Hello everyone
I have Nexus Player, Tv, And Denon 1508 audio receiver
For now I have such seturp- the HDMI from Nexus goes to tv, and then with 2 cords goes to receiver
Is there any way to get 5 chanel audio out of hdmi? Maybe some splitter to get sound out of hdmi to optical / coaxial inputs? Any other ideas?
myshyak said:
Hello everyone
I have Nexus Player, Tv, And Denon 1508 audio receiver
For now I have such seturp- the HDMI from Nexus goes to tv, and then with 2 cords goes to receiver
Is there any way to get 5 chanel audio out of hdmi? Maybe some splitter to get sound out of hdmi to optical / coaxial inputs? Any other ideas?
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If your receiver has no HDMI inputs, you'll have to convert/split the HDMI signal. Monoprice sells just such a box for around $35:
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=101&cp_id=10114&cs_id=1011412&p_id=10251&seq=1&format=2
Good luck.
edit: I looked up your receiver and it seems to have 2 HDMI inputs (and one monitor/output to send to your TV). Is there any reason why you don't have the Nexus Player hooked up to your Denon via HDMI so it can decode your 5.1 audio directly?
It has hdmi imputs, but only as the switch, it can't take audio from there, unfortunately
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Thanks for link, it is exactly what I need
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Does your TV not have optical outs? I plug my np into TV and take optical outs to receiver and works great.
volwrath said:
Does your TV not have optical outs? I plug my np into TV and take optical outs to receiver and works great.
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Most TV optical outs will only give you 2.0 PCM stereo. With the above box, it'll passthrough the original Dolby Digital and/or DTS 5.1/7.1 signal to your receiver for it to decode. Due to bandwidth limitations, optical cannot support PCM 5.1, so DTS-HD Master Audio or DD TrueHD would be out, but it'd pass the embedded DTS and DD signal from those.
i havent had the chance to pick up the player yet, as it is not out in the uk, but i hope that 5.0 support for USB DAC's will make it work with one of these and an otg cable
http://www.turtlebeach.com/product-detail/sound-cards-accessories/audio-advantage-micro-ii/31
Elrondolio said:
Most TV optical outs will only give you 2.0 PCM stereo. With the above box, it'll passthrough the original Dolby Digital and/or DTS 5.1/7.1 signal to your receiver for it to decode. Due to bandwidth limitations, optical cannot support PCM 5.1, so DTS-HD Master Audio or DD TrueHD would be out, but it'd pass the embedded DTS and DD signal from those.
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Good points. My receiver is old and doesn't do dts-hd or truehd.
Same Issue
I am having a similar issue, I have the nexus player connected to an hdmi to spdif splitter. HDMI continues onto the TV, the spdif cable goes to a Sonos Playbar. I tried the same setup with my xbox 360 and was able to get 5.1 surround out of the sonos. But with the Nexus Player I am having no luck, I am just getting stereo audio. Anyone have any ideas?
XBMC will convert 5.1 signals to Dolby Pro Logic 2 which you can decode with your receiver for 5.1 sound.
Let's just hope that you're playing local media.
I made another thread, didnt see this before hand. Anyways my np is connected hdmi to the tv (so is everything else) and then optical out from tv to receiver . and surround is not working from np.
Everything else (xbox and what not) 5.1 works just fine
Giroyac said:
I made another thread, didnt see this before hand. Anyways my np is connected hdmi to the tv (so is everything else) and then optical out from tv to receiver . and surround is not working from np.
Everything else (xbox and what not) 5.1 works just fine
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It is a pretty rare TV that will output anything but 2.0 LPCM from sources connected to it via HDMI, even if those HDMI sources were passed DD and DTS - almost all TVs will decode and mix those streams down to stereo 2.0 LPCM for optical out to receiver. Internal TV sources are usually broadcast in Dolby Digital or DTS 5.1 over optical (such as Samsung Hub apps, etc), but external HDMI devices are almost always another story. However there are a few select TV sets that will indeed passthrough DD and DTS signals via external HDMI over its optical out, so maybe you have one.
One thing for absolute sure: the SPDIF standard (both optical and coaxial) does NOT has the bandwidth to pass 5.1 LPCM, no matter what the source (internal or HDMI). That is most likely the issue you are having with the Nexus as many apps will be transmitting uncompressed 5.1 LPCM over HDMI to receiver/TV.
One way to verify your set for sure is to install kodi on the Nexus. In kodi settings, make sure you select 5.1 channel output and enable passthrough for both Dolby Digital and DTS. The HDMI will then pass both of those signals unmolested to your TV, assuming your source DD and DTS in mkv's etc. If your TV is indeed a rare set that passes HDMI DD and DTS to its optical out, you should get the Dolby Digital and DTS signals from kodi at your receiver (with the optical connection from your TV). If kodi-hdmi-optical-receiver is receiving LPCM 2.0, it is indeed like most and downmixing internally.
Good luck.
Elrondolio said:
It is a pretty rare TV that will output anything but 2.0 LPCM from sources connected to it via HDMI, even if those HDMI sources were passed DD and DTS - almost all TVs will decode and mix those streams down to stereo 2.0 LPCM for optical out to receiver. Internal TV sources are usually broadcast in Dolby Digital or DTS 5.1 over optical (such as Samsung Hub apps, etc), but external HDMI devices are almost always another story. However there are a few select TV sets that will indeed passthrough DD and DTS signals via external HDMI over its optical out, so maybe you have one.
One thing for absolute sure: the SPDIF standard (both optical and coaxial) does NOT has the bandwidth to pass 5.1 LPCM, no matter what the source (internal or HDMI). That is most likely the issue you are having with the Nexus as many apps will be transmitting uncompressed 5.1 LPCM over HDMI to receiver/TV.
One way to verify your set for sure is to install kodi on the Nexus. In kodi settings, make sure you select 5.1 channel output and enable passthrough for both Dolby Digital and DTS. The HDMI will then pass both of those signals unmolested to your TV, assuming your source DD and DTS in mkv's etc. If your TV is indeed a rare set that passes HDMI DD and DTS to its optical out, you should get the Dolby Digital and DTS signals from kodi at your receiver (with the optical connection from your TV). If kodi-hdmi-optical-receiver is receiving LPCM 2.0, it is indeed like most and downmixing internally.
Good luck.
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Thanks for the informative reply, so what it is the best way to connect this to get 5.1 surround ?my surround system is basically a home theater blue ray player, is it even possible ?
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Elrondolio said:
It is a pretty rare TV that will output anything but 2.0 LPCM from sources connected to it via HDMI, even if those HDMI sources were passed DD and DTS - almost all TVs will decode and mix those streams down to stereo 2.0 LPCM for optical out to receiver. Internal TV sources are usually broadcast in Dolby Digital or DTS 5.1 over optical (such as Samsung Hub apps, etc), but external HDMI devices are almost always another story. However there are a few select TV sets that will indeed passthrough DD and DTS signals via external HDMI over its optical out, so maybe you have one.
One thing for absolute sure: the SPDIF standard (both optical and coaxial) does NOT has the bandwidth to pass 5.1 LPCM, no matter what the source (internal or HDMI). That is most likely the issue you are having with the Nexus as many apps will be transmitting uncompressed 5.1 LPCM over HDMI to receiver/TV.
One way to verify your set for sure is to install kodi on the Nexus. In kodi settings, make sure you select 5.1 channel output and enable passthrough for both Dolby Digital and DTS. The HDMI will then pass both of those signals unmolested to your TV, assuming your source DD and DTS in mkv's etc. If your TV is indeed a rare set that passes HDMI DD and DTS to its optical out, you should get the Dolby Digital and DTS signals from kodi at your receiver (with the optical connection from your TV). If kodi-hdmi-optical-receiver is receiving LPCM 2.0, it is indeed like most and downmixing internally.
Good luck.
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Oh and in xbmc i chose 5.1 but theres nothing in regards to passthrough setting or what not.
Elrondolio said:
It is a pretty rare TV that will output anything but 2.0 LPCM from sources connected to it via HDMI, even if those HDMI sources were passed DD and DTS - almost all TVs will decode and mix those streams down to stereo 2.0 LPCM for optical out to receiver. Internal TV sources are usually broadcast in Dolby Digital or DTS 5.1 over optical (such as Samsung Hub apps, etc), but external HDMI devices are almost always another story. However there are a few select TV sets that will indeed passthrough DD and DTS signals via external HDMI over its optical out, so maybe you have one.
One thing for absolute sure: the SPDIF standard (both optical and coaxial) does NOT has the bandwidth to pass 5.1 LPCM, no matter what the source (internal or HDMI). That is most likely the issue you are having with the Nexus as many apps will be transmitting uncompressed 5.1 LPCM over HDMI to receiver/TV.
One way to verify your set for sure is to install kodi on the Nexus. In kodi settings, make sure you select 5.1 channel output and enable passthrough for both Dolby Digital and DTS. The HDMI will then pass both of those signals unmolested to your TV, assuming your source DD and DTS in mkv's etc. If your TV is indeed a rare set that passes HDMI DD and DTS to its optical out, you should get the Dolby Digital and DTS signals from kodi at your receiver (with the optical connection from your TV). If kodi-hdmi-optical-receiver is receiving LPCM 2.0, it is indeed like most and downmixing internally.
Good luck.
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Thanks alot. You caused me to research my Samsung TV and I have found that I am only received prologic over my tv now i am going to have to buy an receiver.
Giroyac said:
Thanks for the informative reply, so what it is the best way to connect this to get 5.1 surround ?my surround system is basically a home theater blue ray player, is it even possible ?
Oh and in xbmc i chose 5.1 but theres nothing in regards to passthrough setting or what not.
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In XBMC/kodi, you need to select either the advanced or expert option at the bottom of the settings dialog before you can see more setting options on each page. I believe the DD and DTS passthrough setting is revealed when you choose advanced.
As for getting 5.1 (compressed DD or DTS) to an older receiver that only has SPDIF optical or coaxial inputs: as posted above there are inexpensive $35 intermediate boxes that can split the DD and DTS signals from an HDMI input and send those along to an additional SPDIF output, as well as sending the original HDMI video/audio along via HDMI out to your TV.
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=101&cp_id=10114&cs_id=1011412&p_id=10251&seq=1&format=2
Or, if you have multiple HDMI sources and want one HDMI out to TV as well as one SPDIF output to your receiver:
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=101&cp_id=10110&cs_id=1011002&p_id=7974&seq=1&format=2
If your original sources are guaranteed to only be sending 2.0-5.1 Dolby Digital and/or DTS (as well as up to 2.1 LPCM), such a box will work great. This includes streaming most local or NAS sources via mkv's, etc through Plex or XBMC/kodi. If you are feeding any HDMI sources that contain uncompressed 5.1 LPCM or Dolby Digital Plus, etc, it'd only pass 2.0 LPCM from those sources over optical/coaxial. You'd need a more expensive box that can do the same as above but additionally re-encode all signals to 5.1 Dolby Digital before sending out over optical/coaxial if you needed/wanted 5.1 LPCM, AAC, DD+, etc sources to be in 5.1 over optical.
tl;dr: you don't have to replace your older receiver if you are streaming local media sources of up to 5.1 Dolby Digital or DTS. If you want to support online sources that may stream DD+ or uncompressed 5.1 LPCM, however, a more expensive converter box will be needed than above or, in most cases a better idea, you'd need to upgrade your receiver.
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volwrath said:
Thanks alot. You caused me to research my Samsung TV and I have found that I am only received prologic over my tv now i am going to have to buy an receiver.
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See above post... you may not need a new receiver depending on your needs.
Elrondolio said:
In XBMC/kodi, you need to select either the advanced or expert option at the bottom of the settings dialog before you can see more setting options on each page. I believe the DD and DTS passthrough setting is revealed when you choose advanced.
As for getting 5.1 (compressed DD or DTS) to an older receiver that only has SPDIF optical or coaxial inputs: as posted above there are inexpensive $35 intermediate boxes that can split the DD and DTS signals from an HDMI input and send those along to an additional SPDIF output, as well as sending the original HDMI video/audio along via HDMI out to your TV.
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=101&cp_id=10114&cs_id=1011412&p_id=10251&seq=1&format=2
Or, if you have multiple HDMI sources and want one HDMI out to TV as well as one SPDIF output to your receiver:
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=101&cp_id=10110&cs_id=1011002&p_id=7974&seq=1&format=2
If your original sources are guaranteed to only be sending 2.0-5.1 Dolby Digital and/or DTS (as well as up to 2.1 LPCM), such a box will work great. This includes streaming most local or NAS sources via mkv's, etc through Plex or XBMC/kodi. If you are feeding any HDMI sources that contain uncompressed 5.1 LPCM or Dolby Digital Plus, etc, it'd only pass 2.0 LPCM from those sources over optical/coaxial. You'd need a more expensive box that can do the same as above but additionally re-encode all signals to 5.1 Dolby Digital before sending out over optical/coaxial if you needed/wanted 5.1 LPCM, AAC, DD+, etc sources to be in 5.1 over optical.
tl;dr: you don't have to replace your older receiver if you are streaming local media sources of up to 5.1 Dolby Digital or DTS. If you want to support online sources that may stream DD+ or uncompressed 5.1 LPCM, however, a more expensive converter box will be needed than above or, in most cases a better idea, you'd need to upgrade your receiver.
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See above post... you may not need a new receiver depending on your needs.
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Holly crap dude, that must've been the best response I've got on any thread on any forum.
Thanks a lot.
So since from your previous replies you mentioned the nexus player uses 5.1 lpcm in many of the apps (which im assuming includes google play, netflix and what not) im either stuck buying the expensive splitter thing or a new receiver.
To be honest, i dont think either would help, since my main concern was watching show box movies with surround. Which i recently learned doesnt have 5.1 audio regardless. I guess same applies to xbmc (depending on what is streaming and if it does 5.1 or not)
Does what i said kind of makes sense to you ? I apologize for my noobness
Giroyac said:
Holly crap dude, that must've been the best response I've got on any thread on any forum.
Thanks a lot.
So since from your previous replies you mentioned the nexus player uses 5.1 lpcm in many of the apps (which im assuming includes google play, netflix and what not) im either stuck buying the expensive splitter thing or a new receiver.
To be honest, i dont think either would help, since my main concern was watching show box movies with surround. Which i recently learned doesnt have 5.1 audio regardless. I guess same applies to xbmc (depending on what is streaming and if it does 5.1 or not)
Does what i said kind of makes sense to you ? I apologize for my noobness
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Thanks. Yes, what you wrote makes sense and isn't noobie at all. There are some addon streams that XBMC/kodi can pass 5.1 from to your receiver, but you are correct that the vast majority of streams are indeed only in stereo or, at best, Pro Logic. As for Netflix and Google Play over the NP: I'm not sure what it streams as I've been on the road so much and haven't had the time with the NP to check it out. Some on these boards are saying that Netflix is only sending 2.0 LPCM on the Nexus right now. I'm sure someone else can chime in with more direct NP testing. If your main concern is getting a ripped media collection in 5.1 over an older receiver, the converter box applies. Otherwise, it does not.
Take care.
Elrondolio said:
Thanks. Yes, what you wrote makes sense and isn't noobie at all. There are some addon streams that XBMC/kodi can pass 5.1 from to your receiver, but you are correct that the vast majority of streams are indeed only in stereo or, at best, Pro Logic. As for Netflix and Google Play over the NP: I'm not sure what it streams as I've been on the road so much and haven't had the time with the NP to check it out. Some on these boards are saying that Netflix is only sending 2.0 LPCM on the Nexus right now. I'm sure someone else can chime in with more direct NP testing. If your main concern is getting a ripped media collection in 5.1 over an older receiver, the converter box applies. Otherwise, it does not.
Take care.
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I went to my TV manual, and confirmed that it does not send DD over optical from external HDMI, and none of the apps will give DD..... except Kodi. On the .mkvs I have that are encoded DD, Kodi appears to be passing 5.1 DD just fine through my TVs toslink. It is lighting up the DD light and coming through in surround, but so far its the only app I have found to do this. Neither netflix nor google movies nor any games I have found will light up DD.
Any thoughts on how further to test it or do you have any apps that should be DD? Can you confirm Google movies is in DD? I bought an HDMI converter tonight but cancelled the order until I figure out what is going on. Its not very impressive that Google left a lot of apps without DD.
volwrath said:
I went to my TV manual, and confirmed that it does not send DD over optical from external HDMI, and none of the apps will give DD..... except Kodi. On the .mkvs I have that are encoded DD, Kodi appears to be passing 5.1 DD just fine through my TVs toslink. It is lighting up the DD light and coming through in surround, but so far its the only app I have found to do this. Neither netflix nor google movies nor any games I have found will light up DD.
Any thoughts on how further to test it or do you have any apps that should be DD? Can you confirm Google movies is in DD? I bought an HDMI converter tonight but cancelled the order until I figure out what is going on. Its not very impressive that Google left a lot of apps without DD.
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The same here Kodi is the only app passing DD and DTS everything else including plex does stereo only.
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The same here Kodi is the only app passing DD and DTS everything else including plex does stereo only.
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This may be the biggest issue with the NP to date! Even the older GoogleTV passed DD.
So just installed my np, hdmi to tv then optical from tv to receiver. And the tv is not detecting 5.1 with google play movies and nexus player in general.
My tv passesthrough 5.1, and everything else works just fine (xbox, top box, blu ray) .
Am i missing something ? Setting or what not ?
Any help is appreciated
I can get SPMC (and XBMC Kodi) to pass the audio bitstream, only DD and DTS, I don't see any signs of DTS-HD or Dolby TrueHD, the options are just not there in XBMC like they are in the PC version, maybe Android is not ready to bitstream HD audio formats?
But ... is the Netflix app supposed to do DD+ on the NP? I tried playing a few movies from Netflix that I know can do DD+ and the only audio options I see are 2 channels.
So far it's fairly disappointing that it's so hard to get bitstreaming to work correctly over HDMI. Gotta love HDCP.
Can you check if movies from the play store are working with surround sound ?
I tried a couple of movies from the Play Store and my AVR shows "Multi Ch. In" so it looks like it does PCM rather than DD+ bitstreaming. Plex also seems to do the same "Multi Ch. In", but the Netflix app is only 2 channels. I tried the same Netflix movie via a Vizio TV Netflix app and it does DD+ and also via an HTPC, so I know the movie is available in DD+, but I can't get the Netflix app on the GNP to do it.
I'm not a fan of the GNP thus far, it doesn't seem ready. Mine is being sent back most likely. Amazon has a sale on the Fire TV box for $69. If Netflix and XBMC/SPMC work right, that's all I need out of these boxes, everything else is a bonus.
Whatever i tried i couldnt get surround whatsoever. System wide, nothing gave me surround audio. Dont know if this thing needs a special connection method as opposed to a pass through the tv.
Has anyone had luck with surround audio? For any app ?
I think I may know what's going on: the optical connection doesn't have enough bandwidth to pass 5.1 PCM channels, there's enough for 2 channels only. Now if the NP sent say compressed 5.1 DD *and* your TV actually passed through from HDMI to optical (many TVs don't), you could get 5.1 on the optical. But it seems that the NP outputs 5.1 PCM over HDMI.
If your AVR has HDMI you can try connecting the NP directly to the AVR.
Hi,
Please, someone could tell me why I have no 5.1 surround on my 2015 NVS when I watch Netflix or Amazon?
I can get 5.1 sound when I watch a 5.1 movie with Archos player.
If I watch Netflix or Amazon directly on my tv the sound is 5.1.
Thanks
Depends of you receiver, connections etc. Needs to be Dolby Digital Plus compatible for Netflix I believe, through HDMI. If a USB -> Optical dongle is used for example, you'll have 5.1 in Kodi and other apps for Dolby Digital and DTS, but won't get 5.1 in Netflix.
How is everything plugged?
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Depends of you receiver, connections etc. Needs to be Dolby Digital Plus compatible for Netflix I believe, through HDMI. If a USB -> Optical dongle is used for example, you'll have 5.1 in Kodi and other apps for Dolby Digital and DTS, but won't get 5.1 in Netflix.
How is everything plugged?
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Thank you for your answer.
So the connections as follows: NVS is connected through HDMI to 4K LG TV. TV is optical connected to Sony receiver. As I told before, If I watch Netflix, Amazon on TV apps , the sound is ok. 5.1 . Also, if I watch a 5.1 movie with Archos player ( only) on my NVS , the sound is also ok.
technoguy09 said:
Thank you for your answer.
So the connections as follows: NVS is connected through HDMI to 4K LG TV. TV is optical connected to Sony receiver. As I told before, If I watch Netflix, Amazon on TV apps , the sound is ok. 5.1 . Also, if I watch a 5.1 movie with Archos player ( only) on my NVS , the sound is also ok.
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That won't work, optical's bandwidth is ok for DD, but isn't sufficient for DD+ (which is the only format used by Netflix's app on the NVS).
Small extract from wikipedia:
"Physical transport for consumer devices:
IEC 61937-3: defines how to transmit Dolby Digital (AC-3) and Dolby Digital Plus (E-AC-3) bitstreams via an IEC 60958/61937 (S/PDIF) interface. However, the S/PDIF interface has insufficient bandwidth to transport Dolby Digital Plus (E-AC-3) bitstreams at the 3.0Mbit/s datarate specified by HD DVD; lower datarates are possible.
Dolby Digital Plus may be transmitted across HDMI 1.3 or newer, according to IEC 61937-3"
My understanding is that you have a 4k TV, you have the NVS (obviously 4k), but your receiver is HDMI 1.3 (1080p).
3 Options for you:
- Watch in 1080p with the shield connected to the receiver, enjoying 5.1
- Watch 4k with Shield directly to TV, but without 5.1
- Upgrade to a HDMI 2.0 compliant receiver to enjoy it all!
A lot of people went through this after upgrading to 4K, including myself!!