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I have MOJO for several months now, when i initially bought it, i showed it to all my friends, and bragged about the potential of this product.
After all this months, its just sad, the lack of support or competence of the manufacters to actually stand by their product.
Beeing a developer and an android enthusiast, it's just sad to see how poorly this hole process has been developed.
The console itself has several issues, the play store, for me is a huge deal breaker. You can't have a main selling point of the product (the full access to play store and tegra zone) when most of the products there, altought i can see them, are not compatible either with the console itself, or worse, the gamepad isn't recognized. Titles like Portal 2 and Half Life 2, made precisely for MOJO's hardware, and i cant play it.
You can't also ask regular users to Root their device after every update. Either support the non rooted version, or it has to be rooted by default.
I could be a regular user who just wants to play some vice city on my TV, don't know or care how to root. This isn't a developer edition!!
The OS itself has several issues, from the basic ones ( I CANT RESTART OR SHUTDOWN THE CONSOLE w/ unplugging it), no resolution settings. I have several audio lag issues when the console is left on for days. So even for media, i can't have XBMC running 100% there.I do have a Samsung Beam (very slow 1.0 dual core) with buggy OS and i have hours and hours of projecting XBMC media without ANY issues.
The support is next to nothing. I've installed the latest update from MadCatz, i was so happy with more google play support etc.. Turns out when i didn't want to create a OUYA account, now i have OUYA Framework crashing every 5 minutes. Just perfect.
The other main selling point was the gamepad, a solid, well construct Controller, with amazing gaming tecnology from madcatz.
Well, beside the construction, there's nothing else good about the gamepad. I have a bunch of tablets and phones, i have a really hard time connecting and staying connected with my Android 4.4.2 devices. I'm constantly losing my Connection with the gamepad, and the REconnection is just painfull, i have to restart the gameopad a few times before i can get it to work again.
Also most of the games with gamepad support doesn't recognize the CTRLR.. WTF, MadCatz team, even the simple part of getting in touch with game developers, didn't do their homework.
Mad Catz could however, try to compensate somehow, and make a decent Gamepad Mapper. Nothing on this been release, has been months.
If this was a review of the product i would give it 2/10. And the 2 is for the choice of using Nvidia's tegra 4, and thats the only good thing about this.
The lack of support of XDA's developers, given the potential of the device shown by nvidia's shield portable, is insane.
I no longer brag about this with my friends, i'm just ashamed and deceived to have spent 250 bucks on this. I'm buying Nvidia's shield tablet and try to forget Madcatz and my 250$
Thanks MadCatz.
Wish I could have disagreed with at least one of the points you raised but I can't. 2 out of 10/that's quite generous mad cats well an truely ****ed this one up and don't appear to give a flying %uck. As you pointed out endless potential totally wasted. If anyone from madcatz ever reads these kinda posts get in touch with cyanogenmod or any of the renound teams who know what their doing and give them the contract to build the software rather than wherever cowboys currently produce ur shabby android builds cause their update supports abismal what ever u payed em its way to much
I completely agree with the OP, I purchased two Madcatz Mojos when the only other box was an Ouya. I was drooling over the potential of the Tegra 4 processor. The biggest issue with this box is its software, even though it was promised we still don’t have 4.4 and for such powerful chip it doesn’t support DTS or Dolby Digital bypass. Like most of you I got sick of waiting and have purchased an Amazon Fire TV instead, I sold one of my madcatz mojo for $160 on craigslist and used that money in addition with the money from selling my nexus 7 to purchase an nvidia shield tablet. Now that’s a company that did it right. I am going to selling my last Madcatz Mojo by the end of this month once I finish some testing with my 4k TV.
Well guys you beat me to it, I thought it was about time to join & post my feelings on the MOJO I purchased in December upon UK release but OP has written an almost identical post to what I drafted. Mad Catz could have done so much with the console which offered so much potential but lack of support has killed it before its even got started.
I feel it wouldn't be so bad if we were all kept in the loop on progress to bring us a new OS, further Play Store compatibility, gamepad mapping etc, but not a word!
I have tried to convince myself the £220 purchase was worth it, but its very hard to justify it when you look at the Shield & the Shield tablet, my Ouya is used everyday & the MOJO sits gathering dust without the power cord connected!
I beg the Mad Catz team to read these posts & at least come back to us with something, I know they do come on here so use your voice guys & throw us something.
At present I'm sure they are sat laughing that they have our money so why should they care? Well this forum ranks high on Google & must be hurting potential sales & I certainly won't buy or recommend another Mad Catz product & thats from a household which owns every major console released & has a competition PC gamer living it.
Thanks Mad Catz
I'll add my voice to the chorus, since it looks like this thread has the potential to become one of the longest ones in the Mad Catz forum.
I was new to Android but after having a great experience customizing a Nexus phone (thanks to the XDA community!) I fell for the hype and bought a M.O.J.O once root became available. Was ok with the limited number of games because Mad Catz said they were working with developers blah, blah, blah The games that work, are interesting and don't require key mapping are very few. I think I have 3 installed and don't remember the last time I played one.
It's still attached to the tv, for Netflix, but with a different input device. For those of you outside the US, after installing Set DNS and using some of its default settings I can access US Netflix so that's a plus. It's good for roms too.
This device had so much potential but the company looks like it doesn't have a clue. What's worse is that they flat out lied to customers about the Kit Kat update. From day one they said that "they were working on it, it was coming soon. it was with Google waiting for approval, etc. etc." and those were all total lies. I can't give any more of my money to a company that treats its customers like that. The sad part is that they could have easily found someone to outsource the Kit Kat work to right here on XDA, but even their employees joined this community after the product was launched.
I encourage others to add their thoughts to this thread.
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Well guys you beat me to it, I thought it was about time to join & post my feelings on the MOJO I purchased in December upon UK release but OP has written an almost identical post to what I drafted. Mad Catz could have done so much with the console which offered so much potential but lack of support has killed it before its even got started.
I feel it wouldn't be so bad if we were all kept in the loop on progress to bring us a new OS, further Play Store compatibility, gamepad mapping etc, but not a word!
I have tried to convince myself the £220 purchase was worth it, but its very hard to justify it when you look at the Shield & the Shield tablet, my Ouya is used everyday & the MOJO sits gathering dust without the power cord connected!
I beg the Mad Catz team to read these posts & at least come back to us with something, I know they do come on here so use your voice guys & throw us something.
At present I'm sure they are sat laughing that they have our money so why should they care? Well this forum ranks high on Google & must be hurting potential sales & I certainly won't buy or recommend another Mad Catz product & thats from a household which owns every major console released & has a competition PC gamer living it.
Thanks Mad Catz
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The reason they don't answer this kind of posts, and the reason you don't get any feedback on the work being done by Madcatz on MOJO, it's because you wont like those answers. The few units sold probably just made them stop working on this.
Again, as a developer, i think i'de get fired if i delivered such a final product or software. Just amateur.
Anyone thinking about buying this, just dont, anyone who already bought it just say Thank's madcatz and cry a tear for their hard work.
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The reason they don't answer this kind of posts, and the reason you don't get any feedback on the work being done by Madcatz on MOJO, it's because you wont like those answers. The few units sold probably just made them stop working on this.
Again, as a developer, i think i'de get fired if i delivered such a final product or software. Just amateur.
Anyone thinking about buying this, just dont, anyone who already bought it just say Thank's madcatz and cry a tear for their hard work.
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You beat me to it again OP, however I would like to hear from MC themselves & have just invited Alex Verrey from MadCatz to join this thread with the following:
Dear Mr. Verry,
I do hope I find you in good health & apologise for this unconventional communication regarding a MadCatz product.
I am a supporter of MadCatz products & purchased the M.O.J.O in late 2013, a product which you handled the P.R for to great effect.
However myself & others have become disillusioned with Madcatz by the serious omissions in support & features this product needs & as such would like to invite yourself or any other MadCatz employee to join the recent topic on the XDA Developers Forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/mad-catz-mojo/general/im-t2852370
I think if you find the time to read through the aforementioned thread I need say little more & thank you in advance for any assistance you may offer to myself & the M.O.J.O community.
I agree the software support side of the mojo is disappointing, that's not to say it's not there at all.
It's hasn't even been a month since the last update! ie 4K TV, better google play & BT support.
Yes, it's two steps forward, one step back (now root doesn't fix google play), but Madcatz is a hardware company and still new to android and SW.. so I guess its to be expected... hmm.. but a year on and it's still the same :/
And going by the reactions here, to their detriment.. SW does need more support then HW and a OS needs a bit more..
The kernel code suggests that they don't have a dedicated Android person internally, which I think is a really huge mistake!
Android can be a great computer appliance when finished 100% and never changed, in MOJO's case, knowing it wasn't going to be finished 100% from the start, more attention should have been made.
One extra internal salary/contract and all this could have been avoided and our forums would have been like the shield's.. definitely underestimated Android! and in hindsight maybe a learning opportunity for them?
Yip, It's frustrating, to still have the dongle on USB3, not to mention no kitkat.
But, the mojo is still one the better android TV box HW wise out there and still relevant... I'm optimistic kitkat will come, hopefully sooner then later.
I think the potential is still there and it's the center piece of their gamesmart range which is still increasing, the StrikeM only released last week.
So they're not going to abandon it and I think there's still more support/improvements coming for it!
I'm guessing it's a balancing act with limited resources and growing the company in a competitive industry, so we'll see where it goes :/
I don't expect a reply here from Alex, @Mad Catz Rich etc, but I know they do read this.
I have received a reply from Alex Verrey & although it does not address our needs as such I am most appreciative of having got a response & now await for other Mad Catz employees to jump on here, the email reads as follows:
Thanks for the email. No need to apologise for reaching out, it’s good to hear from you, and if any forum members are feeling let down by Mad Catz, we certainly want to hear about it.
We have several Mad Catz staff members who already actively participate on the forums. All of these guys are probably better positioned than I to provide the answers you are looking for. I know M.O.J.O. well, but the guys in question are the lead product managers and marketers of M.O.J.O. and will be able to go into great detail for you and any others looking for assistance.
Apologies if I sound patronising, but were you aware that we have recently launched a new and free Firmware update for M.O.J.O.? The new update introduces nearly full Google Play accessibility without the need to root. In addition, the update introduces 4K (UHD) output compatibility and brings the entire catalogue of OUYA games to M.O.J.O. We have also been working with our friends at OnLive to introduce perfect compatibility with their cloud based gaming network.
We continue to work with developers and publishers to ensure full compatibility for major titles as well. Sadly, it is true that not every Android title available today is fully compatible with M.O.J.O. and our C.T.R.L.R but we’re sure working on it!
I’ll leave it to the other guys to jump on the thread and assist where possible. In the meantime, thanks for reaching out, we sincerely do care to hear your feedback and will strive to communicate more regularly in the future.
Regards
ALEX VERREY
I might be being really dumb, but is this referring to the MO0205-TS Firmware. Because for me this update did increase the controller support granted, however I don't really care to much about that a ps3 and Xbox controller has worked fine for me since 2009 and the Wii classic controller before that on android devices. The ctrlr controller support is a bonus but could live with out at this point as the OS needs to be much higher on the priority's list.
It did the total opposite of increasing compatibility to my google play account, I had quite a large selection of games and apps before, but after updating basically all the games and apps I played/used where no longer compatible. And even on apps I don't use or want, when looking through the play store I never used to see incompatible that much now, now its plastered all over it.
My main main issues are :
1: It freezes and crashes a lot, which creates other issues.
2: one of these my micro SD must have been formatted at least 30 times now and I can't be arsed using it n e more board of transferring data to it. (A 32 or 64gb mmc this can be time consuming) seems to occurs when the mojo crashes or is unplugged from the wall on my mojo.
3: Has not happened any where near as much maybe only a hand full of times but I've had multiple hard drives wiped (luckily i have back ups of everything,) and again when were talking close to full 1tb drives its frustrating and time consuming to transfer the data back.
4: seems a kick in the balls that their are the nvidia only games such as half life and portal. Which are not available on the mojo which ticks all the boxes for compatibility.
5: NO RECOVERY MENU ACCESS: seriously we can't back up our systems In case something goes drasiticly wrong, which with android is a serious possibility.
6: The mojo went to market mid December 2013 and I could be wrong has had only 3 maybe 4 updates which have only addressed minor issues. And don't say itl shortly receive a kitkat 4.4 update before you release to market then 9 MONTHS later still not out, doesn't fill me with confidence at all.
I Don't get why dev teams like cyanogen, kindroid, crash, omni, jackyaway and countless other on XDA I am not going to list are able to produce nightly updates for multiple android builds across multiple devices and tablets, including multiple custom tweeks and optimisations.
I assume you have employed a professional development team. The teams I listed above will have provided its users with more updates in 3/5 days than your professional team has provided us in 9 months of suffering through a devise which by no way feels like the competed article that's the gripe and what's grinding your current owners patience out.
7: Compatibility issues talked about above
8: Because of the issues with the SD card and HDD formatting its impossible to fit all the games u wish to use on the console. With some games and apps now in the couple of gig region even if full compatibility is unlocked i could not set up the console exactly how I would like with a lot missing.
Alot of the issues listed above should have been addressed along time ago
Hello All,
M.O.J.O. is a new and innovative product but for the most part the issues aren’t related to the hardware. C.T.R.L.R support in Android apps is new and it’s taken some time for developers to update their manifests to get device support for M.O.J.O. Anybody that’s using M.O.J.O. and doing regular firmware updates will attest that, while it’s not perfect, the universe of apps and games available today is pretty cool and getting better all the time. Of course, there are many other micro-consoles that are now available and may be simpler to use, but we’re not aware of one that has the depth of assortment and quality of games and apps that M.O.J.O. has today and we’re committed to continuing to expand the selection and improve the experience.
The evolving nature of the Android app universe means that compatibility has been a moving target but we are fully committed to universal app compatibility and developers want their apps on as many supporting devices as possible. We are continuously working with developers to implement Google’s directive to support game controllers in games (http://developer.android.com/training/game-controllers/controller-input.html ). Please let us know when you come across an app that has a problem and we'll get in touch with the developer. Please feel free to contact the developer directly as well.
The "not compatible" message is a result of the hardware support filtering in the Google Play Store and can be impacted by options selected by the developer when posting the app manifest to the store. Typically, it’s not because M.O.J.O. can’t run the app. For example, we recently had an issue with one game that was rendered incompatible for a few days due to an update that had removed M.O.J.O. from their “white list” of supported devices by mistake. Fortunately, that was a quick and easy fix. The latest firmware update for M.O.J.O. gets access to a lot more content than previous unrooted releases, although we still find some apps with options selected in their manifest that prevent them from being accessible even though it would play fine on M.O.J.O. otherwise. Again, as with controller support, let us and the developer know and we’ll chase it up for you. Positively, there’s little doubt that the vast majority of popular apps and games are now available.
In addition, we have a lot of content for gamers not widely supported on other devices. OUYA is now available on M.O.J.O. giving access to hundreds of games configured specifically for compatibility with our C.T.R.L.R. More and more games are being added as OUYA works through their library of now over 900 games. We've also partnered with OnLive and their game-streaming service giving access to their PlayPack library and CloudLift-enabled titles from your Steam account with over 250 PC games from triple-A publishers playable on M.O.J.O. and with our C.T.R.L.R. These apps are not supported on many other devices today.
For resolution settings, we offer 720p, 1080p, and 4K support, as mandated by Google for GMS-certified TV devices.
DTS pass-through is unfortunately not supported but M.O.J.O. has full support for Dolby Digital pass-through. Some of the issues people are facing are app issues. For example, pass-through functionality is broken in the Android version of XBMC but other media players such as MX Player support it just fine.
Mad Catz Nate said:
Hello All,
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Hey Nate, there running theme of the thread seems to be Android.. in particular kitkat and lack of a dev community for modding.
Personally, I'm not pushing for kitkat it will come when it comes... but any chance you can get someone that knows android to answer @shabbypenguin questions , repack problem? and ADB over USB/ETH0.
Running out of ideas and steam... help would be greatly appreciated.
From http://madcatz.com/mojo/en-ca/
Ready to Root
As any Android power-user knows, the best way to get the most out of your device is to root it. Root access opens up all sorts of options including adding custom keymapping capabilities and installing custom ROMs. Mad Catz provides a short step-by-step guide to rooting, and our tech support team is ready to help.
The best part – rooting won’t void your warranty.
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Running out of ideas and steam... help would be greatly appreciated.
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It would take 2 minutes to post a little update, even something like: "Sorry, I don't have that answer and the guy that does is out on holiday or on the road, blah, blah, blah" and you (we) don't get even that. I suppose that's an answer right there.
You're responsible for probably 25% of the user generated M.O.J.O. content that's on the Internet, and this is how they value your questions. :crying: Me, I'm just a customer.
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It would take 2 minutes to post a little update, even something like: "Sorry, I don't have that answer and the guy that does is out on holiday or on the road, blah, blah, blah" and you (we) don't get even that. I suppose that's an answer right there.
You're responsible for probably 25% of the user generated M.O.J.O. content that's on the Internet, and this is how they value your questions. :crying: Me, I'm just a customer.
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I wouldn't say i'm 25%, i have a blog and a few videos...
Maybe the questions have to go through management's approval then to china and back... I don't know
Anyway, I got a few more ideas while waiting.
gwaldo said:
I wouldn't say i'm 25%, i have a blog and a few videos...
Maybe the questions have to go through management's approval then to china and back... I don't know
Anyway, I got a few more ideas while waiting.
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Gwaldo, I think you are the kindest guy on the internet, or at least in the top 10 :fingers-crossed:
p.s. have a look, your content accounts for about 30% of what is out there!
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Maybe the questions have to go through management's approval then to china and back...
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They must have a lot of layers of management to go through...
joaommsousa said:
I have MOJO for several months now, when i initially bought it, i showed it to all my friends, and bragged about the potential of this product.
After all this months, its just sad, the lack of support or competence of the manufacters to actually stand by their product.
Beeing a developer and an android enthusiast, it's just sad to see how poorly this hole process has been developed.
The console itself has several issues, the play store, for me is a huge deal breaker. You can't have a main selling point of the product (the full access to play store and tegra zone) when most of the products there, altought i can see them, are not compatible either with the console itself, or worse, the gamepad isn't recognized. Titles like Portal 2 and Half Life 2, made precisely for MOJO's hardware, and i cant play it.
You can't also ask regular users to Root their device after every update. Either support the non rooted version, or it has to be rooted by default.
I could be a regular user who just wants to play some vice city on my TV, don't know or care how to root. This isn't a developer edition!!
The OS itself has several issues, from the basic ones ( I CANT RESTART OR SHUTDOWN THE CONSOLE w/ unplugging it), no resolution settings. I have several audio lag issues when the console is left on for days. So even for media, i can't have XBMC running 100% there.I do have a Samsung Beam (very slow 1.0 dual core) with buggy OS and i have hours and hours of projecting XBMC media without ANY issues.
The support is next to nothing. I've installed the latest update from MadCatz, i was so happy with more google play support etc.. Turns out when i didn't want to create a OUYA account, now i have OUYA Framework crashing every 5 minutes. Just perfect.
The other main selling point was the gamepad, a solid, well construct Controller, with amazing gaming tecnology from madcatz.
Well, beside the construction, there's nothing else good about the gamepad. I have a bunch of tablets and phones, i have a really hard time connecting and staying connected with my Android 4.4.2 devices. I'm constantly losing my Connection with the gamepad, and the REconnection is just painfull, i have to restart the gameopad a few times before i can get it to work again.
Also most of the games with gamepad support doesn't recognize the CTRLR.. WTF, MadCatz team, even the simple part of getting in touch with game developers, didn't do their homework.
Mad Catz could however, try to compensate somehow, and make a decent Gamepad Mapper. Nothing on this been release, has been months.
If this was a review of the product i would give it 2/10. And the 2 is for the choice of using Nvidia's tegra 4, and thats the only good thing about this.
The lack of support of XDA's developers, given the potential of the device shown by nvidia's shield portable, is insane.
I no longer brag about this with my friends, i'm just ashamed and deceived to have spent 250 bucks on this. I'm buying Nvidia's shield tablet and try to forget Madcatz and my 250$
Thanks MadCatz.
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I have Mojo for some months now and I'm very pleased with it.
Half-Life 2 and Portal works great on my device with some adjustments.
Yes, you can power the device off with a keyboard with shutdown button or install a widget that maps the powerbutton
and brings up the power menu. This is a proper shutdown, not like pulling the plug!
I honestly think right now the nexus player is a better deal. 10 gameloft games are being optimized for the system. Mad Catz must seriously hate their system because they don't update the product. Plus it's still $199 and the amount of problems you're having, makes no sense.
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I honestly think right now the nexus player is a better deal. 10 gameloft games are being optimized for the system. Mad Catz must seriously hate their system because they don't update the product. Plus it's still $199 and the amount of problems you're having, makes no sense.
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Anyone who bought this crap and wants the real stuff ou is crazy enought to be considering buying it, i seriously recommend Nvidia's Shield Tablet. More expensive than nexus player, but gets the job well done on every end ( Entertainment, gaming, PC gaming, Console / Tablet mode )
Nvidia actually supports their products, just announced Lollipop for the tablet by the end of november.
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I have Mojo for some months now and I'm very pleased with it.
Half-Life 2 and Portal works great on my device with some adjustments.
Yes, you can power the device off with a keyboard with shutdown button or install a widget that maps the powerbutton
and brings up the power menu. This is a proper shutdown, not like pulling the plug!
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Half-Life 2 and Portal wow!
Does it play well with the CTRLR?
I would buy both for my mojo if I knew how to get it working... could you please give us a clue how you got it work?
There's a new updated rolling out right now. This is the second update this month. Amazon's software page says the update contains “minor bug fixes and performance improvement.”
Fire TV version 51.1.6.1_user_516010220 - Download Link
Fire TV Stick version 54.1.2.1_user_121065320 - Download Link Unknown
Attention @rbox
Like I said on your site, any update that is running Android 4.2.2 is a major fail. Regardless of how many features are added to the updates they will all be worthless til they upgrade the OS to 4.4+. The features they have added are not good anyway.
Just my opinion though. If I want to shop on Amazon I will go to the actual site and shop, so all of the Amazon features that pertain to shopping Amazon are 100% worthless to me. Also, not one time have I ever used voice search on the Fire TV, so all of the voice search features are also worthless to me. I honestly think th ebest feature that has ben added to an update has been the clock menu, but I rarely even use that feature. I could honestly care less about more superficial features, I just want a more compatible Fire TV and that will only be possible when Amazon upgrades the Android version to at least 4.4. I do not care how many voice search features they add or how many more fire launcher catogories they add, I just want to be able to use the same apps I was using six months ago on the Fire TV that i can no longer use because they now require Android 4.4. I love the Fire TV, but there is absolutely no excuse for why I lost compatibility with over twenty apps in the past four months. Step it up Amazon, cause I am tired of losing compatibility with apps that worked perfectly before. I had my Fire TV's setup the way I wanted with apps that I have used for years on all of my devicess, but Amazon's unwillingness to keep the Fire TV up to date has ruined that.
wth are you even complaining about? my AFTV works fine.
mine works fine
mine works fine. If kodi works. the value is great. the only reason I would replace the firetv would be for 4k. but then again I'd have to buy a 4k TV and a 4k bose lifestyle 535 which does not support 4k yet.
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Like I said on your site, any update that is running Android 4.2.2 is a major fail. Regardless of how many features are added to the updates they will all be worthless til they upgrade the OS to 4.4+. The features they have added are not good anyway. [...] I could honestly care less about more superficial features, I just want a more compatible Fire TV and that will only be possible when Amazon upgrades the Android version to at least 4.4. I do not care how many voice search features they add or how many more fire launcher catogories they add, I just want to be able to use the same apps I was using six months ago on the Fire TV that i can no longer use because they now require Android 4.4.
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Well it's fair that you might not care for new features. I don't use many of them, I don't even use voice search, but it makes sense that other people care about them and they could even be selling points.
However, I'm really curious what apps you're using that have cut off compatibility with 4.2? As of last month 4.2 was the second most used API version, at 17.5% of the market share. I have to say, if apps that used to support 4.2 no longer do, it's the developer's decision, and it seems like a bad one in my opinion. At any rate, while it'd be nice to get an update to KitKat or Lollipop, it's safer to assume that especially highly modified forks of Android such as Fire OS will take longer to update and to reach first gen hardware. I can't really fault Amazon for what I still consider to be the best Android-based streaming media device at its price point.
Android 4.2.2 being populr has nothing to do with anything. Toyota overtook Chevrolet as having the most popular car in the US, but people soon found out that Toyota/Lexus/Scion vehicles were death traps. Beings popular mens nothing. Also I was not complining, I was stating facts. 4.2.2 is on its last legs. Not everyone uses their Fire TV simply for Kodi, I use my Fire TV for a lot of things, so its important for the OS to stay up to date because of compatibility issues. This happens on all devices, but with the Fire TV we have no choice but to be stuck with Jellybean. If it wwere Windows, Linux, IOS etc we cold jusst update but with the Fire TV we are stuck with whatever Amazon gives us, which is fine, but they need to realize that the Fire TV needs to be up to date.
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Android 4.2.2 being populr has nothing to do with anything. Toyota overtook Chevrolet as having the most popular car in the US, but people soon found out that Toyota/Lexus/Scion vehicles were death traps. Beings popular mens nothing. Also I was not complining, I was stating facts. 4.2.2 is on its last legs. Not everyone uses their Fire TV simply for Kodi, I use my Fire TV for a lot of things, so its important for the OS to stay up to date because of compatibility issues. This happens on all devices, but with the Fire TV we have no choice but to be stuck with Jellybean. If it wwere Windows, Linux, IOS etc we cold jusst update but with the Fire TV we are stuck with whatever Amazon gives us, which is fine, but they need to realize that the Fire TV needs to be up to date.
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why does it need to be up to date though with the latest LP build....?
Your response to the questions asked of your first post seemed to have been answered with generalisations and vagueness. I do not see, in the context of the AFTV, that JB is on its last legs at all nor that the update, based on 4.2.2 is a major fail. It meets the needs of what Amazon wanted from its device and also meets my own needs when using Kodi, which it was not designed to do but does it for me very well.
Great news that Amazon is still pushing out updates and my AFTV continues to performs very well, since version 15 of Kodi has been released it seems even more responsive, might be just a placebo effect though...?
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why does it need to be up to date though with the latest LP build....?
Your response to the questions asked of your first post seemed to have been answered with generalisations and vagueness. I do not see, in the context of the AFTV, that JB is on its last legs at all nor that the update, based on 4.2.2 is a major fail. It meets the needs of what Amazon wanted from its device and also meets my own needs when using Kodi, which it was not designed to do but does it for me very well.
Great news that Amazon is still pushing out updates and my AFTV continues to performs very well, since version 15 of Kodi has been released it seems even more responsive, might be just a placebo effect though...?
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A device performing well has nothing to do with it. I can install Windows 95 on an old laptop and it will perform well. The Fire TV is more than just a device for running Kodi. I use the Fire TV as it was meant to be used and not just to steal free streams from Kodi. I do use Kodi, but the Fire TV does way more than run Kodi.
Also Amazon has even lost native Fire TV apps because they started requiring Android 4.4, so anyone that says compatibility issues are not an issue, knows very little. It will keep gettin worse, cause everyone is starting to require Android 4.4. For some reason in the past six or so months companies have wanted to keep their apps fresh and only running on the latest software. This is the first time I have seen so many apps require such a new version of Android. Its not Amazons fault, but they need to realize that everyone is moving to newer software and they need to as well. I think all of the companies that make android devices have finally realized that the Apple way may be the best. Apple keeps every device up to date then drops support for devices after a couple years so that people will have to get the newer version. Like when the iphone 4 came out, Apple basically took every ios device from two years before and dropped support for all of them forcing people to buy the new one. It seems like thats where Android is headed in terms of software updates. Google has already basically ordered companies to stop putting SD Card slots and removable batteries on phones, so its clear they are trying to make Android devices be more like the iphone, so why not also copy the way Apple updates their devices as well. The Fire TV does need to be upgraded to Android 4.4+, cause it cannot be used to it full potential running Jellybean. Sure it can run a lot of apps, but as time goes by less and less apps will be compatible.
Its crazy that Apple has one device that outsells over 200 Android devices by itself, but its little things like software updates that tell me exactly why the iphone has a lock on the industry. Android is barely the market share leader, but the chart is extremely laughable, cause ios has three devices on the chart and every Android device combined isn't even outselling three Apple devices by a whole percentage point. Updates were the worst part of windows mobile devices and I believe that having no kind of structured upgrade system for Android devices, is one of the major drawbacks of Android devices, cause its like having windows mobile all over again. Just browse through XDA and you will see thousands of threads where people are compaining that their device came out a month before but the newer device got the upgrade first and so on. Androids major flaw is no structured upgrade system. But like I said above, I believe that is where Google will take Android and have some kind of upgrade system like Apple does with their devices.
That the good thing about Apple, if you have newer Apple devics all of them will get the same major update at the same time. Android needs to catch up.
quote " I use the Fire TV as it was meant to be used"
lol! listen to yourself, you clearly do NOT. Why do you keep contradicting yourself?
Now cut the bs and answer the question, what twenty apps have you lost compability with?
You my friend is what is called a freaking uber troll.
The only thing I see this streaming box (yes its meant for steaming and casual gaming, NOT running productivity apps) could gain from lollipop is clearly 24p and the autoswitch of refresh rate to match the video.
When is Android 6.0 Marshmallow coming to the Nvidia Shield TV? Nvidia is planning to upgrade all of us, right?
It's coming, as to when, well, your guess is as good as anybody's. I tweeted @NvidiaShield and the response was "you know we always have something cooking". Im looking forward to using external sd as internal. Other than that I don't know what else there really is to look forward to with it.
sooooon
I'm so excited for it !
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Why?
Not trolling, genuinely curious. Since Shield TV is a "set top" box, things like Doze, battery savings, On Tap, really wouldn't matter.
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Why?
Not trolling, genuinely curious. Since Shield TV is a "set top" box, things like Doze, battery savings, On Tap, really wouldn't matter.
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Probably for the support of external memory being used as internal.
I can't wait for marshmallow too! I've been searching for ways to move apps 100% to the microSD card but so far nothing works!
I've tried all the apps 2 sd apps on Google Play and I even tried this:
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This module changes value (path to internal SD card) in some Android APIs which apps use. Control this path in module's settings. You can enable this module for all apps or only for specific apps. Also you can enable full access to external SD card (for KitKat+)
http://repo.xposed.info/module/com.pyler.xinternalsd
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I can't wait for marshmallow too! I've been searching for ways to move apps 100% to the microSD card but so far nothing works!
I've tried all the apps 2 sd apps on Google Play and I even tried this:
XInternalSD
This module changes value (path to internal SD card) in some Android APIs which apps use. Control this path in module's settings. You can enable this module for all apps or only for specific apps. Also you can enable full access to external SD card (for KitKat+)
http://repo.xposed.info/module/com.pyler.xinternalsd
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I made a post here on Xda explaining how to have apps to external USB hdd if that's any help to you it's in the general section for the shield
Believe me, you won't be happy with marshmallow's sdcard adoption implementation. I don't care if this thing gets marshmallow lol. It runs everything perfect as it is right now. How about some goddamn top tier games tho, nvidia?!
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I made a post here on Xda explaining how to have apps to external USB hdd if that's any help to you it's in the general section for the shield
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Link, please?
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Link, please?
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Video: NVIDIA Demos Android 6.0 Marshmallow on the SHIELD TV
NVIDIA has said the update will be available later this month, but no firm date has been announced just yet.
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new info:
Special Delivery: Android 6.0 Marshmallow, New Games and More Coming to SHIELD
Gilbot said:
Believe me, you won't be happy with marshmallow's sdcard adoption implementation. I don't care if this thing gets marshmallow lol. It runs everything perfect as it is right now. How about some goddamn top tier games tho, nvidia?!
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What do you mean?
Sounds like it's going to work very well!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtPGPBN5PJQ
New version will also bring you a lot of problem. It is just a TV, the current system is good enough for me.
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New version will also bring you a lot of problem. It is just a TV, the current system is good enough for me.
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Based on what? That's like saying, "If you go outside, you're just going to die".
Some people just "talk" to hear themselves "talk".
There might be bugs/issues when it comes out, but overall newer versions tend to bring new features. More importantly, security patches are usually in newer versions too.
Sorry but he has a point. Still today I don't understand the need for new OS versions every 6 months. New OS will bring new features but also new bugs to be corrected. It's not like google makes HW specific OS. For example Minix already said they won't upgrade their Android base because they have a very stable, bug free SW and do not want to risk having to solve lots of bugs. Then again no one forces you to update, simply don't click the button
Nevertheless he has some point and they should focus on contacting app developers to support the Android TV a bit more because the amount of supported apps is just ridiculous in my opinion, specially considering the tremendous potential of Shield's HW.
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Sorry but he has a point. Still today I don't understand the need for new OS versions every 6 months. New OS will bring new features but also new bugs to be corrected. It's not like google makes HW specific OS. For example Minix already said they won't upgrade their Android base because they have a very stable, bug free SW and do not want to risk having to solve lots of bugs. Then again no one forces you to update, simply don't click the button
Nevertheless he has some point and they should focus on contacting app developers to support the Android TV a bit more because the amount of supported apps is just ridiculous in my opinion, specially considering the tremendous potential of Shield's HW.
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I shockingly found myself gently forced to update by Nvidia. The update popup appears annoyingly frequently and that was the main reason why I updated from V1.3 to V1.4. I do like updates I just didn't want to go through the hassle of re-rooting.
is there any news for new update? thanks
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is there any news for new update? thanks
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Nope. They will release it when it's ready. It makes no sense to rush a ROM deployment if it doesn't bring anything new over the past release and if it's not as stable. If they would do such a thing, the discussion over this board will turn into "Why doesn't nVidia care about their users and release crappy updates!!??!! Let's boycott [email protected]"!"!"
I just found the shield TV was an officially supported device by Remix os.
there is the ROM http://www.jide.com/remixos/devices/shieldtv
it seems it is lollipop based and have no hardware acceleration yet.
did someone tried it and is willing to give a feedback?
EDIT: I didn't read the post properly, response removed.
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EDIT: I didn't read the post properly, response removed.
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it is OK,i t was entertaining still
what type to use ,16G? 500G HDD?
leasing said:
what type to use ,16G? 500G HDD?
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same image for both.but 500gb shield will be a lots slower to install.
(formating)
This remix os version is for the Shield Pro, it's lollipop based so if anyone's on marshmallow and want to try it, you will have to downgrade in order to install
It would be amazing if we could dual boot this ROM (on Lollipop) and the stock Android TV on Marshmallow.maybe with AROMA and
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It would be amazing if we could dual boot this ROM (on Lollipop) and the stock Android TV on Marshmallow.maybe with AROMA and
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so true,to bad twrp does not support multiple rom on this device.
that suck.
in the other hand jide just leaked some info about remix 3.0 marshmallow.
that will be released very soon.
Remix is still a little glitchy & controller does not work wirelessly. Every other time Play Store is opened one must uninstall Play update, can be solved by installing the latest Play Store apk
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Remix is still a little glitchy & controller does not work wirelessly. Every other time Play Store is opened one must uninstall Play update, can be solved by installing the latest Play Store apk
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Ho OK thx. Yes the controller and play store was expected.it is not the first that have this problem (Zulu roms)
Nvidia need to release the driver,they will make less holding back the controller wifi driver,as all it seems is a vain attempt to promote geforce now sales and percentage earnings via play store etc on shield tv.The chances are the units would fly off the shelves far faster than they ever would make more selling the games in a cloud subscription gaming service by miles,I'd see it as it would gain us notoriety for the hardware if I were a boss there,and that's everything brand recognition trumps trying to sell subscriptions to a sparse game library,and android tv os is just so young and uninteresting to some developers I am picturing it,this is why they are not rebuilding or porting current libraries of apps and games to the os.They probably see it more rewarding to keep with the standard os than plug money into an unknown variable,unless of course the fault lies with googles turn around on verifying the allready ported apps and games,this confuses me why is android tv os so sparse on apps and games and where does the blame lie in versions of apps and games for the android tv os lie anyway google and or the developer can someone elaborate where the blame goes please as I am confused what the problem is?
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Nvidia need to release the driver,they will make less holding back the controller wifi driver,as all it seems is a vain attempt to promote geforce now sales and percentage earnings via play store etc on shield tv.The chances are the units would fly off the shelves far faster than they ever would make more selling the games in a cloud subscription gaming service by miles,I'd see it as it would gain us notoriety for the hardware if I were a boss there,and that's everything brand recognition trumps trying to sell subscriptions to a sparse game library,and android tv os is just so young and uninteresting to some developers I am picturing it,this is why they are not rebuilding or porting current libraries of apps and games to the os.They probably see it more rewarding to keep with the standard os than plug money into an unknown variable,unless of course the fault lies with googles turn around on verifying the allready ported apps and games,this confuses me why is android tv os so sparse on apps and games and where does the blame lie in versions of apps and games for the android tv os lie anyway google and or the developer can someone elaborate where the blame goes please as I am confused what the problem is?
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I assume for the play store the problem is from Google..
they offer different licencing for basically the same thing as Android..
but they have split Android and Android TV only because they wanted to earn more money.
splitting the licencing mean 2 time the money for them...
protecting a different experiences for living rooms.
for streaming stuff and controller you can blame nvidia for promoting their proprietary services and technology.
the cloud,the streaming and their "high "bandwidth "controllers.
Ah now I get it it's due to greed,make money by calling the same thing a different thing by slapping a launcher in it and saying yeah you can list your game in android tv os as well,but you know it's a different thing to normal android os because it's tv os! But actually it's android with a different shell they charge you again for just to list in the same play store for it,that's what people where i live call pure skank lol :good: thumbs up goolge no wonder everyone isn't jumping on the development side of this cash cow all at once lmfao,why the heck would you discourage before encourage if the aim is profit here???But thanks for this insight I never realized they'd do such a thing,it's theoretically a bit unbecoming of a open source os owner to start cashing in twice a time in my opinion it's a little bit cruel,maybe if they'd say earn your 1st year before paying a fee that would be better for anyone coming in as a first time publisher of apps or games,instead of being told give me your money then I'll list your game or app,who cares if it's not affordable because all your time and effort is spent making the app or game come to fruition for the purpose of then publishing it.Or even better incentives is 1 years free publishing and then a fee is paid regardless if you take it down or not,it gives a push to put good stuff up and not lowsy stuff otherwise you make nothing to pay with in the first year,why not work it door swings both ways like that,or a 2 year grace period is even better,it would mean better quality product is likely made,and money for the developer to afford to pay is highly likely at that stage.
I almost made a new topic for this, but decided to revive this one instead. Jide just released v3 of Remix OS for the Google Pixel C...... which has the same CPU/GPU as the Shield TV does, so theoretically this should make it a hell of a lot easier to get it working on the Shield.
I've been using it on my Pixel for about the past 48 hours and I absolutely love it. I'm trying to re-arrange my PCs in my apartment and I'm looking for a high performance, low power PC to put in my bedroom as a replacement for my Steam Machine (currently streaming stuff from it to the Shield in the living room), and the Shield with Remix would be the perfect candidate since I already know it suits my needs and is really snappy.
The question is, who's up to the challenge to get it to work? I know nothing about Android development, but I'm more than willing to help with development and provide anything necessary off of the Pixel, which shouldn't be a problem since I have Remix OS currently rooted
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The question is, who's up to the challenge to get it to work? I know nothing about Android development, but I'm more than willing to help with development and provide anything necessary off of the Pixel, which shouldn't be a problem since I have Remix OS currently rooted
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I guess they will release a V3 to Shield TV soon, so I dont think thats neccessary.
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I assume for the play store the problem is from Google..
they offer different licencing for basically the same thing as Android..
but they have split Android and Android TV only because they wanted to earn more money.
splitting the licencing mean 2 time the money for them...
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I dont understand? All my apps that I bought originally for standard Android devices work fine without having to rerpurchase. This even goes for apps I bought a few years back. I dont see Google splittimg licencing between devices, rather the opposite. And thats why Im perfectly happy with my Shield TV. If you look at Apple, they did what you talk about, releasing phone / tablet and I guess ATV versions of apps making customers have to repurchase.
Remix os uses a different license than android
They still have to release the source code, the kernel is Linux and the OS is Android, both are open source and licensed under the GPL so by law they have to release the source code of at least that, which is the major part we need. Also Nvidias drivers and source code are released so what are we really missing? I just read the article on XDA and its talking about Android-X86, but this is Android ARM, which is a different beast. Jide mentioned that they hosted their code on github, but surprise, surprise its empty https://github.com/jide-opensource. This seems to be their real repository: https://github.com/JideTechnology
Also I wouldn't be too sure of them releasing it for the shield since they already sell their own desktop/media center device.
Edit: looks like I was wrong Android is licensed under the Apache license, which means that a company can take the source code, modify it and change the license but the still have to release the code for the unmodified parts
Still me thinks it shouldn't be too difficult since they're using the same CPU and GPU, but the pixel is essentially a Chromebook and the shield has no screen or touch input, just an HDMI port, so it may be way more difficult than I think.
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I guess they will release a V3 to Shield TV soon, so I dont think thats neccessary.
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I dont understand? All my apps that I bought originally for standard Android devices work fine without having to rerpurchase. This even goes for apps I bought a few years back. I dont see Google splittimg licencing between devices, rather the opposite. And thats why Im perfectly happy with my Shield TV. If you look at Apple, they did what you talk about, releasing phone / tablet and I guess ATV versions of apps making customers have to repurchase.
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The licensing is on dev side.not on customer side.
this would be amazing
I've seen a 2.5 mentioned elsewhere, but with 3.X out in the wild now (which our chipset doesn't support...thanks Nvidia) are they still actively working on bug-fixes for the 2.X series or have they moved on?
There are a number of issues that I have with this tablet that, to be honest, are starting to outweigh my love of it and seriously starting to damage my calm. No one glitch is catastrophic on it's own, but little annoyances that add up to a more frustrating experience than I think my money should have bought me. I can live with them if I have to; I can live with being annoyed and learning to work around it's "early adopter foibles" as I've started to call them, but I'm hoping it's still maintained and I don't HAVE to.
ETA - I should also edit it to add that most of my gliches seem to be caused by a less than strong wifi signal. This tablet seems to really really hate weak wifi and will start doing all kinds of funky stuff. Comparitively fewer glitches (though some) when connected to my wifi at home. But a truly frustrating experience as soon as I connect it to my terrible wifi at work)
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I've seen a 2.5 mentioned elsewhere, but with 3.X out in the wild now (which our chipset doesn't support...thanks Nvidia) are they still actively working on bug-fixes for the 2.X series or have they moved on?
There are a number of issues that I have with this tablet that, to be honest, are starting to outweigh my love of it and seriously starting to damage my calm. No one glitch is catastrophic on it's own, but little annoyances that add up to a more frustrating experience than I think my money should have bought me. I can live with them if I have to; I can live with being annoyed and learning to work around it's "early adopter foibles" as I've started to call them, but I'm hoping it's still maintained and I don't HAVE to.
ETA - I should also edit it to add that most of my gliches seem to be caused by a less than strong wifi signal. This tablet seems to really really hate weak wifi and will start doing all kinds of funky stuff. Comparitively fewer glitches (though some) when connected to my wifi at home. But a truly frustrating experience as soon as I connect it to my terrible wifi at work)
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Jide has your money and that's all about which they care. They have more resources working on free Remix for PCs than they do for the Ultra Tablet. They should rename it the Orphan Tablet.
Can you download the WIFI Analyzer app, please? And tell us what ur signal readings are.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.farproc.wifi.analyzer&hl=en
Mouse Not working 100% with Jide Ultratablet
Hi Jide,
I have logged a few calls over the past year relating to my Bluetooth mouse that randomly disconnects from the Ultratablet from time to time and or when the mouse goes into power save mode. When this occurs, the only way to get the mouse to work again, is to un-pair the existing mouse on the tablet, then switch off Bluetooth, then switch Bluetooth back on and re-pair again from scratch. Obviously I do this 15 to 20 times a day because of the mouse going into sleep mode when I walk away from my device. From time to time, also while I am working, it randomly disconnects as well.
I have tested the mouse on my Samsung tablet, with no disconnects. Also have tested it on both a few Microsoft laptops and Apple Mac machines with no disconnects.
I have been told by your support, that they are aware of the issue and working on it. It is almost 1 year later and I still have not been given a resolution. I am on the latest official build.
My question is simple. When will this be fixed? (Can it be fixed?)
It's been the last update we have had in a long time... can anyone confirm? I'm 100% sure it's the last major update unless someone can figure out a way to let us install a different ROM on here.
As far major upgrades (ie. migration from Remix OS 1.0 > Remix OS 1.5 > Remix OS 2.0) we don't foresee one. However, as the below thread is trying to do, we're trying to figure out what bugs are affecting users out there so that we can work on an update that will improve your overall experiences.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/rem...ultratablet-issues-bugs-t3493596#post69679734
Thus far, we're working on:
1. @tomlogan1's issues he shared with us through private message
2. including Android's Nov 1 and Nov 6 security patches that has a fix for the Linux "DirtyCow" issue
3. an audio stuttering issue that is happening for certain audio apps
If you'd like to contribute to the list of issues we're working on, please list them (along with your Remix OS version number) in the thread I shared above. Thanks.
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It's been the last update we have had in a long time... can anyone confirm? I'm 100% sure it's the last major update unless someone can figure out a way to let us install a different ROM on here.
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Posted this in the wrong thread.
See post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=69891866&postcount=19
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As far major upgrades (ie. migration from Remix OS 1.0 > Remix OS 1.5 > Remix OS 2.0) we don't foresee one. However, as the below thread is trying to do, we're trying to figure out what bugs are affecting users out there so that we can work on an update that will improve your overall experiences.
Since you are abandoning us, is there anyway I can load another version of Android over the Remix OS?
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Abandonment implies that we won't even put out fixes, which we're working actively on now based on the feedback that has been given us.
However, again, there is no way for Ultratablet to be upgraded to Remix OS based on Android versions higher than 5.1 (Lolipop). The chip in the Ultratablet is only supported up to Lolipop. There is nothing we can do about that since this is a decision that NVIDIA made for the Tegra 4 chipset. This decision is not something we have control over.
If you do load other versions of Android over Remix OS, the biggest issues are how it responds to keyboard & mouse and how it orientates apps.
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RemixOS_Jason said:
As far major upgrades (ie. migration from Remix OS 1.0 > Remix OS 1.5 > Remix OS 2.0) we don't foresee one. However, as the below thread is trying to do, we're trying to figure out what bugs are affecting users out there so that we can work on an update that will improve your overall experiences.
Since you are abandoning us, is there anyway I can load another version of Android over the Remix OS?
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Abandonment implies that we won't even put out fixes, which we're working actively on now based on the feedback that has been given us.
However, again, there is no way for Ultratablet to be upgraded to Remix OS based on Android versions higher than 5.1 (Lolipop). The chip in the Ultratablet is only supported up to Lolipop. There is nothing we can do about that since this is a decision that NVIDIA made for the Tegra 4 chipset. This decision is not something we have control over.
If you do load other versions of Android over Remix OS, the biggest issues are how it responds to keyboard & mouse and how it orientates apps.
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You mentioned that there will be no further upgrades to the OS due to hardware restrictions. You also mentioned that you would upgrade the V2.0 software and provide bug fixes, etc. The Mini keeps getting V2.0 upgrades and bug fixes. Please can you provide an estimated time frame when the next upgrade for V2.0 will be released for the UltraTablet?