In a review site someone claiming confidently that the G4P does support turbo charging despite no mention of this in specs. Does anyone have the G4P and a turbo charger can do a test?
nigelhealy said:
...despite no mention of this in specs....
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Well, I don't think Motorola really advertised "Turbo" charging for G4 Play.
They advertised something else. Here's what it says on their site:
Moto G Play works with the 10W rapid charger (charger in-box), which gives you 5 hours of battery life in just 15 minutes of charging.
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Source: http://www.motorola.in/products/moto-g-play#battery
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Well, I don't think Motorola really advertised "Turbo" charging for G4 Play.
They advertised something else. Here's what it says on their site:
Source: http://www.motorola.in/products/moto-g-play#battery
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So the charger supplied says 5V and 0.5A which doesn't look like a fast charger.
nigelhealy said:
So the charger supplied says 5V and 0.5A which doesn't look like a fast charger.
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My supplied charger clearly says OUTPUT: 5.2V===2.0A
Exhibit A is attached
It does not support quickcharger, that works with 9v and 12v i already tried, but the supplied charger charges at 2.0 A. which is fast.
carefully said:
My supplied charger clearly says OUTPUT: 5.2V===2.0A
Exhibit A is attached
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I am in the USA and bought the USA version XT1607.
The charger looks different it says 5V 0.5A.
nigelhealy said:
I am in the USA and bought the USA version XT1607.
The charger looks different it says 5V 0.5A.
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Same here, both the Amazon and the non-Amazon version I bought had the 550mAh chargers.
hooverbw said:
Same here, both the Amazon and the non-Amazon version I bought had the 550mAh chargers.
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The fact they package with a low spec charger in a $150 box is not a concern. I own dual and quad chargers I carry for phone tablet BT etc.
The question is a specific charger able to charge faster? I looked at the one supplied and it seemed to imply a 5V input then as much Amp as phone can take, which is usually about 1-1.5A til 85%.
Turbo, is I think like QC, it increases the voltage at low battery charge, such a charger would show say 12V or 9V output.
Is there any good charging app to watch what the phone is doing? I have iSmart, QC 2.0 and QC 3.0 devices I can test on.
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Is there any good charging app to watch what the phone is doing? I have iSmart, QC 2.0 and QC 3.0 devices I can test on.
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The way I find best is to not use the phone and use a stopwatch and measure at 15m intervals.
It does take days to be ready with a low charge condition.
App I have used is Ampere but I find it unreliable as the act of using the phone means heat throttling down the charging speed, if you don't use the phone then Ampere sleeps and doesn't monitor.
From what I understand, it does support it but you have to buy an additional charger.
It definitely does some kind of fast charging because my Anker Powercore+ 10,050mAh power block charges it incredibly fast. I don't know what other charging methods the Anker does beyond qc2.0 since I have had the Anker less than 12 hours.
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If this behaves like osprey (which I expect - I haven't yet examined the kernel), the hardware doesn't support the Qualcomm high voltage quick charging, but it does support regular charging up to 800 mA. The weak 550 mA charger bundled with the North American variants will not make the most of it, but a 1A charger or better should get full charging performance.
squid2 said:
...but it does support regular charging up to 800 mA...
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So does this mean the 2.0 A bundled chargers are bottlenecked, like they support 2.0 A and the phone supports only till 800 mA...am I thinking correct?
My XT1607 US unlocked retail version came with a 5V 550mA labeled charge plug. I used a cable and power plug from another device that rated at 5.2V and 1.35A and it drew about 1.4A from it. Then I dug out another USB adapter rated 5.3V, 2A . It consumed 1.78A and it was 80% charged at the time. That would make for some much faster charging than the original plug. Wouldn't matter much if you just plug it in overnight to charge.
Anyone confirm if the it supports QC 2.0? Only thing wrong e phone is slow charge from supplied.
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I have used the turbo charger supplied with Moto G3 Turbo and it charges much faster than the one supplied in box. So yes it supports turbocharging but you need to get the charger elsewhere.
MaanasDwivedi said:
I have used the turbo charger supplied with Moto G3 Turbo and it charges much faster than the one supplied in box. So yes it supports turbocharging but you need to get the charger elsewhere.
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Logic fail. The supplied charge is feeble like 0.5A so anything like 1A or 2A is better.
That does NOT mean turbo is supported.
When I plug my G4 Play into my Anker 4 port power supply and then into a kilowatt meter, it draws 10 watts. If we work it backwards, that's 5v and 2 amps (however, need to account for line loss, transformer loss and other losses). A watt is a watt, doesn't matter what the voltage or amperage is, as W = V x A.
This phone charges much quicker than my old Moto G second gen, which would take close to 2 hours to fully recharge. I have had this phone recharge in as little as an hour from around 30%. It's a shame that the SD 410 chip supports QC 2.0 but Motorola didn't enable it. It seems to have QC 1.0 (which is the 10 watt, 5v @ 2amp rating).
brian10161 said:
When I plug my G4 Play into my Anker 4 port power supply and then into a kilowatt meter, it draws 10 watts. If we work it backwards, that's 5v and 2 amps (however, need to account for line loss, transformer loss and other losses). A watt is a watt, doesn't matter what the voltage or amperage is, as W = V x A.
This phone charges much quicker than my old Moto G second gen, which would take close to 2 hours to fully recharge. I have had this phone recharge in as little as an hour from around 30%. It's a shame that the SD 410 chip supports QC 2.0 but Motorola didn't enable it. It seems to have QC 1.0 (which is the 10 watt, 5v @ 2amp rating).
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Regular USB is 2A 5V 10W.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB
Standard USB 2.0 is 500mA
USB 3.0 is 900mA
There is a new subset standard called USB power delivery, it's used for newer devices.
Quick charge 1.0 was 2 amp at 5v.
There's a little more info here. https://www.easyacc.com/media-center/quick-charge-3-0-vs-2-0-vs-1-0/
These phones charging at 2 amps is technically quick charge, whether it's the 1.0 revision or not is really down to licensing and stuff. They don't charge at 2.0 speeds unfortunately. Even though the chipset supports it.
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Hiya,
I'm copying my original post over from the Z3 Compact forum as there should be a fair amount of similarities between the two models regarding battery charging.
Hiya,
I' hoping this is the right section to post this in.
I don't have my Z3C yet, but I've been searching for information on charging speed, charging current etc. - and there is barely anything to be found. What seems to be consent: A full charge (0-100%) takes about three hours. But then, some people say an almost full charge (0-90%) takes much less, as charging current is greatly reduced for the last 10% to reduce stress on the battery. Sony itself also claims that a small charge (something like 0-10%) should be quite fast as well.
Then there's some speculation about QuickCharge 2.0 being used or not used, that you could use a Motorola 2.0A charger to charge it faster than with the provided 1.5A Sony charger etc., which also brings up the question which resistor values on the D+ and D- wires are necessary to toggle different charging currents. (Or I might be stupid and there's a standard for that by now, which is the same for all Qualcomm devices.)
To cut it short: I'd request those who have a Z3C to post some comments about their charging times, and at best even their charging currents. I used an app called BatteryMonitor on my Desire HD, I'm sure there's others around now that give the same information. If someone could try out different chargers and record charging current over time, maybe even with a pretty graph, it'd surely help all future discussions about chargers, docks, modifications, DIY charging issues etc.
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So, as the same goes for the Z3: If someone can record their charging times, charging current and charger used: Go ahead and post it. Bonus points for taking a look at magnetic charging.
dragonfet said:
Hiya,
I'm copying my original post over from the Z3 Compact forum as there should be a fair amount of similarities between the two models regarding battery charging.
So, as the same goes for the Z3: If someone can record their charging times, charging current and charger used: Go ahead and post it. Bonus points for taking a look at magnetic charging.
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A recent tear down confirms the Qualcomm chip for Quick Charge 2.0 support, so what we need now is for someone to get a compatible PSU that can 'talk' to the phone and then supply more power. That should see a huge improvement in charge time.
I am just trying to find a source for a compatible charger. So far I've only seen the Motorola Turbo Charger in the USA, and I'd be wary of buying anything made by a no-name brand at this point.
I have to assume the magnetic charging option won't be as fast, simply as there can't be a way for the PSU to know it is connected to a compatible device. Quick Charge 2.0 appears to require some sort of handshaking, or else the PSU will limit the power output, hence why I'd be wary of any chargers appearing on eBay or Amazon that claim to offer fast charging.
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A recent tear down confirms the Qualcomm chip for Quick Charge 2.0 support, so what we need now is for someone to get a compatible PSU that can 'talk' to the phone and then supply more power. That should see a huge improvement in charge time.
I am just trying to find a source for a compatible charger. So far I've only seen the Motorola Turbo Charger in the USA, and I'd be wary of buying anything made by a no-name brand at this point.
I have to assume the magnetic charging option won't be as fast, simply as there can't be a way for the PSU to know it is connected to a compatible device. Quick Charge 2.0 appears to require some sort of handshaking, or else the PSU will limit the power output, hence why I'd be wary of any chargers appearing on eBay or Amazon that claim to offer fast charging.
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I have read excellent reviews for the Blackberry Premium Charger (the one with the yellow tip), super cheap on Amazon right now. Recommended by Android Central and others for its 2A charging capability. I have used it in the past from my HTC One X days and have re ordered for my Z3. Honestly, my Z3 is charging more than fast enough with the OEM supplied charger, which may be less powerful but more optimised than another OEM's charger. The one I'd trust most if I was forced to use one would be the above model of the BB charger.
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I have to assume the magnetic charging option won't be as fast, simply as there can't be a way for the PSU to know it is connected to a compatible device. Quick Charge 2.0 appears to require some sort of handshaking, or else the PSU will limit the power output, hence why I'd be wary of any chargers appearing on eBay or Amazon that claim to offer fast charging.
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more power can either be achieved through more voltage (that could potentially be harmful if the hardware is not compatible) or more current. More current is 100% save as the charging circuit just takes what it needs, independent of the (more potent) capabilities of the charger.
As Oppo showed with its find 7 just raising the current is a viable option which works. This is also a Snapdragon 801 device.
With the 1.5A original charger and cable, using Battery Monitor Widget shows the charging rate at around 900mA to 1000mA.
So I guess Z3 is restricting to max 1A charging?
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I have to assume the magnetic charging option won't be as fast, simply as there can't be a way for the PSU to know it is connected to a compatible device. Quick Charge 2.0 appears to require some sort of handshaking, or else the PSU will limit the power output, hence why I'd be wary of any chargers appearing on eBay or Amazon that claim to offer fast charging.
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Would it be possible that the PSU simply always limits the power output? For example, the phone might try to draw 1.5A, but the PSU doesn't support it and limits at 1.0A. Then magnetic charging could work with 1.5A or even 2.0A without the need for communication over the D+ / D- pins. (And attaching the magnetic port with a USB adapter to a PC or Laptop might cause the USB Port to shut down and trigger an overcurrent warning.)
AKK03 said:
With the 1.5A original charger and cable, using Battery Monitor Widget shows the charging rate at around 900mA to 1000mA.
So I guess Z3 is restricting to max 1A charging?
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That would make sense. Though wonder where the extra 500 mA are going, it surely can't be the phone's standby. And given a typical maximum charging current of 1.0C (C = battery capacity), it would translate into 3.1A of charging current and therefore a 3.5A power supply.
Is this current constant from 1% to about 65%?
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With the 1.5A original charger and cable, using Battery Monitor Widget shows the charging rate at around 900mA to 1000mA.
So I guess Z3 is restricting to max 1A charging?
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If there are restrictions they are most likely within the Kernel and we may be able to change them in the future with custom Kernels
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That would make sense. Though wonder where the extra 500 mA are going, it surely can't be the phone's standby. And given a typical maximum charging current of 1.0C (C = battery capacity), it would translate into 3.1A of charging current and therefore a 3.5A power supply.
Is this current constant from 1% to about 65%?
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There is some fluctuation, but is roughly around 1A.
I have test 2 different charger
from "Battery Monitor Widget Pro" logs
with EP880 (1.5A max)
show ...................... 1.1A max
with 2 Amp charger
show .....................1.5A max
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I have test 2 different charger
from "Battery Monitor Widget Pro" logs
with EP880 (1.5A max)
show ...................... 1.1A max
with 2 Amp charger
show .....................1.5A max
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Thanks for the results. I have my Z3 by now and recorded some as well.
From 0 to 68%, it charges with 1000-1100 mA, then it goes into CV (constant voltage) mode and stays there until 95%. Then the curent drops slightly. The rest of the charging curve is not usable, as it was the first full charge my handset had. And the last for now, as I have to send it back due to a gap in the frame and microphone issues.
I'll post a complete curve when I have the new one and did a few cycles. What's clear for now:
1. Charging current with the stock charger is around 1.1 A max.
2. The phone charges up to 95% with 0.5% per minute. (Stock Charger)
3. It drops to 0.125% between 95% und 100%, likely to put less strain on the battery.
It's nice to see that there's appearantly support for higher charging currents. Though we should keep in mind that a higher current also means more stress for the battery, especailly when the phone is used while charging (higher battery temperature as the CPU also adds heat).
my Z3 came with the charging dock dk48.. it is rated at 1.8a, charging is fast
I can't speak to the Z3 (yet), but my Z1s charges nearly twice as fast on the magnetic charging dock as it does through the USB connection. As a result, I can leave my screen on at full brightness while on the dock and still charge. I would *expect* similar behaviour from the Z3.
Original charger: about 1.0A - 1.1A. Result: 3h 50p - 4h for fully charged.
Magnetic charging dock or cable: 1.5-1.6A. Spend only 2h 45p
I'm tesing Xiaomi MI Power Banki 10400mAh. First test: 1.6A, much faster than original charger. A bit surprise!
http://www.mi.com/sg/mipowerbank/
Zanr Zij said:
Original charger: about 1.0A - 1.1A. Result: 3h 50p - 4h for fully charged.
Magnetic charging dock or cable: 1.5-1.6A. Spend only 2h 45p
I'm tesing Xiaomi MI Power Banki 10400mAh. First test: 1.6A, much faster than original charger. A bit surprise!
http://www.mi.com/sg/mipowerbank/
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The original charger is rated 1.5A, actual charging on Z3 is 1.0A.
Xiaomi is rated 2.1A, so I guess is reasonable to expect 1.5A actual charging from it.
For your magnetic charging dock or cable, are you using the original charger?
With the original charger, I'm getting the same result with or without dock.
Zanr Zij said:
Original charger: about 1.0A - 1.1A. Result: 3h 50p - 4h for fully charged.
Magnetic charging dock or cable: 1.5-1.6A. Spend only 2h 45p
I'm tesing Xiaomi MI Power Banki 10400mAh. First test: 1.6A, much faster than original charger. A bit surprise!
http://www.mi.com/sg/mipowerbank/
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where did you get the magnetic charging cable?
AKK03 said:
The original charger is rated 1.5A, actual charging on Z3 is 1.0A.
Xiaomi is rated 2.1A, so I guess is reasonable to expect 1.5A actual charging from it.
For your magnetic charging dock or cable, are you using the original charger?
With the original charger, I'm getting the same result with or without dock.
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With Mi Power Bank, I used micro USB cable, not magnetic.
I'm using Samsung Note 3 2.0A charger. Through micro USB port, I got lower current, about 1.0-1.2A but with magnetic cable 1.5-1.6A.
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Shudder123 said:
where did you get the magnetic charging cable?
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Included in my Z3 retail box
Zanr Zij said:
With Mi Power Bank, I used micro USB cable, not magnetic.
I'm using Samsung Note 3 2.0A charger. Through micro USB port, I got lower current, about 1.0-1.2A but with magnetic cable 1.5-1.6A.
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Included in my Z3 retail box
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you mean the USB cable?
Shudder123 said:
you mean the USB cable?
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My Z3 Dual retail box has 2 cables: usb and magnetic
Zanr Zij said:
My Z3 Dual retail box has 2 cables: usb and magnetic
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where did you get yours from? mine only came with a USB cable
I have a z3 dual .. I did not notice the second cable in the box. I have to check again
Any one Disappointed with the charger they included with the Pure. The non removable cord just sucks and a poor choice in my opinion
I'm more disappointed at the size of the wall wart. They could have made more friendly to other power strip users.
razor237 said:
Any one Disappointed with the charger they included with the Pure. The non removable cord just sucks and a poor choice in my opinion
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Pretty sure they did that so you couldn't just stick any usb charging cord in their...it'd most likely fry it.
The disappointing part is the my other cords not working with Android auto. Luckily I have a nexus 6, and the cord with its charger works.
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Pretty sure they did that so you couldn't just stick any usb charging cord in their...it'd most likely fry it.
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I guess that could be a reason but highly doubt anything would be fried. Ive been using a nexus 6 turbo charger and before that i was using a note 4 charger to charge multiple android/apple devices without issue. This just limits what i can charge on a single charger now need a second lol
razor237 said:
I guess that could be a reason but highly doubt anything would be fried. Ive been using a nexus 6 turbo charger and before that i was using a note 4 charger to charge multiple android/apple devices without issue. This just limits what i can charge on a single charger now need a second lol
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If you plugged in a charging cord that can't handle the increased power it sure could fry the cord. I feel ya though...it would be nice if it were a USB cord.
I'm glad it looks different.... My son knows NOT to plug his HTC M7 into this charger.
I can see if this was someones first Android, the lack of a micro-USB for data would be frustrating, but I have about 5 of these in my desk drawer and throughout my house and office, so it doesn't bother me.
Also having a fixed cord means you don't pulg some 'slow' cable in and not get any benefits. Out my 8-10 micro USB cables, only 2-3 get a decent charge speed.
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I'm glad it looks different.... My son knows NOT to plug his HTC M7 into this charger.
I can see if this was someones first Android, the lack of a micro-USB for data would be frustrating, but I have about 5 of these in my desk drawer and throughout my house and office, so it doesn't bother me.
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If a device that does not do Turbo Charging is connected, the charger should automatically adjust and charge it at regular speed. At least, that's what it is supposed to do. The Turbo Charger is supposed to be the single charger for all types.
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Darnell_Chat_TN said:
If a device that does not do Turbo Charging is connected, the charger should automatically adjust and charge it at regular speed. At least, that's what it is supposed to do. The Turbo Charger is supposed to be the single charger for all types.
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Good, because I know I'll find his phone on that charger some day
I still have my galaxy s6 nexus charger that is a fast charging and it seems to work fine with turbo charging
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I think the reason they made the cable fixed is because a lot of cheaper usb cables use very thin wire gauges. Since this charger puts out a lot of current at varying voltages, it's very possible for a thin cable to overheat easier and catch on fire. And my guess is, they didn't want to take any chances
How do we determine if turbo charger is ongoing? I mean are there any indication? Coz when I plug in the TurboCharger that comes with it, sometimes TurboPower Connected shows at the bottom of the screen, sometimes not. Then when I check it on the Status, it says Charging over USB, not Charging over AC? Could be that my unit is defective? perhaps the charger? or the battery?
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How do we determine if turbo charger is ongoing? I mean are there any indication? Coz when I plug in the TurboCharger that comes with it, sometimes TurboPower Connected shows at the bottom of the screen, sometimes not. Then when I check it on the Status, it says Charging over USB, not Charging over AC? Could be that my unit is defective? perhaps the charger? or the battery?
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I've got the same issue going on. My replacement from Amazon will be here Tuesday so I'll have time to mess with both and see if its the charger or what. Currently my turbocharging is hit or miss.
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How do we determine if turbo charger is ongoing? I mean are there any indication? Coz when I plug in the TurboCharger that comes with it, sometimes TurboPower Connected shows at the bottom of the screen, sometimes not. Then when I check it on the Status, it says Charging over USB, not Charging over AC? Could be that my unit is defective? perhaps the charger? or the battery?
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I have this issue sometimes to. So if I need to know if im charging at turbo I use an app from the app store to see if states I'm turbo Charging or not. In the Charging screen it will say "normal or Turbo"
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gombosdev.ampere
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How do we determine if turbo charger is ongoing? I mean are there any indication? Coz when I plug in the TurboCharger that comes with it, sometimes TurboPower Connected shows at the bottom of the screen, sometimes not. Then when I check it on the Status, it says Charging over USB, not Charging over AC? Could be that my unit is defective? perhaps the charger? or the battery?
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You can use a USB voltage/current indicator device to see it directly. I use one that displays voltage and current simultaneously, it cost about $10 on Amazon.
The Qualcomm QC 2.0 (which Motorola terms "TurboPower) spec is 5, 9, 12, and 20 volts, with up to 2 amps plus at each voltage. The QC 2.0 chargers I've tested including the Motorola charger included with the XT1575, range up to 9V and about 2+ A at 9V, with the higher voltage/amperage when battery is discharged to a lower SoC.. Haven't seen 12V or 20V, I think those only come into play when battery is discharged to nearly zero SoC.
Agree the reason the included charger has cable attached may be to ensure adequate wire gage. Too-thin wire will increase voltage drop across cable thus lengthening charge time in higher power modes. But the design here uses higher voltage to keep current down around the same 2A max current of USB 2.0 chargers, so cable heat will not be a problem with any old USB cable.
I will attest to the benefit of QC 2.0. I thought it was a useless gimmick until I started using it. It does effectively compensate for mediocre battery capacity.
My "Turbo Charging" icon displays properly, but doesn't charge very quickly if connected to a cheap extension cord.
Plugged into the wall, the charging Stull doesn't impress me that much
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DrearierJester1 said:
How do we determine if turbo charger is ongoing? I mean are there any indication? Coz when I plug in the TurboCharger that comes with it, sometimes TurboPower Connected shows at the bottom of the screen, sometimes not. Then when I check it on the Status, it says Charging over USB, not Charging over AC? Could be that my unit is defective? perhaps the charger? or the battery?
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It's defective. Call moto they will replace it for free. Just have to send copy of purchase receipt. Had the same issue.
The charge rate depends on how discharged the battery is when connected to charge.
More discharged (lower SoC, State of Charge) will drive a higher charge rate.
As to the difference between this Motorola TurboPower (aka Qualcomm Quick Charge 2.0), vs. other phones:
I've measured up to 1.4 amps at 5V nominal on other phones, that is about 9 watts charging power. That is max charge rate, with a very discharged battery. As the battery charges up closer to fully charged, the charge rate (power) is reduced. Total charging time from fully discharged to fully charged would be about 4-5 hours, give or take, for a typical cellphone battery.
For comparison, the QC 2.0 measurements I made with the MXPE: Up to 2.2 amps at 9V nominal with a phone battery discharged to about 40-50%. That works out to about 20 watts charging power. As with other Li-Ion battery charging systems, this also declines as the battery approaches fully charged. Total time to charge, from fully discharged to fully charged will be about 2-3 hours, give or take.
So the marketing claims about QC 2.0 are about right: A 75% improvement over conventional charging systems.
The biggest gains come when charging batteries discharged to lower SoC. If you are comparing charge rate/time of batteries discharged to only, say, 70-80%, you will not see as much of a difference with QC 2.0.
I'm not a QC 2.0 marketing shill, mind you. I pretty much ignored it, before buying the phone. But for this phone, QC 2.0 actually does a good job to compensate for the mediocre battery. I can run the battery down to 40-50%, put it on QC 2.0 charger in my car for my 30 minute commute, and it is charged to around 80+% when I arrive at my destination. There are a lot of QC 2.0 certified aftermarket chargers out there too, Qualcomm did a lot of work on the front end as part of bringing it to market. (Just make sure any AC charger is UL listed or equivalent, if you care about safety.
Caveats on cables: The cable does make a difference at higher charge rates. Thinner gage wire will impose a greater voltage drop at higher current, this will reduce power and thus increase charge time.
Typical USB cables are AWG 26-28. You can buy 20, 22, and 24 AWG USB cables. Some cables advertise heavier (22-24) gage wire for the power leads with standard (26-28) gage wire for the data leads. The aftermarket QC 2.0 AC chargers I bought listed their included cables as 20 gage.
Get the heavier gage if you want full QC 2.0 charging.
soufdallas said:
I still have my galaxy s6 nexus charger that is a fast charging and it seems to work fine with turbo charging
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Just to check did you use S6 original charger ? And does it charge same with the turbo power charger provided by moto?
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Does the Moto Z Force follow Qualcomm's Quick Charge standard or the USB-PD standard? I ask this because the TurboPower™ 15 charger outputs multiple voltages like QC standard; but the TurboPower™ 30 that comes with the Moto Z Force outputs only at 5V at a reasonably high available amperage of 5.7A, which look more like the USB-PD standard.
Additionally: which (if any other than OEM) wall and vehicle chargers available will optimally rapid/quick/turbo charge the Moto Z Force?
Thanks.
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Does the Moto Z Force follow Qualcomm's Quick Charge standard or the USB-PD standard? I ask this because the TurboPower™ 15 charger outputs multiple voltages like QC standard; but the TurboPower™ 30 that comes with the Moto Z Force outputs only at 5V at a reasonably high available amperage of 5.7A, which look more like the USB-PD standard.
Additionally: which (if any other than OEM) wall and vehicle chargers available will optimally rapid/quick/turbo charge the Moto Z Force?
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I can tell you this. I have a QuickCharge 3.0 charger at home (USB charging hub) that will not engage TurboCharging on either my Moto Z or my Z Force. However my Nexus 6p charger engages TurboCharging on both phones. Odd... I am going to try a different USB-c cable tonight to see if it does anything on that 3.0 charging hub.
Driosenth said:
Does the Moto Z Force follow Qualcomm's Quick Charge standard or the USB-PD standard? I ask this because the TurboPowerâ?¢ 15 charger outputs multiple voltages like QC standard; but the TurboPowerâ?¢ 30 that comes with the Moto Z Force outputs only at 5V at a reasonably high available amperage of 5.7A, which look more like the USB-PD standard.
Additionally: which (if any other than OEM) wall and vehicle chargers available will optimally rapid/quick/turbo charge the Moto Z Force?
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Looks like the Moto Z force does not follow QC 3.0 standards. The reason the Nexus 6p charger is working is because it outputs 5V and a 3A current which is Turbo charging as far as Moto is concerned. I think our phones follow the USB PD standard. Reason being is the turbo 30 charger outputs 5V at 5.7amps. that's a lot of current but the voltage stays at 5v. Usb pd can get up to 20v at 5amps for a max off 100w. Quick charging is different in that it ramps up the voltage to 9v or 12 v depending but usually keeps current at 2a and below. USB PD tends to keep voltage low but ramp up the current draw. Quick charge will usually not see more than 3a on most chargers. If it does see 3a our phone will more than likely register as turbo charging. If not we get the standard 5v 2a charging. Bottom line is QC maxes out at 18w I believe. Our phones charge at 28w if you multiply 5v by 5.7a u get 28.5watts. This currently beats QC 3.0 devices which are all mostly 15w chargers hence why the Moto Z has the fastest charging out now. To increase power you either have to up the voltage or the current in amps. Different standards but achieve a similar goal.
I've tried all my QC 2.0 and 3.0 charging devices. Nothing will charge it fast unless it's the TurboPower provided by Moto. That pisses me off so very much.
I dont think these devices (nor the new Nexus phones) use QC or USB-PD. I think they all use something called USB-c fast charging. I returned my QC 3.0 charger and have another one on the way that claims to be USB-c fast charging. Ill report when I have it in 2 days.
If you notice the chargers for the Nexus and Moto Z phones are different than most chargers. The Moto phones have a non removable USB cable and the Nexus has a USB-c connector on both ends.
What I think we are looking for, and what I have on order, is a charger that has a USB-c input on it. I have a charging block that claims to have USB-c fast charging on its USB-c input. The charger I just returned that had QC 3.0 on it also had a USB-c input, but fast charging was not enabled on it. The new one claims to be.
So long story short you need to use a cable with the small C connector on both ends and a charger that has a USB-c port with fast charging enabled on it.
jsmuli2 said:
I've tried all my QC 2.0 and 3.0 charging devices. Nothing will charge it fast unless it's the TurboPower provided by Moto. That pisses me off so very much.
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Agreed...I even went out and bought a QC 3.0 car charger just for this phone lol
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I dont think these devices (nor the new Nexus phones) use QC or USB-PD. I think they all use something called USB-c fast charging. I returned my QC 3.0 charger and have another one on the way that claims to be USB-c fast charging. Ill report when I have it in 2 days.
If you notice the chargers for the Nexus and Moto Z phones are different than most chargers. The Moto phones have a non removable USB cable and the Nexus has a USB-c connector on both ends.
What I think we are looking for, and what I have on order, is a charger that has a USB-c input on it. I have a charging block that claims to have USB-c fast charging on its USB-c input. The charger I just returned that had QC 3.0 on it also had a USB-c input, but fast charging was not enabled on it. The new one claims to be.
So long story short you need to use a cable with the small C connector on both ends and a charger that has a USB-c port with fast charging enabled on it.
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I'm very interested to hear your results
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I also tested a Anker QC 3.0 wall charger and in half hour it only charged about 20%. Not quick or turbo speeds...
Very bummed. I just bought a QC 3.0 battery, car charger, and wall charger and threw away the boxes. I guess I can give them to my wife who has a LG G5...
I hope that eventually there are batteries and car charges that will charge this phone quickly. QC 2.0 was a feature that I very much liked on my last Phone (Droid Turbo). Being able to charge at those speeds was very nice on the road or with a battery.
The only other things is I believe our phones are equipped with usb 3.1 standard. I believe this standard allows for up to 20v of power at a max of around 5a. But any charger that does 5v at at least 3a will pit our phone into turbo charging. I have a Verizon branded fast charger that does 5v/3a and it recognizes it as turbo charging and actually does very good. Not as fast as the stock charger but damn close. Motorola stated they follow the USB C standard for charging which is 5v 3a. So i still say it's a form of usb PD that Motorola is basing there technology off of because the amps our stock charger is putting out is 5.7 amps. The usb c standard stops at 3a without usb 3.1 which we have on our phones and usb pd to up the amps. I would love to see you report back with the findings on the new charger!!!
We'll all know soon. I will even tell you the amps it puts out vs the stock charger. I have a way to monitor.
To save y'all time. Look for chargers that output 5v at 3a. These will turbo charge your phone. Just like the Nexus 6p and Nexus 5x our phones do not follow Qualcomm quick charge standards. So those accessories will do nothing for you because QC doesn't put out past 2a. QC does 9v at 1.67a. multiply that and you get 15watts. Same thing as a charger with 5v and 3a. Multiply that and you also get 15w. Different ways of doing it but same end result. Verizon has a wall charger and a car charger that outputs at 5v 3a. It is also Qualcomm quick charge ready for other phones you may have. It also states on the side of the box that it is USB power delivery 2.0 compatible which I think is why it fast charges our phones. You're welcome
The charger I ordered states: "USB C Output: DC 5V/3A". This leads me to believe it will put the phone into "Turbo" charging mode, but it won't actually charge as fast as the stock charger which is 5.7a. Oh well, it's better than nothing I guess. I can still use the stock charger when needed.
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I literally cannot find any aftermarket charger that will put out more than 3.0 amps. I think thats as high as we can get right now and the Force charger is the only thing out there putting out above that.
Yea I don't think any aftermarket charger right now supports anything above 3a. Our stock charger has a thicker cable as well. Since QC chargers up the voltage and keep a low amp rating they can keep the cable smaller. Voltage doesn't necessarily need a thicker cable but current or the flow of amps does. For more than 3 amps the cable needs to be thicker for more current flowing. Our phones can handle 30 watts of power easily our stock charger outputs 28.5 watts. 15 watts is considered quick charging that's why our phone recognizes it as turbo charging. One plus has a charger that does 5v at 4a that's the closest I know of 20 watts. I would just like the stock charger to have a longer possibly removable cable. Our phones with 5v 3a are really charging the same as the other QC 2.0 and 3.0 devices it's all 15 watts
Back again, now with a bit more info. If the Moto Z Force truly does draw 5.7A @ 5V it follows neither QC-3 nor USB-PD standard. Both like to change voltages, but neither have 5V anywhere approaching 5.7A. Pg 471 of the latest USB standard shows that the max current delivered at 5V is to be 3A before being bumped up to 9V. QC3.0 adjusts voltages via 200mV steps (if anyone has a link to the official technical specifications of QC3.0 please share), but only outputs 18W max.
My next step is to fully drain the Moto Z Force, hook up the charger to a power meter, and measure how much power it truly draws until fully charged. I might have to make a measuring tool that independently measures the voltage and current of both VBus lines if further testing is needed.
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Back again, now with a bit more info. If the Moto Z Force truly does draw 5.7A @ 5V it follows neither QC-3 nor USB-PD standard. Both like to change voltages, but neither have 5V anywhere approaching 5.7A. Pg 471 of the latest USB standard shows that the max current delivered at 5V is to be 3A before being bumped up to 9V. QC3.0 adjusts voltages via 200mV steps (if anyone has a link to the official technical specifications of QC3.0 please share), but only outputs 18W max.
My next step is to fully drain the Moto Z Force, hook up the charger to a power meter, and measure how much power it truly draws until fully charged. I might have to make a measuring tool that independently measures the voltage and current of both VBus lines if further testing is needed.
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gombosdev.ampere&hl=en
Should be easier and give the same results. What I use.
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I've come to the conclusion that the USB hub I ordered is as good as it gets. It has 6 ports. 4 ports that vary the amps up to 2.4a, 1 QC 2.0 port, and 1 USB-c 5v/3a port.
I really hope Motorola / Verizon / Aftermarket companies are able to come up with a charger for this device. I love my Moto Z Force, but with the battery mods, I would like to have a charger for work capable of charging the mod as well. I don't know if I'd be able to survive with the 3ft one that came with it. I went out and bought all of the 3.0 accessories and threw out the boxes as well, thinking it would work. No USB A > USB C Chargers I've tried have worked. I'm anxious to hear if anyone has found one that works.
I reached out to Motorola Customer Service, the person had no idea what was going on. I have a Quick Charge 3.0 Aukey charger at my desk, Ampere says it's charging at 4.341v but no turbo power blurb. My buddy has the "Fast Charging" Verizon one, but it doesn't say it either. Hard to tell if it even has QC or not. They did however load the official moto charger (OEM) onto their webpage. I may just have to live with this one. :/
The one I have on order will certainly put the phone into turbo mode. I don't know how many amps it will do but it will be at least 3. As far as finding something above 3, well I couldn't. I ordered my own USB cable as well (C to C) and could have chosen any length. My charger is a hub with 6 ports and one is a QC 2.0 port. Couldn't find one with the fast USB-C port that also had 3.0.
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Here's some charging stats for you. All in amps.
.25a - USB port on surface pro 4
.97a - Portable battery pack
.23a - Old USB hub on 2.1a port. (Terrible!)
2.5a - Nexus 6p charger. ("Turbo" shows)
5.1a!!! - Factory force charger
Here are some other 5V/3A Type-C options:
Wall chargers:
http://www.choetech.com/CHOE-3A-USB-C-Charger/
http://www.tronsmart.com/tronsmart-w2pte-type-c-quick-charger-3.0-dual-ports-rapid-wall-charger
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DVH7Q8M
Batteries:
http://www.tronsmart.com/products/tronsmart-presto
http://www.ravpower.com/20100mah-external-battery-charger-QC3.0-type-c.html
https://www.anker.com/products/A1371012
Car chargers:
http://www.tronsmart.com/product-ccta-quick-charge-3.0-car-charger
http://www.tronsmart.com/product-c2pe-car-charger
http://www.blitzwolf.com/BlitzWolf-Qualcomm-Certified-Quick-Charger-QC-3.0-33W-USB-Type-C-BW-C8-Car-Charger-with-Micro-Cable-p-85.html
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01E764DXM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B018TGGH4E
I know these are not as nice as having some other 5V/5.7A charging options but at least they should charge better than QC 3.0 chargers.
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Here are some other 5V/3A Type-C options:
Wall chargers:
http://www.choetech.com/CHOE-3A-USB-C-Charger/
http://www.tronsmart.com/tronsmart-w2pte-type-c-quick-charger-3.0-dual-ports-rapid-wall-charger
Batteries:
http://www.tronsmart.com/products/tronsmart-presto
http://www.ravpower.com/20100mah-external-battery-charger-QC3.0-type-c.html
Car chargers:
http://www.tronsmart.com/product-ccta-quick-charge-3.0-car-charger
http://www.blitzwolf.com/BlitzWolf-...-BW-C8-Car-Charger-with-Micro-Cable-p-85.html
https://www.amazon.com/AUKEY-Charge...8&qid=1470243655&sr=1-1&keywords=aukey+type-c
I know these are not as nice as having some other 5V/5.7A charging options but at least they should charge better than QC 3.0 chargers.
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So these chargers will all "turbo" charge our phones? I'm particularly interested in he car charger...I have an aukey QC 3.0 that I bought for this phone before realizing it wouldn't do the job lol...
But the usb-c port on the one you just posted will actually work right?...
At home I'm not too worried because I generally only charge my phone over night, so a slow charge or short cable isn't a terrible problem
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Metfanant said:
So these chargers will all "turbo" charge our phones? I'm particularly interested in he car charger...I have an aukey QC 3.0 that I bought for this phone before realizing it wouldn't do the job lol...
But the usb-c port on the one you just posted will actually work right?...
At home I'm not too worried because I generally only charge my phone over night, so a slow charge or short cable isn't a terrible problem
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Yes all those chargers should turbo charge the phone. Not as much as the stock charger, but still turbo. If you want a USB hub with multiple ports there are only like 2 options for those. There should be many options for single block home chargers and car chargers though. The hubs are the hard ones to get.
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Yes all those chargers should turbo charge the phone. Not as much as the stock charger, but still turbo. If you want a USB hub with multiple ports there are only like 2 options for those. There should be many options for single block home chargers and car chargers though. The hubs are the hard ones to get.
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Does the USB certification matter for the cable? Is a USB 2.0 cable enough or do we need 3.0 or 3.1?
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If yes, Then let me know which brand of charger should i buy!
No.
I think it only supports QC 2.0, though the QC 2.0 charger does not come out of the box. But imo, who needs fast charging when the battery life can last up to 2-3 days with this phone.
in it's specs sheet in gsmarena quick charge 3.0 is listed. That's why i asked.
anyway, what's the best quick charge 2.0 charger out there? and will that charge the device faster than the original charger?
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in it's specs sheet in gsmarena quick charge 3.0 is listed. That's why i asked.
anyway, what's the best quick charge 2.0 charger out there? and will that charge the device faster than the original charger?
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The 625 snapdragon processor does support Quick Charge 3.0, but Xiaomi prohibits using it i guess to cut cost, i know some user who try to use QC 3.0 on this phone but it doesn't work, to be honest i'm also not sure about QC 2.0, my advice is you should try testing it first by borrowing QC 2.0 charger with some of your friends/relatives that has QC 2.0 charger before attempting to buy one.
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The 625 snapdragon processor does support Quick Charge 3.0, but Xiaomi prohibits using it i guess to cut cost, i know some user who try to use QC 3.0 on this phone but it doesn't work, to be honest i'm also not sure about QC 2.0, my advice is you should try testing it first by borrowing QC 2.0 charger with some of your friends/relatives that has QC 2.0 charger before attempting to buy one.
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No QC 2.0 support for me, tested with new xiaomi powerbank 10000mAh, ampere show max usb current 500 mAh instead of 2000 mAh. However from measurement I can get 1700-2000mAh so still charging fast enough.
Redmi 4 supports Fast Charging (i.e. about 2A), not any form of Quick Charge. The chipset supports it, but as Xiaomi have decided not to pay Qualcomm the royalties they charge for QC, it's disabled at a low level in the phone. It might be possible to enable it via custom kernel, but I don't think it's been done yet if so.
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No QC 2.0 support for me, tested with new xiaomi powerbank 10000mAh, ampere show max usb current 500 mAh instead of 2000 mAh. However from measurement I can get 1700-2000mAh so still charging fast enough.
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you mean that from the measurement you're getting a CURRENT reading of 1.700 to 2.000 Amps, right? Because mAh is the capacity measurement while A or mA is the current measurement?
To be on topic, the hardware inside (global version - snapdragon) and the battery support QC v1-3 specs but quickcharge is disabled.
The phone will charge at 1.8A or 1800 mA for about 10 minutes between 20% and 55%. battery capacity.
the current raise up while you changed to a qc 3.0 adapter.
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the current raise up while you changed to a qc 3.0 adapter.
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CURRENT WILL NOT RAISE ABOVE 2A by now. ONLY VOLTAGE WILL BE INCREASE, but with decreasing current.
I tested a bit :
with QC 3 compactible Aukey PA-T16 charger, Ampere shows 2030mA
with Anker 40W 5 port charger Ampere shows 1830mA.
I have a Redmi 4 (standard edition) and I also have a USB Ammeter/Voltmeter which I can use to measure actual voltage and current flow into the device.
Using a standard 2A charger, the device accepts 4.9-5.1v (average 5.0v) at 1.5A (1500ma), and rarely exceeds this due to the voltage drop of the charger circuit /transformer in the wall plug.
Using a Quick Charge 3.0 charger (Capable of 5v, 9v, 12v and dynamically 5v-12v for QC3.0), I was able to charge the Redmi 4 at 6.2v/2.1A. The peak voltage was 6.24V and peak current 2.4A (momentary).
The Redmi 4 will charge at 6.2v and 2.1A with a Quick Charge 3.0 compatible charger when the battery is totally flat. As with all batteries the current slowly decreases as the internal resistance of the battery increases as it charges.
This is 13 Watts of power, 1.7 times higher than the 7.5 watts provided by the included '2A' charger. Thus, while it does not officially have QC3.0 capability, the device is still able to utilise a slight boost from the chipset's compatibility with higher voltages. Realistically, this means you could cut down on the charge time by around 1/3, and even moreso when charging from, for example, 0%-30%.
I bought my phone used and never had the original charger.
Can somebody measure the maximum charging current reported by Ampere app when using OEM adapter and cable?
I recently purchased a PD capable 45w power bank and the max I see is 2590 mA, which translates into 10.6W (~=4.1V x 2.6A). (Ampere measures the current drawn on the battery, not the charging circuit)
I wonder if the original 27w charger also charges at the same rate. If so, then I would conclude that it works with less than 50% efficiency.
Am I missing sth?
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Can somebody measure the maximum charging current reported by Ampere app when using OEM adapter and cable?
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Using Ampere app:
2450mA charging
+480mA phone consumption
Equals
2930mA (right at the 3A output spec of stock charger)
Stock Brick Spec 5v/3A or 9v/3A
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I've been doing tests over the last couple weeks with an external voltage/amp tester. When using a PD charger it actually is pulling 9V 2A but the phone displays it as 5V 3A. Those are not the exact numbers because it varies as it charges from empty to full but the point is the phone cannot display 9V because it is converted from 9V to 5V inside the phone. I have never got it to reach a full 27 watt charge using many different chargers including stock the most i got was close to 18 watts. I also have 2 essential phones I have been testing and getting the same results.
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I've been doing tests over the last couple weeks with an external voltage/amp tester. When using a PD charger it actually is pulling 9V 2A but the phone displays it as 5V 3A. Those are not the exact numbers because it varies as it charges from empty to full but the point is the phone cannot display 9V because it is converted from 9V to 5V inside the phone. I have never got it to reach a full 27 watt charge using many different chargers including stock the most i got was close to 18 watts. I also have 2 essential phones I have been testing and getting the same results.
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Hey saw your post here, sorry for necro-ing, but my phone also shows 5v 3.41A on a 18W charger. I was worried that something was wrong but it seems that its normal.