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[Q] Question about phone backup

Hi, i am very new here and ilack some of the basic info. so i have couples of questions. thanks very much for your answers.
1. what is the internal memory of the htc hd2? and when you partition your sd to fat32 and ext3, will the internal memory be the sum of the ext3 and the phone internal storage?
2. when you want to flash your hd2 with a new rom. do you need to format both partitions of your sd card (fat32 and ext3)
3. when i tried the latest ultimate droid rom, i saw the author posted the rom and another thing called the layout (3.0.2.4_magldr_150M_partitionLayout_30M_cache). what does this do?
4. how do you make the phone to move or install apps in the ext3. and how do you back up those data and apps in the ext3?
and again, thanks guys for helping me out.

1 internal memory, do you mean what's available after a flash? 260 Meg or so with the small cm7 roms (typhoon for example)
No, the internal memory wont show the sum of internal plus ext BUT it will work as if it is. Say you install a 20meg program, internal mem goes down 20 but back up 20 after a restart.
2 no, when you perform the wipes through cwm it takes care of the ext partition and the .android folder on the fat32 for you.
Some apps may put data on the fat32, in which case you can delete those if you want or if you have isues.
3 the layout (clockworkmod, or cwm) sets up the various partitions on your nand (internal) memory, boot, system,cache,data. Without the layout there would be nowhere for the rom to flash into.
The main point of interest in cwm is the system partition size, big roms need big system partitions, sense roms for ex. need 250meg or more, typhoon needs 130. Flash a big rom to small layout fails, small rom on big layout wasted space.
4 you don't, if the rom says ap2sd enabled or words to that effect, it does it automatically. You can test this by loading up some apps then browsing the SD card on a Linux PC
When you run backups and such, it just does it, the phone has no idea that some of the info is on the SD, it treats it as internal.

samsamuel said:
Say you install a 20meg program, internal mem goes down 20 but back up 20 after a restart.
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i dont understand why is that? so if the rom is apps2sd supported, it will automatically install apps to ext3. then it makes sense to me that the mem goes down, but then why it goes back up???

Example, 250meg internal plus 1gig ext partition.
internal memory shows as 250meg,, install 20 Meg app which goes to ext partition BUT the system displays internal mem as 230, , you reboot the phone and check again and internal memory shows as 250 again.

oh, thanks alot, i get it. but which backup solution is the best? and how does backup using clockworldmod work? does it make a backup file to sd card?

ljaypham said:
oh, thanks alot, i get it. but which backup solution is the best? and how does backup using clockworldmod work? does it make a backup file to sd card?
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Hi,
It depends what you want to back up.CWM backup will take a snapshot of your entire ROM system,data,settings,everything.A bit like a ghost image of a drive on your PC.
This way, if you install a new ROM and there is a problem,or you don't like it,you can RESTORE your original ROM and everything is back the way it was before.
CWM backup saves to the sd card.
If you just want to backup data,use something like Titanium Backup.

Phone storage memory with Android 2.2

Hi guys
I have recently installed android 2.2 on my hd2. I am absolutely loving it.
The problem I have though is that it seems to take quite a lot of memory up in my phone storage memory. I cannot move maps, Facebook etc to the storage card. What can you recommend I do? I have about 20mb of memory free on the phone. The other problem I have is that when I link my phone to my laptop I can only see the storage card and not the phone memory?
Any help would be very much appreciated.
thanks.

Well to your first question, there is always the option to do Apps2sd, most roms come with a TMOUS version and a EUR version. The latter usually is set up to move the data partition to the sdcard (usually set to 512mb-1024mb depending on what you prefer). I would suggest partitioning your card, re-flashing the rom you are using and then you should be golden.
Now as to browsing memory contents, you will only ever be able to see your sdcard. Android's file system is not viewable by a PC as far as I am aware, you can always use adb but that doesn't give you a full browsing experience.
You can always download a file explorer that gives root access, Root Explorer is my personal fave. This will let you browse your internal memory.

Its no good just saying "Android 2.2", that doesnt mean anything. When asking for help you need to give relevant info like which specific rom you are using.
For example if you have a EU HD2 which im guessing you do then 99% of EU roms will come with a option to use sd-ext which is a partition on your sd card. This partition will be used for all apps/app data etc instead of you nand.
Partition yoru card using CWR>Advanced. Set partition to 1GB and swap to 0mb, wipe data/factory reset, wipe caches and then flash rom again.

Sorry, its the DFT LEO Nand Rom.
thanks for your advice guys, I will that out.

[Q] Where is my memory going ?

I've xcd35 also known as zte blade. I've not installed many applications, still I see only around 25MB free space in my phone memory
What can be the reason for this ?

Have you taken a lot of photos or videos possibly and are those not being saved on the SD card?

Yes, i did took many photos but they are on my sd card.
Still I don't know where did the space go.. can anyone help me in getting back my space ?

Maybe you should install some app such as file manager from market (I can't provide a link, search "file manager", it's the first result by rhythm software). Then go ahead and select "Storage analysis" after clicking menu. It'll do a complete scan of your phone+SD-card and then shows you the biggest space hoarders.

I installed file manager and it says following,
device total memory: 162.5 M
device free memory : 24.57M
sd total memory: 1.86M
sd free memory: 1.15M
Also, it gives the biggest space holders, but all those are in my sd (like one app tak 570+ MB and my documents take 33M, both are in my sd).
the list all space holders includes the folders in sd card only.. How do I see status of internal memory ?

shek007 said:
I installed file manager and it says following,
device total memory: 162.5 M
device free memory : 24.57M
sd total memory: 1.86M
sd free memory: 1.15M
Also, it gives the biggest space holders, but all those are in my sd (like one app tak 570+ MB and my documents take 33M, both are in my sd).
the list all space holders includes the folders in sd card only.. How do I see status of internal memory ?
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Open CWM clear cache partition and then advanced clear dalvik cache and reboot it should clear your memory u must be surfing a lot on stock browser if even this didn't solve your problem reset your phone

What is cwm ? And where can I find it ?
Also, what is dalvik cache and how do I clear it ?

shek007 said:
What is cwm ? And where can I find it ?
Also, what is dalvik cache and how do I clear it ?
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clockworkmod rest is mentioned in the above post

shek007 said:
I installed file manager and it says following,
device total memory: 162.5 M
device free memory : 24.57M
sd total memory: 1.86M
sd free memory: 1.15M
Also, it gives the biggest space holders, but all those are in my sd (like one app tak 570+ MB and my documents take 33M, both are in my sd).
the list all space holders includes the folders in sd card only.. How do I see status of internal memory ?
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The 162.5MB is the total internal memory available for your apps and their data. The 24.57MB is how much of that is free at the moment. When you move an app to the sdcard, some of it is left behind on the internal memory, so you can't get rid of all of it. You can increase the amount of internal memory available by creating an ext partition on your sdcard (though it looks like you only have a 2GB sdcard, so you wouldn't have much space left for music etc. on it) and then using something like darktremor a2sd to move your apps to the new ext partition. This works differently from the normal move to sdcard as it allows you to move the whole app so frees more space.
The other option is repartitioning the internal memory. This means you take some of the space from where the rom is installed, and add it to the data partition so you can make use of it. For this to work well you need to use/be using a custom rom as the stock ones wont fit in the reduced space.
saaransh9 said:
Open CWM clear cache partition and then advanced clear dalvik cache and reboot it should clear your memory u must be surfing a lot on stock browser if even this didn't solve your problem reset your phone
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This isn't really a long term solution. The dalvik cache is needed by the phone, so wiping it will only temporarily give you more space until the phone rebuilds it all once you use your apps again. The cache partition is separate from the data partition, so wiping that would make no difference to how much space you have available.

shek007 said:
What is cwm ? And where can I find it ?
Also, what is dalvik cache and how do I clear it ?
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Which ROM you are working on? It seems like you have stock ROM as you are unaware of CWM. If you are using stock rom, you need to switch to any custom rom to flash darktremor a2sd so that you can partition you sd card and install applications on them. You can get complete tutorial on installing CWM and custom rom from cyanogenmod website. You can uninstall bloatwares if there any to free your phone memory.

Amphoras said:
The 162.5MB is the total internal memory available for your apps and their data. The 24.57MB is how much of that is free at the moment. When you move an app to the sdcard, some of it is left behind on the internal memory, so you can't get rid of all of it. You can increase the amount of internal memory available by creating an ext partition on your sdcard (though it looks like you only have a 2GB sdcard, so you wouldn't have much space left for music etc. on it) and then using something like darktremor a2sd to move your apps to the new ext partition. This works differently from the normal move to sdcard as it allows you to move the whole app so frees more space.
The other option is repartitioning the internal memory. This means you take some of the space from where the rom is installed, and add it to the data partition so you can make use of it. For this to work well you need to use/be using a custom rom as the stock ones wont fit in the reduced space.
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I can change my sd card to 16 or 32 GB .
That is not a problem..
Now, can you please tell me how do I do external partitioning ?
or how do I do repartitioning of internal memory?
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Which ROM you are working on? It seems like you have stock ROM as you are unaware of CWM. If you are using stock rom, you need to switch to any custom rom to flash darktremor a2sd so that you can partition you sd card and install applications on them. You can get complete tutorial on installing CWM and custom rom from cyanogenmod website. You can uninstall bloatwares if there any to free your phone memory.
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I'm using dafult one I guess.. As I never install any rom before..

shek007 said:
I can change my sd card to 16 or 32 GB .
That is not a problem..
Now, can you please tell me how do I do external partitioning ?
or how do I do repartitioning of internal memory?
I'm using dafult one I guess.. As I never install any rom before..
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You need to root and install a custom rom to partition both internal as well as external memory efficiently. You can flash darktremor a2sd script that allows you to install apps on partitioned sd card to your rooted stock rom but it won't work (didn't work for me).
Almost all the custom rom come with darktremor a2sd pre-installed on it. So it is advised to switch to any custom rom. But beware, both rooting and installing custom rom will void your warranty. Once you install a custom rom, i'm sure you will love it.
You can find guide on partitioning internal memory on the following links
h**p://android.modaco.com/topic/339048-guide-flashing-firmware-to-bladelibra-via-windows/
and here
h**p://android.modaco.com/topic/337426-gen1gen2partition-layout-tool-windows-only/
But i personally won't recommend partitioning you internal memory as the following ICS rom uses the default like partition.
You can follow the following link below to root and flash cyanogenmod
h**p://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=ZTE_Blade
If you find rooting steps given in the guide difficult you can install z4root from following link and install it on your phone to root the phone easily.
h**p://www.4shared.com/file/TA3fZuTc/z4root_zte_blade_permanent_roo.html
Once you install cyanogenmod install "ROM MANAGER" from market and there you will find the option to partition your sd card.
Regards...

shek007 said:
I can change my sd card to 16 or 32 GB .
That is not a problem..
Now, can you please tell me how do I do external partitioning ?
or how do I do repartitioning of internal memory?
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You can partition the sdcard from ClockworkMod recovery, which you need to flash the custom rom or the darktremor scripts to make use of the ext partition. Some roms come with it pre-installed, others you have to flash it separately.
You can repartition the internal memory by TPT or Windows flasher. TPT is the easier and safer method. From your internal memory stats you posted earlier, it looks like you are stock Gen 2, but download the Mr Pigfish app from the market to check.
If it says you are Gen 1, then you can use one of wbaw's TPTs from his thread on here, or you can use them from my app. Once you use one of these, you will be converted to Gen 2 as well.
If you are Gen 2 already then you are most likely stock Gen 2 and will need to use the TPT's from my app (choosing the stock Gen 2 option when it starts), from the thread I made on here, or by using the Windows flasher.

Here's a tip that I just recently discovered.
Since apps that are flashed in your rom (like Market) cannot be deleted in a conventional sense, a duplicate of the app is created whenever they are updated. I found an app called apps2rom that moves the updated version to the rom, and deletes the old version.
I got a good 10mb from that.

[Q] [NativeSD]Increase space for apps

Hi guys,
First I want to thank you all, I get my HD2 few days ago with a so old and boring windows 6.5, and i had a lot of fun upgrading it to Android.
I successfully installed the CM9 nexus rom with the nativeSD option (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1437463), i'm very impressed by the smoothness of the rom.
I have a small issue with space available for apps, i only have 914Mo of "internal space", 815Mo are aleady used (i guess for the system), meaning i only have 99Mo remaining to install my apps. As i use a lot of them, even if i move most of them to SD card, it is a too small space left.
Do you know how i can increase my "internal space", as i use a 16Go SD i have no problem re-partitioning my sd card, i just don't unsderstand how to do it (with MAGLDR? with CWM? manually with my parition manager?).
thanks a lot in advance for your anwers,

cimourdain said:
I have a small issue with space available for apps, i only have 914Mo of "internal space", 815Mo are aleady used (i guess for the system),
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800+Mb?? that's HUGE that's not the system! system files take up usually 150 - 350mb depending on eth rom you flashed, nowhere near 800+
anyway, just backup your rom through recovery, and then use a partition manager via the pc, or the one in recovery, to make a bigger ext partition, say 2gb, and then restore your rom through recovery.

Yes 800MB is indeed a lot. IF you go to Settings->Storage which numbers do you see by Internal Storage?
If you backup your system, how big is the backup ZIP?
You can go through your file system with a tool like Root Explorer (paid) to find out where the big data of your system is. You have about 500MB too much.
Use MiniTool Partition Wizard Home Edition to partition your SD card. Make an EXT4 of about 2GB en default cluster size. The remaining part should be FAT32, 32k cluster size.

Thank you to both of you,
You were perfectly right about the fact that 800Mo+ is way to big. I opened my Ext4 partition with my Ubuntu, and "surprise", i found 2 folder remaining from previous (and failed) attempts of installing MIUI roms. After manually deleting those two, my internal storage went back to normal.
Thank you again for your help.

[Q] System memory

System memory is almost full and I only have about 1gb left of internal storage. I save almost everything on my external card. Can any one help me out?
RJ

Looks like you're running Safestrap. You cannot access the entire 32GB if you're on a ROM slot. You can max out the system and data partitions but I think they are limited to 4GB.

haza12d said:
Looks like you're running Safestrap. You cannot access the entire 32GB if you're on a ROM slot. You can max out the system and data partitions but I think they are limited to 4GB.
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I am running safestrap. I like being able to back up with ease but I don't think I like the memory loss. Any other options that I have?
RJ

you can restore your custom rom on the stock partition. That way you have access to all 32 gigabytes of memory. Make sure you do a backup of your stock rom before you do anything
Check out this thread for more info. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2521899