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WM7= Iphone wanna be? (Rumor)

Want to watch M$ show WM7 to the world?
All details about Microsoft Windows Mobile announcement at Mobile World Congress 2010 - revealed, including live broadcast
February 10, 2010.
Secrets? Who needs them? Here are all the details:
Information from our anonymous friend follows (note: we know this person, we just will not reveal who this person is, as it is our principle not to reveal sources). Note: this is not a rumor, this is pure information.
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Steve Ballmer's press conference during Mobile World Congress will be broadcast live on satellite TV (Eutelsat)
Timing: 1630-1645 UTC
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And streamed on the internet (on www.microsoft.com/news/windowsphone).
And eh. yes Windows Mobile 7 will be introduced with Zune, Xbox, Bing integration. Games, free navigation, music, new kernel, new UI. Development in Visual Studio (code) + WPF (UI). OS 6.X will continue to exist and will be free OS for developing markets. Microsoft will kick back hard against iPhone and Android. Three year too late, but still people will be surprised.
As im on my way there ill update on here if i here anythink
Flunkyou2
I just read on a web site (ppcgeeks) that wm7 could have these features This is a rumor
-At the Mobile World Congress event on February 15th, 2010, Windows Phone 7 will be unveilved, although at this time plans are only to unveil the user interface of the new platform . Specific indepth functionality of the device will most likely not be shown.
-The User Interface is based upon codename “METRO”. It will be very similar to the Zune HD User Interface with a complete revamp of the “Start” screen. The UI is “Very Clean”, “Soulful” and “Alive”
-Unfortunately there will be no Flash support at the get go as there was not enough time to implement these features.
-Windows Phone 7 will only support application installation through service based delivery. (i.e Marketplace). Application installation via storage card will not be possible.
- No Multi-Task support. Applications will “Pause” when in the background, however will support notifications via push notifications.
-Marketplace will now support “try before you buy” as well as an API
-No NETCF backwards compatibility. This means the original rumor of no backward compatibility for applications holds to be true. That being said, there are high hopes of porting the NetCF to the newer platform easily.
-Microsoft is confident that devices will be ready by September 2010
-Full Zune Integration
-Windows Mobile Device Center will no longer be used. Zune software to take over syncing via PC.
-OEM Interfaces will not be allowed to run on the device. Say goodbye to Sense UI / SPB Mobile Shell / Point UI / Infinity, etc, etc
-Full XBOX Gaming Integration (Gamer tag, achievements, friends, avatars, merchandising, etc)
-Full support for social networking
All i can say is "if this is true then bye bye WM7 hello andriod"
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Microsoft will drop much of the business side of WM in favor of the consumer side. The traditional business offerings like Office / Exchange functionality will of course still be supported, but the focus will be shifted to gaming and multimedia. The Xbox and Zune brands will be represented, the Zune player willl be included and it will be possible to wirelessly exchange data, multimedia, and games with the Xbox 360.
The first batch of phones that will be released will have pretty much the same chip specs, and HTC, Samsung, LG and SE will be the ones to deliver this first batch of phones. In this first batch (September 2010), the OEMs are apparently not allowed to make big changes, they all have to use the same interface.
This means, no custom UI like Sense, no Opera Mobile either. Instead the default WM UI will be used and a new PocketIE based on IE7, but with some functionality from IE8.
The second batch (end of 2010) will be allowed to have small changes, but likely only theme-based and addition of some custom application.
Only at the third batch (early 2011) will the OEMs be allowed to add their own interfaces, like Sense, Panels, TouchWiz and S-Class. (ouch that late)
The official announcements of the WM7 phones are not expected to occur more than a few weeks before actual release of the OS, [CF: so we probably won't see official (unleaked) specs and such before the end of July (based on the September release date)].
As hardware goes they say mostly the same as the chassis 1 specs. 1 Ghz+ CPU, Open GL ES 2.0, 800×480+, 3.5"+, 384mb+ (possibly 512+).
According to those we have seen the WM7 interface, it is nothing revolutionary. It should have standard multi-touch support and supports only capacitive. The interface is said to be a hybrid of iPhone / Android / Zune HD elements.
Apparently those that have used WM7 builds differ in opinion about the software. Some state it is much faster than for example the 3GS, while others mention apps are slow to start and experiencing ‘hickups’.
Apps-wise, old applications will in principle not be compatible with Windows Mobile 7, throwing away many thousands of apps that are currently available. It may be compatibility for old apps will be emulated, but this is not clear yet. How exactly this will work will likely be explained at MIX 2010 in March.
It certainly seems like only .NET apps will be supported [CF: ugh!], however it is not clear if the Compact Framework will be a part of that .NET support.

more rumors/info here.

.....indeed
flunkyou2 said:
"if this is true then bye bye wm7 hello andriod"
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Unfortunately if this is true. The only positive will be the zune lookalike and probably no more hangovers.
The rest looks just like Iphone. Not third parties applications without marketplace. I think WM6.6 will be more popular. And porbably Android. Steve Balmer did it again.

if it does turn out to be true, (paused in backgroud, service based app install etc) then i for one will be sticking to 6.5.x. Seems like too much of a copy of how apple works, and thats the very reason why i hate apple!

Sounds to me like WinMo 7 defeats the purpose of using WinMo all together. I too will stick with 6.5.x if this is the way things are going.

And all the profits from WM7 will go to Apple too
I am surprised that WM community falls so easily for the rumors spread by I WONDER WHO.

alexsql said:
I am surprised that WM community falls so easily for the rumors spread by I WONDER WHO.
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Serious, how does unsubstantiated speculation help anybody?

i really hope this is just nonsense speculation, because if its not, i will stick with WM6.5 on my HD2 for a long time. And when i need to buy a new phone it will be a Android one.

Lets hope the smart people here on xda will find ways around these things.

No way that this is real. It doesn't make any sense, it will be the last nail in WM coffin...
Maybe these (rumors) features are for the "Media WM7" version and the "Business WM7" version will be like WM6.5.x...

I can't really see them doing such a U turn on Windows.....but then again Microsoft copy the competition to crush them......that does sound familiar

Grow a brain, guys. This is WinMo's bread and butter for the upcoming generation and could very well be the nail in the coffin if MS fails. First of all, no multitasking? No flash? LOL. They've overcome that already with 6.1. People here will buy anything with RUMOR and SPECULATION slap onto it.

yes for now its just a rumor so lets hope ms doesnt become like apple otherwise hello android

lol..they did this for windows 7 also..

d3l1 said:
yes for now its just a rumor so lets hope ms doesnt become like apple otherwise hello android
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i'll be in the q right behind you ..

the rumour machine strikes again. WM7 could be anything. we just don't know anything about it yet.

gabbs said:
lol..they did this for windows 7 also..
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sorry for ot: no idea what you are talking about, win7 is nothing like osx

Yeah for french media to spread this rumor

This simply can't be true. Not even MS are that dumb.

Microsoft confirms no Windows Phone 7 for HD2, other upgrade details

Two days ago, Neowin entertained the posibility of the HTC HD2 getting a Windows Phone 7 Series upgrade. However, Microsoft has officially shot this down. Pocket-lint has received word from Microsoft's Oded Ran that there are no plans to upgrade the HD2. Not only that, but even devices made from here onward that meet WP7S requirements won't necessarily be upgraded either. However, all phones that come with WP7S loaded will be able to receive future OS upgrades.
"We've received many questions about the upgradability of HTC HD2 and we currently do not have plans to update the HTC HD2 to Windows Phone 7 Series... For Windows Phone 7 Series we are enforcing a strict set of hardware requirements to ensure a consistently great experience for end-users and developers... we cannot confirm that Windows Mobile 6.5 phones that satisfy those requirements will be upgradeable”
Ron, who is the head of consumer marketing, continued to stress the role Windows Mobile 6.5 (aka Starter Edition) as being an integral part of the Windows Mobile lineup. More WinMo 6.5 phones are expected to ship in the coming months.
"Windows Mobile 6.5 represents a significant part of the portfolio family that is Windows Phones. With over 50 phones available around the world today, it offers customers the freedom to choose from among the widest selection of device form factors and price points."
Source: http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-confirms-no-windows-phone-7-for-hd2-other-upgrade-details

Thanks, but did you not see my thread about this already 16 pages strong in this very forum???

Couldn't you just post this in one of the thousands threads we have in regards to this same topic?

Can a Mod close this please and request the information copied into an already substantial thread?
Thanks.

Windows 8.1 officially announced!

Good news! Not only did Microsoft officially announce windows 8.1, but they also announced the public preview will be coming on June 26! :laugh: Even better news, the preview is for not only Windows 8, but also windows RT! This sounds like an opportunity to make Windows RT able to run recompiled desktop apps without a jailbreak... Will they?
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/bloggingwindows/archive/2013/05/14/windows-keeps-getting-better.aspx

C-Lang said:
Good news! Not only did Microsoft officially announce windows 8.1, but they also announced the public preview will be coming on June 26! :laugh: Even better news, the preview is for not only Windows 8, but also windows RT! This sounds like an opportunity to make Windows RT able to run recompiled desktop apps without a jailbreak... Will they?
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/bloggingwindows/archive/2013/05/14/windows-keeps-getting-better.aspx
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also to add to this, it will be free for all people on windows 8

@C-Lang: We can definitely hope... but it could also be when they finally get around to patching the years-old kernel vulnerability that the "jailbreak" relies on. Microsoft spat in the faces of WP7 users multiple times over multiple causes, but homebrew in particular they tried hard to shut down. The Windows Client (desktop and now RT) and Windows Phone teams are different, to be sure, but the old WinMo teams were fine with homebrew so they may have been driven by a higher-up at the company. Let's face it, Microsoft has already been pretty hostile towards people who want to control their own hardware, or they would have provided a way to disable Secure Boot on RT (hey, we already paid for the OS!) or at least not locked out Testsigning and Debug boot modes...
I don't usually attack MS, and I hope dearly that you're more right than I am, but history is against it. WP7.0 was immature and rushed, but it was also reasonably hackable and rapidly developed an active homebrew community who added some features that the base OS lacked (and sorely needed). Then we watched as the first major WP7 update (Mango) delivered a major slap in the face to the whole homebrew community, knocking our progress back by months while implementing almost none of the features that homebrew had provided. Once Mango and its interop-lock were firmly in place, Microsoft finally permitted the ChevronWP7 Labs unlocker that had been promised so long ago - only to, surprise, kill it merely a few months later. I do not trust Microsoft to not try and revert Windows RT into a mere web-browsing-and-crappy-email-client OS (plus Skype) in a misguided effort to try and milk some more money out of forcing people to use the decidedly sub-optimal "Windows Store apps" for things that a desktop app can do so, so much better (or that a Metro app can't do at all)...
Time will tell, though. They have reversed really stupid decisions before, like the mandatory Flash whitelist.

Honestly, I think that if MS was going to patch the jailbreak then they would've done it by now. This would be a prime time for them to do it, though.
Time will tell, just over a month left. There've been leaked betas, though, right? We should check if the exploit is still present in those.

GoodDayToDie said:
@C-Lang: We can definitely hope... but it could also be when they finally get around to patching the years-old kernel vulnerability that the "jailbreak" relies on. Microsoft spat in the faces of WP7 users multiple times over multiple causes, but homebrew in particular they tried hard to shut down. The Windows Client (desktop and now RT) and Windows Phone teams are different, to be sure, but the old WinMo teams were fine with homebrew so they may have been driven by a higher-up at the company. Let's face it, Microsoft has already been pretty hostile towards people who want to control their own hardware, or they would have provided a way to disable Secure Boot on RT (hey, we already paid for the OS!) or at least not locked out Testsigning and Debug boot modes...
I don't usually attack MS, and I hope dearly that you're more right than I am, but history is against it. WP7.0 was immature and rushed, but it was also reasonably hackable and rapidly developed an active homebrew community who added some features that the base OS lacked (and sorely needed). Then we watched as the first major WP7 update (Mango) delivered a major slap in the face to the whole homebrew community, knocking our progress back by months while implementing almost none of the features that homebrew had provided. Once Mango and its interop-lock were firmly in place, Microsoft finally permitted the ChevronWP7 Labs unlocker that had been promised so long ago - only to, surprise, kill it merely a few months later. I do not trust Microsoft to not try and revert Windows RT into a mere web-browsing-and-crappy-email-client OS (plus Skype) in a misguided effort to try and milk some more money out of forcing people to use the decidedly sub-optimal "Windows Store apps" for things that a desktop app can do so, so much better (or that a Metro app can't do at all)...
Time will tell, though. They have reversed really stupid decisions before, like the mandatory Flash whitelist.
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Interesting... I've only had my Windows Phone (currently running 7.8) for a little while. We can only hope!
netham45 said:
Honestly, I think that if MS was going to patch the jailbreak then they would've done it by now. This would be a prime time for them to do it, though.
Time will tell, just over a month left. There've been leaked betas, though, right? We should check if the exploit is still present in those.
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Sort of... the x86 has leaked, but we don't have RT yet. I guess we'll see in a little more than a month!

I just hope that fix the driver for my TP Link receiver... I had to switch to Windows 7 because of that
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C-Lang said:
This sounds like an opportunity to make Windows RT able to run recompiled desktop apps without a jailbreak... Will they?
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dream on buddy

The Automatic Desktop Display Scaling is one of the more important changes I think..
http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/blue-automatic-desktop-display-scaling

Windows 8 and Windows phone 8

Hi some time ago when windows 8.1 was still called blue there were some rumours that Micro$oft will merge its two platforms. Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 would share she same Metro apps. This move should give M$ edge over Apple where you could have best of both worlds on single device. It seems now that this idea has been lost somewhere in 8.1 changelog.
So I was looking for revolution but it seems that we will receive just evolution. Oh and for most of the portals major change is the start button! Really?!

You seem to be suffering from some keyboard defect. I suggest you look into that. In the meantime, get back under your bridge.

Hi. Thank you for your reply. My post was to start a discussion about the features of new update and about lack of some expected ones (which maybe still will be announced).
And what was the purpose of your reply?

It was never said that wp8 and w8 would become one and the same. You have misunderstood. Some of the new windows runtime features are coming to windows phone and the services offered were to be merged, but the operating systems themselves were to remain seperate.

>Some of the new windows runtime features are coming to windows phone and the services offered were to be merged, but the operating systems themselves were to remain desperate.

that way I had to misunderstood this (would be a great idea thou). Sort of like universal apps shared between iphone and ipad) I seen few apps which are being announced as both windows 8 and windows phone 8 (check co-pilot or halo) which probably kept me in believing in this. Oh well we will see where windows 8 will evolve.

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that way I had to misunderstood this (would be a great idea thou). Sort of like universal apps shared between iphone and ipad) I seen few apps which are being announced as both windows 8 and windows phone 8 (check co-pilot or halo) which probably kept me in believing in this. Oh well we will see where windows 8 will evolve.
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iPhone and iPad share apps simply because they are the same operating system. The iPad is just a giant iPhone. its the same as how one android phone and another share apps, they are the same thing.
Windows phone and windows 8 are not.
The desperate thing I said above, may be true but autocorrect fail, wrote it from my nexus this morning.

Andrew_j said:
Hi. Thank you for your reply. My post was to start a discussion about the features of new update and about lack of some expected ones (which maybe still will be announced).
And what was the purpose of your reply?
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Purpose of his post is that you stop using that $ instead of S.
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Oh. I am sorry I didn't know that I hurt his / yours religious feelings.
Unless of course this gentleman refers to his home as "under the bridge" I read his post as simple attempt to offend.
In light of recent E3 news (xbox one- drm management, activation fees, price, Internet connection requirement to work, always-on camera pointing your face and listening all the time which you cannot just unplug) I thing that using $ instead of S is good way to comment the situation.
To end this pointless conversation - unless there there is a XDA rule which prohibits me to do so then please stop trolling and trying to offend other forum members.
Now coming back to 8.1 - is this correct what I understood from brief installation description that if you install this release you will have to reinstall all the programs if you would like to install final release?

"M$" and similar (and I'd apply this statement even to, for example, "$ony" which is a company I personally detest) is most commonly used as trolling behavior online. This is doubly true in a forum devoted to discussing Microsoft products. It's possible you had, and still have, a legit intention to create a meaningful discussion. However, it looked (and to an extent, still looks) like you're merely trying to stir up trouble.
I agree that the XbOne restrictions are nasty, but I have no intention of buying one, and this forum has nothing to do with that product.
The only hint I ever saw regarding merging the app models was a job posting about installing both XAP and APPX packages on the same platform. That's interesting, and does imply a merged app platform, but there's no guarantee it was even going to happen, much less when. To the best of my knowledge, Microsoft never officially said anything to the effect of "we will do this" although there's been rampant speculation since the Win8 beta days.

You are right. I has never been said officially thus my expectations and hopes to see any bits of confirmation during the press conference. When I haven seen any I asked the question here. Still must say I am looking forward this update (probably not for first public beta - if the rumours are true that you will have to reinstall all your applications).
Personally I believe that The Redmond company will need stronger impact to conquer more market right now windows 8 is getting the love it should receive as is being designed for touch but mostly is being use on non-touchscreen laptops and PC. Marked wasn't ready for this. So right approach would be IMO to get more tablet users on their side (look at the latest adverts windows 8 vs iPad). If 8" tablets market is good for win8 is another discussion thou.
But coming back to subject. Has this been confirm that win 8.1 final version cannot be I painless way installed on top of preview?
Cheers

In practice, it's pretty much always possible to do an in-place upgrade via tweaking a few files in the installer or a value in the registry. However, in-place upgrades are a bad enough idea even when they're supported; I really can't endorse doing it on your main system. I may well install the preview in a VM, though.

I think in this case I will rather wait for official final release. Hdd restrictions will not allow me to have more fun on vm. I am already running win8 on bootcamp so no more complications are required
Also partially as an answer to my initial question it has been announced that new halo game for win 8 and win phone 8 will not be a cross buy. These will be two independent apps so no one unified system for now at least.

Yeah, that's been the case for a number of games already. On the plus side, the games *can* still share data between platforms if you have it on boath, and you can earn achievemnts on both... which would matter more if I gave a damn about gamerscore (I've got like 3500, LOL) but some people really care.

Hi all. There is still light at the end of the tunnel (hope it's not a train
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/...indows-phone-teams-in-titanic-microsoft-rejig

Thoughts: The WP hacking scene after W10?

Hey Everyone!
I normally don't really like to do these type of threads but I'm genuinely curious what everyone thinks will happen to the WP hacking scene once Windows 10 hit and Windows Phone and "Big Windows" becomes one. We've had some pretty good success with Windows Phone 8 and 8.1, I'm looking foreword to see what happens post Windows 10.
Happy Hacking!

TheInterframe said:
Hey Everyone!
I normally don't really like to do these type of threads but I'm genuinely curious what everyone thinks will happen to the WP hacking scene once Windows 10 hit and Windows Phone and "Big Windows" becomes one. We've had some pretty good success with Windows Phone 8 and 8.1, I'm looking foreword to see what happens post Windows 10.
Happy Hacking!
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who knows. I never seen new WP10 build XD

It is interesting that there was no leak of phone version ;D
If someone want there is some xaps from me of nokia apps (like extras+info, screen control, audio control etc., everything unpacked )
Sorry for speed of download
and faster OneDrive:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=60A67CB739CC5A8!147787

Well I like my low end lumia 635 and the several hundred app's that I got deployed on it. So I for one will not take the plunge and update until I can do the same thing with win 10. I do however want to update but why if it's going to kill my enjoyment. And Then theres the big question will we be able to hack or mod this new os?.

I am pretty sure that hacking the Windows 10 Core will be way more interesting than hacking Windows Phones. Why? Because there is one unified core for Windows, Windows "Mobile" (RT / Phone), possibly the xbox and the IoT.

In most meaningful ways, that's already the case. There are significant differences between the version of NT on the phone and the one that powers a desktop PC, but most of them come down to making the phone's hardware requirements lower and not having any traditional full-trust user software. For example, it's already theoretically possible to use most Win8 exploits on WP8, but they usually aren't very practical because the exploit expects higher privileges than a WP8 can get, or aren't very effective because the level of privilege you gain is much lower than an equivalent action on a Windows PC would get you.
As for the hacking scene in general, a lot of it is going to come down to how locked down WP10 is. If Microsoft continues its recent trend of being aggressively anti-hacker even when that also means being anti-user (see, for example, the whole Windows RT fiasco) then WP10 could simply fail to garner much interest from the hacker crowd - we love a challenge, but at some point we lose interest in commercially supporting such a platform. On the other hand, if they continue making pro-user changes that also positively benefit hackers, such as allowing apps to be installed to the SD card, then WP10 could end up very interesting indeed! WP8.0 was a less-interesting hacking target than WP7.5, and 7.5 was less interesting than 7.0, but WP8.1 is arguably more interesting than 8.0; what we lost in the ability to do capability unlocks, we probably gained (and more) in the various SD card tricks.

Honestly speaking, I don't see WP becoming anywhere near as interesting as Android unless Microsoft AT LEAST allows sideloading without requiring a dev license.
The status quo means that ALL of the more interesting apps (that is, interesting to a power user) will never run on the platform, because Microsoft would never allow them to exist.
I likewise believe that Windows will continue to be a lackluster mobile platform. The problem is it will never garner decent word of mouth sales. A lot of people these days make their buying choices based on what their geek friend might tell them, and most geeks aren't going to be interested in a platform that is so rigid that you can't do a whole lot with it unless Microsoft had already thought of it and explicitly permitted it.
If they put a fee behind it, any fee at all, then they're permanently going to be relegated to being no more popular than having a BREW license was back in the feature phone days.