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Too slow

I have no idea what happened.
I'm using Cyanogen last update and the phone is so slow it is useless.
Specially when closing an app and going back to the home screen... it takes forever for the phone to be available and ready.
What is the problem ? Any hint?

nricci said:
I have no idea what happened.
I'm using Cyanogen last update and the phone is so slow it is useless.
Specially when closing an app and going back to the home screen... it takes forever for the phone to be available and ready.
What is the problem ? Any hint?
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Im guessing you have alot of apps open in the background then, you should consider getting a task killer app from market.

Not really...
A wipe fixes everything.

Thank you guys.
The phone is slow 5 seconds after a reboot.
Home screen takes forever to appear and some time forces close.
I might try another room, I don't know.

Everything you need is right here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=567610

I had the same issue. Here is what i did to fix it
Did a Nandroid backup, wipe ,flash with the 1.6 base rom first, then the latest CyanogenMod rom.

Thanks
Will try your suggestions and post the results

Mine was slowing to a crawl as well, turns out (I think) it didn't run as well with compcache enabled. Since disabling it again it is running much better.

nricci said:
I have no idea what happened.
I'm using Cyanogen last update and the phone is so slow it is useless.
Specially when closing an app and going back to the home screen... it takes forever for the phone to be available and ready.
What is the problem ? Any hint?
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My hint would be ditch Cyan(buggy arse rom)mod and switch to something better and more reliable like either rom in my signiture.

shadowch31 said:
My hint would be ditch Cyan(buggy arse rom)mod and switch to something better and more reliable like either rom in my signiture.
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Did you just call cyanogen buggy? Them's fightin' words *spits into spittoon*

JAguirre1231 said:
Did you just call cyanogen buggy? Them's fightin' words *spits into spittoon*
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Erm I do believe I did! *spits into spittoon and listens for the 'ting' noise*
I'll even go as far to say any dev putting the word stable in the title of a rom (at his own admission when it is anything but and needs to be tested) yet still continues trying to fool himself by still saying its stable deserves to have it labelled buggy crap

shadowch31 said:
Erm I do believe I did! *spits into spittoon and listens for the 'ting' noise*
I'll even go as far to say any dev putting the word stable in the title of a rom (at his own admission when it is anything but and needs to be tested) yet still continues trying to fool himself by still saying its stable deserves to have it labelled buggy crap
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Let's just remember, cyan is basically the base for many roms

JAguirre1231 said:
Let's just remember, cyan is basically the base for many roms
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Oh I know that fella, I'm using Super D at the moment which is a mix of cyan and dwang and whilst they use the base they also inherite the annoying little bugs too
He has done one hell of a lot for the community, still doesn't detract from the facts though.

shadowch31 said:
Oh I know that fella, I'm using Super D at the moment which is a mix of cyan and dwang and whilst they use the base they also inherite the annoying little bugs too
He has done one hell of a lot for the community, still doesn't detract from the facts though.
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I used cyan for a week then went back to hero.Now im back on hero(espresso).

On the concept of "stable" I think people have preconceived definitions without merit. Take for example the definition of a "stable stochastic process", which though it is nicer to deal with than many Levy processes, is still a pure jump process. If one can accept the idea of a pure jump stochastic process as being "stable" then it is no problem to see any Cyanogen ROM as stable.
As a side note, I have not had any issues with CM that could not be easily resolved. I love his ROMS, but have a lot of respect for the extremely stable work put out by Enom (I only used his ROM for awhile, but switched to CM for the ease in theming).

This has happened to me before with Cyanogen but I found it was more to do with the SD Card. It would happen anytime I removed the USB cable without "Ejecting" the phone first, amongst other things.
The solution was to format the SD Card and reflash but the downside is you lose everything including apps.

(Solved using CM7) Finding a ROM where everything I WANT works doesn't seem to exist

Problem Solved. Running CM7 Build 40 (or later).

Do you have a condensed version of this post?
PS. My name is HondaCop and I approve this message.

Sounds like you've experienced a mix of software, firmware, and hardware issues and blamed them all on the ROM.

I use Fresh and can do everything that I read (didn't read the entire wall though, you may want to put in some Cliff notes for the lazy.)
I also run launcher pro.

So make one yourself, nothings stopping you, all the pieces and knowledge are free. Your post on here doesn't really serve a purpose.

Tried Calk's EViO 2, Myn's RLS5, Azrael X 2.1-3.1 over the 1st 3 months after I rooted, all had their various issues. Been on Vaelpak for over a month, love it! Dev is quick to respond to problems, even when they're caused by something in my setup. Currently on v 3.1 RC1 (update 2), v3.2 is right around the corner. Gets better every day!
Swyped on my VaelPak'd Supersonic EVO 4G...

It sounds like you want a rom that does what you want and the good news is...you can get it by making it yourself.
Expecting the devs to make something specifically to your tastes especially when most of it is done free of charge is a bit much to be asking.
If you can't make the rom you like on your own then you had better get cracking at fixing the rom with most of your wants working. You said so yourself you are too lazy to fix even a simple font issue yet you want the devs to make all your "i wants" possible. You should at least put in the effort to try to fix the little stuff (font for example) on your own before expecting the devs to do everything for you.

mswlogo said:
I've tried about 10 ROM's over the past couples weeks and if I could put the best features of all them on one it would be great.
This is in no way a report on disatisfaction from efforts from chefs. They are all sharing there time and effort typically on something they want for themselves.
But it seems you have to give up something to get something else.
I'm hoping someone can shed some light on my issues. Like use ROM X but apply this fix or patch.
I know everybody has different criteria for a "Working ROM" some may feel it's critical that Music plays over bluetooth with the phone going half asleep. Another user may want it to look like an iPhone etc.
But I don't need much (IMHO) but I just can't seem to get there.
Keep in mind I could easily live with most of these ROMs. But when you see something working right on one ROM but want it on another you keep hoping you can find a ROM that does everything the way you want or you can make it do so.
What I say I need may be incomplete because some things I take for granted. Like the phone needs to work, LED's for pending messages need to work etc.
1) ASOP Contacts. Why? So I can Click on Navigate to Address with that contact open. If anyone knows how to make HTC Sense Contacts do this I'd love to know. It can only go to stupid Google Maps.
2) Voice and Google Search to Include Contacts (ideally near the top of the list). I think I may have found a reason why it varies. If you shut off "Search As I Type" it behaves much more the way I prefer and Contacts will come right to the top and if you hit search it will then do a google search.
3) BlueTooth. All I use is simple headset that has worked on TP2 and 5 phones before that. It randomly disconnects after a Voice Search. Then leaves Voice Search prompt stuck on screen. Many (All?) sense based ROMs do this. But CM7 ROMs do not.
3a) Bluetooth Volume Resetting. Some ROM's it gets stuck at a low volume. That I can increase each time but it keeps reverting.
4) Solid 100% GPS. All Sense based ROMs work great. CM7 based ones are crap.
5) Battery as good as Stock or better.
6) ESPT (is a very nice to have but not critical).
7) Don't care about 4G or Eye Candy. But I don't want it to be an Eye sore either.
8) As a poor mans confirmation on Voice Search. I noticed on some Rom if you just say Call Fred Smith (WITHOUT saying on mobile) it will prompt Fred Smith on Mobile or Home. This is great !! So at least you know you got the right person. Then you say Mobile (which it rarely gets wrong). It makes the call. This doesn't work on all ROM's.
9) Good support thread. Some ROMs have very little interaction with chef to help get answers and plugs for some things you'd like to see. Some have very good Chef support but and pounded with stupid chatter and you'd have to live in the thread full time to keep up. It's seems the better support a Chef does pulls in more folks that just want to chat about anything.
10) If Click Send Message from a Contact that could actually FILL the To: Phone Number. A lot of ROM's this doesn't work on. Some depend on a Cache that you have an ongoing thread.
I have not tried alternate kernels with Sense Based ROM's perhaps that would solve some bluetooth issues.
CM7 Build 38 looked promising at first glance. But it fell on its face with GPS. Yes I did all the silly tricks. It always finds location and locks quick. But it just refuses to update while navigating. Will occasionally get an update.
NonSense ROM was very close and I may end up going back to it and perhaps with different Kernels because it suffered from Bluetooth issues. Might be time to upgrade BT headset. It's worked so well for so long I hate to give it up.
These are all stock #15 Kernel with lastest Radio and PRL.
Myn - Over themed (Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder I guess) poor contrasts on Fonts. Yes fixable. But I'm too lazy.
NonSense - Bluetooth is really only issue. Battery about same as Stock.
CM7 BLD 38 - Missed calls GPS will lock but not update.
VP3.70 - This really looks quite good but I just didn't have the time to learn which freaken updates to apply. He leans on theming which is low priority for me.
Rainfreak - Not actually installed, he says he addressed bluetooth issues. But he removed EPST and some other critical Sense based things. Might be easy to put back. But he abandoned support
OMJ - I misspoke in other threads this is a pretty nice stock based ROM and I like his thinking. Fine tune the stock stuff. Currently running. Several of the issues listed above (3,3a, 8).
Sprintlovers - Too close to stock, why bother.
Calkulin - Had stability issues with 1.7.7 (even with undervolt removed). 1.8 seems to have fixed that but still has some of my common issues with Sense Based ROM's with none of the pluses of the Hybrid Sense/ASOP ROMs.
MiekFroyo - Too many ROM's I forget what issues I had but I'm sure in the list above.
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the bold part made me stop reading until i seen the part about miks roms ... HA its imho the fastest most stablest sense based rom out there !
about the lazy part please unroot your phone then ... lol to lazy to flash a simple file

CheesyNutz said:
the bold part made me stop reading until i seen the part about miks roms ... HA its imho the fastest most stablest sense based rom out there !
about the lazy part please unroot your phone then ... lol to lazy to flash a simple file
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I don't think his ROM would solve many of my issues any way. If I see a ROM "Over themed" then tend to have different priorities. And I don't want to spend time customizing it. I want one that starts close. Also if the doesn't see this a serious flaw then I suspect I would see other flaws.
Again, nothing against different chefs. Different strokes for different folks.

mswlogo said:
I've tried about 10 ROM's over the past couples weeks and if I could put the best features of all them on one it would be great.
This is in no way a report on disatisfaction from efforts from chefs. They are all sharing there time and effort typically on something they want for themselves.
But it seems you have to give up something to get something else.
I'm hoping someone can shed some light on my issues. Like use ROM X but apply this fix or patch.
I know everybody has different criteria for a "Working ROM" some may feel it's critical that Music plays over bluetooth with the phone going half asleep. Another user may want it to look like an iPhone etc.
But I don't need much (IMHO) but I just can't seem to get there.
Keep in mind I could easily live with most of these ROMs. But when you see something working right on one ROM but want it on another you keep hoping you can find a ROM that does everything the way you want or you can make it do so.
What I say I need may be incomplete because some things I take for granted. Like the phone needs to work, LED's for pending messages need to work etc.
1) ASOP Contacts. Why? So I can Click on Navigate to Address with that contact open. If anyone knows how to make HTC Sense Contacts do this I'd love to know. It can only go to stupid Google Maps.
2) Voice and Google Search to Include Contacts (ideally near the top of the list). I think I may have found a reason why it varies. If you shut off "Search As I Type" it behaves much more the way I prefer and Contacts will come right to the top and if you hit search it will then do a google search.
3) BlueTooth. All I use is simple headset that has worked on TP2 and 5 phones before that. It randomly disconnects after a Voice Search. Then leaves Voice Search prompt stuck on screen. Many (All?) sense based ROMs do this. But CM7 ROMs do not.
3a) Bluetooth Volume Resetting. Some ROM's it gets stuck at a low volume. That I can increase each time but it keeps reverting.
4) Solid 100% GPS. All Sense based ROMs work great. CM7 based ones are crap.
5) Battery as good as Stock or better.
6) ESPT (is a very nice to have but not critical).
7) Don't care about 4G or Eye Candy. But I don't want it to be an Eye sore either.
8) As a poor mans confirmation on Voice Search. I noticed on some Rom if you just say Call Fred Smith (WITHOUT saying on mobile) it will prompt Fred Smith on Mobile or Home. This is great !! So at least you know you got the right person. Then you say Mobile (which it rarely gets wrong). It makes the call. This doesn't work on all ROM's.
9) Good support thread. Some ROMs have very little interaction with chef to help get answers and plugs for some things you'd like to see. Some have very good Chef support but and pounded with stupid chatter and you'd have to live in the thread full time to keep up. It's seems the better support a Chef does pulls in more folks that just want to chat about anything.
10) If Click Send Message from a Contact that could actually FILL the To: Phone Number. A lot of ROM's this doesn't work on. Some depend on a Cache that you have an ongoing thread.
I have not tried alternate kernels with Sense Based ROM's perhaps that would solve some bluetooth issues.
CM7 Build 38 looked promising at first glance. But it fell on its face with GPS. Yes I did all the silly tricks. It always finds location and locks quick. But it just refuses to update while navigating. Will occasionally get an update.
NonSense ROM was very close and I may end up going back to it and perhaps with different Kernels because it suffered from Bluetooth issues. Might be time to upgrade BT headset. It's worked so well for so long I hate to give it up.
These are all stock #15 Kernel with lastest Radio and PRL.
Myn - Over themed (Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder I guess) poor contrasts on Fonts. Yes fixable. But I'm too lazy.
NonSense - Bluetooth is really only issue. Battery about same as Stock.
CM7 BLD 38 - Missed calls GPS will lock but not update.
VP3.70 - This really looks quite good but I just didn't have the time to learn which freaken updates to apply. He leans on theming which is low priority for me.
Rainfreak - Not actually installed, he says he addressed bluetooth issues. But he removed EPST and some other critical Sense based things. Might be easy to put back. But he abandoned support
OMJ - I misspoke in other threads this is a pretty nice stock based ROM and I like his thinking. Fine tune the stock stuff. Currently running. Several of the issues listed above (3,3a, 8).
Sprintlovers - Too close to stock, why bother.
Calkulin - Had stability issues with 1.7.7 (even with undervolt removed). 1.8 seems to have fixed that but still has some of my common issues with Sense Based ROM's with none of the pluses of the Hybrid Sense/ASOP ROMs.
MiekFroyo - Too many ROM's I forget what issues I had but I'm sure in the list above.
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I actually DID read the entire thing and everything you posted works in king's Ultra Froyo, for the most part

carhauler1969 said:
Tried Calk's EViO 2, Myn's RLS5, Azrael X 2.1-3.1 over the 1st 3 months after I rooted, all had their various issues. Been on Vaelpak for over a month, love it! Dev is quick to respond to problems, even when they're caused by something in my setup. Currently on v 3.1 RC1 (update 2), v3.2 is right around the corner. Gets better every day!
Swyped on my VaelPak'd Supersonic EVO 4G...
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I may just go to Vaelpak again (Definitely high on the list). I might just wait for V3.2. His updates are bit confusing. If they are primarily to fix "theme" issues I don't care. Again he has a high priority on Themes. That's fine, lot's folks love that stuff. I don't care about themes.
If VaelPak did some refinements on bluetooth (like Rainfreak said he did). Then it would be high on the list to try again. He spends lot of time on high resolution DPI stuff on themes. Just extra band with I need to sift through. But other threads say it's the Kernel that matters regarding bluetooth. That's not clear.

CheesyNutz said:
the bold part made me stop reading until i seen the part about miks roms ... HA its imho the fastest most stablest sense based rom out there !
about the lazy part please unroot your phone then ... lol to lazy to flash a simple file
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Also sense based Contacts is one of my major issues.
My favorite ROMs are the Hybrids that have some ASOP Gingerbread components that IMHO do it a little better even though not as Eye Candy-ish in some cases.

mswlogo said:
I may just go to Vaelpak again (Definitely high on the list). I might just wait for V3.2. His updates are bit confusing. If they are primarily to fix "theme" issues I don't care. Again he has a high priority on Themes. That's fine, lot's folks love that stuff. I don't care about themes.
If VaelPak did some refinements on bluetooth (like Rainfreak said he did). Then it would be high on the list to try again. He spends lot of time on high resolution DPI stuff on themes. Just extra band with I need to sift through. But other threads say it's the Kernel that matters regarding bluetooth. That's not clear.
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it is the kernel that matters for bluetooth.

i think its time for you to start learning how to make your own rom but wait your to lazy . i have a feeling no matter what anyone says here will be good enough for you .
enjoy rom hopping ill enjoy my 20 + hours of battery life with miks 4.5 and 17 hours on CM7

matt2053 said:
Sounds like you've experienced a mix of software, firmware, and hardware issues and blamed them all on the ROM.
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Lot of people with broken hardware then because I've seen many of the issues posted by other folks. In fact co-worked has rooted Droid II and he has some very similar issues. Only hardware that may have issues is my headset. But it worked perfect on TP2.
Part of the problems are Froyo 2.2 and some stupid limitation in Google Apps. Which is why I like Hybrid ROMs that have some Gingerbread 2.3 compoents that address some issues.
Full Gingerbread 2.3 ROMs are not ready for prime time yet (for me). I look forward to an official release.

BK553 said:
So make one yourself, nothings stopping you, all the pieces and knowledge are free. Your post on here doesn't really serve a purpose.
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I might, I used Calkulins Kitchen for TP2 and stuck with the same ROM for 7 or so months. But it did take months of F'in around with it to know what works well with what.
Trying to avoid that time sink. By the time I get it "right" Gingerbread 2.3 will probably be out and solve many issues.

HipKat said:
I actually DID read the entire thing and everything you posted works in king's Ultra Froyo, for the most part
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Thanks I had that on my list to look at.

CheesyNutz said:
i think its time for you to start learning how to make your own rom but wait your to lazy . i have a feeling no matter what anyone says here will be good enough for you .
enjoy rom hopping ill enjoy my 20 + hours of battery life with miks 4.5 and 17 hours on CM7
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Well I was kinda under the stupid assumption when I bought the EVO Android worked !!
Now I have to build my own ROM. Geesh.
Again I don't think my list is too demanding. Some issues are pet-peivish, I admit.
Stock battery life is fine with me.
CM7 battery is looking respectable. But the phone fell flat on it's face before it could make it through one battery cycle to really know. When EVERYONE says GPS works I may give CM7 another go. By then my guess is a leaked GingerBread 2.3 will be out.

mswlogo said:
Well I was kinda under the stupid assumption when I bought the EVO Android worked !!
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Last I checked it does work, maybe not how you want it to exactly, but work it does
Now I have to build my own ROM. Geesh.
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QQ
Again I don't think my list is too demanding. Some issues are pet-peivish, I admit.
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I'll address this in a bit
Stock battery life is fine with me.
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Then run stock...
CM7 battery is looking respectable. But the phone fell flat on it's face before it could make it through one battery cycle to really know. When EVERYONE says GPS works I may give CM7 another go. By then my guess is a leaked GingerBread 2.3 will be out.
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How did the phone fall flat on its face? GPS issues?
Basically what you're doing is you're "customering" the developers. You're wanting to take the best pieces of all of them and automagically jam pack them into one ROM completely tailored to your needs. The only way this is going to happen is if you dive in and start helping or you build your own ROM. This post would have served much better purposes had you asked if anyone knows of a ROM that does all of these functions instead of going out and slamming each ROM for what it doesn't have. Each dev is going to take their own work their own way and that's the end of the story. If you don't like it, you have a few options, do your own work or quit your *****ing. There are a lot of things that I would LOVE to see in CM but until I bust out my coding chops or start adding to the development table, there's not much I can really do except thank him for his work, donate, and be happy that there are a ton of people out there donating their time to making this **** better.

I've been having the same problem. Calkulin's is the closest I have come

[EXPERIMENT] Let's see how big one change can be...

Hey there XDA! I need a little help with something. I'm trying to test some new optimizations, and there's one change that could make a huge difference or no difference at all, and I need more people than just me to help test it. The rom used for testing is my build of PureNexus, due to its closeness to stock aosp and assortment of features. Please make sure the rom fits our needs if you are unfamiliar. No user-end features have been changed. Both of the roms are compiled with a custom SaberMod 4.9 toolchain and DragonTC 3.9.
Obligatory "im not responsible if you brick your device"
The Experiment:
There are 2 builds that will be in the link downloads folder, Test A and Test B. There is one change between the two, in fact, it's just one Boolean value. Please help by downloading and flashing them, and reporting your experience.
The Rules:
Run each build for at least 1 day
Use your normal kernel with your normal settings
Please don't use xposed
Include your favorite benchmark and examples of differences (ex. app opening is slower/faster)
The experiment will end April 15th, please submit your results by then
The Downloads:
https://basketbuild.com/devs/frap129/Nexus%206%28shamu%29/Test
Thanks in advanced! The changes I made and the difference between the two will be released after the experiment ends!

Reserved for results and such

I'd love to flash this and test it out, but I'm going to need a bit more info. What are the changes you made? Also, if I do flash, is a full wipe necessary before I try the first as well as in-between the two?

It seems that a lot of what you are trying to test (benchmark, lag, possibly battery life) is a strong function of the kernel and not the ROM. So if your are asking the people to use their own kernel I'm not sure the feedback you get is comparable from person to person.
Also, as mentioned in the past above, it helps if you explain what these roms are, what they are based on, if you have complied them yourself or not, do they have any built in features different from stock, etc.

mrjiggywiggy said:
I'd love to flash this and test it out, but I'm going to need a bit more info. What are the changes you made? Also, if I do flash, is a full wipe necessary before I try the first as well as in-between the two?
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The point of the experiment is to be a double blind test, therefore I would prefer not to say what change has been made. I have compiled both of these from source using SaberMod 4.9 and DragonTC 3.9, if that helps you at all. Thanks for your interest.
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It seems that a lot of what you are trying to test (benchmark, lag, possibly battery life) is a strong function of the kernel and boot the ROM. So if your are asking the people to use their own kernel I'm not sure the feedback you get is comparable from person to person.
Also, as mentioned in the past above, it helps if you explain what these roms are, what they are based on, if you have complied them yourself or not, do they have any built in features different from stock, etc.
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Your first statement is part of why I want to do this. Because the change was not to the kernel, any increase in performance should be maintained regardless of the kernel, though it may vary. In regards to your second statement, I stated in the OP that they are my builds of PureNexus. Obviously, no features were changed to remain consistent for the sake of the test. Nonetheless, thank you for your input. I will add more info to the OP

frap129 said:
.... I would prefer not to say what change has been made.
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You should tell !

Will flash A tomorrow and B the day after tomorrow in a MultiROM (need Android N this week)
Also, any interest in a revival of G Watch developing?

NLBeev said:
You should tell !
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I will once the experiment is over!
konradit said:
Will flash A tomorrow and B the day after tomorrow in a MultiROM (need Android N this week)
Also, any interest in a revival of G Watch developing?
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Thanks for the help! and not at the moment. I had started working on a new rom, but then 6.0 came out and I had to scrap most of my work. Maybe when I get a little more free time.

frap129 said:
I will once the experiment is over.
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OK. You are using the 'placebo effect'.
The user/patient may think it works. But in practice more that 50% may become unsatisfied.
Good luck with the experiment!

NLBeev said:
OK. You are using the 'placebo effect'.
The user/patient may think it works. But in practice more that 50% may become unsatisfied.
Good luck with the experiment!
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Nope, for this to be placebo I would have to say which one should work better for the user to believe that it actually works better. There is a legitimate difference between the two, but one is not necessarily "better"

You are gonna be hard pressed for people to test this out with the vague way you put it. Let alone using those 2 useless tool chains. Many wont look twice just because of those.
Also one boolean change is not gonna make any real diff.

zelendel said:
You are gonna be hard pressed for people to test this out with the vague way you put it. Let alone using those 2 useless tool chains. Many wont look twice just because of those.
Also one boolean change is not gonna make any real diff.
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Neither of them are useless, and this one boolean actually caused a major difference by changing the way that ART is compiled and targeted for a device. Please don't spread ignorant garbage without a little thought. It only hurts the community.

frap129 said:
Neither of them are useless, and this one boolean actually caused a major difference by changing the way that ART is compiled and targeted for a device. Please don't spread ignorant garbage without a little thought. It only hurts the community.
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I'm not. Many developers have already called out the so called tool chains making a big diff. Why do you think none of the temp use them?
Either way good luck to you

to avoid all the arguing would it be possible for you to make 2 builds one pure untouched aosp with pure untouched aosp kernel and the other with just your one change based off the first? Seems that would simplify things greatly

adm1jtg said:
to avoid all the arguing would it be possible for you to make 2 builds one pure untouched aosp with pure untouched aosp kernel and the other with just your one change based off the first? Seems that would simplify things greatly
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Well then I would have to download AOSP source code, which would take about a day with my internet speeds (and im not that patient lol). I honestly don't understand why using PureNexus is a problem.

frap129 said:
Well then I would have to download AOSP source code, which would take about a day with my internet speeds (and im not that patient lol). I honestly don't understand why using PureNexus is a problem.
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You have to understand that people will not run a rom just to test something that most devs say are placebo.
A few months ago tool chains were all the talk and people found out for themselves.

zelendel said:
You have to understand that people will not run a rom just to test something that most devs say are placebo.
A few months ago tool chains were all the talk and people found out for themselves.
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As I stated before, the difference between the two builds is not a toolchain, both use the same ones.

I imagine self reporting will be .... Anecdotal and skewed. Unless a person does exactly the same things in the same amount, error will ensue. Also use will likely vary moreso between a typical weekday and a Friday. If he dataset is big and diverse enough, these can be considered nominal but that means many hundreds of instances at the least. How do u plan to normalize the data, will there be measures of dispersion published?.... Don't mean to be that guy but unless u control the controls the results will not be robust and conclusive. I want to see this work and not have people's impressions be skewed by systemic flaws! I'm all about empirical evidence and ROM development and promotion are laden with unverifiable claims about performance and battery life. "Benchmarks don't matter" is all I hear. I would love to see standardized testing with repeatable data producing unbiased comparisons so the mystery is removed and claims are verifiable.
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Guess the test is over with few to no takers.
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Nothing

Android 7 is out

Received the update to Android 7.0 NRD90M (from Preview 5) last night.

Wifi or LTE?
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I enrolled my Nexus 9 LTE in the Beta program and got DP5 yesterday. Today I got the update to full Android 7.0.

I did the same (beta program) 2 hours ago for my N9 WiFi, received the full Android 7 and installed; then removed from beta with no need to reinstall all (I agreed to receive the OTA for a official Android version but nothing is arrived...).

Nexus 9 (WIFI) factory image : https://dl.google.com/dl/android/aosp/volantis-nrd90m-factory-b718f71b.tgz
Nexus 9 (WIFI) OTA image : https://dl.google.com/dl/android/aosp/volantis-ota-nrd90m-5468c87c.zip

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glockman4519 said:
Has any of you awesome followers with more android skill than I, made a TWRP flashable zip with this update?
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not that i've come across but why would you need one? stock img is available from google
edit: you could even take the extremely lazy route (as long as you're on fully stock) and sign into the beta program for N, it updates almost immediately

My device is not recognised for the beta program. Any ideas why. I flashed the full version any way but just curious. Nexus 9 wi-fi.

Gold Ribbed said:
My device is not recognised for the beta program. Any ideas why. I flashed the full version any way but just curious. Nexus 9 wi-fi.
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Nexus 9 wifi latest factory image already available on Google developer site.
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damngood98 said:
not that i've come across but why would you need one? stock img is available from google
edit: you could even take the extremely lazy route (as long as you're on fully stock) and sign into the beta program for N, it updates almost immediately
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glockman4519 said:
It has nothing to do with being lazy... Lol..... It has to do with ADB. I know that I can use ADB and side load this from my PC using TWRP. But usually there is a rooted version out hours after Google releases a new OS. I was just checking to see of anyone made one yet. That's all. I see now that there isn't one so I will wait until one is made and shared. Thank you though for replying to my post.
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Actually .. if you're waiting for someone to post a zip flashable version that's already rooted, instead of just flashing the files with fastboot, then flashing superSu, I'd call that pretty lazy too. Lol

dictionary said:
Actually .. if you're waiting for someone to post a zip flashable version that's already rooted, instead of just flashing the files with fastboot, then flashing superSu, I'd call that pretty lazy too. Lol
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glockman4519 said:
Call it what you will. I am not going to argue with you. I already have it on and rooted, so I'm not lazy. I do video reviews and a large portion of my subs are new to android. I just wanted to try and find an easy to flash, one step process for them to follow but you cant even ask for something like that here without someone doing exactly this. Its a shame really and its no wonder that some people find it hard to enjoy this side of Android. Thank you again for you response.
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Going to have to disagree with you on this one. If you are doing any of this stuff to your device, it's best you know how to fix it if it doesn't work out. IMHO, if you are on the Nexus line, you should be adb/fastboot proficient.
I can understand why people don't like responses like ours, but honestly the world has become way too coddled. People want everything NOW. Answer my question, I don't want to search. For the people who have been around for a while, that gets old. I have no qualms helping people out, but people are overly sensitive to everything. I'm not trying to argue either. Wasn't trying to come off negative, was just being playful. If that gets misconstrued as something that would make people not want to visit this site, then I say they seriously need a dose of reality.

dictionary said:
Going to have to disagree with you on this one. If you are doing any of this stuff to your device, it's best you know how to fix it if it doesn't work out. IMHO, if you are on the Nexus line, you should be adb/fastboot proficient.
I can understand why people don't like responses like ours, but honestly the world has become way too coddled. People want everything NOW. Answer my question, I don't want to search. For the people who have been around for a a while, that gets old. I have no qualms helping people out, but people are overly sensitive to everything. I'm not trying to argue either. Wasn't trying to come off negative either, was just being playful. If that gets misconstrued as something that would make people not want to visit this site, then I say they seriously need a dose of reality.
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Just don't bother saying anything at all then this thread won't get filled up with your disagreements... Or at least just private message them:good:

glockman4519 said:
Agreed to disagree. I wasn't asking for anything right away or demanding of anything of the sort. I simply asked a question. I searched and did what was required on my part. And I didn't ask you personally for you're help. It was a simple question asked in general. Either there is a yes response or no response at all.
I have also been around for a while and am not new to this forum or android. I know the rules and before I posted I checked. All I'm saying is if there is no help or answer to my question, and there isn't, I go my mary way with no response and I keep searching on my own. I get it. Look at my posts, I don't treaty people like idiots. If I don't have an answer for a post, I Just don't reply. I am not going to waist my day in argument over something this trivial. I am sorry to have disturbed you or anyone one else for that matter in this thread and I sincerely apologize, it's just a shame that it's needed, but I'll respect that since I wasn't the one to start this thread. Again thank you for your reply.
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Was referring to the people you were trying to instruct in your video, not you.
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Just don't bother saying anything at all then this thread won't get filled up with your disagreements... Or at least just private message them:good:
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Not replying has also had people come back to threads mad that nobody replied, lol. It's a dammed if you do, dammed if you don't type situation. *shrug* oh well I guess.

glockman4519 said:
Call it what you will. I am not going to argue with you. I already have it on and rooted, so I'm not lazy. I do video reviews and a large portion of my subs are new to android. I just wanted to try and find an easy to flash, one step process for them to follow but you cant even ask for something like that here without someone doing exactly this. Its a shame really and its no wonder that some people find it hard to enjoy this side of Android. Thank you again for you response.
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Just thinking out loud, but maybe you are not best placed to pass on your "knowledge" to beginners if you yourself don't know much/enough about the subject?
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Got my update yesterday via OTA . I must say I am slightly underwhelmed by the performance now. Especially Chrome feels much more laggy and sluggish. Scrolling was smoother before.
Anyone else with the same experience?

yahooooo said:
Got my update yesterday via OTA . I must say I am slightly underwhelmed by the performance now. Especially Chrome feels much more laggy and sluggish. Scrolling was smoother before.
Anyone else with the same experience?
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I haven't updated yet, so I don't know if the following applies to N, and, since you took the OTA you're probably not interested in a custom kernel, and, I don't even know what kernels are available, but, what the hell, just in case: Chrome was extremely slow for me, too, until I installed ElementalX and set Readahead to 128.

PhilipTD said:
I haven't updated yet, so I don't know if the following applies to N, and, since you took the OTA you're probably not interested in a custom kernel, and, I don't even know what kernels are available, but, what the hell, just in case: Chrome was extremely slow for me, too, until I installed ElementalX and set Readahead to 128.
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Something went wrong !!
Try factory reset !
Reflash everything via fastboot
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sheenswizner said:
Something when wrong !!
Try factory reset !
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I'm afraid that I don't understand your comment.

New to OnePlus.

Good day. I'm a recent convert to OnePlus from LG. Learned the ins and outs of rooting and flashing on that device primarily through reading, and asking for help in the forums. Would anyone be willing to help by pointing me in the direction of info that would help me get started. Obviously I want to root and possible flash custom on this device at some point. Thanks.

Ballroomblitz said:
Good day. I'm a recent convert to OnePlus from LG. Learned the ins and outs of rooting and flashing on that device primarily through reading, and asking for help in the forums. Would anyone be willing to help by pointing me in the direction of info that would help me get started. Obviously I want to root and possible flash custom on this device at some point. Thanks.
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Hey,
Welcome to the dark side
Here's my guide on the bootloader and root for Android 10
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-8-pro/how-to/guide-unlocking-bootloader-rooting-t4151823
If you're already on 11 then just use the bootloader guide and skip to the next guide below.
Here's also my guide on how to obtain a boot img, the software needed, how to extract it, how to upgrade whilst retaining root or how to root 11 directly, 2 methods..
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-8-pro/how-to/root-uk-eu-patched-magisk-boot-img-t4175033
If you have any questions, just ask away.
The OnePlus uses a two slot system..so if you're booted and you flash a boot img it'll go to the other slot.
There also no TWRP for Android 11 yet, but truth be told you simply don't need it..
My advice would be (if you want to unlock etc) is to get updated and rooted, then grab xXx NoLimits which is a magisk ROM.

Really appreciate your response! I'll do my best to not be a complete bother. I am pretty good at studying up before making attempts, but have been known to sound a bit frantic when I get into a perceived mess. Always appreciated the supportive ones in these forums. Peace!

Ballroomblitz said:
Really appreciate your response! I'll do my best to not be a complete bother. I am pretty good at studying up before making attempts, but have been known to sound a bit frantic when I get into a perceived mess. Always appreciated the supportive ones in these forums. Peace!
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No worries pal.
Read and create a structure in your head of what's going on.
If you're not sure then ask or eliminate the possibilities.

dladz said:
No worries pal.
Read and create a structure in your head of what's going on.
If you're not sure then ask or eliminate the possibilities.
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I just came from the Pixel line....took me a bit to get Verizon to properly activate my device but this thing is sweet. I am currently on the xXx NoLimits. The one thing I miss about Android 10 is being able to force fullscreen on certain apps of mine. I've done it for years for certain situations using a root app. Now it no longer works since they did away with the ability in A11. I did notice a "Apps to Display in Fullscreen" under Advanced in Display settings.....nothing there though. What's that all about?

djcrystals said:
I just came from the Pixel line....took me a bit to get Verizon to properly activate my device but this thing is sweet. I am currently on the xXx NoLimits. The one thing I miss about Android 10 is being able to force fullscreen on certain apps of mine. I've done it for years for certain situations using a root app. Now it no longer works since they did away with the ability in A11. I did notice a "Apps to Display in Fullscreen" under Advanced in Display settings.....nothing there though. What's that all about?
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Lol no idea mate, there is a thread about it but not sure if it'll gain any traction.
The emulators I use all go full screen including the cutout.
Check out my centre clock mod in themes and apps..
Plus the energy ring for battery round the camera cutout..
Just looks better

Welcome aboard, dlads posted some good information there , cheers.
I don't have much to add , except for
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qM5W7Xn7FiA

Limeybastard said:
Welcome aboard, dlads posted some good information there , cheers.
I don't have much to add , except for
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qM5W7Xn7FiA
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Hahhaaa nice.
I'd have a bit of this.
Or maybe this.
Absolute bangers them mate. DJ ratty from back in the day

dladz said:
Hahhaaa nice.
I'd have a bit of this.
Or maybe this.
Absolute bangers them mate. DJ ratty from back in the day
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Nice one ???
Although mine was in relation to the No Limit module. For some strange reason that "toon" cameto mind.

Limeybastard said:
Nice one ???
Although mine was in relation to the No Limit module. For some strange reason that "toon" cameto mind.
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Same era ish