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I have rooted other devices, and I understand the benefits...but there is a bit of a pain. Once you root your device, the way I understand it, you need to wait for an OTA update to be made available via a developer here. Now that usually happens pretty quickly, so that's not the issue. However, usually when you get an update OTA, you don't have to reinstall all your apps again, set up your screens, etc. When you take an update from here, you usually do need to reinstall everything.
If I want to avoid that, and let OTAs happen as they should, is there an easy and right way for me to get Titanium Backup to restore but keep that ability? Do I unlock the bootloader and root, then unroot but leave the bootloader unlocked? It isn't clear, and there seems a lot of noise when people ask, about what you can do that would still allow OTAs. Some seem to say you can take them, others suggest you can't. I have searched, and it is confusing. I would love to know if someone really knows, or could cite a post or article that I may have missed. I know I could loose root in that process, I get that risk. I just want to understand my options.
It is, as an aside, so painful that Android has not properly dealt with backup and restore and migrating apps/data from one device to another in the OS. That seems such a gaping hole that Apple has filed, and one big reason (not always the only one) I seem to end up rooting a device right away. I suspect I would root eventually, but probably wait a bit except for this.
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RoboCuz said:
I have rooted other devices, and I understand the benefits...but there is a bit of a pain. Once you root your device, the way I understand it, you need to wait for an OTA update to be made available via a developer here. Now that usually happens pretty quickly, so that's not the issue. However, usually when you get an update OTA, you don't have to reinstall all your apps again, set up your screens, etc. When you take an update from here, you usually do need to reinstall everything.
If I want to avoid that, and let OTAs happen as they should, is there an easy and right way for me to get Titanium Backup to restore but keep that ability? Do I unlock the bootloader and root, then unroot but leave the bootloader unlocked? It isn't clear, and there seems a lot of noise when people ask, about what you can do that would still allow OTAs. Some seem to say you can take them, others suggest you can't. I have searched, and it is confusing. I would love to know if someone really knows, or could cite a post or article that I may have missed. I know I could loose root in that process, I get that risk. I just want to understand my options.
It is, as an aside, so painful that Android has not properly dealt with backup and restore and migrating apps/data from one device to another in the OS. That seems such a gaping hole that Apple has filed, and one big reason (not always the only one) I seem to end up rooting a device right away. I suspect I would root eventually, but probably wait a bit except for this.
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Why not just unroot get the OTA and reboot? It's so easy with the toolkit you could even relock and unlock at the same time if necessary
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That's a good idea...I guess I hadn't thought of that...but unlocking and relocking would wipe the device, no? If I am going to wipe the device to get the OTA, then I would just proceed through the "normal" way of waiting for someone to release the update in a ROM and flash it. I would just like, in some way, to treat this device like an appliance, and not worry about OTAs bricking my phone, or needing to reinstall everything to get the latest...I just want to start off restoring some of my apps from another device, and then (maybe) just let the updates take their course. I know I could change my mind later and start ROMing, but I just wanted to understand my options....I know I wipe the device when I unlock, so assumed that would happen each time. And I wasn't sure if I needed to unlock to JUST get root, if I am not planning on flashing ROMs. And can I just root,and then use OTA rootkeeper if necessary, and allow updates?
So I guess the questions are:
- Do I need to unlock to root?
- Once I have done what I need to use Titanium (unlock and root or just root), can I take an OTA update, or do I need to undo some or all?
- If I undo some or all, will that incur a wipe?
I think I figured this out...I found the manual for the Nexus Root Toolkit (www.wugfresh.com/dev/nexus-root-toolkit/), and that spells out a LOT of really clear information.
I think I would:
- unlock
- root and install CWM
- use Titanium, etc.
Later, if an OTA comes out I want to allow:
- probably do full CWM backup
- flash stock recovery
- install and run OTA Rootkeeper
- allow the OTA, knowing I might loose root
- reflash CWM
I think this shouldn't cause any issues. This assumes I am basically running stock, and just using root for backup/restore app stuff with Titanium and maybe Root Explorer.
Make sense?
Hi everybody, I'm coming from Sony device,
Unlocking bootloader in Sony device will wipe TA Partition, so we will miss some features on Sony devices after unlocking bootloader.
1. DRM Keys will be deleted forever, so No X-Reality or Super-Vivid
2. Camera quality will decrease
3. Some other software like Overheat Control may not work properly, so sometimes phone gets god damn burning hot!
4. No OTA Update.
So what about Nexus devices? Will I miss something after unlocking bootloader?
I'll unlock bootloader, disable encryption (when workarounds appear here on XDA ), flash custom kernel and root, and flash Xposed Framework when it becomes available for Marshmallow, but I'll stick with stock rom for now.
Reviews say that device is "crazy fast". So I don't wanna end with messed up laggy overheating device with some malfunctioned features just one hour after getting my device. ( I have a habit of unlocking bootloader just after some minutes of getting the device )
Thanks for the answer :fingers-crossed:
Aria.A97 said:
Hi everybody, I'm coming from Sony device,
Unlocking bootloader in Sony device will wipe TA Partition, so we will miss some features on Sony devices after unlocking bootloader.
1. DRM Keys will be deleted forever, so No X-Reality or Super-Vivid
2. Camera quality will decrease
3. Some other software like Overheat Control may not work properly, so sometimes phone gets god damn burning hot!
4. No OTA Update.
So what about Nexus devices? Will I miss something after unlocking bootloader?
I'll unlock bootloader, disable encryption (when workarounds appear here on XDA ), flash custom kernel and root, and flash Xposed Framework when it becomes available for Marshmallow, but I'll stick with stock rom for now.
Reviews say that device is "crazy fast". So I don't wanna end with messed up laggy overheating device with some malfunctioned features just one hour after getting my device. ( I have a habit of unlocking bootloader just after some minutes of getting the device )
Thanks for the answer :fingers-crossed:
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The great thing about Nexus devices is that you don't " lose" anything by unlocking the boot loader. It will wipe the phone, so any pictures, music, etc will be gone. Now I'm not sure if Android pay will work if you root it. But it should still work if you unlocked the boot loader. You can always relock the boot loader if necessary and re locking will not wipe anything. If you do need to unlock again however, it will wipe the device.
kingmikel said:
The great thing about Nexus devices is that you don't " lose" anything by unlocking the boot loader. It will wipe the phone, so any pictures, music, etc will be gone. Now I'm not sure if Android pay will work if you root it. But it should still work if you unlocked the boot loader.
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Yeah because of that wipe I unlock bootloader just when I get my hands on my devices.
I don't care much about Android Pay Honestly, I don't care at all
Unlock the bootloader and you have only your shackles to lose.
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Yeah because of that wipe I unlock bootloader just when I get my hands on my devices.
I don't care much about Android Pay Honestly, I don't care at all
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Me too, I don't bother setting anything up because it gets wiped anyways. Ah how can you say that?! I loved Google Wallet and I want to use Android Pay. It's a tough choice lol
Unlocking is Always the 1st thing I do to a Nexus... Then let the flashing begin
Aria.A97 said:
Hi everybody, I'm coming from Sony device,
Unlocking bootloader in Sony device will wipe TA Partition, so we will miss some features on Sony devices after unlocking bootloader.
1. DRM Keys will be deleted forever, so No X-Reality or Super-Vivid
2. Camera quality will decrease
3. Some other software like Overheat Control may not work properly, so sometimes phone gets god damn burning hot!
4. No OTA Update.
So what about Nexus devices? Will I miss something after unlocking bootloader?
I'll unlock bootloader, disable encryption (when workarounds appear here on XDA ), flash custom kernel and root, and flash Xposed Framework when it becomes available for Marshmallow, but I'll stick with stock rom for now.
Reviews say that device is "crazy fast". So I don't wanna end with messed up laggy overheating device with some malfunctioned features just one hour after getting my device. ( I have a habit of unlocking bootloader just after some minutes of getting the device )
Thanks for the answer :fingers-crossed:
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Unlocking will delete all user data. User apps, pictures, basically everything but the os.
It's a security feature built. That's why most do it when they first get the device, before they get a ton of stuff on it.
CrashTestDroid said:
Unlock the bootloader and you have only your shackles to lose.
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And possibly your data if you don't remote wipe it fast enough and lose your phone or it's stolen.
OK guys thank you all so I'll unlock my phone as soon as I get my hands on it That does no harm for a Nexus
kingmikel said:
Ah how can you say that?! I loved Google Wallet and I want to use Android Pay. It's a tough choice lol
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The point is Android Pay is not available in my country :laugh:
can i just say, holy crap WTF Sony??? are all the things you posted true?
the DRM content, i get. great. boo hoo. find another way to get that stuff. but thermal management, adjustments to camera operations and the ability to receive updates/patching? they really want to punish you.
640k said:
can i just say, holy crap WTF Sony??? are all the things you posted true?
the DRM content, i get. great. boo hoo. find another way to get that stuff. but thermal management, adjustments to camera operations and the ability to receive updates/patching? they really want to punish you.
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Yeah I'm not joking.
From Sony's Official unlock bootloader website
Risks:
1.In worst case, unlocking the boot loader will cause physical injuries or material damage, for example, due to the device overheating. (It will malfunction overheat control sometimes on stock roms too)
2.Certain pre-loaded content on your device may also be inaccessible due to the removal of DRM security keys.
For high-end devices running recent software versions, the removal of DRM security keys may affect advanced camera functionality.
For example, noise reduction algorithms might be removed, and performance when taking photos in low-light conditions might be affected.
The secure user data partition may also become inaccessible
3.and you will not be able to get any more official software upgrades if you unlock the boot loader
4.After unlocking your device, you should not enable My Xperia (found in the settings menu under security on some devices running Android 5.0) as this might cause the device to malfunction.
OMG Apple... I mean Sony!
Overdose1986 said:
OMG Apple... I mean Sony!
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Samsung is worse.
You even try to unlock the bootloader or root a new S6 and you could brick your device.
I have refused to buy any new Samsung device but my daughter wanted an S6.
This is one of the reasons I am returning my Z5 Compact. Firstly, I haven't been all that impressed with the camera even without unlocking the bootloader. But I also wanted to root (love getting rid of those ads), but hearing that it would make the camera even worse was insane.
I'm so excited to get the 6P, hopefully within the week.
CrashTestDroid said:
Unlock the bootloader and you have only your shackles to lose.
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THIS!
If you unlock your bootloader, like folks said it will wipe your stuff, but it's a 1x deal. Just unlocking your bootloader will not screwup Pay, or anything else for that matter. If you make any modifications at all to the /system partition that may/will mess up Pay. You can also flash a custom recovery and do a systemless root and you will still have Pay. There are some particulars depending on the SU version us use to root; you may have to delete a certain folder with some versions, ect. but again no big deal. Rom's are a bigger deal, some break Pay, some don't.
*I know this must have been answered before, I am sorry for playing the newbie, but I couldn't find this anywhere.
I need to know exactly what is at stake for rooting my device, what would I lose access to, and what not.
I've read somewhere that you lose DRM or something like that, is that meaning I will not be able to watch Netflix download and go, or Google Play Music, etc? what does it means?
LionLorena said:
*I know this must have been answered before, I am sorry for playing the newbie, but I couldn't find this anywhere.
I need to know exactly what is at stake for rooting my device, what would I lose access to, and what not.
I've read somewhere that you lose DRM or something like that, is that meaning I will not be able to watch Netflix download and go, or Google Play Music, etc? what does it means?
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You will lose your warranty because you have to unlock your bootloader but if anything goes wrong you can always relock your bootloader and take your phone to a service center and claim your warranty they don't even check it in most cases other than that everything works fine
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prajwal2001 said:
You will lose your warranty because you have to unlock your bootloader but if anything goes wrong you can always relock your bootloader and take your phone to a service center and claim your warranty they don't even check it in most cases other than that everything works fine
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And apart from that, do I lose anything else?
Some guy said I would lose access to that extra anti theft security from Google that works kinda like iCloud, is it true?
LionLorena said:
And apart from that, do I lose anything else?
Some guy said I would lose access to that extra anti theft security from Google that works kinda like iCloud, is it true?
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Nothing else only warranty
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LionLorena said:
And apart from that, do I lose anything else?
Some guy said I would lose access to that extra anti theft security from Google that works kinda like iCloud, is it true?
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Provided you're still on the stock ROM, I don't think rooting affects your anti-theft protection (I recall it's called Factory Reset Protection?). Even if you've enabled OEM unlocking in Developer Options, someone resetting your phone would still need your Google credentials to use the device. Also, if you're logged into your device at the time, you could still locate and wipe your phone via Android Device Manager.
Of course, with an unlocked bootloader and custom recovery (as is generally required to root), someone could still flash a custom ROM and bypass those protections and, also, could in theory still access your data. (but only if they have physical access to your device)
As for DRM, I'm not sure but some apps have been/are now detecting the presence of root and will refuse to work (Snapchat, Pokemon Go, some banking apps come to mind) or for other devices, Android Pay and other security dependent features may not work. I recall magisk, a root manager, does have the ability to mask root from those apps, as well as pass SafetyNet, which is Google's security/anti-tamper detection. Your experience may vary. However, some apps require root access to function properly (e.g. kernel managers, battery monitors) just as to how they function, it's entirely up to you if you see yourself using those rooted apps on a regular enough basis. The root managers available (e.g. SuperSU, magisk) are supported and work well, just ensure you're using the latest versions, and if you're on stock Nougat, to flash a custom kernel prior to rooting (since the stock kernel won't permit modifications, if I recall).
Overall, in my view, you're trading security and warranty (as mentioned by prajwal2001) for convenience/flexibility by rooting - the flexibility alone to flash what you wish is what interested me in rooting my device, if anyone else has any other comments, feel free to add.
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Provided you're still on the stock ROM, rooting shouldn't disable your anti-theft protection (which I recall is Factory Reset Protection). Even if you've enabled OEM unlocking in Developer Options, someone resetting your phone would still need your Google credentials to use the device. Of course, with an unlocked bootloader and custom recovery (as is generally required to root), someone could still flash a custom ROM and bypass those protections and, also, could in theory still access your data. (but only if they have physical access to your device)
As for DRM, I'm not sure but some apps have been/are now detecting the presence of root and will refuse to work (Snapchat, Pokemon Go, some banking apps come to mind) or for other devices, Android Pay and other security dependent features may not work. I recall magisk, a root manager, does have the ability to mask root from those apps, as well as pass SafetyNet, which is Google's security/anti-tamper detection. Your experience may vary. However, some apps require root access to function properly (e.g. kernel managers, battery monitors) just as to how they function, it's entirely up to you if you see yourself using those rooted apps on a regular enough basis. The root managers available (e.g. SuperSU, magisk) are supported and work well, just ensure you're using the latest versions, and if you're on stock Nougat, to flash a custom kernel prior to rooting (since the stock kernel won't permit modifications, if I recall).
Overall, in my view, you're trading security and warranty (as mentioned by prajwal2001) for convenience/flexibility by rooting - the flexibility alone to flash what you wish is what interested me in rooting my device, if anyone else has any other comments, feel free to add.
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Hm I see.
That's a pretty big downside
I guess I will pass root for now, I was only wanting to do to use the ADB via USB OTG and boot disk creator.
Thanks everyone for all the information!
LionLorena said:
Hm I see.
That's a pretty big downside
I guess I will pass root for now, I was only wanting to do to use the ADB via USB OTG and boot disk creator.
Thanks everyone for all the information!
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That's fair enough - there's nothing stopping you from rooting your device, then performing what you need, before unrooting your device. (Just curious, does what you want to do require root, or are there other non-root methods?)
However, this will still involve you voiding your warranty (via unlocking your bootloader), and may also involve re-flashing your stock firmware to remove the custom recovery (and relock your bootloader, if you wish, though this won't recover your warranty, sadly). Honestly though, it's your device, up to you what you wish to do
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That's fair enough - there's nothing stopping you from rooting your device, then performing what you need, before unrooting your device. (Just curious, does what you want to do require root, or are there other non-root methods?)
However, this will still involve you voiding your warranty (via unlocking your bootloader), and may also involve re-flashing your stock firmware to remove the custom recovery (and relock your bootloader, if you wish, though this won't recover your warranty, sadly). Honestly though, it's your device, up to you what you wish to do
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Yeah the warranty is not on top of my mind right now, my concern are the other issues it may cause, such apps not working, and security issues.
Like, I had a Sony Xperia Play back some years and past a week I root it, and past 2 weeks it was on Cyanogenmod.
I had Bricked that device countless times and had somehow fixed, I had also replaced several internal components as well, but back then there were no DRM stuff and all, so the rooting part is not what I fear, is just this new wave of side effects regarding it.
LionLorena said:
Yeah the warranty is not on top of my mind right now, my concern are the other issues it may cause, such apps not working, and security issues.
Like, I had a Sony Xperia Play back some years and past a week I root it, and past 2 weeks it was on Cyanogenmod.
I had Bricked that device countless times and had somehow fixed, I had also replaced several internal components as well, but back then there were no DRM stuff and all, so the rooting part is not what I fear, is just this new wave of side effects regarding it.
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There is no DRM to lose on Motorola devices. On Sony devices, what you said is applicable. As for apps that refuse to work with root access, you can simply switch to Magisk, and enabled hiding root access from all apps.
zeomal said:
There is no DRM to lose on Motorola devices. On Sony devices, what you said is applicable. As for apps that refuse to work with root access, you can simply switch to Magisk, and enabled hiding root access from all apps.
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That's motivating.
And I've found a topic that says I don't even need to flash the custom recovery, I can simply hot boot it and do my stuff and keep the stock recovery.
LionLorena said:
That's motivating.
And I've found a topic that says I don't even need to flash the custom recovery, I can simply hot boot it and do my stuff and keep the stock recovery.
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There's no real point of not changing the stock recovery, unless you are planning to stick with a rooted stock ROM. If you keep the stock recovery, you'll be able to enable OTA stock updates.
From a security standpoint, if your device is lost, it becomes much easier for an attacker to breach your system and much harder for you to protect it. However, according to most security principles, once your device is lost from you, it's no longer your device, anyway.
zeomal said:
There's no real point of not changing the stock recovery, unless you are planning to stick with a rooted stock ROM. If you keep the stock recovery, you'll be able to enable OTA stock updates.
From a security standpoint, if your device is lost, it becomes much easier for an attacker to breach your system and much harder for you to protect it. However, according to most security principles, once your device is lost from you, it's no longer your device, anyway.
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The OTA updates are one of the reasons, yes.
And yes, from that point of view you are right.
I'm currently using some tracking solutions such as Cerberus, and disabling some features while the phone screen is locked, such as quick settings, and power off menu.
Also the extra layer of security imposed by Google version of iCloud, passes me some sense of safety.
The main thing that bothers me related to custom recovery is that the attacker can replace my software entirely.
While with stock I can have some time to recover the device using the tactics. Enabled.
And root could potentially aid me in that, I could add Cerberus to /system and etc.
You lose security. Every person with knowledge can access to your phone through TWRP, use the File Manager to erase files.key (this erases your gesture or PIN of lock screen) and can see all your info. If you unlock bootloader, every person can flash TWRP and do this steps.
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You lose security. Every person with knowledge can access to your phone through TWRP, use the File Manager to erase files.key (this erases your gesture or PIN of lock screen) and can see all your info. If you unlock bootloader, every person can flash TWRP and do this steps.
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thats why i'm thinking 3 times before doing it.
-Preface: I have never rooted an Android phone before. I really want to but I have questions/concerns that I want to address before I do so. My daily driver and the phone I want to root is a OnePlus 5 running Android 7.1.1 Nougat.
-I want to root my phone to learn how to root and gain the experience from it (one of the reasons I built my own PC, besides just having an amazing gaming PC), delete all the garbage apps that I can't uninstall or can only disable, I want access to the very useful apps only accessible with root access of a phone, etc.
-Is it safe to root an Android phone?
-How do I root my phone?
-Should I be installing any antivirus/anti-malware software to plug security problems that comes with rooting an Android device? (I currently have Malwarebytes Pro; I was grandfathered in so I don't need to pay for it.)
-Here are some apps that I plan on using with my rooted phone (these either require rooting or significantly benefit from it): Oxygen Updater, Greenify, Sixaxis Controller, SuperSU, Titanium Backup, system app remover, Flashfire, Keepass2 USB Keyboard Plugin, Flashify, Lucky Patcher, Adaway, Game hacker app (Freedom APK?)
-Are there any other apps that you can suggest that I use with a rooted Android phone?
-Will OTA updates still work? I would absolutely hate having to re-root every single time OnePlus releases an update. (I think Oxygen Updater and Flashfire might be able to solve this problem.)
-I'm not sure if all of my concerns/questions that I have are laid out here but I would love all feedback, responses, and additional concerns you may raise with rooting. Thanks so much!
This looks like the page I might be looking for as to how to root the OnePlus 5: https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5/how-to/oneplus-5-unlock-bootloader-flash-twrp-t3624877. Not sure what any of the terminology means at the moment, but when/if I'm ready to root, this seems like the place to do it.
Ah safe as houses these days xD, just make sure your on the latest OOS firmware and follow that guide you've linked. You learn from your mistakes and just remember you've got a team of people willing to help you out with any issues if you do mess up
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Ah safe as houses these days xD, just make sure your on the latest OOS firmware and follow that guide you've linked. You learn from your mistakes and just remember you've got a team of people willing to help you out with any issues if you do mess up
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Does rooting completely wipe the phone of all its data? If so, how do I ensure it's all backed up in case something goes wrong? All my important things (my files: images, videos, etc.) are uploaded to cloud services (Google Drive and Microsoft OneDrive), so I won't lose any of that stuff, but I absolutely (1) cannot brick my phone, and (2) I don't want to have to, in case something goes wrong, reinstall all my apps, sign into them again, change the settings to the way I like, etc.
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Does rooting completely wipe the phone of all its data? If so, how do I ensure it's all backed up in case something goes wrong? All my important things (my files: images, videos, etc.) are uploaded to cloud services (Google Drive and Microsoft OneDrive), so I won't lose any of that stuff, but I absolutely (1) cannot brick my phone, and (2) I don't want to have to, in case something goes wrong, reinstall all my apps, sign into them again, change the settings to the way I like, etc.
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The root process itself does not wipe anything. But you have to unlock your bootloader first, and this will inevitably wipe everything on your phone including internal storage.
So any apps you have installed so far (and their settings) will be lost unless that app has some export settings feature. Nothing you can do about it now.
All the steps necessary for unlocking and rooting can be found at the link you posted. I followed the same guide and I'm good to go and had no problems.
Rooted or unrooted, an antivirus is optional and it's up to you if you want one. I personally don't use one.
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The root process itself does not wipe anything. But you have to unlock your bootloader first, and this will inevitably wipe everything on your phone including internal storage.
So any apps you have installed so far (and their settings) will be lost unless that app has some export settings feature. Nothing you can do about it now.
All the steps necessary for unlocking and rooting can be found at the link you posted. I followed the same guide and I'm good to go and had no problems.
Rooted or unrooted, an antivirus is optional and it's up to you if you want one. I personally don't use one.
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What is SafetyNet? Does it have anything to do with Google Play apps passing some sort of security test in order for them to function/open? How do I not lose access to some apps (like Android Pay is one of them that I have heard) that fail this SafetyNet test?
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What is SafetyNet? Does it have anything to do with Google Play apps passing some sort of security test in order for them to function/open? How do I not lose access to some apps (like Android Pay is one of them that I have heard) that fail this SafetyNet test?
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Yes, that's it. Pokémon GO and Mario Run are other two examples.
You can bypass it with Magisk, but it's never forever as SafetyNet gets updated and then you have to wait for Magisk to get updated. It's a never-ending cat and mouse game.
Ugh, that's an unbelievable pain in the ass... I don't get why people who root their phones have all these extra burdens. I want to root my phone really badly but with all these hurdles I honestly am not sure if it's worth it.
Are there any other apps I haven't mentioned or any other root benefits any of you guys can mention to persuade me in the direction of rooting?
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Ugh, that's an unbelievable pain in the ass... I don't get why people who root their phones have all these extra burdens. I want to root my phone really badly but with all these hurdles I honestly am not sure if it's worth it.
Are there any other apps I haven't mentioned or any other root benefits any of you guys can mention to persuade me in the direction of rooting?
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Simply being able to delete applications that I don't want got me into rooting. I cannot persuade, but if the SafetyNet thing is something that is going to hold you back because you use those applications then it's up to you. I know people that have rooted phones and manage with Magisk as a workaround, but yes it's a cat and mouse deal in the end. The ability to flash custom kernels and customize the UI (through substratum or custom ROM) is also a plus! ?
I think you should root only if you have time to learn about android OS, rooting your phone will grants you the full access for everything and you'll have full control in it... Then there are some apps or mods that requires rooted phone (substratum for theming is AMAZING) but here it's up to you... The question is, what you want to do with your phone? If you like/want to have complete control over it and a lot of feature then install a custom rom
God damnit I'd love to root but the more research I do into SafetyNet rooting just seems not even worth it if I have to keep losing access to apps I use...
The reasons I want to root basically boil down to me wanting to trash garbage apps I don't use and can't uninstall and to install cool apps that require root access.
SafetyNet is not important in my opinion.. I've used Android rooted with supersu (no SafetyNet) for years and I've never miss anything..
Is that app list I have above include useful apps, in your opinion? Are any of them redundant? Any other ones I shouldn't miss out on?
A few banking apps use safetynet. If it's vitallyimportant youhave a banking app working, keep in mind you can still access through internet, then this can be a deal breaker...
I think you're going to find most people here are pro root as this is a developers forum - so saying, it opens up a world of ease with which to do things that aren't available to most people and allows you to do things they can't, nerd cool factor high...
FamilyGuy0395 said:
God damnit I'd love to root but the more research I do into SafetyNet rooting just seems not even worth it if I have to keep losing access to apps I use...
The reasons I want to root basically boil down to me wanting to trash garbage apps I don't use and can't uninstall and to install cool apps that require root access.
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just youtube the process
FamilyGuy0395 said:
God damnit I'd love to root but the more research I do into SafetyNet rooting just seems not even worth it if I have to keep losing access to apps I use...
The reasons I want to root basically boil down to me wanting to trash garbage apps I don't use and can't uninstall and to install cool apps that require root access.
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In the past I used to always root but to me it's not worth it anymore. To me AP is incredibly convenient. Not willing to play cat and mouse with it. This phone doesn't really have bloat and tethering works flawlessly for
me. Tethering and AP are two of the most important features for me.
I wish to root my phone(XT1686) but intend to keep the stock ROM(no bootloader unlock).
Is there any advantage in doing so? And will OTA updates be affected?
yourSAS said:
I wish to root my phone(XT1686) but intend to keep the stock ROM(no bootloader unlock).
Is there any advantage in doing so? And will OTA updates be affected?
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It is not possible to root without unlocking the bootloader on this device...
If you don't have a specific reason to root, don't do it.
And once rooted, you cannot accept any OTA... most likely case if you do it will just fail, worst possible case it bricks (which can happen but is extremely rare).
To answer the question in your title, about the advantages of rooting...
Rooting gives you near full access to your device, and thus the ability to customize it beyond the options provided to you via the default interface. Also, some apps provide additional features on rooted phones. For example, some security programs recommend rooting your device so that it can more forcefully integrate itself with the device to protect against malware, hacking, etc. I tend to install a security package that works better on a rooted device, as well as make use of features that tend to only work on a rooted device, such as folder mounting from the internal SD card to the external one. Also, allows me to access system files that are unavailable otherwise, allowing me to customize certain sounds (or copy them at least).
If you decide you want to root your device, make sure you understand the steps to take BEFORE trying it. That means when you come across a guide on how to do it, make sure you get all the files that will be required and reading through the instructions step by step. If any of the steps sound like it will leave you lost on what to do, then DO NOT do any of it. Also, make sure you read the comments for the guide as well, looking for any mention of issues encountered and consider if you might encounter those issues as well. For example, if it causes issues for devices that use a particular carrier and you use that same carrier, you might want to leave well enough alone. Compare your phone version numbers with what others report having issues with (kernel, baseband, build, etc). Anything that someone has an issue with where their phone somehow matches up with yours in some way, take that as a sign to investigate deeper, so as to avoid having any issues yourself.
For the most part, unless you have a need or desire for a feature/function that requires rooting your device, don't mess with it. I'm not kidding, as one mistake can leave you without a working phone and without any options for returning/replacing it.
Thanks for the replies & warnings.
I'm not a noob so I know the risks of rooting. So maybe I should have rephrased it-
What are the advantages of rooting Moto G5 plus specifically?
Say like in terms of mods and other stuff? Also, is it possible to unroot once rooted- I mean to ask if it's possible to revert the state to factory mode with bootloader locked and stock ROM so that device will be eligible for OTA updates again?
yourSAS said:
Thanks for the replies & warnings.
I'm not a noob so I know the risks of rooting. So maybe I should have rephrased it-
What are the advantages of rooting Moto G5 plus specifically?
Say like in terms of mods and other stuff? Also, is it possible to unroot once rooted- I mean to ask if it's possible to revert the state to factory mode with bootloader locked and stock ROM so that device will be eligible for OTA updates again?
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Bootloader lock is not relevant to OTA's. You might be able to relock, but the fact it was once unlocked cannot be hidden, it will always be very clear that it was unlocked.
Unrooting is easy, the issue arises undoing what you did with root, undoing them all depends what you changed.
I don't know of any reasons specific to this device to root.
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Bootloader lock is not relevant to OTA's. You might be able to relock, but the fact it was once unlocked cannot be hidden, it will always be very clear that it was unlocked.
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If the OEM knows I've unlocked bootloader, why will it push OTAs to my phone even though I've locked bootloader on my end? So isn't bootloader lock status relevant for OTA?
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If the OEM knows I've unlocked bootloader, why will it push OTAs to my phone even though I've locked bootloader on my end? So isn't bootloader lock status relevant for OTA?
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No, the status of your bootloader is not relevant... Moto will notify you of an available update and happily attempt to apply it regardless if your bootloader is locked or not.
What matters is if the boot or system partitions is changed, if there is ANY change to those, among other things like if the radio version or recovery versions don't match or the partition table is changed, the update will fail. If you flash any custom recovery it will fail as well.
On this subject I mention a slight con which is that some banking or financial apps might complain to you if they detect root. I have maybe 10 different bank and credit apps installed and all work flawlessly except 1. The Huntington Bank app wont allow me to use fingerprint login but otherwise the app is fully functional like mobile deposits. Just wanted to mention to be aware.