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64 gig version of Moto X now available.

64 gig version of Moto X now available on motomaker for U.S. users.
check it out.
https://www.motorola.com/us/motomaker?pid=FLEXR1#interior/memory

gammite said:
64 gig version of Moto X now available on motomaker for U.S. users.
check it out.
https://www.motorola.com/us/motomaker?pid=FLEXR1#interior/memory
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I only see the 32GB option.
Edit: Now i get 64GB. Niiice!

Well that sucks, earlier I got in on the Moto X for a penny trial thing, would have been nice to have had this one as an option.

This should have been available from the beginning.

Excited to see this, but it jumps to 499 at checkout and there isn't a 64GB developer edition. It kinda gives me a reason to get a custom one I guess. I'm also under the impression that this means that X+1 is going to take longer to release than I thought or Motorola has a buttload of MotoX shells to get rid of still. I gotta see how much I can sell my Developer edition for and I guess I'll decide to either jump on this or wait for the next one.
Edit. I went back to see if they fixed the checkout and realized that it isn't an error. $449 is for republic wireless. I guess they are subsidizing it slightly.

The Moto design site starts out at $449 for the 64gig version, then the select carrier page bumps you up to $499 for the GSM Unlocked version. What's that about?

It's $50 cheaper for the Republic Wireless version. Same for the 32 and 16GB versions too. It's been that way from the beginning I believe.
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KJ said:
Just remember.... No root.
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From what I have read the T-Mobile version can be rooted just as easily as the GSM Dev Edition. Unlocking the bootloader on the T-Mobile phone voids the warranty, unlike on the GSM Dev Edition. Other carriers may have the X locked down more.

marvin02 said:
From what I have read the T-Mobile version can be rooted just as easily as the GSM Dev Edition. Unlocking the bootloader on the T-Mobile phone voids the warranty, unlike on the GSM Dev Edition. Other carriers may have the X locked down more.
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Motomakers are what these are...no? I was sure they can't be unlocked.
And definitely republic wireless can't be.

I'm waiting on the 64GB unlocked GSM version from the 2 week trial. The unlocked gsm is the same as the T-Mobile version and the bootloader can be unlocked.
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So, correct me if I'm wrong: the GSM unlocked version (which still made me choose the AT&T/T-Mobile option to get the unlocked version) can or can not be rooted? I know it can be bootloader unlocked, at least according the Motorola bootloader unlocking page (I chose the T-Mobile version there and it shows as bootloader unlockable).
I mean, it's entirely possible that these trial phones will have their specific IMEI numbers (if you ordered one for the 14 day trial) added to some other entirely different internal blacklist that won't let us unlock them for the trial period, that's my concern.
I fully intend to do everything possible with this phone when I get it - that's what a trial period is for, and when it's shipped back (if it doesn't live up to my expectations) they can easily just reset it in a few minutes time (bootloader locked, restored to factory state, even alter the IMEI and program it with an entirely new one if they want, it's their damned device).
As long as I know it can be rooted and then bootloader unlocked so I can play around with some ROMs, I'm cool with that and could decide to keep it. If not, then I'll just toy with it and send it back - again, it's just a penny so it's not like I'm breaking the bank or anything.

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So, correct me if I'm wrong: the GSM unlocked version (which still made me choose the AT&T/T-Mobile option to get the unlocked version) can or can not be rooted? I know it can be bootloader unlocked, at least according the Motorola bootloader unlocking page (I chose the T-Mobile version there and it shows as bootloader unlockable).
I mean, it's entirely possible that these trial phones will have their specific IMEI numbers (if you ordered one for the 14 day trial) added to some other entirely different internal blacklist that won't let us unlock them for the trial period, that's my concern.
I fully intend to do everything possible with this phone when I get it - that's what a trial period is for, and when it's shipped back (if it doesn't live up to my expectations) they can easily just reset it in a few minutes time (bootloader locked, restored to factory state, even alter the IMEI and program it with an entirely new one if they want, it's their damned device).
As long as I know it can be rooted and then bootloader unlocked so I can play around with some ROMs, I'm cool with that and could decide to keep it. If not, then I'll just toy with it and send it back - again, it's just a penny so it's not like I'm breaking the bank or anything.
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They could see you unlocked the bootloader and send it back to you and charge you. If unlocking voids warranty, which it does on anything that's not a dev edition, then it may affect returning it too.
A possibility anyway.

KJ said:
Motomakers are what these are...no? I was sure they can't be unlocked.
And definitely republic wireless can't be.
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It depends on the carrier.
Verizon and ATT moto makers can't be unlocked. You are right, Replublic Wireless can't be unlocked.
However, Sprint and the "GSM Unlocked (ships with T-Mobile SIM)" variants can be. Some other carriers can too.
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So, correct me if I'm wrong: the GSM unlocked version (which still made me choose the AT&T/T-Mobile option to get the unlocked version) can or can not be rooted? I know it can be bootloader unlocked, at least according the Motorola bootloader unlocking page (I chose the T-Mobile version there and it shows as bootloader unlockable).
I mean, it's entirely possible that these trial phones will have their specific IMEI numbers (if you ordered one for the 14 day trial) added to some other entirely different internal blacklist that won't let us unlock them for the trial period, that's my concern.
I fully intend to do everything possible with this phone when I get it - that's what a trial period is for, and when it's shipped back (if it doesn't live up to my expectations) they can easily just reset it in a few minutes time (bootloader locked, restored to factory state, even alter the IMEI and program it with an entirely new one if they want, it's their damned device).
As long as I know it can be rooted and then bootloader unlocked so I can play around with some ROMs, I'm cool with that and could decide to keep it. If not, then I'll just toy with it and send it back - again, it's just a penny so it's not like I'm breaking the bank or anything.
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If you do anything that voids the warranty while you are "trying it for $.01" they will likely refuse return.
If you are buying a Moto Maker X, unlocking its bootloader DOES void the warranty just by completing the action of requesting the code from Moto. You are submitting unique info to Moto about the phone you are unlocking, so expect they will know you have requested the unlock code.
And as for Moto can"easily" re-lock the bootloader, it depends on if its an eFuse or not. Using mFastboot, we can get the bootloader status to unlock and relock, not LOCK. If its an eFuse, moto likely can't set it back to lock without replacing components.

Can you get a developer edition for a penny? If so you do keep warranty for unlocking. I cannot verify whether or not they will accept the return, for that I would call Motorola and request confirmation in writing that they will accept the return even if you unlock the boot loader. If yes, get it, test it, if you like it send it back and order the Moto Maker one you want.

SymbioticGenius said:
Can you get a developer edition for a penny? If so you do keep warranty for unlocking. I cannot verify whether or not they will accept the return, for that I would call Motorola and request confirmation in writing that they will accept the return even if you unlock the boot loader. If yes, get it, test it, if you like it send it back and order the Moto Maker one you want.
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The "Try Then Buy" FAQ clearly stated that the regular non-Moto Maker version, the Moto Maker version, and the Dev Edition were all supposed to be available for that offer but I tried several times to get the Dev Edition and each time I punched in the promo code they sent me, it wouldn't apply the discount and the price remained $449 and change. After maybe 5 attempts, I decided to contact them using their "instant chat" support and the first time it said I was number 18 in the queue so I waited 14 minutes and when I got to being number 3 in the queue, it kicked me out and said their instant chat support was offline.
I waited a minute, reconnected to the chat support thing and it said I was number 27 with a wait time of 35 minutes so I said the hell with it and just ordered a Moto Maker edition, hence my question(s) above about rooting/unlocking.
For 14 days it's my phone, that's how the deal goes, so I'm going to use it as if it were my actual device, that's the only way I'm going to know if I want to actually keep it - I'll fire off an email to 'em when it arrives to clarify things, but if I do end up rooting it and unlocking the bootloader and then they refuse the return of the phone, well... guess I'll be getting it for free, who knows.

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The "Try Then Buy" FAQ clearly stated that the regular non-Moto Maker version, the Moto Maker version, and the Dev Edition were all supposed to be available for that offer but I tried several times to get the Dev Edition and each time I punched in the promo code they sent me, it wouldn't apply the discount and the price remained $449 and change. After maybe 5 attempts, I decided to contact them using their "instant chat" support and the first time it said I was number 18 in the queue so I waited 14 minutes and when I got to being number 3 in the queue, it kicked me out and said their instant chat support was offline.
I waited a minute, reconnected to the chat support thing and it said I was number 27 with a wait time of 35 minutes so I said the hell with it and just ordered a Moto Maker edition, hence my question(s) above about rooting/unlocking.
For 14 days it's my phone, that's how the deal goes, so I'm going to use it as if it were my actual device, that's the only way I'm going to know if I want to actually keep it - I'll fire off an email to 'em when it arrives to clarify things, but if I do end up rooting it and unlocking the bootloader and then they refuse the return of the phone, well... guess I'll be getting it for free, who knows.
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I'm sure they won't let you have it free. Lol
And yes, you will void the warranty.... And therefore probably void your chance to return it.
Remember.....us rooters are a very....very tiny fraction of their customers. They don't think of us when they make deals, or rules or promos.....most will try it, not change a single thing and keep it or return it. Then WE come along, void its warranty and try to return it. Nope....not happening. You own it now. Pay up. Or bye bye imei. And now you own a pretty paperweight.
And.....if moto is smart, which they seem to be, any device on this promo....no matter the carrier....won't be eligible to unlock on their site. Didn't think of that one....did we. I'm betting they won't be eligible to unlock on motos site, not until the deal is done and you keep it. ?
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Also....come on now....you don't NEED root to know if you like a device. Lol

Very valid points KJ. Sad thing is I've had root since day one and I barely use apps that require it anymore. With the recent updates and the ability to disable apps without TiBu my battery life is fine so the only thing I've used root for is kernel tweaks.
Try the phone, if you even remotely like it without root, you'll like it that much more with it.

SymbioticGenius said:
Very valid points KJ. Sad thing is I've had root since day one and I barely use apps that require it anymore. With the recent updates and the ability to disable apps without TiBu the only thing I've used root for is kernel tweaks.
Try the phone, if you even remotely like it without root, you'll like it that much more with it.
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I'd die without root. Lol. Luckily I research first and would never own a device I can't root.
Yeah, I don't get the attitude about its mine for 14 days. Its yours to TRY they are saying. Taking it apart physically or unlocking boot loaders and messing with the system is not something they will be happy about. They'll just laugh, send it back to you and say congrats on your new purchase. Lol.

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I'd die without root. Lol. Luckily I research first and would never own a device I can't root.
Yeah, I don't get the attitude about its mine for 14 days. Its yours to TRY they are saying. Taking it apart physically or unlocking boot loaders and messing with the system is not something they will be happy about. They'll just laugh, send it back to you and say congrats on your new purchase. Lol.
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I would never own a phone without an unlockable boot loader. Until the Nexus5 all my phones had CM and I bought my phones based on having a stable-ish build. I understand your point.
I think I should teach many of you in here something my father taught me as a kid.
If something isn't yours return it how you found it. If you break it, you replace it.
Otherwise known as "you break it, you bought it."

Verizon Moto G4 Play not Unlockable?

Hey guys , trying to unlock my Moto G4 Play but the the Moto site says my device is not eligible . However the OEM Unlock is turned on in settings? Any help would be appreciated, really want root.

Anyone? Please can't stand the bloat

Be patient. The XT1607 isn't even on the chart yet about what devices are eligible for unlock. It's the same model as the one sold unlocked by moto and Amazon, so I find it unlikely that it won't eventually get the unlock, but since it's only been out for 4 days now you need to chillax.
I plan to make a rom for cdma as soon as the unlock is possible, but it could be a few weeks/month.
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The Verizon model is the XT1609 from what I've read.
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The Verizon model is the XT1609 from what I've read.
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That's okay, it's still being sold direct from moto like the 1607 is as an unlocked cdma phone, so my statement *should* still apply. I think we're going to see a bootloader unlock very soon. Moto is just dragging their feet a little, I mean the stock restore images aren't even available yet for fixing a bricked phone.
As long as we're all patient, I really don't see this being one of the phones that doesn't get an unlock. It's in their best interest at this price point as an unlocked bootloader means some inexperienced users will brick them and since their bootloader is unlocked the warranty is void, which means they'll likely buy another to replace it because, let's face it: what other options are there for cdma, unlocked, under $200USD?
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I just got the phone today - the standard, no-ads edition (xt1607). I was able to unlock the bootloader, even though the G4 Play is not listed on the motorola website. Chances are the Verizon version is locked down.

After doing a little research, I found out that the XT1607 will work on all major American carriers including Verizon. The XT1609 looks to be a Verizon prepaid version of this phone.
https://opennetwork.verizonwireless...opment/devices-modules/devices/Judo_4739.html
http://www.droid-life.com/2016/09/06/moto-g4-play-deals-prime-exclusive/

mx597turbo said:
I just got the phone today - the standard, no-ads edition (xt1607). I was able to unlock the bootloader, even though the G4 Play is not listed on the motorola website. Chances are the Verizon version is locked down.
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How did you manage to unlock the bootloader? I set the OEM unlock toggle in developer settings, but when I copied the code from fastboot to the bootloader unlock site it said my XT1607 isn't eligible.
Maybe they just finally got around to adding it, so I'll try again
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texraid said:
After doing a little research, I found out that the XT1607 will work on all major American carriers including Verizon. The XT1609 looks to be a Verizon prepaid version of this phone.
https://opennetwork.verizonwireless...opment/devices-modules/devices/Judo_4739.html
http://www.droid-life.com/2016/09/06/moto-g4-play-deals-prime-exclusive/
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This is about bootloader unlocking to flash a custom recovery, root, and roms... Not carrier unlocking.
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How did you manage to unlock the bootloader? I set the OEM unlock toggle in developer settings, but when I copied the code from fastboot to the bootloader unlock site it said my XT1607 isn't eligible.
Maybe they just finally got around to adding it, so I'll try again
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Did you get the Amazon prime edition with ads? If so, the bootloader isn't unlockable. It was initially on the g4 and g4 plus, but they stopped allowing it back in July or August.
This is about bootloader unlocking to flash a custom recovery, root, and roms... Not carrier unlocking.
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Correct, but Verizon typically doesn't allow bootloader unlocking. A Verizon branded phone probably won't be unlockable.

mx597turbo said:
Did you get the Amazon prime edition with ads? If so, the bootloader isn't unlockable. It was initially on the g4 and g4 plus, but they stopped allowing it back in July or August.
Correct, but Verizon typically doesn't allow bootloader unlocking. A Verizon branded phone probably won't be unlockable.
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well that bull, $100.00 to the first guy who can get the XT1609 bootloader unlocked.

agentfusion said:
This is about bootloader unlocking to flash a custom recovery, root, and roms... Not carrier unlocking.
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No one said it was about carrier unlocking. I was just pointing out the difference between the model numbers.

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well that bull, $100.00 to the first guy who can get the XT1609 bootloader unlocked.
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Just sell the Verizon phone and pick up the no-ads version on Amazon for $150. Probably cheaper and faster :good:

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Just sell the Verizon phone and pick up the no-ads version on Amazon for $150. Probably cheaper and faster :good:
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I'd just contact moto and point out that their chart says the only g4 phones that can't unlock the bootloader are the Amazon prime exclusives, which the Verizon model is not. It certainly should be eligible.
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I got the phone today. I thought all Verizon phones were unlocked? I put in my at&t sim and it said to call Verizon in order to use the phone on a different network. Verizon had no clue why I was getting that message. Anyone know why I'm getting this message?
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No luck, I've tried for several days with no luck. I suppose the Verizon variant can't be bootloader unlocked

secandRRe said:
No luck, I've tried for several days with no luck. I suppose the Verizon variant can't be bootloader unlocked
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I returned it. I'll probably end up paying the extra $50 and get the unlocked version.
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vgs929 said:
I got the phone today. I thought all Verizon phones were unlocked? I put in my at&t sim and it said to call Verizon in order to use the phone on a different network. Verizon had no clue why I was getting that message. Anyone know why I'm getting this message?
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Kind of the wrong place for this question as this thread is about bootloader unlocking (for rooting), not carrier unlocking. I'm interested in any possible answer to this question too (seems like a half way decent budget smartphone to use on AT&T or Cricket) but from what I can gather, Verizon had a recent policy change which prohibits carrier unlocking until one year of ownership has passed. Maybe there is a workaround other than ebay (doesn't seem to be unlock codes for this phone there). Maybe you can try starting a new thread titled something like "Carrier Unlocking For Verizon Moto G4 Play" to get some more traction on this question. Good luck.
Edit: Didn't notice that you posted a couple of posts down saying that you got rid of it. Guess you could care less about unlocking it.

agentfusion said:
I'd just contact moto and point out that their chart says the only g4 phones that can't unlock the bootloader are the Amazon prime exclusives, which the Verizon model is not. It certainly should be eligible.
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Verizon does not allow bootloader unlocking of their Moto phones.
(The exception being the first Moto X, but it was only sold as a development edition)
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Kind of the wrong place for this question as this thread is about bootloader unlocking (for rooting), not carrier unlocking. I'm interested in any possible answer to this question too (seems like a half way decent budget smartphone to use on AT&T or Cricket) but from what I can gather, Verizon had a recent policy change which prohibits carrier unlocking until one year of ownership has passed. Maybe there is a workaround other than ebay (doesn't seem to be unlock codes for this phone there). Maybe you can try starting a new thread titled something like "Carrier Unlocking For Verizon Moto G4 Play" to get some more traction on this question. Good luck.
Edit: Didn't notice that you posted a couple of posts down saying that you got rid of it. Guess you could care less about unlocking it.
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Verizon devices are not SIM locked, but the Verizon G4 Play is lacking GSM/HSPA.

xtermmin said:
Verizon does not allow bootloader unlocking of their Moto phones.
(The exception being the first Moto X, but it was only sold as a development edition)
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Verizon devices are not SIM locked, but the Verizon G4 Play is lacking GSM/HSPA.
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I would imagine that all the G4 Plays are the same (hardware wise) and the GSM would be a software thing. I'm just making an assumption based on previous models, but it wouldn't matter much anyway if Moto/Verizon didn't allow anyway around it. Maybe someday someone will unlock one of these and we can test it out. Just a little curious.

HI
I have my xt1607 bricked, even no solution? Thank you

Unable to Unlock Bootloader?

So, I bought my Moto G4 off eBay for $100 (link). The seller says that the phones are store surplus units. I tried unlocking the bootloader on Motorolas website.But I got an error saying that my device does not qualify for bootloader unlocking. What gives? It's running 6.0.1. Is there a way to bypass this? Thanks!

By any chance did your phone prompt you to login to Amazon at setup? If so, then as far as I know, you won't be able to unlock it since moto has since stopped offering the oem unlock key for Amazon subsided devices.

zonggestsu said:
By any chance did your phone prompt you to login to Amazon at setup? If so, then as far as I know, you won't be able to unlock it since moto has since stopped offering the oem unlock key for Amazon subsided devices.
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Nope. Was running the retail software channel.

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Nope. Was running the retail software channel.
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Looks like you will have to call or contact Moto Directly to get an answer, cause if it was originally on the retail channel, there is no reason to deny you the ability to unlock your phone.

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Looks like you will have to call or contact Moto Directly to get an answer, cause if it was originally on the retail channel, there is no reason to deny you the ability to unlock your phone.
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I called them and they had no clue what the bootloader was.

New unlocked E4: root before or after activation & system updates?

I'm thinking of picking up an unlocked Moto E4 from Amazon (I'm pretty sure it's the XT1768 Qualcomm variant) to use with a Verizon MVNO. Should I root it right away, or wait until after I get it activated and it does whatever system updates it wants to do to itself?
Thanks for any info.

acspdx said:
I'm thinking of picking up an unlocked Moto E4 from Amazon (I'm pretty sure it's the XT1768 Qualcomm variant) to use with a Verizon MVNO. Should I root it right away, or wait until after I get it activated and it does whatever system updates it wants to do to itself?
Thanks for any info.
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Latter. Be aware Amazon branded varients have a history of being difficult to root and/or bootloader unlock regardless of carrier. I'd lean towards a fully unlocked/unbranded X1768 direct from Lenovo or an independent retailer.

Davey126 said:
Latter. Be aware Amazon branded varients have a history of being difficult to root and/or bootloader unlock regardless of carrier. I'd lean towards a fully unlocked/unbranded X1768 direct from Lenovo or an independent retailer.
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I don't think it's Amazon "branded," just sold by them. The phone in question is item B06ZZVZKTR on Amazon.
(But it looks like B077Y79RBY is an Amazon branded version; I'll avoid that one.)

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I don't think it's Amazon "branded," just sold by them. The phone in question is item B06ZZVZKTR on Amazon.
(But it looks like B077Y79RBY is an Amazon branded version; I'll avoid that one.)
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Agreed - that's the pup you want. Might consider one of the Amazon Warehouse offerings which are generally unused returns or suffer from a minor cosmetic flaw. Lenovo has discontinued this model; probably won't be available for long.

I got an unlocked Moto E4 XT1768 from an independent retailer and rooted it using magisk and carrefully following these instructions. https://youtu.be/Pjd74W9IqHU However, I'm not happy with it as for some reason I cannot move apps to the SD card without formatting it as an internal and was not aware it would hang on startup with an N/A message. There are other irritating issues.

WXSky said:
I got an unlocked Moto E4 XT1768 from an independent retailer and rooted it using magisk and carrefully following these instructions.
However, I'm not happy with it as for some reason I cannot move apps to the SD card without formatting it as an internal and was not aware it would hang on startup with an N/A message. There are other irritating issues.
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B&H Pixel 4 unlocked bootloader?

It says unlocked for CARRIER, but you think it will be unlockable bootloader too, like the one from Google?
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1507485-REG/google_ga01184_us_pixel_4_xl_128gb.html
Comes with $100 gift card + 3 months free Mint + no tax in many states, so there is some reason to get it from here instead. Anyone have experience buying carrier-unlocked Pixels from B&H before, if they had unlockable bootloaders?

itiskonrad said:
It says unlocked for CARRIER, but you think it will be unlockable bootloader too, like the one from Google?
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1507485-REG/google_ga01184_us_pixel_4_xl_128gb.html
Comes with $100 gift card + 3 months free Mint + no tax in many states, so there is some reason to get it from here instead. Anyone have experience buying carrier-unlocked Pixels from B&H before, if they had unlockable bootloaders?
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As I know all devices should be bootloader unlocked, so you can choose any device, it just doesn't matter, so go for you choice.

riyan65 said:
As I know all devices should be bootloader unlocked, so you can choose any device, it just doesn't matter, so go for you choice.
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That wasn't the case with the Pixel 3 at launch, though. Back then, to get unlockable bootloader, you had to order from Google directly. Is it different now?

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That wasn't the case with the Pixel 3 at launch, though. Back then, to get unlockable bootloader, you had to order from Google directly. Is it different now?
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After the release of pixel 3a it should be unlockable to all devices, like verizon, best-buy,......, So it should be unlockable.

riyan65 said:
As I know all devices should be bootloader unlocked, so you can choose any device, it just doesn't matter, so go for you choice.
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riyan65 said:
After the release of pixel 3a it should be unlockable to all devices, like verizon, best-buy,......, So it should be unlockable.
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The OP is asking about bootloader unlock (developer and root friendly). Everything you've said screams carrier unlock.
The bootloader is the low level piece of software on your device that loads the OS (Android) and everything else. It comes locked on every device for security and prevents unauthorized OS code from loading. This is completely separate from being carrier unlocked which allows you to use the device on any cellular carrier. Being able to unlock it and load any OS code has meant purchasing the device directly from Google in the past. Verizon devices for example never allowed the bootloader to be unlocked.
For the OP, since very few people understand the difference between those two things (even Google support), it will likely be a case where people will need to buy the device from B&H to find out.

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The OP is asking about bootloader unlock (developer and root friendly). Everything you've said screams carrier unlock.
The bootloader is the low level piece of software on your device that loads the OS (Android) and everything else. It comes locked on every device for security and prevents unauthorized OS code from loading. This is completely separate from being carrier unlocked which allows you to use the device on any cellular carrier. Being able to unlock it and load any OS code has meant purchasing the device directly from Google in the past. Verizon devices for example never allowed the bootloader to be unlocked.
For the OP, since very few people understand the difference between those two things (even Google support), it will likely be a case where people will need to buy the device from B&H to find out.
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If you search a little bit, you will able to unlock bootloader in verizon model too, verizon bootloader unlock is available for all pixel device and it going to be continued, so buying the device from Google is bootloader unlock for sure, buying from others buyers is just need a little time to get unlock the bootloader.
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l7777 said:
The OP is asking about bootloader unlock (developer and root friendly). Everything you've said screams carrier unlock.
The bootloader is the low level piece of software on your device that loads the OS (Android) and everything else. It comes locked on every device for security and prevents unauthorized OS code from loading. This is completely separate from being carrier unlocked which allows you to use the device on any cellular carrier. Being able to unlock it and load any OS code has meant purchasing the device directly from Google in the past. Verizon devices for example never allowed the bootloader to be unlocked.
For the OP, since very few people understand the difference between those two things (even Google support), it will likely be a case where people will need to buy the device from B&H to find out.
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If you search a little bit, you will able to unlock bootloader in verizon model too, verizon bootloader unlock is available for all pixel device and it going to be continued, so buying the device from Google is bootloader unlock for sure, buying from others buyers is just need a little time to get unlock the bootloader.
And I also mean bootloader unlock not carrier unlock.

riyan65 said:
If you search a little bit, you will able to unlock bootloader in verizon model too, verizon bootloader unlock is available for all pixel device and it going to be continued, so buying the device from Google is bootloader unlock for sure, buying from others buyers is just need a little time to get unlock the bootloader.
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If you search a little bit, you will able to unlock bootloader in verizon model too, verizon bootloader unlock is available for all pixel device and it going to be continued, so buying the device from Google is bootloader unlock for sure, buying from others buyers is just need a little time to get unlock the bootloader.
And I also mean bootloader unlock not carrier unlock.
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Verizon Pixel 3 XL still has a locked bootloader and is still not unlockable:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-3-xl/how-to/bounty-unlock-bootloader-vzw-pixel-3-xl-t3856605

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If you search a little bit, you will able to unlock bootloader in verizon model too, verizon bootloader unlock is available for all pixel device ...
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Since you're so sure this is true, please go help all of the Verizon device owners who post looking to unlock the bootloader. You could start with this recent Pixel 3XL post.
Of course, there is also the history that dates back to at least Nexus 6 days where the Verizon bootloader is locked.
Where people have really gotten bitten, is replacement devices that have come back after repairs with a unlockable bootloader like the Verizon devices have.

ktmom said:
Since you're so sure this is true, please go help all of the Verizon device owners who post looking to unlock the bootloader. You could start with this recent Pixel 3XL post.
Of course, there is also the history that dates back to at least Nexus 6 days where the Verizon bootloader is locked.
Where people have really gotten bitten, is replacement devices that have come back after repairs with a unlockable bootloader like the Verizon devices have.
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This. Verizon Pixel 2 official and any RMA Pixel 2 is not bootloader unlockable. As someone who has been through 4 until Google finally sent me a brand new Google-made Pixel 2, non Verizon, non RMA.
I haven't seen any reason to say Pixel 4 Verizon is easily unlockable.

riyan65 said:
If you search a little bit, you will able to unlock bootloader in verizon model too, verizon bootloader unlock is available for all pixel device and it going to be continued, so buying the device from Google is bootloader unlock for sure, buying from others buyers is just need a little time to get unlock the bootloader.
And I also mean bootloader unlock not carrier unlock.
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You have clearly never tried to bootloader unlock a Verizon device or you have some significantly different tools to do so and should share them with the community.
As others have pointed out, plenty of devices across the Pixel generations remain bootloader locked to this day. There are certainly smatterings of success stories with specific firmware versions but these are quickly patched.

There was recently some people that were able to unlock their Verizon Pixel 3a/XL modes after getting Verizon to carrier unlock them. But it has been attributed to a batch of MEID# that were likely incorrectly made available to bootloader unlock. Those people basically won the lottery. It certainly does not signal a change in Verizon's policy.
The best strategy is to have this mentality - if you buy a phone from Verizon (or any Verizon model phone) plan on it being permanently bootloader locked.

l7777 said:
You have clearly never tried to bootloader unlock a Verizon device or you have some significantly different tools to do so and should share them with the community.
As others have pointed out, plenty of devices across the Pixel generations remain bootloader locked to this day. There are certainly smatterings of success stories with specific firmware versions but these are quickly patched.
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I just unlock the bootloader as the given guide and it got unlocked, I didn't done anything to get it unlocked, I just use the guide how to unlock the bootloader and it got unlocked.so I thought it is available for all devices to unlock the bootloader.

riyan65 said:
I just unlock the bootloader as the given guide and it got unlocked, I didn't done anything to get it unlocked, I just use the guide how to unlock the bootloader and it got unlocked.so I thought it is available for all devices to unlock the bootloader.
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On non carrier specific devices, it's easy. On Verizon Google devices, it's rarely possible, and any vulnerability that's found is patched fast.
An authoritative statement like your post was is a problem. It has the potential to confuse the issue for people who come here for information, find an erroneous post and think they can safely buy a carrier device, still getting the bootloader unlocked.

Verizon was always a **** regarding unlocking bootloaders, they still haven't changed unfortunately.

thesebastian said:
Verizon was always a **** regarding unlocking bootloaders, they still haven't changed unfortunately.
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Yes. One does have to wonder what the bootloader unlock situation will look like now that the Pixel will be available from all carriers directly rather than just Verizon. Google still only lists Verizon as the only carrier specific option on their store. We will likely have to wait and see if the other carriers get unlockable bootloaders or not.