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Hello all,
Following XDA for years, but wasn't posting that much. My apologize for that, trying to give my contributions now
So, to start, hereunder, a sum up of my recent tests over last German ICS rom, Stock XXLRG.
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This is the second version of this post, taking in account various comments so far.
Firtsly, this is aimed to share my feelings about my own experience. Hope this could help anyone in anything. Nothing more
Accordingly to Roy_W, I provide which I will call my "test phase" description at the end of post, as simple infos for you to better make your opinion according to your own use. It is not about precise calculations & results, but about comparing the same things.
Hope this helps.
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Tests
1. Stock LRG + Stock Kernel, No root
2. Stock LRG + Stock Kernel + Root + remove some samsung apps.
3. Stock LRG + Speedmod 3-7 + remove some samsung apps
4. Stock LRG + CF-Root LRG + remove some samsung apps.
Impressions
1. In my opinion, do not use this setup. Rom feels very laggy, many little freeze here and there but the must annoying is the battery drain and heat while wifi download.
I think this is due to screen ON + heavy download (1GB+, games like Max Payne or Nova)
Pen is not well reponsive also.
Note : Except in test 3, there should be no difference with pen responsiveness between 1,2 and 3. but that was the case to me. Dunno why ^^
2. Starting to feel better, due to the removal of some Samsung apps (Rooting should not have this kind of effect .
Complete list of removed applications at the end of this post.
The phone is more responsive, lesser lags, but other things from test 1 (battery drain, pen responsiveness) remains the same.
3. Very good setup.
Lags are mostly gone, and Pen responsiveness is far better.
Don't know if Speedmod have done some special work for that, or is just due to his overall tweaks. I think it is also related to Samsung S-Suite updates. (look at test 4)
Good battery, feels like it could be better but mostly due to Samsung Roms than kernel. With normal use (sms, few calls, internet, XDA app , new review, some always active sync like Weather, Gmail, Talk, ...), you can easily achieve 2 days (48h) before running out of juice.
Also lesser memory consumption in idle (maybe related to samsung apps that were removed)
But, bluetooth was not working and since it is a must have for me, I needed to go to test 4.
4. Currently in test. Don't have my bluetooth headset with me, so this test will be updated tonight or tomorrow for feedback about battery, bluetooth and other.
So far, overall responsiveness of the phone is ok, but not as good as with Speedmod.
Maybe a placebo ( ), but I always felt that Chainfire's kernel is behaving a little better than stock one even if the only difference is root rights.
Also lesser memory consumption in idle (maybe related to samsung apps that were removed)
Samsung Removed Apps
Always doing this since my GS. It always make the system smoother to me. Can't tell about battery save.
- All Hubs (Reader, Music, ...)
- All apps related to hubs. (Zinio, Press reader, kobo...are examples of ones eating too much storage space).
- the big one : Samsung social Hub (2 apks)
- All stock live wallpaper (storage space eater)
I did not removed the Kies apps, since there were never launched, do not bother me and was having some weird warnings about missing apks while trying.
I advised to keep All Share (which is functionnal and useful for cross hardware connection) and Samsung Apps (but deactivate sync from app settings)
Go also for setting, and deactivate Wifi sync for system updates (About Phone -> System updates).
I did not test NOTECore kernel which has good feedback (3.1 version) because of the bluetooth not working.
Test Phase
Mostly due to my work, I have quitely the same daily use.
- Kernel were flashed the morning, at full charge, with cache/dalvik cache wipe.
- Only 3G, no Wifi/GPS/Blutooth. Auto Brightness, no added/removed apps (except for tests cases above).
- Betterbattery stats, stock battery monitor and Go power master for battery monitoring
- Facebook sync off (for battery save)
- Gmail sync on
- Google+ sync & Instant Upload off (for battery save)
- Weather sync every 4 hours
- Samsung apps sync off (for battery save)
- 1h call
- Gtalk & Whatsapp always connected
- No Flash installed (feels like I should mention this)
- No kills or memory clean
- Fixed wallpaper (for battery save) & lesser lags for screens transitions and opened drawer using NOVA.
What I take into account while making my opinion about battery :
- screen on time versus battery lost for the same period of time. Having used different 720p androphones, I have my own appreciation of that.
For 2000mah full charged batteries in my use with full stock, 2-3h screen on time is really bad, 3-5h should be considered as a good average, 6h+ is a dream.
GNote has a 2500 maH battery, so I have my expectation and maybe that's why I feel bad battery bahaviour when it won't hurt you at all.
- if apps were differently used by me according to their respective impact on battery
- if the basic services of Android are stable towards battery (custom kernels often reduce that )
- any wake locks
- if battery seems not affected by side-effects like mentionned above, then wait for one week of use before stating.
What I take into account while making my opinion about smoothness:
It is about shutters between screens transition, apps transition, feeling about time for the usual apps to be launched, multitasking...nothing more that a simple user feelings
Bests
thanks for the tests... but we prefer the wiping tests... just kidding...
thanks for the info,
which method do you use to remove these apps please ?
Haha..only wipe caches & dalvik from speedmod and CF kernel. I won't take any rosk from stock kernel
For system apps removal, jusy need root and titanium backup
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CF-root and stock kernels are identical. No tweaks. Nada. Just root and Clockworkmod recovery.
So, how can the phone lag with stock kernel and be OK with CF-root ???
Placebo ?
Maybe related to the init scripts. For sure the main thing is the root with this kernel but wihin these tests and also for all samsung devices I had with Cf, it were always behaving better.
As I also said, should be related to samsung apps removal, especially the hubs.
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Phenryth said:
Hello all,
Following XDA for years, but wasn't posting that much. My apologize for that, trying to give my contributions now
So, to start, hereunder, a sum up of my recent tests over last German ICS rom, Stock XXLRG.
Hope this helps some of you.
Tests
1. Stock LRG + Stock Kernel, No root
2. Stock LRG + Stock Kernel + Root + remove some samsung apps.
3. Stock LRG + Speedmod 3-7 + remove some samsung apps
4. Stock LRG + CF-Root LRG + remove some samsung apps.
Impressions
1. In my opinion, do not use this setup. Rom feels very laggy, many little freeze here and there but the must annoying is the battery drain and heat while wifi download.
I think this is due to screen ON + heavy download (1GB+, gamers like Max Payne or Nova)
Pen is not well reponsive also.
2. Starting to feel better, due to the removal of some Samsung apps.
Complete list of removed applications at the end of this post.
The phone is more responsive, lesser lags, but other things from test 1 (battery drain, pen responsiveness) remains the same.
3. Very good setup.
Lags are mostly gone, and Pen responsiveness is far better.
Don't know if Speedmod have done some special work for that, or is just due to his overall tweaks. I think it is also related to Samsung S-Suite updates. (look at test 4)
Good battery, feels like it could be better but mostly due to Samsung Roms than kernel. With normal use (sms, few calls, internet, XDA app , new review, some always active sync like FB, Weather, Gmail, Talk, ...), you can easily achieve 2 days (48h) before running out of juice.
Also lesser memory consumption in idle (also related to samsung apps that were removed)
But, bluetooth was not working and since it is a must have for me, I needed to go to test 4.
4. Currently in test. Don't have my bluetooth headset with me, so this test will be updated tonight or tomorrow for feedback about battery, bluetooth and other.
So far, overall responsiveness of the phone is ok, but not as good as with Speedmod.
Should be related to various tweaks, and ChainFire always aimed to provide his kernels, with Root and few tweaks.
I had GS, GS2, and CF kernels were always really nice for those looking to a Rom not too far from Stock, but with some performance tweaks and root.
Also lesser memory consumption in idle (also related to samsung apps that were removed)
BUT, having some troubles with NOVA with this setup. Several freezes, and needs to restart the launcher.
I think it is related to root access which needs to be set again coming from Speedmod to CF. Will keep you informed.
Samsung Removed Apps
Always doing this since my GS. It always make the system fly
- All Hubs (Reader, Music, ...)
- All apps related to hubs. (Zinio, Press reader, kobo...are examples of ones eating too much storage space).
- the big one : Samsung social Hub (2 apks)
- All stock live wallpaper (storage space eater)
I did not removed the Kies apps, since there were never launched, do not bother me and was having some weird warnings about missing apks while trying.
I advised to keep All Share (which is functionnal and useful for cross hardware connection) and Samsung Apps (but deactivate sync from app settings)
Go also for setting, and deactivate Wifi sync for system updates (About Phone -> System updates).
I did not test NOTECore kernel which has good feedback (3.1 version) because of the bluetooth not working.
Hope this helps.
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Got to be honest I disagree with a lot thats written here.
Point 1 :- Why shouldn´t we use this set up??You might have or had problems but a lot of other users don`t,me being one of them.I have had NO laggs,my battery doesn´t heat up that much with WiFi,nothing freezes and the battery life is 100% top,all what you did in Point 3 with usage I get in Point 1 plus a few hours more.
Point 2 :- Once again I disagree,I´ve had no problems what so ever,only rooted for a few extra apps and removed NONE of the Samsung apps,still fast and smooth.Battery life still top,even upto 3 day usage depending on what I´m doing.
Point 3 and 4.....can´t say anything about these points because I won´t go this far,why should I ,everything is super fast,no laggs,a lot less battery drain:good: no need for any mods.(bluetooth also works )
Maybe I´m one of the lucky ones with a good Note :laugh:but this report won`t help me,maybe a few with problems.
Hi I think you don't agree wih my report cause of different perceptions between you and I.
Battery perf is linked to what is acceptable or not for both of us and also from various comparison through many flashes since GB.
And for sure, Linked to the type of use we both have.
It is the same for smoothness. I must say I am very sensible to lags and freezes even milliseconds one For instance, I am so maniac with it that I can detect a lag in a movie while no one noticed around me.
Plus, you can tell about many things to explain mobile OS perf and I will not accept this since I can not accept that a phone running a spec near to a PC ones, suffers such perf issues.
The best example is the smoothness experienced with my nexus with Jellybean against ICS. It is day and night.
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Thanks OP for the comparison :victory:
Good initiative from OP for the comparison. Each person use the Note in a different way and will have different results surely from OP. But the main point of this thread was to give us a basic idea on the different setups OP has used. Thanks!
Thanx for making thread with detail study, thogh i can not be agree with many of statements.
Here something i like to say
- There is nothing much difference between test 1 & 2 except you have Root and removed some applications.
So does it mean
*Rooting can improve performance - I dont think so
*Removing application just making space on system ROM, so does making room on system ROM, can increase performance? I dont think so
many application you have removed may not be activated on start, naturally that doesn't have any relation with performance, b'coz it just occupy space not RAM
Now some application which may have enabled on boot, even that gives you temporary extra RAM, As android itself have LMK(low memory killer) which auto kills background applications which is not in used - LRU(least recently used), and when there is enough RAM available, even you exit from applications it remains in background for quike reopening, that is basic android mechanism. So if your aim to remove some application to make available more RAM, it won't be fulfilled, b'coz that application will be replaced by recently used application by users till android system dont sense as RAM is full. (you ca test it - when you have many applications removed, sure you will have much free RAM on boot, but if you look again after 15 min of play with device, it will be again full, same as who dont have remove blotwares, so wat benefits we got by removing those?)
Yes atleast i can say applications which was running in background for some time can consume little juice, but if you believe me, my experience is it can save maximum 3-4%(of full cycle) nothing more than that. But performance? I dont have any logic to believe it.
-I can't comment on test 3, as i have never used any custom kernel, and leaving your opinion untouched.
-Again between 2 and 4
yes you have also not tested much, but somewat if your opinion goes in favor of 4 (as you said in 1&2 responce is not good but in test 4 you saying it is OK) then if i am not wrong chainfire himself said, his kernel is complete stock (minus mmc_erase_cap command +root+su binary+CWM)
so in that case your opinion may not be placebo?
Anyway dear don't feel bad. appreciate your workout, but some points which i said dont favor me to agree completely.
Regards
I think my note must have been XXLRG when I got it but after trying to do some rooting things and bricking it, then finally loading XXLR1 (ICS) It is working great with no lag or freezing what so ever. Also have scored up to 4050 on Quadrant!
Da mOnKeY said:
Got to be honest I disagree with a lot thats written here.
Point 1 :- Why shouldn´t we use this set up??You might have or had problems but a lot of other users don`t,me being one of them.I have had NO laggs,my battery doesn´t heat up that much with WiFi,nothing freezes and the battery life is 100% top,all what you did in Point 3 with usage I get in Point 1 plus a few hours more.
Point 2 :- Once again I disagree,I´ve had no problems what so ever,only rooted for a few extra apps and removed NONE of the Samsung apps,still fast and smooth.Battery life still top,even upto 3 day usage depending on what I´m doing.
Point 3 and 4.....can´t say anything about these points because I won´t go this far,why should I ,everything is super fast,no laggs,a lot less battery drain:good: no need for any mods.(bluetooth also works )
Maybe I´m one of the lucky ones with a good Note :laugh:but this report won`t help me,maybe a few with problems.
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I have to agree with this post. I didn't recognize any of the problems stated in the 1st option. I am currently running stock everything after having tried several different combinations of ROMS/Kernels.
There is also a lot of missing information in relation to what exact tests were performed and how they were measured : Whats apps were running at the time, were Wifi / GPS / Power Saving active, what was the state of the battery, how was "lag" measured, what brightness setting was used, Was a good 3g station nearby or was the telephone continually searching for a stronger signal, etc etc etc , The list could go on eternally.
As for anything batttery related, I do not understand how tests can be performed that have not been run over a relatively long period.
There are far too many parameters and options possible, that it would appear that the tests are merely personal interpretation.
I appreciate that you have taken the time and effort to do the testing but I am not convinced that the results can be treated as anything other than one persons thoughts at a given time.
I think that you can only perform these kind of tests when they are performed "identically" on a device that is reset from scratch and that the tests performed are measurable with precise calculation rather than the human eye/sentiment.
It is an almost impossible achievement outside of a qualified environment with a very strict set of controls.
Can the results be reproduced, is there any possibility that the results could change, would a third party be able to reproduce the same results ?
Unless of course detailed results and calculations are actually available, in which case it would be very interesting to be able read them.
Hi Dr. Ketan. Again, thanks for your guide, test 1 & 2 was done following it
Do not worry, I won't feel bad about your feedback, as for the previous one.
For sure, I think you and Chainfire knows that type of things better than me (no needs to tell why ^^), just reporting here my feelings over my tests.
*Rooting can improve performance - I dont think so
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Think the same.
*Removing application just making space on system ROM, so does making room on system ROM, can increase performance? I dont think so
many application you have removed may not be activated on start, naturally that doesn't have any relation with performance, b'coz it just occupy space not RAM
Now some application which may have enabled on boot, even that gives you temporary extra RAM, As android itself have LMK(low memory killer) which auto kills background applications which is not in used - LRU(least recently used), and when there is enough RAM available, even you exit from applications it remains in background for quike reopening, that is basic android mechanism. So if your aim to remove some application to make available more RAM, it won't be fulfilled, b'coz that application will be replaced by recently used application by users till android system dont sense as RAM is full.
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Removing samsung apps does not affect that much battery, but smoothness. I certainly wrongly express myself.
Maybe CF kernel has nothing to do with it since I was always flashing this and removing the hubs (especially the social one) together.
But fore sure, since my galaxy S, even on the S2, and now on the NOTE, doing this does increase system smoothness.
I do not know that much about Android memory system managment, but the first time I've done this was because I was sick about seeing these services running in background, even without ever launching them once and it does consume memory.
Yes atleast i can say applications which was running in background for some time can consume little juice, but if you believe me, my experience is it can save maximum 3-4%(of full cycle) nothing more than that.
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I believe you without any problems
You know the deal, 1% here and there...at the end, it saves some battery.
I will update my post, but I can now say that Speedmod provides better battery than Stock/CF, looking at my battery stats for today.
Roy_W said:
I have to agree with this post. I didn't recognize any of the problems stated in the 1st option. I am currently running stock everything after having tried several different combinations of ROMS/Kernels.
There is also a lot of missing information in relation to what exact tests were performed and how they were measured : Whats apps were running at the time, were Wifi / GPS / Power Saving active, what was the state of the battery, how was "lag" measured, what brightness setting was used, Was a good 3g station nearby or was the telephone continually searching for a stronger signal, etc etc etc , The list could go on eternally.
As for anything batttery related, I do not understand how tests can be performed that have not been run over a relatively long period.
There are far too many parameters and options possible, that it would appear that the tests are merely personal interpretation.
I appreciate that you have taken the time and effort to do the testing but I am not convinced that the results can be treated as anything other than one persons thoughts at a given time.
I think that you can only perform these kind of tests when they are performed "identically" on a device that is reset from scratch and that the tests performed are measurable with precise calculation rather than the human eye/sentiment.
It is an almost impossible achievement outside of a qualified environment with a very strict set of controls.
Can the results be reproduced, is there any possibility that the results could change, would a third party be able to reproduce the same results ?
Unless of course detailed results and calculations are actually available, in which case it would be very interesting to be able read them.
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Many good hints in your posts.
For sure, I've made my tests with some knwoledge about that, and trying to be in the same scenario each time.
I will update my post towards the parameters activated and other you stated.
Thanx
yes custom kernel may have improvement, b'coz that is made for that purpose, and we know developer adds some tweaks to improve performance. though i have not tested it, i can be agree on that point. but i have not make review just b'coz i have not used.
Regards.
Phenryth said:
Many good hints in your posts.
For sure, I've made my tests with some knwoledge about that, and trying to be in the same scenario each time.
I will update my post towards the parameters activated and other you stated.
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Phenryth,
I look forward to your results, the basic idea of what you are doing has the potential of becoming a very interesting article.
These are tests without any statistical significance.
So in the end your heart or gut decided.
Everyone has there own view on how their phone should perform. If you are happy with it then there is no need to change it. If not then this guide provides some tips on how to improve it.
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To me for the first time ever since the ICS was introduced the 1- setup is absolutely the best I have tried, and I did try all four of them including removing Samsung bloatware.
The touch response is super sensitive, the pen works not just perfect but it also marks when in a diagonal position something never happened before, my one and only complain is the same one since seven months: the lag which comes when opening the Contacts application for the first time ,which is absolute outrageous other than that I am satisfied.
Hi Guys,
I am a new Note 4 user, I've had note 2 before. Recently I have used Z3, OneplusOne and S5, which in my opinion other than the S5, the phones were smooth and laggieness was non existence. I have since changed to the Note 4 and immediately I have realised that even in the kitkat (currently running lollipop) that the phone lags when changing between the programs, turning on the camera, or even after a picture has been taken it takes a while to get to respond. Hardwar-wise I believe the Note 4 is very respective and I can only blame this on the software. I have since upgraded to lollipop and I must say the performance is no different than before. Could anyone tell me without rooting and installing a modified rom, is there a way to increase the smoothness of the phone? it is because of the bloatware? how to de-bloat? or is it just how it is?
Thanks
Patrick
the better is a clean installation and after that come back and report any issue's
Thanks vagenrider but this issue was already apparent when I first used the phone right out of the box and noticed the lag.
pplwu said:
Thanks vagenrider but this issue was already apparent when I first used the phone right out of the box and noticed the lag.
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hi,
I can say this,
that i had my Note4 (N910F rooted, stock Rom.) since October 2014 till now.
Overall i had little or no "lag" of note. (apart from Recent button plus an setting issue.. minor )
Over this period of time, if i found/noticed a bit of "lag" and i found culprit, causing the problem, I would uninstall app,
i also noticed, so far that it has always been a 3rd party (badly coded.. or on lollipop the app was not "playing" nicely.. etc etc)
So overall.... when i was on Android v 4.4.4 or now on Lollipop my device has been working fine.. battery use, been good, very, very smooth
So all i can say, if you have issues it is either you have a faulty device or an app/combination of apps causing lag.or setting issue
I have stated this, in many of my post that i have following devices.. on hand
Note 4, Note 3,Note 8.0 (tab) Note 2 and they all running fine..( 100% satisfaction)
Bottom line
is that i think i am in a good position to state that my Note 4 compares 100%plus, with my Note3(which is a very very, good device, smooth no lag, etc etc)
Above is just my opinion and i hope that you can sort out your device
Good luck
pplwu said:
Hi Guys,
I am a new Note 4 user, I've had note 2 before. Recently I have used Z3, OneplusOne and S5, which in my opinion other than the S5, the phones were smooth and laggieness was non existence. I have since changed to the Note 4 and immediately I have realised that even in the kitkat (currently running lollipop) that the phone lags when changing between the programs, turning on the camera, or even after a picture has been taken it takes a while to get to respond. Hardwar-wise I believe the Note 4 is very respective and I can only blame this on the software. I have since upgraded to lollipop and I must say the performance is no different than before. Could anyone tell me without rooting and installing a modified rom, is there a way to increase the smoothness of the phone? it is because of the bloatware? how to de-bloat? or is it just how it is?
Thanks
Patrick
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I am having the same issues with my device. I've had it with both lollipop and KK. I've had multiple ROMS (all stock). I've done fresh installs, cleaned cache, disabled apps, and completely run with none of my apps installed. All the same issues, as you've mentioned. I'm thinking of returning my note 4 if they don't fix it by 5.1.1 or August. This device cost way too much for these kinds of issues... :-\
zkyevolved said:
I am having the same issues with my device. I've had it with both lollipop and KK. I've had multiple ROMS (all stock). I've done fresh installs, cleaned cache, disabled apps, and completely run with none of my apps installed. All the same issues, as you've mentioned. I'm thinking of returning my note 4 if they don't fix it by 5.1.1 or August. This device cost way too much for these kinds of issues... :-\
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pplwu said:
Hi Guys,
I am a new Note 4 user, I've had note 2 before. Recently I have used Z3, OneplusOne and S5, which in my opinion other than the S5, the phones were smooth and laggieness was non existence. I have since changed to the Note 4 and immediately I have realised that even in the kitkat (currently running lollipop) that the phone lags when changing between the programs, turning on the camera, or even after a picture has been taken it takes a while to get to respond. Hardwar-wise I believe the Note 4 is very respective and I can only blame this on the software. I have since upgraded to lollipop and I must say the performance is no different than before. Could anyone tell me without rooting and installing a modified rom, is there a way to increase the smoothness of the phone? it is because of the bloatware? how to de-bloat? or is it just how it is?
Thanks
Patrick
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About debloating:
Without root you cannot really debloat the rom. You can only try to holding every app you don't need and drag&drop on touch wiz launcher and drag&drop it to "app details". New window with details will be prompted and you can delete or deactivate the app. This is everything you can do on stock to debloat.
About the main problem:
Also here without root and custom rom I could only suggest to try following:
Go to Settings app.
Scroll down to device information.
Tap few times (I think 5 times shoul it be) on build number to activate developer options.
Go back to main screen of settings, scroll down to developer options and open them.
So from here you can try to change following values:
- Force GPU rendering
- Turn off hardware overlays
- lower values for animations (all three) or just set them to zero if you don't need them. That gives really bounce speed (but mainly just for eyes, it doesn't really chages overall performance of device, just little bit maybe)
The nagtive thing of GPU and harware overlay is little bit higher the battery drain then usual.
vbaschen said:
About debloating:
Without root you cannot really debloat the rom. You can only try to holding every app you don't need and drag&drop on touch wiz launcher and drag&drop it to "app details". New window with details will be prompted and you can delete or deactivate the app. This is everything you can do on stock to debloat.
About the main problem:
Also here without root and custom rom I could only suggest to try following:
Go to Settings app.
Scroll down to device information.
Tap few times (I think 5 times shoul it be) on build number to activate developer options.
Go back to main screen of settings, scroll down to developer options and open them.
So from here you can try to change following values:
- Force GPU rendering
- Turn off hardware overlays
- lower values for animations (all three) or just set them to zero if you don't need them. That gives really bounce speed (but mainly just for eyes, it doesn't really chages overall performance of device, just little bit maybe)
The nagtive thing of GPU and harware overlay is little bit higher the battery drain then usual.
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Thanks for that!! I've just done the above, will use this setting for a while and see how it goes.
Hi Guys, after applying vbaschen's suggestion I believe the phone has improved in terms of window changing and smoothness in operation. Battery discharge hasn't affected me that much given the battery has always lasted an entire day of heavy use and I plug it in everynight. I would recommend this quick mod. Thanks again vbaschen.
vbaschen said:
About debloating:
Without root you cannot really debloat the rom. You can only try to holding every app you don't need and drag&drop on touch wiz launcher and drag&drop it to "app details". New window with details will be prompted and you can delete or deactivate the app. This is everything you can do on stock to debloat.
About the main problem:
Also here without root and custom rom I could only suggest to try following:
Go to Settings app.
Scroll down to device information.
Tap few times (I think 5 times shoul it be) on build number to activate developer options.
Go back to main screen of settings, scroll down to developer options and open them.
So from here you can try to change following values:
- Force GPU rendering
- Turn off hardware overlays
- lower values for animations (all three) or just set them to zero if you don't need them. That gives really bounce speed (but mainly just for eyes, it doesn't really chages overall performance of device, just little bit maybe)
The nagtive thing of GPU and harware overlay is little bit higher the battery drain then usual.
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Right on. I was going to recommend reducing the animation values as well as that is usually the case. Hope it helped!
Androidious said:
Right on. I was going to recommend reducing the animation values as well as that is usually the case. Hope it helped!
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I went for a completely different solution: the Note 4's Snapdragon cpu has the bad habit of heating up very quickly. Two or three minutes of heavy usage (gaming/emulation, or worst: piles of file operations, e.g. media scanner) make it shoot up to 85° C. To prevent serious damage, the cpu is then automatically scaled down to extremely low values, which results in abysmal performance. When I first unboxed my N910F and inserted my old sdcard, the media scanner went haywire because my sdcard was faulty (works alright in my old Note 2, but the Note 4 is picky). The phone quickly got too hot to even touch, ran sluggish as hell (AnTuTu scores between 24000 and 29000), then shut itself down. :crying:
After I had replaced the sdcard, things got better, but only when I didn't put too much load on the phone: 52000 AnTuTu points in the morning (first thing to do with the cold phone), but getting worse steadily until I couldn't score more than 43000 points.
Now, after a lot of fiddling and tweaking (Kitkat, Lollipop, Stock, Custom, CM 12.1), I finally settled for (Lollipop) Emotion Revolution R8 ROM along with the Emotion nightly kernel (r17) and (most important) Synapse kernel tweaker. Instead of overclocking the blasted thing even more, I actually downclocked it one step (2572,8 MHz). The result: a rock stable phone that actually runs way better than with the higher (stock) clock rate. The cpu hardly ever scratches 70° C, and usually stays around 65° C even when I run demanding apps like PPSSPP, Dosbox, or Real Racing 3 (don't like that one, but it beats the s**t out of the cpu - 85° with stock cpu clock!). AnTuTu scores reach about 51500 - almost as much as with stock clock rate - but several times in a row now, with no performance hit. So, even though the peak performance may be one or two percent lower, I can run my phone for hours without any performance drops. Oh, and it's good for battery life, of course. :good:
So, if you're rooted, you may want to give it a shot. :fingers-crossed:
Hi all,
Currently looking for an upgrade from my Moto G and have a specific list of requirements (long-ish battery life, cheap-ish, ideally fast charging, ideally ANT+, ideally waterproof, accurate GPS for tracking runs) which the S5 seems to meet well. Only thing I dont think I could live with is TouchWiz (and the assosciated lag I would expect it would bring with it).
My question: how is CM running on these devices with regards stability and force closes etc. Can live with a small dip in camera quality and having never had a fingerprint scanner I wont miss it but really need a rock solid, stable device. Is there a better alternative out there (am also closely considering the Zuk - but not waterproof and possibly patchy GPS - and the Moto X Play - slightly more expensive and reports of lag)?
I'm currently running CM13 on my KLTE, and it honestly seems fine.
Battery life is just under 4hrs SOT.
It charges pretty fast IMO (About an hour and a little bit with a constant 1800mA @ 4.5V)
Though was I've read in a quick Google search is that CM doesn't support ANT+ ever since the s4 branch.
Never had issues when the phone's been blessed with water, Its a pretty tight seal all around.
GPS is accurate. I usually get a fix within the first ten seconds. Mind you I use GPS Status to download AGPS info to help.
I rarely get force closes but there are the occasional soft reboots with the phone, which seems to put it in a boot-loop when it does. But that could be my configuration of Xposed and other modifications that do that.
i dont like the in-use battery life at all, deep sleep life is insanely improved on CM13 i assume due to doze, you can buy third party extra large batteries that are also a replacement for the back cover
cm-12.1-20151226-NIGHTLY-klte = quite stable, think i had only a couple minor bugs, no crashes, my baseband is a little old, i tried some gps app from fdroid during a walk & it was as if the calibration kept changing... i passed the same spot more than once, it would be too far north one time then too far southeast another time & so on, but maybe it was storing literal data points (some other apps, especially map apps i would assume they might auto align themselves to roads), crashed the camera when using opencamera too fast or switching between it & stock camera, opencamera couldnt do 60 or 120fps videos even though the option was set
cm-13.0-20160116-NIGHTLY-klte = turning flashlight off kills camera (& the flashlight tile) until reboot, i was going through menus fast or something, the status bar crashed & then soft reboot was frozen on the loading face icon, i was hoping snapdragoncamera was enabled cuz i see it in changelogs, but i still see stock camera unfortunately...
charging is quite fast, from 0 to ~80% at least (this is normal for about every device anyway)
i havent tried any other versions yet, i dont have gapps, only been web browsing in lightning browser (from fdroid), trying kernel adiutor, notepad, little bit of camera, i dont have a SIM card yet, hope it works fine...
i believe i saw a modified TW rom that keeps the TW framework, but visually tries to be AOSP, the purpose of course is to be able to use the samsung camera & some of the other proprietary apps/features
My build is a KLTEusc smg900r4, with cm13, on first boot I had issues with the access points to the mobile network, but after I input one access point it found the rest on its own, only other issue is when sending long text messages it doesn't go through from some reason, overall very proud of it, much better than touchwiz
Hi, so I've had my G2 D800 model for a while (about a year or two), and for the most part, it's been an excellent phone despite being 3 years old now. Never had any slowdown problems, and it's always performed well in games and in general.
But just recently, about a week ago, it just started lagging out and being very, very slow.
For example, if I'm watching a YT video through the app, if I rotate the screen, it takes maybe 5-8 seconds to actually rotate. Also, in a lot of circumstances where the keyboard has to pop up, it just freezes the app until the keyboard pops up maybe 10 seconds later.
It's also just laggier in general in most apps, scrolling through FB or Twitter freezes nearly every second when I'm scrolling. It's generally unresponsive and sometimes just freezes outright. It also acts this way on the homescreen, and in most everything else.
The most annoying part, however, is that sometimes the devices just doesn't turn on for sometimes up to 15 seconds after pushing the power button (and it usually just refuses to turn on when using my knock code).
The odd part, however, is that once it's actually in something like a game, it performs perfectly fine.
I've played a number of Cardboard games, as well as games like Nova 3, and it performs perfectly.
I've also ran multiple benchmarks (Geekbench, 3DMark, etc), and it scores around where it should.
Info about the device:
LG G2 D800
Stock Lollipop 5.0.2
Software Ver. D80030f
Kernel Ver. 3.4.0
Rooted
TWRP Recovery installed
XPosed Lollipop installed
G3 Tweaks installed, a number of tweaks applied
Everything else is stock (homescreen, etc)
What I've tried/checked:
Checked memory usage during "lag sessions", rarely dips below 300mb free
Changing minfree values through Rom Toolbox (tried every preset, as well as setting everything to the max to free as much as possible)
Rebooting (affects nothing)
Checked CPU speed with Rom Toolbox (is at max, and does achieve the max speed of 2265 MHz. Setting it to performance mode/setting the min speed to be 2265 MHz has no effect, but reduces battery time)
Changed default cache sizr (tried every preset from 128kb to 4096kb. With multiple benchmarks, the optimal value for r/w bounced between 512kb and 4096kb, currently on 4096)
Things I have not tried (that I am aware would possibly have an affect):
Changing anything in the kernel tweaks/build.prop
Completely wiping, reformatting, and reinstalling (I really would rather avoid this if possible, as it would take a while to get everything back to what it is now, and it was a pain to upgrade to Lollipop in the first place)
I am unaware of anything else I could try to fix it, which is why I'm here
So, does anyone know of any other solutions or things to try? This has made my phone very unreliable, even for phone calls and messages, which is a problem.
Thank you for your time and help!
Jtpetch said:
Hi, so I've had my G2 D800 model for a while (about a year or two), and for the most part, it's been an excellent phone despite being 3 years old now. Never had any slowdown problems, and it's always performed well in games and in general.
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Hi,
First thing i need you to try out is this custom kernel : http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g2/development/lp-5-0-2-kernel-3-4-107-dorimanx-1-0-lg-t3102512
Then install greenify, and hibernate all the unnecessary apps.
This should solve the issue.
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Hi,
First thing i need you to try out is this custom kernel : http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g2/development/lp-5-0-2-kernel-3-4-107-dorimanx-1-0-lg-t3102512
Then install greenify, and hibernate all the unnecessary apps.
This should solve the issue.
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Thanks for the quick reply!
I'll try out greenify, though there aren't many unnecessary apps running (i uninstalled all the bloatware first thing, when I rooted).
And about the custom kernel, it's something I've never tried, so I have a couple questions.
Will it wipe my device, or break TWRP, root, or Xposed? (Sorry, didn't see the answer on that forum)
Will a TWRP backup I make be able to fully restore my device to it's current condition?
Is everything that is supported on my device be supported with that kernel? (Apps, etc. Don't know a whole lot about how kernels work, so I don't know)
Thank you!
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Thanks for the quick reply!
I'll try out greenify, though there aren't many unnecessary apps running (i uninstalled all the bloatware first thing, when I rooted).
And about the custom kernel, it's something I've never tried, so I have a couple questions.
Will it wipe my device, or break TWRP, root, or Xposed? (Sorry, didn't see the answer on that forum)
Will a TWRP backup I make be able to fully restore my device to it's current condition?
Is everything that is supported on my device be supported with that kernel? (Apps, etc. Don't know a whole lot about how kernels work, so I don't know)
Thank you!
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Even you uninstalled bloatware, the apps you use daily could be running in background and taking all those rams. So whenever you play a game or dont use a certain app, just go to greenify and hibernate. Since you have xposed installed, you can do more than that such as u can stop sync , etc.
About the kernel, it has a ram management settings and cron task.
Ram management dont need to be altered. It has some preset profile so if you seek performance, just choose performance or if u need battery , select battery profile etc.
Cron task is useful because it will do alot of things automatically. For example, it will release ram at certain amount of time from the apps , it will restart google play service since that could be an issue , etc.
All you need to do is take a nandroid backup just to be safe. Then download Dorimanx Ota from playstore and it will detect ur device and show u which version of kernel is available. Then download that, go to recovery, flash it, and you will see three app installed : Synapse -- will give you all the details of ur setup including cpu speed, temp etc for monitoring purposes
Dorimanx settings - this is the main settings of the kernel. You will see a P icon on top, tap it and choose your desired profile.
Color management : It is as the title says, just leave it be.
Then use your device, check your ram and report back. Hopefully it will resolve your issue.
Wow. Dorimanx did a lot more than I was expecting.
Downloaded the app, downloaded the kernel, flashed it no problem, went through and checked out synapse.
Went into the Dorimanx settings, and set it to the "Performance" profile.
Immediate improvement.
The whole phone seems a lot more snappy, and I switched back and forth between a 1080p60 YT video, facebook, and twitter with absolutely no problem.
Free memory when idle (no apps open) stays around 1gb; it used to be about 500mb before.
Tested a few games for the heck of it, and it actually seems to have improved game performance somehow. (It seems to have overclocked my CPU to 2.5ghz, though, so that makes sense.)
Temps stayed at around 58-60c while running a few Cardboard apps, so it seems fine.
Thanks for the help iubjaved! This has fixed my issue and then some! Ah, the wonders of the Android dev community.
Jtpetch said:
Wow. Dorimanx did a lot more than I was expecting.
Downloaded the app, downloaded the kernel, flashed it no problem, went through and checked out synapse.
Went into the Dorimanx settings, and set it to the "Performance" profile.
Immediate improvement.
The whole phone seems a lot more snappy, and I switched back and forth between a 1080p60 YT video, facebook, and twitter with absolutely no problem.
Free memory when idle (no apps open) stays around 1gb; it used to be about 500mb before.
Tested a few games for the heck of it, and it actually seems to have improved game performance somehow. (It seems to have overclocked my CPU to 2.5ghz, though, so that makes sense.)
Temps stayed at around 58-60c while running a few Cardboard apps, so it seems fine.
Thanks for the help iubjaved! This has fixed my issue and then some! Ah, the wonders of the Android dev community.
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No worries, happy to help. I gave you advice based upon my experience using all those .
Feel free to post in XDA if you need any sort of help, you will find many that will give you insights and stuff to solve your issue.
GL :good:
Hi
Just wondering how those running Stock Firmware 32.2.A.0.305 have found the phone to be working?
Any issues or improvements with:
- battery life
- overheating
- phone/wifi signal
- fingerprint sensor
- camera photo quality
- Bluetooth music jitter
Or anything else?
Thanks
R
I'm running Heptyle's kernel, .305 Custom DE and debloated with script.
I haven't reached conclusions yet but so far I think my battery life is better than .253
During app installation (clean installation) I got the feeling it ran less hot.
No further differences until now regarding to your other items.
I'm only going to run STOCK I'm not going to root the phone.
Nothing special here.
Volume for notifications got fixed. And security level is aug 2016 (shame on Sony)
The option to enable the google now pane in the Xperia Launcher (beta?) is back. Note that I did join that Google+ group for getting beta updates of the Launcher.
Camera format settings were reset for me after the upgrade. The version of the app is now 1.0.C.2.7 but I didn't check before the upgrade what it was.
So far it's been smooth, but nothing notably new.
Feels just about the same in all regards
I'm running 32.2.A.0.224 and heard bad things about .253 so have not updated.
I upgraded to the latest one (.305) from EE (UK) on Thursday, and accidently bricked the device (took over an hour to upgrade and so I forgot it was upgrading - d'oh) so have ended up with a clean install.
- battery life : At this time of the day I used to be at 52% (.253), currently 80% (has been off charge for 5 hours so far), was pretty poor for the first two days while Google Play music was hammering the WiFi connection downloading music (why can't it see what's already on the SD Card - argh!), but still an improvement of .253 which was appalling.
It used to be that Google Play Services and Android System were the top users by a country mile - today it's Screen (27%) and Beyond Pod (9%)
- overheating : Certainly running cooler
- phone/wifi signal : No issues before or since
- fingerprint sensor : No issues before or since
- camera photo quality : No issues before or since
- Bluetooth music jitter : As solid as it has been since the last upgrade, i.e. Bluetooth is problem free, Wired occasionally jitters approx 20 minutes after losing Wifi.
Or anything else?
WiFi Calling still temperamental (i.e. needing a reboot), less of an issue for me now I have VoLTE and new masts cover work and home better.
Thanks very much for that excellent and detailed response
I hope this will fix things. On .253 I'm having issues with the finger print scanner, saying hardware is unavailable after long periods of not using the phone. Also, the camera crashes when trying to take a video. gifs and videos on apps such as facebook or youtube doesn't play too. Restart fixes things but it's annoying that I have to do it at the start of the day, every single day. Would love to hear from somebody with same issues who upgraded from .253
I updated to this and done a factory reset (I always do this after installing new update). My device for more than 10 hours now has problem with volume.
If I play any music (on full volume) for more than 1 seconds the volume level is reduced dramatically. My phone has never been in contact with water or anything. As of now I have turned the phone off/on and still no difference. I have used Google Play, Spotify and the same problem occurs.
On the other hand it doesn't heat up. Battery life seems a tad better if I recall so far. Other than that no difference apart from a message I got about battery charging.
Seems to be the hearing protection. New build.prop in .305 is without persist.audio.hp entry. Just re-add it to build.prop (persist.audio.hp=false), reboot and should be working again (you need to be rooted).
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I updated to this and done a factory reset (I always do this after installing new update). My device for more than 10 hours now has problem with volume.
If I play any music (on full volume) for more than 1 seconds the volume level is reduced dramatically. My phone has never been in contact with water or anything. As of now I have turned the phone off/on and still no difference. I have used Google Play, Spotify and the same problem occurs.
On the other hand it doesn't heat up. Battery life seems a tad better if I recall so far. Other than that no difference apart from a message I got about battery charging.
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Di you have Root?
Ever have problems before?
Yes, I'm rooted (just check tobias waldvogels rootkernel thread), but you need to have unlocked bootloader first (don't forget to make TA backup!).
i found that the phone gets warm (more than previous firmware) when browsing the web using chrome.
i noticed that the sony email client doesnt check/update as quickly enough compared to previous firmware.
i did notice couple of things have been fixed, but my overall suspicion of this firmware is that it introduces more issues than it fixed.
also some kind of security has been introduced to stop you from hiding apps such as the quick apps bar.
im also curious why sony introduced that "battery optimization"? has it to do with maybe the batteries starting to bubble hence causing the back cover to crack? so by reducing the charge amount it sort of stops that from happening?
im also running stock firmware.
I would appreciate you come back w/ a review after a month of usage. If you have been using Android for a significant amount of time, then you know that it's always good in the beginning. I don't think much stock should be put in a review done after a day besides ease of installation and (maybe) initial impressions, imho
ive gone back to .253 firmware. this previous version seems to work much better on my australian z5 compact.
no heating issues. battery is better. email app works better etc. etc.
yes it does have the annoying low volume and a issue with the sms app (when trying to add certain photos). but overall to me it works better than .305 version.
harry_turtle said:
I'm running Heptyle's kernel, .305 Custom DE and debloated with script.
I haven't reached conclusions yet but so far I think my battery life is better than .253
During app installation (clean installation) I got the feeling it ran less hot.
No further differences until now regarding to your other items.
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Which Script you are using to debloat?
Baron1971 said:
Which Script you are using to debloat?
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A few weeks ago, I tried this. From @FcukBloat
But for me it didn't work. When I flashed, I got a message that the zip was corrupt (which I can't believe, and it's not the first time this happened). And I also had a problem with Online Nandroid, so in the end I had to redo it.
This time, I just did manually what the script should automate. Next time I'll figure out how to build it myself, if I'm smart enough.
So after a week of 305 vs 253 - I've managed to get through to the end of the day without needing to charge one or twice throughout the day every single day, the phone is running much cooler (i.e. most of the time there is no heat detectable), and is also less laggy, especially when launching the camera. Battery life is getting better by the day too - now at 60% (after being off charger for 12.5 hours) with Google Play Music, twitter, and an hour of MapMyWalk (so GPS usage) - on 253 I'd have been below 20% at this point of the day.
rossyl said:
I'm only going to run STOCK I'm not going to root the phone.
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im also going pure stock unrooted locked bootloader ,at least till warranty void anyway\ OR the phone become really slow for some reason, and root will help
example: this phone got only 2GB RAM which very bad multitasking , and heavy apps like CSR2 left my phone with only 200MB .
so i guess il need more Swapfile\Z-ram @1s
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BTW
305 still didn't released in my state anyone got idea how to check when it will come out? it is possible?