only thing I can think of is something changed with the switch to 5G.

vexille said:
Straight from OnePlus support today:
"as the device is just out and the first software update/OTA is yet to be released, it is recommended to wait for it rather than doing a reset to the device as the system itself says that it will be fixed on the upcoming update and you can change from single to dual."
Already RMA'ing it up and sending back. When/if it's ever enabled I'll give it another shot.
Borderline deceptive advertising IMHO.
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Deceptive advertising? More like your inability to read. It says on the website that dual sim will be enabled in a future update.

Can we flash an US version with the UK ROM?

Grrrrrrrr. I was really hoping yesterday's update (10.5.6) would've fixed the dual SIM issue, but no. It hasn't. It'll show VoWifi for a sec, then switch back to VoLTE.
At least MMS seems to be working with wifi on. That was broken until this update.

I'm in Germany and I can use dual SIM, but not with 5G enabled. Oneplus is still working on the software on multiple fronts and the US seems to be behind, see screenshot:

Question about changing from EU to global ROM (call recording)

Any one know if the global ROM support call recording out of the box? Really need that feature.
Also if it has it and I flash it, will the global ROM support all 3g,4g,5g bands as the EU ROM do?

smaberg said:
Any one know if the global ROM support call recording out of the box? Really need that feature.
Also if it has it and I flash it, will the global ROM support all 3g,4g,5g bands as the EU ROM do?
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I have the EU version and it supports call recording out of the box?

See.
It's been there all the time for me.

dladz said:
See.
It's been there all the time for me.
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Mine doesn't (Sweden) and when I run the abd command to enable it, it works but then it incorporates new bugs, like hides the comment section in instagram when replying etc so you can't see what your typing, also in other apps it hides the text box when typing so your typing in blind.
So anyone with any, I mean ANY SOLUTION please let me know, thanks :good:

It was not active on my phone as well(Greece) but I'm rooted so I just installed the Magisk module.
Have u checked this thread? There're are several ways for rooted and non-rooted devices(compatible with 8/8 Pro)

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Mine doesn't (Sweden) and when I run the abd command to enable it, it works but then it incorporates new bugs, like hides the comment section in instagram when replying etc so you can't see what your typing, also in other apps it hides the text box when typing so your typing in blind.
So anyone with any, I mean ANY SOLUTION please let me know, thanks :good:
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What's your model mate,?
It's plausible that your carrier didn't want you to have that feature.
I know certain locations at restrictions on certain functions.
For example; in Australia you need to keep the audio turned on when taking a picture, apparently it was restricted so you couldn't turn it off.
Not sure about now but that's where my money is.
Might be worth simply flashing a normal EU firmware, the same as my one and i cannot see why it wouldn't work..
Post your about phone screen. Obviously hide your IMEI / number if it's on that screen (shouldn't be there but just in case)
I do have the EU phone but I'm in the UK, so could be an EU thing not UK.
Let's see what your model / variant is and we'll go from there

dladz said:
What's your model mate,?
It's plausible that your carrier didn't want you to have that feature.
I know certain locations at restrictions on certain functions.
For example; in Australia you need to keep the audio turned on when taking a picture, apparently it was restricted so you couldn't turn it off.
Not sure about now but that's where my money is.
Might be worth simply flashing a normal EU firmware, the same as my one and i cannot see why it wouldn't work..
Post your about phone screen. Obviously hide your IMEI / number if it's on that screen (shouldn't be there but just in case)
I do have the EU phone but I'm in the UK, so could be an EU thing not UK.
Let's see what your model / variant is and we'll go from there
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Ok, here's the screenshot

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Ok, here's the screenshot
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Identical
Did you get your phone from a provider or straight from OnePlus?
Is it's the provider then it's down to them I'd say..
Flashing a firmware may fix it. Downloading a full update from oxygen update may do the job.
Beyond that I'm not sure pal.

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Identical
Did you get your phone from a provider or straight from OnePlus?
Is it's the provider then it's down to them I'd say..
Flashing a firmware may fix it. Downloading a full update from oxygen update may do the job.
Beyond that I'm not sure pal.
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Got it from a regular store, so it's a retail OnePlus model not branded.

To my knowledge the operator decides if it's available or not, unfortunately. No call recording with any operator in sweden (I've tried). I use the magisk module (oos native call recorder enabler), been using it on op6, 6t and now op8 pro. No issues.
Edit: it even works on oos11 DP3...

dladz said:
What's your model mate,?
It's plausible that your carrier didn't want you to have that feature.
I know certain locations at restrictions on certain functions.
For example; in Australia you need to keep the audio turned on when taking a picture, apparently it was restricted so you couldn't turn it off.
Not sure about now but that's where my money is.
Might be worth simply flashing a normal EU firmware, the same as my one and i cannot see why it wouldn't work..
Post your about phone screen. Obviously hide your IMEI / number if it's on that screen (shouldn't be there but just in case)
I do have the EU phone but I'm in the UK, so could be an EU thing not UK.
Let's see what your model / variant is and we'll go from there
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I was interested having a phone with native call recording, where did you buy yours mate? was it a contract from CarPhoneWareHouse? or elsewhere?

rajeeva said:
I was interested having a phone with native call recording, where did you buy yours mate? was it a contract from CarPhoneWareHouse? or elsewhere?
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Got mine from 3 UK on a 24 month, not locked to any network.
3 were the only network in the UK to get this phone.
They don't tend to mess with features like EE have in the past and although id prefer the EE network for speed and stability, 3 haven't actually been that bad, their 5G hasn't been great though, I don't have 5G on at all.. as it's not been worth the battery hit. 4G usually gives me around 100Mb whereas EE was around 275Mb in the same location (my house)

dladz said:
Got mine from 3 UK on a 24 month, not locked to any network.
3 were the only network in the UK to get this phone.
They don't tend to mess with features like EE have in the past and although id prefer the EE network for speed and stability, 3 haven't actually been that bad, their 5G hasn't been great though, I don't have 5G on at all.. as it's not been worth the battery hit. 4G usually gives me around 100Mb whereas EE was around 275Mb in the same location (my house)
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That is awesome, I'm having S9+ bought from Samsung site, missing recording feature massively. I'm with Vodaphone sim-only deal [5G], question is to get OnePluse 8Pro or get S9+ call feature

rajeeva said:
That is awesome, I'm having S9+ bought from Samsung site, missing recording feature massively. I'm with Vodaphone sim-only deal [5G], question is to get OnePluse 8Pro or get S9+ call feature
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Well personally I'll never buy another Sammy again, least not until they start allowing Qualcomm to provide all SOC's, the difference is night and day between the Exynos and Snapdragon.
I had the ultra on order and it didn't arrive for so long so when I saw the 8 Pro I switched, after looking at the problems that chip caused I'm glad I did..
I'm sure there should be a call recording feature you can install.