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hot CPU (75 C)

According to the System Tuner app, my CPU went up to 75 degrees Celsius while I was playing a track on Google Earth. I was running Earth for only a few minutes before it reached 75. I'm not sure if that's the peak yet...maybe it can go even higher.
I've seen several other threads about heat, but most people talk about 50s and 60s. Anyone reach 75C? The front and back of the phone, the top around the camera, were both very hot. It was almost uncomfortable to touch.
Again, I'm talking about 75 Celsius, not Fahrenheit. And I'm referring to CPU temperature according to System Tuner app, not battery temp. Anyone reach this?

picture plz.
the reason is bc someone did a stress test on the N4 and found that the device shuts down at ~57-59C (correct me if im wrong) to prevent damage to the hardware.
Edit: found the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=koLJ4BU9tgc

75ºC on a quad core?
I thought it was supposed to be more efficient than a dual core... 167ºF just seems like it's way hotter than any electronic device should ever be.
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My first gaming laptop was an ASUS Republic of Game first generation. They did a horrible job cooling the machine. During the 2 months before the machine failed, the GPU would reaches 110 - 140 C if I played games (then, of course, the machine turned the GPU off and still ran as everything else was still about 70-80 C)
When the machine did fail, I opened it up, and found 2 fried thermal unit, a fried GPU and a nearly fried HDD) Amazingly, the machine stills runs, as long as I don't load GPU driver
Well, that's the story. Back to OP, as you see, if the temp is too high, you device can be literally fried. So if you turn off the thermal throttle, please enable it back on and do you best to keep your device cool

I tried to replicate just now and could only go up to 63c. I don't want to keep trying based on the comments here so far. If it happens again I'll be sure to get a screen shot and be aware of what's running.
Where would the thermal throttle toggle exist, if I have the capability at all? I'm running faux123 kernel and use trickster mod and trinity kernel tools for tweaking. I don't see anything about throttle control.
On a similar note, faux123 seems to default to 1ghz minimum cpu frequency. Does that seem right? I've flashed lots of kernels before on previous phones and they always default to the lowest value. When I force the setting down to 384mhz, it automatically changes back to 1024mhz the next time I go in my tool apps. Does this seem normal?

denimjunkie82 said:
Where would the thermal throttle toggle exist, if I have the capability at all? I'm running faux123 kernel and use trickster mod and trinity kernel tools for tweaking. I don't see anything about throttle control.
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I haven't seen a Nexus 4 kernel that has thermal throttle toggle, or have it disabled yet. I am just checking if you're running one that I am not aware of
denimjunkie82 said:
On a similar note, faux123 seems to default to 1ghz minimum cpu frequency. Does that seem right? I've flashed lots of kernels before on previous phones and they always default to the lowest value. When I force the setting down to 384mhz, it automatically changes back to 1024mhz the next time I go in my tool apps. Does this seem normal?
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Minimum cpu frequency enforced by kernel is normal. I am not certain if faux123 default to 1 ghz min, but if it's the case, it seems weird for me too. Definitely not good for the battery. If there's no other CPU control apps, I recommend double check the settings, then find an update for faux123, or use trinity kernel

I just flashed a new kernel and my minimum cpu now seems more normal. I hopefully that alleviates the crazy temperatures too.
I'll try to test again tomorrow to see if my temps still go bonkers. It's time to sleep now. Thanks for the help, everyone.

[GUIDE] Advanced Interactive Governor Tweaks; Buttery smooth and insane battery life!

(If you own a Nexus 5X or 6P and you are too lazy to read the philosophy of this technique, head on down to the 2nd post and pop those values into your kernel manager and be happy. If you own a different device, please read this post in full.)
The Introduction
I'm about to tell you how to get buttery smooth, lag free performance with insanely good battery life, using an old school governor featured in practically every kernel... This tweak is applicable to every phone with any ROM or kernel--stock or custom--that provides the Interactive Governor. :good:
Yeah, yeah... everyone promises good battery with great performance, but who actually delivers? Maybe it isn't as smooth as you want, or maybe it requires something your kernel or ROM don't support. Or maybe the battery life promises just aren't what you expected. There's always some awful compromise. Not here!
This isn't a guide to get 36 hour battery life... provided you never use your phone. That's deep sleep optimization, which is lovely and all, but what good is the phone if you can never use it?! And with the new Marshmallow Doze feature, this strategy is becoming a think of the past. What I'm talking about is 7-14 hour screen on, actual hands-on usage times! Without compromising anything, you can get 7-8 hour screen on usage with regular, no-compromise usage habits: daytime visible screen brightness, both radios on, sync on, network location on, all the regular usage features, the whole kit and kaboodle... all smooth as a baby's butt and snappy as a Slim Jim! (Up to 14+ hours if you can stand minimum brightness and WiFi-only with a custom ROM and other stuff turned off! And this is with stock voltages and full frequency range--you'll likely get even more if you choose to optimize those as well!)
However, it should be noted that this does not apply to gaming, heavy camera use, etc. Anything that is an automatic battery killer in and of itself. There's nothing that can be done about anything that forces the phone to utilize its maximum resources all the time. But you should know that by now. Further, this guide is about optimizing the CPU as much as possible. It does not cover things like eliminating wakelocks so your phone sleeps well, removing unnecessary and battery draining stock apps, keeping your screen brightness down*, and all that stuff that's been covered in other posts ad infinitum. Those optimizations are up to you.
*At least on the Nexus 5X, you shouldn't be turning your screen brightness above about 60%. It should be more than viewable in sunlight at that brightness, and keep in mind that the brightness power requirements increase exponentially, so a 100% bright LCD screen will use about 3.5-4.5x more power than a 60% bright screen. I don't see that fact brought up often, so I thought I'd mention it here.
After a bit of tweaking and experimenting, I developed some settings that provide absolutely incredible battery life, buttery smooth performance, and a lag free experience. And you don't need a fancy governor, or a custom kernel, custom clock rates, or even a Nexus 5X. This will work on any ROOTed phone with the Interactive governor!
So, after writing a (nearly identical) guide for the EvoLTE folks over a year ago, I'm now back to update this information to provide strategies for multi-CPU devices, as well as specific settings for the Nexus 5X you can use right away.
Enough long winded preamble! Let's get down to...
The Nitty Gritty
Before I lay out all the settings so you can blindly enter them into your governor control, I should to explain some of the principals I employed to get the results I did. The primary thing to understand before I do is: little might you know, the settings in the Interactive governor can be tweaked on a clock range basis. That is to say, you can finely control how the governor responds at a variety of clock rates, thus better dictating how it should operate under various loads. This is integral to the configuration, because it means the difference between jumping from the slowest speed to the highest speed under load and sustaining lower clock speeds for tasks that don't really require higher clock speeds.
By default, the Interactive governor will jump from lowest speed to a "nominal" speed under load, and then scale up from that speed as load is sustained. That is lovely, but still too twitchy to provide serious efficiency and power savings. It spends most of its time at 2 or 3 clock speeds and barely hits other clock speeds that are ideal for other tasks or usage patterns.
Instead, what we want to do is configure it to handle different types of loads in different ways. A load suited for scrolling through a webpage is not the same as a load suited for downloading/processing streaming video is not the same as a load suited for snappy loading of an app is not the same as a load suited for high performance gaming. Every kind of load has different tolerances at which their minimal speed is indistinguishable from their maximal speed.
To understand what's best under a variety of tasks, we have to identify two types of load profiles: nominal clock rates and efficient clock rates.
Nominal Clock Rates
Nominal clock rates are the minimum CPU clock rates that perform a given task smoothly and without stuttering or lag. To find the nominal clock rate for a given task, turn on only the first CPU using the Performance governor and turn them both down incrementally until you find the minimum clock rate that works best for what you're trying to do, without introducing hiccups. (If you have a CPU or kernel that hotplugs individual cores, multiply that clock speed by your number of cores.) Keep the 2nd CPU on the Powersave governor with the lowest frequency your kernel supports. (Or turn it off completely if hotplugging allows.)
(Note: If your device supports per-core hotplugging, you might be better off using the old guide to determine your nominal clock rates. The Nexus 5X and all current kernels only support hotplugging entire CPUs, so your results may vary if you use any other device.)
For example, on my Nexus 5X, scrolling (not loading, simply scrolling) through a large webpage smoothly will occur when the first CPU clock rates are no less than 460Mhz. (This is on mine without background tasks taking any CPU. Yours may be different depending on services running, the browser you use, your ROM, kernel, etc.) Thus, the nominal clock rate for scrolling a webpage on my Nexus 5X is 460Mhz.
Efficient Clock Rates
Efficient clock rates are CPU clock rates that are unique in that they are the most optimal frequency given the range of voltage requirements. If you map out the frequency jump and the voltage requirement jump between each of the available clock rates, you will find that occasionally the voltage requirement will jump significantly without the frequency jumping proportionally to the previous differentials. For example, using stock voltages, the EvoLTE's msm8960 chipset clock/voltage ratios jump significantly higher from 702Mhz to 810Mhz than the ratios from 594Mhz to 702Mhz.
Because I cannot find the stock voltages of the Nexus 5X clock speeds, this section is INCOMPLETE! If you know the voltages, please post and I can update this guide to include the 5X's Efficient Clock Rates.
Clock Rate Biases
Using the information provided above, figure out both your nominal clock rates for the tasks you perform most often and your efficient clock rates depending on your kernel/custom voltage settings. For me, since I cannot determine the efficient clock rates, I use the nominal clock rates listed above. For the tasks I generally perform on my phone, my nominal clock rates are as follows:
Idle - 384Mhz
Page Scrolling - 600Mhz
Video - 787Mhz
App Loading - 960Mhz
High Load Processing - 1440Mhz
(Note that you must calculate the values that are optimal for your phone for best battery and performance! Each phone is different because of the ROM, kernel, background tasks, etc!)
With this done, you will want to start the fine tuning phase! Correlate the efficient clock rates with their closest nominal clock rates, similar to below:
(This section of the guide is INCOMPLETE because I do not know the clock rate voltages for the Nexus 5X. If you know these, please post in the comments and I will update the guide!)
Idle - ???Mhz efficient / 384Mhz nominal
Page Scrolling - ???Mhz efficient / 600Mhz nominal
Video - ???Mhz efficient / 787Mhz nominal
App Loading - ???Mhz efficient / 960Mhz nominal
High Load - ???Mhz efficient / 1440Mhz nominal
Keep these handy, as they're going to be necessary for...
The Set Up
Now that we know what are the most efficient nominal clock rates we want to focus on and what the most optimal are for what we want to do, we will start low and scale up as necessary. It's always better to begin with underperforming and tweak the settings upward until we're satisfied with the performance of our target tasks.
In its default state, the Interactive governor has a hair trigger that will raise and lower the clock rates, which means it spends too much time at unnecessary clock speeds, wasting power, and scales down too quickly, leading to stuttering performance. We will take advantage of a seldom used feature of the Interactive governor. Specifically, that with which it determines when it is okay to scale up to each higher clock rate, on a frequency by frequency basis.
We have two primary goals: respond as quickly as possible to each load request for a lag free experience and exceed the desired clock rate for a given task as little as possible. To do this, we will instruct the Interactive governor to trigger certain clock rates in different ways depending on our expected load.
I won't explain all of the settings of the Interactive governor--there are plenty of summaries all around. (Go search now if you don't know what any of the settings for Interactive governor do. I'll wait here.) However, I will explain an incredibly powerful feature of the Interactive governor that is rarely included in those summaries: multiple frequency adjustments.
The above_highspeed_delay setting, for example, defines how long the governor should wait before escalating the clock rate beyond what's set in highspeed_freq. However, you can define multiple different delays that the governor should use for any specified frequency.
For example, we want the above_highspeed_delay as low as possible to get the CPU out of the idle state as quickly as possible when a significant load is applied. However, we don't want it to jump immediately to the fastest clock rate once it's gotten out of idle, as that may be overkill for the current task. Our target trigger (which you will later adjust to suit your system and usage profile), will begin at 20000μs. That means 20,000μs (or 20ms) after our idle max load has been reached, we want to assume idle has been broken and we want to perform an actual task. (We want this value as low as possible without false positives, because it is one of a few factors that determine how snappy and lag free the CPU's response is.)
But at this point we're not ready to take on a full processing load. We may just be briefly scrolling a webpage and don't need the full power of the CPU now that we've allowed it to break out of idle. So we need it to reach a particular frequency and then hold it there again until we're sure the load is justified before we allow it to push the frequency even higher. To do that, rather than just setting
above_highspeed_delay - 20000​
we will instead use the format "frequency:delay" to set
above_highspeed_delay - 20000 460000:60000 600000:20000​
"Waaaait... What does that do?!"
This tells the Interactive governor to hold out 20ms after our target load when it's at our highspeed_freq (which we're actually using as our idle frequency--not a burst frequency as originally intended), but then it tells the governor to hold for 60ms after it's reached 460Mhz. Once it has exceeded 460Mhz, it then has free reign to scale up without limitation. (This will be optimized with the target_loads setting in a minute. And if you don't know what I'm talking about when I say "highspeed_freq" then you didn't go search for the basic Interactive governor settings and read about it! Go do that before you read any further, because I will not explain the basics of this governor!)
These settings are among the most important, because they limit the phone's clock rates when you are not interacting with it. If it needs to do something in the background, chances are it does not need to run full throttle! Background and idle tasks should be limited to the lowest reasonable clock rate. Generally speaking, if you're just looking at your phone (to read something, for example), you want the phone to use as little CPU power as possible. This includes checking in with Google to report your location or fetching some pull data or... whatever. Things that you don't need performance for.
So now that we know how to specify different settings for different frequency ranges, let's finish it all up with...
The Money Shot
If you've made it this far, you're ready to put these strategies into play! If you have not read the previous sections, DO NOT COMPLAIN IF THE DEFAULT SETTINGS DON'T PROVIDE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR!! These settings are templates only and these need to be adjusted for each case based on your system and usage patterns! IF YOU ARE NOT GETTING THE PERFORMANCE OR BATTERY LIFE PROMISED, ***READ THE SECTIONS ABOVE!!!***
With that out of the way... let's rock!
If you are using a Nexus 5X, use the following Interactive governor settings for CPU 1 ("little"–the one with 4 cores) and then tweak with the instructions below:
(If you are using a phone other than a Nexus 5X, you must read the above sections and replace the frequencies with your own efficient clock rates!)
above_highspeed_delay - 20000 460000:60000 600000:20000
boost - 0
boostpulse_duration - 80000
go_highspeed_load - 99
hispeed_freq - 600000
min_sample_time - 30000
target_loads - 98 460000:19 600000:80 672000:12 787000:81 864000:9 960000:69 1248000:95 1440000:95
timer_rate - 20000
timer_slack - 80000
These defaults work fine for me, but I have otherwise optimized my system fully, so they are at the minimal adequate values. If you have background tasks that consume any somewhat significant amount of CPU on a constant basis, you will most likely see awful, stuttery performance and poor battery life! So you must adjust them to suit your system before you see results!!! Anything more than about 15-20% idle CPU use at any given time will negatively affect the results you see without further tweaking!
Optimize Idle Frequency
Now that you've got the base configuration, we need to tweak it so that the CPU stays at your efficient idle frequency (384Mhz in this case) without spontaneously jumping when your phone is actually idle. To do this, open a CPU monitor that displays the current core frequencies (I like CoolTool, but you can use what you like as long as it doesn't significantly impact the CPU use--you're best off using a passive monitor and checking the results after 30-60 seconds of no activity), watch the frequencies and see how often they go above your efficient idle frequency when you're not doing anything at all, and adjust the following:
timer_rate - If your idle frequency is not being exceeded much, adjust this downward in increments of 5000 until it is, then increase it by 5000. If your idle frequency is being exceeded often, adjust this upward in increments of 5000 until your CPU primarily stays at or below your desired idle frequency.
above_highspeed_delay - Only if your timer_rate has matched or exceeded 50000 and still won't stay at or below your desired idle frequency most of the time, set timer_rate to 50000 and adjust the "20000" portion of the value upwards in increments of 5000 until the idle frequency has stabilized.
The lower these two values are, the more snappy/lag free your system will be. So try to get them as low as possible without the idle frequency being exceeded too much, as this inversely affects the snappiness and efficiency of your phone when you're not doing anything. Lower = snappier but uses more CPU when you're not doing anything (such as reading a webpage); higher = less snappy but stays in a power saving state more often reducing CPU use when you're not interacting with the device. These are the most critical in determining your idle power savings, so keep that in mind if you want the most battery life!
Enhance Task Responsiveness
Now use the efficiency and nominal clock rate correlations you made for your master clock rate list in the section above and adjust your frequencies to suit your usage patterns. For example, I had web page scrolling as my 600Mhz rate, so I will open a web page and scroll and see how everything feels. If it feels sluggish, I will increase all the references to "600000" in both above_highspeed_delay and target_loads upwards to the next available clock rate until that task is smooth. What you are looking for is constant poor/sluggish performance when the task you're testing for is using its highest CPU use. If the task becomes sluggish/stuttery as it winds down (such as a scrolling webpage slowing to a stop), we will address that next, so do not take that behavior into consideration as you adjust these values! If the task is smooth until (or after) it slows down, then you have reached your optimal clock rate and can move on.
Find Optimal Loads
Now here's where we get a little math-heavy to determine what the optimal target_load frequencies are for each clock rate. (Might want to bust out a spreadsheet to do the math for you if you're not using a Nexus 5X.)
We want to determine 2 values for every available clock rate: the maximal efficient load and the minimal efficient load. To make this determination, we need to bust out our calculators. (Or spreadsheets!)
For the maximal efficient load, we want to correlate a load value no higher than 90% of a given clock rate before it would be more efficient to jump to the next clock rate–to avoid overwhelming a particular rate while avoiding premature jumps to the next. For this value, we calculate it as:
(clock rate * 0.9) / next highest clock rate​
For example, the maximal efficient load for 600Mhz on the Nexus 5X would be caluclated as:
(600000 * 0.9) / 672000 = 80.36% (rounded and normalized: 80)​
For the minimal efficient load, we want to correlate a load value at which anything higher would be better served by a higher clock rate. To calculate this:
(1 - next highest clock rate / clock rate) * -1​
For example, the minimal efficient load for 600Mhz on the Nexus 5X would be calculated as:
(1 - 672000 / 600000) * -1 = 12.00% (rounded and normalized: 12)​
For the Nexus 5X, the maximal efficient loads of CPU 1 are:
384000:75
460000:69
600000:80
672000:76
787000:81
864000:81
960000:69
1248000:78
For the Nexus 5X, the minimal efficient loads of CPU 1 are:
384000:0
460000:19
600000:30
672000:12
787000:17
864000:9
960000:11
1248000:30
1440000:15
For the Nexus 5X, the maximal efficient loads of CPU 2 are:
384000:72
480000:68
633000:74
768000:80
864000:81
960000:69
1248000:83
1344000:84
1440000:84
1536000:84
1632000:86
1689000:83
For the Nexus 5X, the minimal efficient loads of CPU 2 are:
384000:0
480000:25
633000:32
768000:21
864000:13
960000:11
1248000:30
1344000:8
1440000:7
1536000:7
1632000:6
1689000:3
1824000:8
Using Optimal Loads
Now, you might be asking, "Why the heck did I do all this math?! WHAT IS IT GOOD FORRRR????!!!!"
Well, we had put some values into target_loads earlier, but those values weren't arbitrary. See, for all of our nominal clock rates, we want the CPU to hang out on them for as long as possible, provided they're doing the job. For each frequency tagged as our nominal clock rate, we want to use the maximal efficient load in target_loads. For every other frequency, we want to use our minimal efficient load value.
We don't care about those other frequencies. We don't want the CPU to hang out in those states for very long, because it just encourages the device to be reluctant to jump to a higher nominal frequency and causes stuttering. We eliminate the desire for the governor to select those frequencies unless it is absolutely efficient to do so. For all the nominal clock rates, we want the CPU to hang out there... but not for too long! So we set those values to the maximal efficient load, so they can escape to the next nominal frequency before they overwhelm the current frequency.
All said and done, this reduces jitter and lag in the device while providing optimal frequency selection for our day-to-day tasks.
Fix Stuttering
Now that you have adjusted your frequencies for optimal high CPU use in each given task, you may notice some stuttering as the task winds down. (Such as a scrolling webpage slowing to a stop.) If this bothers you, you can tweak this at the expense of some (minor) battery life by adjusting min_sample_time up in increments of 5000 until you are satisfied.
If you have exceeded a value of 100000 for the min_sample_time setting and still are not satisfied, change it back to 40000 and increase (and re-optimize) your idle frequency by one step. This will impact battery life more, but less than if you were to keep increasing the value of min_sample_time.
However, this step should not be necessary if you properly calibrated your maximal and minimal efficient loads!
But What About That 2nd CPU?!
So we've all but ignored the 2nd CPU. The reason? It's a horribly inefficient processor designed for high load tasks that generally don't come into play during normal usage patterns. It's good for gaming and image processing, but not for most moderate tasks a user might employ.
But it is good for one thing that all users do pretty frequently... loading and switching apps.
Fortunately, at least for the Nexus 5X, the system is pretty smart about when to employ the power of this inefficient 2nd CPU. So it's generally kept at bay most of the time. What we want is to configure it to be our burst processor–we want it to come into play spontaneously and quickly during tasks that necessitate immediate high loads, like loading and switching apps. To do this, we will ignore all but 3 frequencies:
384Mhz
1248Mhz
1824Mhz
In this case, we configure it just as we did with CPU 1, but only worry about keeping it idle as much as possible, allow it to jump to 1824Mhz immediately when needed, and encourage it to fall back to 1248Mhz if a sustained load is needed.
These values are ideal for the Nexus 5X, so if you have a different phone, choose the lowest clock rate, highest clock rate, and median efficient clock rate, using the instructions previously.
For the Nexus 5X, we'll jump straight to...
The Money Shot: Part Deux
If you are using a Nexus 5X, use the following Interactive governor settings for CPU 2. ("big"–the one with 2 cores)
(If you are using a phone other than a Nexus 5X, you must read the above sections and replace the frequencies with your own efficient clock rates!)
above_highspeed_delay - 20000
boost - 0
boostpulse_duration - 80000
go_highspeed_load - 99
hispeed_freq - 1824000
min_sample_time - 20000
target_loads - 98 480000:25 633000:32 768000:21 864000:13 960000:11 1248000:95 1344000:8 1440000:7 1536000:7 1632000:6 1689000:3 1824000:95
timer_rate - 20000
timer_slack - 80000
What About Bob Touchboost?
Touchboost is a nifty feature in a lot of kernels (including stock on Nexus 5X) that jumps up the frequency so that you experience minimal lag. However, with all the above settings, touchboost is usally detrimental to the efficiency of the device!
We generally want to keep the CPU on the lowest possible frequency as much as possible, and touchboost interferes with that. Further, because we've set up the maximal and minimal efficient clock rates, as well as burst processing from the 2nd CPU core, we don't need touchboost!
If your kernel allows you to shut it off, try to do so and see if the responsiveness of your device is acceptable. On the Nexus 5X, touchboost adds no perceptual performance gain and only hurts efficiency and battery life. If your kernel doesn't allow you to turn off touchboost, try another one, like the excellent ElementalX.
Your battery life will thank you!
The Conclusion
I have achieved unprecedented performance, smoothness, snappiness, and battery life with the default settings I outlined above. However, your mileage may vary, as every phone, ROM, kernel, installed applications, etc are different. This is a very sensitive governor profile and must be tweaked to just meet the requirements of your system and your usage patterns!
If it is not optimally tuned, performance and battery life will suffer! If you're not seeing buttery smooth, snappy performance, you have not correctly tuned it for your system!! However, if you do have superb performance (and you tweaked the values conservatively and not in large steps), then you will also get the aforementioned battery life.
I will be happy to answer any questions, or provide any guidance I can. However:
You must otherwise optimize your phone first! This will not "fix" a poorly optimized system and will, in fact, reduce performance and battery life without further optimization and proper tweaking.
I will not answer questions about "what is a governor?" There are plenty of resources available already, so search for them.
I will not answer questions about "how can I tweak [some other] governor?" This is about the Interactive governor only.
I will not respond to "nuh uh! show proof!" posts. The fact that I spent 12 hours writing this up should be proof enough that I am satisfied with the results. You can take it or leave it; makes no difference to me. The default settings should work with any fully optimized Nexus 5X running ElementalX Kernel, so just try them on your own. If you're not absolutely satisfied (and trust me, either it'll work out-of-the-box with flying colors and you'll know it works for your system, or it'll be an awful experience which means you must tweak it), then you haven't adequately adjusted the settings to suit your system.
Lemme know what you think, and good luck!

"I'm Too Lazy To Read All That! WHAT DO I NEED TO DO?!?!"
If you own a Nexus 5X or 6P, install the ElementalX Kernel and the EX Kernel Manager. (Yes, it works in other kernels, but you're on your own regarding how to set the values. Other kernel editors, such as Kernel Adiutor, are currently buggy and problematic, so your mileage may vary. And if you have another device, you must follow the instructions in this post to derive your own values.)
UPDATE: EX Kernel Manager now supports governor profiles and most currently published profiles are distributed with the manager. To access: EXKM> CPU> Governor options> Load, then select the profile you wish to try! Many thanks to @flar2 for providing native support!
In the "CPU" section, turn off "Touchboost". (This is crucial!! YOU MUST TURN OFF TOUCHBOOST OR ELSE YOU WILL NOT SEE ANY BATTERY SAVINGS!!!) Make sure the "Max CPU Frequency" is set to the maximum possible value for each CPU. Make sure the "Min CPU Frequency" is set to the minimum possible value for each CPU. Then set the following values for each CPU under "Governor options" for each CPU respectively:
CURRENT STABLE – Version 2.0
Nexus 5X - The "Easy Way" Setup - For ElementalX Kernel
CPU #1 (aka "little", aka "has 4 cores", aka "maxes out at 1440Mhz")
target_loads - 75 460000:69 600000:80 672000:76 787000:81 864000:81 960000:69 1248000:78
timer_slack - -1
hispeed_freq - 460Mhz
timer_rate - 20000
above_hispeed_delay - 30000 600000:20000 672000:10000
go_hispeed_load - 75
min_sample_time - 60000
CPU #2 (aka "big", aka "has 2 cores", aka "maxes out at 1824Mhz")
target_loads - 72 480000:68 633000:74 768000:80 864000:81 960000:69 1248000:83 1344000:84 1440000:84 1536000:84 1632000:86 1689000:83
timer_slack - 80000
hispeed_freq - 633Mhz
timer_rate - 10000
above_hispeed_delay - 10000
go_hispeed_load - 72
min_sample_time - 100000
Under "CPU Boost", set "input boost milliseconds" to "0".
Nexus 6P - The "Easy Way" Setup - For ElementalX Kernel
CPU #1 (aka "little", aka "low", aka "maxes out at 1555Mhz")
target_loads - 75 460000:69 600000:80 672000:79 768000:80 864000:81 960000:69 1248000:84 1344000:82 1478000:86
timer_slack - -1
hispeed_freq - 460Mhz
timer_rate - 20000
above_hispeed_delay - 30000 600000:20000 672000:10000
go_hispeed_load - 75
min_sample_time - 60000
CPU #2 (aka "big", aka "fast", aka "maxes out at 1948Mhz")
target_loads - 72 480000:68 633000:74 768000:80 864000:81 960000:69 1248000:84 1344000:84 1440000:84 1536000:85 1632000:85 1728000:85 1824000:84
timer_slack - 80000
hispeed_freq - 768mhz
timer_rate - 10000
above_hispeed_delay - 10000
go_hispeed_load - 72
min_sample_time - 100000
Under "CPU Boost", set "input boost milliseconds" to "0".
(Having trouble applying these? Check out these great scripts from @Alcolawl PLEASE NOTE THAT THESE ARE OFFICIALLY UNSUPPORTED–direct your queries to Alcolawl so he might provide assistance.)
ALPHAS – USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!! (Actually, we really like "GostPepper". Try it out. It's spicy! And don't worry–it won't break anything!)
NEW! GlassFish (For most devices!) - High battery savings with buttery smooth interface!
NEW! HawkTail (6P) - An advanced, modern profile that is both battery efficient and highly performant! All users are urged to check out HawkTail!
Butterfly - A culmination of all strategies, provides smoothest performance of all currently published settings, though battery savings are a little more modest. Excellent for light and moderate users; heavy/marathon users might want to check out a different setting profile.
GhostPepper (6P) - Uses a quantized, frequency-aligned parametric curve to influence low core clock rates while providing extremely smooth transitions from each clock rate and exceptional battery life. The current favorite, albeit not very well tested so far. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED
SilverFish - Effectively eliminates "hispeed_freq" so perceptive scrolling performance is increased, giving the illusion of excellent performance while providing great battery life. Some users experience problems with performance while multitasking--NOT RECOMMENDED FOR EVERYONE. Light users should enjoy this very much, however.
MadDog - The first major departure from the core strategy. Very well tested, extremely stable, and HIGHLY RECOMMENDED if you aren't fully satisfied with v2.0 settings. This is on the table to be the next stable v3.0, so rest assured you can't go wrong with this one!
ARCHIVE
v1.0
Nexus 5X - The "Easy Way" Setup - For ElementalX Kernel
CPU #1 (aka "little", aka "has 4 cores", aka "maxes out at 1440Mhz")
target_loads - 98 600000:80 787000:81 960000:69 1248000:85 1440000:90
timer_slack - 80000
hispeed_freq - 600Mhz
timer_rate - 20000
above_hispeed_delay - 10000
go_hispeed_load - 64
min_sample_time - 80000
CPU #2 (aka "big", aka "has 2 cores", aka "maxes out at 1824Mhz")
target_loads - 90 633000:74 768000:80 960000:69 1248000:83 1536000:84 1689000:90
timer_slack - 80000
hispeed_freq - 1248Mhz
timer_rate - 10000
above_hispeed_delay - 10000
go_hispeed_load - 90
min_sample_time - 80000
Under "CPU Boost", set "input boost milliseconds" to "0".
Nexus 6P - The "Easy Way" Setup - For ElementalX Kernel
CPU #1 (aka "little", aka "low", aka "maxes out at 1555Mhz")
target_loads - 98 600000:80 768000:80 960000:69 1248000:84 1478000:85 1555000:90
timer_slack - 80000
hispeed_freq - 600Mhz
timer_rate - 20000
above_hispeed_delay - 10000
go_hispeed_load - 64
min_sample_time - 80000
CPU #2 (aka "big", aka "fast", aka "maxes out at 1948Mhz")
target_loads - 90 633000:74 768000:80 960000:69 1248000:83 1536000:84 1632000:85 1824000:90
timer_slack - 80000
hispeed_freq - 633mhz
timer_rate - 10000
above_hispeed_delay - 10000
go_hispeed_load - 90
min_sample_time - 80000
Under "CPU Boost", set "input boost milliseconds" to "0".
Changelog:
8/23/16 - Added GlassFish profile
8/16/16 - Added HawkTail profile
1/24/16 - Added instructions to use EXKM's native profiles
1/4/16 - Archived v1.0; elevated "crazy alpha 2" to v2.0 and posted; added links to other alpha settings
12/27/15 - Updated for better performance on 5X and 6P
12/25/15 - Updated to improve battery use on 6P and somewhat on 5X
12/23/15 - Made the beta #2 settings the default; added settings for 6P

FAQ
In this guide, I am using the ElementalX Kernel on the Nexus 5X. If you are using a different kernel or device, your available features may vary, so you must determine the appropriate values to use based on the instructions in this guide! If you are too lazy to do this, I will try to keep a running list of compatible settings you can just plug-and-go. But the purpose of this guide is to assist you in discovering the best values to use with your device, so if something doesn't work, it's because you're probably not following the guide and coming up with your own values! specific to your kernel and device combo! You've been warned!
My settings don't show up after I reboot! What am I doing wrong??
If you are using EX Kernel Manager, tap the power icon to the right of the setting after you set it. If you are using a different kernel manager, check with that developer to see how it's implemented. Also, give the kernel manager a few minutes after the device boots. The settings aren't applied immediately, so check back after 3 minutes and you should see the correct values.
Why is one of my CPUs not letting me change a setting or set a certain frequency?
The device may be thermally throttling and had turned off that CPU or limited it. Turn off your device and let it cool for 5 minutes, then try again. (Keep it unplugged and make sure you don't have any apps running that might be trying to use a lot of CPU while the device is off.)
These settings don't work/I'm not getting great screen on time!
You probably haven't disabled touch boost. YOU MUST DISABLE TOUCHBOOST, OR THIS WON'T SAVE YOU JACK SQUAT!!
How do I change governor/kernel settings?
If you're not comfortable or don't know how to do this, search the XDA forums. There are plenty of guides that explain this in great detail.
My kernel editor won't let me set [whatever]Mhz for a value you showed!
Either you have done something wrong, or you're using a kernel/device combo that isn't ElementalX on Nexus 5X, for which this guide was written. Follow the instructions in the first post to determine the appropriate settings for your own device!
Do I have to be rooted?
Yes. See the fourth question and learn more about your device before trying to change things like governor settings!

been waiting for this since I saw a few posts saying it would be released on r/nexus5x
Thanks!

What program to use to set all these tweaks?

Smultie said:
What program to use to set all these tweaks?
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I recommend using the ElementalX kernel with the ElementalX Kernel Manager, because it supports all of the features necessary to get the most out of this guide. (Especially turning off touch boost.)
That said, you can try any kernel manager to make these changes. Just search Google Play!

How important is io_is_busy? Can't find that string in the elemental X app.
What are your thoughts, if any, on zram and swappiness values?

soniCron said:
I recommend using the ElementalX kernel with the ElementalX Kernel Manager, because it supports all of the features necessary to get the most out of this guide. (Especially turning off touch boost.)
That said, you can try any kernel manager to make these changes. Just search Google Play!
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I tried it with Kernel Adiutor, but I noticed that I can't set "hispeed_freq - 600000" on CPU1. Closest options are 480000 and 633600. Which one to choose?

Smultie said:
I tried it with Kernel Adiutor, but I noticed that I can't set "hispeed_freq - 600000" on CPU1. Closest options are 480000 and 633600. Which one to choose?
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What kernel are you using?

soniCron said:
What kernel are you using?
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Stock

dg4prez said:
How important is io_is_busy? Can't find that string in the elemental X app.
What are your thoughts, if any, on zram and swappiness values?
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Sorry, that was inadvertently copied from the old guide. I'll remove it from the post. You can ignore that setting.
Far as zram, I'm not sure, yet. I haven't spent time exploring it on this device. That said, I'm not sure disabling it will improve performance in any noticeable way on this device. With these governor settings, things are screamingly fast, and my concern would be with more apps unloading because of the smaller RAM.
I'll make additional posts as I discover the most reasonable tweaks for this device, but not before I test each methodically and thoroughly...

soniCron said:
Sorry, that was inadvertently copied from the old guide. I'll remove it from the post. You can ignore that setting.
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I already set it at 0. Should I put it back at 1?

Smultie said:
Stock
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Would you mind posting all the frequencies available for both CPUs? I'll update the guide to reflect the proper values.
I'm using ElementalX because of its ability to turn off touch boost, so I haven't worked much with the stock kernel.
Thanks!

Smultie said:
I already set it at 0. Should I put it back at 1?
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Leave it at 0 until I can investigate the stock kernel options.

soniCron said:
Would you mind posting all the frequencies available for both CPUs? I'll update the guide to reflect the proper values.
I'm using ElementalX because of its ability to turn off touch boost, so I haven't worked much with the stock kernel.
Thanks!
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Big:
Deep Sleep, 384, 480, 633, 768, 864, 960, 1248, 1344, 1440, 1536, 1632, 1689, 1824
Little:
Deep Sleep, 384, 460, 600, 672, 787, 864, 960, 1248, 1440
Also: Stock kernel in combination with Kernel Adiutor allowed me to disable 'Input Boost Frequency Core 1' which I assumed is the same as touch boost. It's described as 'CPU frequency to be boosted to this frequency upon input detection'.
Thanks for your quick replies.

Smultie said:
Big:
Deep Sleep, 384, 480, 633, 768, 864, 960, 1248, 1344, 1440, 1536, 1632, 1689, 1824
Little:
Deep Sleep, 384, 460, 600, 672, 787, 864, 960, 1248, 1440
Also: Stock kernel in combination with Kernel Adiutor allowed me to disable 'Input Boost Frequency Core 1' which I assumed is the same as touch boost. It's described as 'CPU frequency to be boosted to this frequency upon input detection'.
Thanks for your quick replies.
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Ohhhhh! Okay, I see what's going on! The little CPU is #1 and the big CPU is #2. Reverse your assignments and it should all be fine.
I'll update the post to clarify. (I thought it was a little strange that there would be different clock rates for different kernels. Didn't even think that was possible since it's a hardware feature, not a kernel feature. You had me thinking I missed some major technological advancement! )

soniCron said:
Ohhhhh! Okay, I see what's going on! The little CPU is #1 and the big CPU is #2. Reverse your assignments and it should all be fine.
I'll update the post to clarify. (I thought it was a little strange that there would be different clock rates for different kernels. Didn't even think that was possible since it's a hardware feature, not a kernel feature. You had me thinking I missed some major technological advancement! )
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Might be a bug in Kernel Adiutor cause I can select the same hispeed_freq for both CPU's (big/little or 1/2).
Also, you state that you want the big CPU to only run at 384, 1248 and 1824 MHz, but I notice it never reaching lower than 633MHz. Are you sure your settings are correct?

Smultie said:
Might be a bug in Kernel Adiutor cause I can select the same hispeed_freq for both CPU's (big/little or 1/2).
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I made a simplified guide for you (and others):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=64279960&postcount=2
I haven't used a kernel manager besides EX Kernel Manager that supports 2 CPUs reliably, so if you're having problems, I suggest you try EX.
If you find one that will modify the stock kernel reliably, please let me know and I'll update the simplified version of the guide to reflect that.
Thanks for your feedback! (And warnings! And concerns!)

Smultie said:
Also, you state that you want the big CPU to only run at 384, 1248 and 1824 MHz, but I notice it never reaching lower than 633MHz. Are you sure your settings are correct?
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Can you set the minimum clock rate for the big CPU? If that's not possible to set at 384 in stock, I'll update the guide. If it is, then that needs to be done as well.

soniCron said:
Can you set the minimum clock rate for the big CPU? If that's not possible to set at 384 in stock, I'll update the guide. If it is, then that needs to be done as well.
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In your main guide you state for CPU1:
above_highspeed_delay - 20000 460000:60000 600000:20000
In the "learn to read" guid you state:
above_highspeed_delay - 20000
Which is the correct one?
Also, can't find "Touchboost" under "CPU". Can you be a bit more specific maybe?

[GUIDE] [PERFORMANCE] [BATTERY] Idol 3 (6045x) advanced Interactive gov settings

First of all read orginal thread for Nexus 5
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-5x/general/guide-advanced-interactive-governor-t3269557i
Please read this post in full
also read this document:
https://android.googlesource.com/ke...7aebe08b/Documentation/cpu-freq/governors.txt
For now the tweak is only for ARDE overclocked kernel,Underclocked kernel from @Unjustified Dev
If you are too lazy to read the post and configure what suites best for your device I made a template kernel with already integrated tweaks working on all Cm based roms and ill upoload it asap
or simply use Kernel Aduitor to input theese settings
updated Mar.29.2016
Setting for little CPU :
above_highspeed_delay - 25000 800000:50000 998400:30000
boost - 0
boostpulse_duration - 80000
go_highspeed_load - 89
hispeed_freq - 800000
min_sample_time - 30000
target_loads - 80 523400:60 800000:77 998400:81 1113600:77 1309000:81 1448000:81 1601000:10
timer_rate - 20000
timer_slack - 60000
Setting for BIG CPU:
above_highspeed_delay - 20000
boost - 0
boostpulse_duration - 80000
go_highspeed_load - 99
hispeed_freq - 1651200
min_sample_time - 20000
target_loads - 98 533333:60 800000:24 960000:16 1113600:20 1334000:81 1497600:7 1612800:6 1651200:96
timer_rate - 20000
timer_slack - 80000
NOTE:If the big cpu minimum frequencie keeps reverting to 960mhz change governeur to smartmax, liitle cpu max frequencie to 1334000
settings for underclocked kernel (200mhz-1.4ghz) in post 54
The Introduction
I'm about to tell you how to get buttery smooth, lag free performance with insanely good battery life, using an old school governor featured in practically every kernel... This tweak is applicable to every phone with any ROM or kernel--stock or custom--that provides the Interactive Governor.
Yeah, yeah... everyone promises good battery with great performance, but who actually delivers? Maybe it isn't as smooth as you want, or maybe it requires something your kernel or ROM don't support. Or maybe the battery life promises just aren't what you expected. There's always some awful compromise. Not here!
This isn't a guide to get 36 hour battery life... provided you never use your phone. That's deep sleep optimization, which is lovely and all, but what good is the phone if you can never use it?! And with the new Marshmallow Doze feature, this strategy is becoming a think of the past. What I'm talking about is 7-14 hour screen on, actual hands-on usage times! Without compromising anything, you can get 7-8 hour screen on usage with regular, no-compromise usage habits: daytime visible screen brightness, both radios on, sync on, network location on, all the regular usage features, the whole kit and kaboodle... all smooth as a baby's butt and snappy as a Slim Jim! (Up to 14+ hours if you can stand minimum brightness and WiFi-only with a custom ROM and other stuff turned off! And this is with stock voltages and full frequency range--you'll likely get even more if you choose to optimize those as well!)
However, it should be noted that this does not apply to gaming, heavy camera use, etc. Anything that is an automatic battery killer in and of itself. There's nothing that can be done about anything that forces the phone to utilize its maximum resources all the time. But you should know that by now. Further, this guide is about optimizing the CPU as much as possible. It does not cover things like eliminating wakelocks so your phone sleeps well, removing unnecessary and battery draining stock apps, keeping your screen brightness down*, and all that stuff that's been covered in other posts ad infinitum. Those optimizations are up to you.
*You shouldn't be turning your screen brightness above about 60%. It should be more than viewable in sunlight at that brightness, and keep in mind that the brightness power requirements increase exponentially, so a 100% bright LCD screen will use about 3.5-4.5x more power than a 60% bright screen. I don't see that fact brought up often, so I thought I'd mention it here.
So, after reading a (nearly identical) guide for the EvoLTE folks over a year ago, I'm now back to update this information to provide strategies for multi-CPU devices, as well as specific settings for the Idol 3
In this guide, I am using the ARDE overclocked and underclocked kernel by @Unjustified Dev Kernel on moded stock rom by @DallasCZ AICP rom and latest CM 12.1 by @The Marionette. If you are using a different kernel or device, your available features may vary, so you must determine the appropriate values to use based on the instructions in this guide! If you are too lazy to do this, I will try to keep a running list of compatible settings you can just plug-and-go. But the purpose of this guide is to assist you in discovering the best values to use with your device, so if something doesn't work, it's because you're probably not following the guide and coming up with your own values! specific to your kernel and device combo! You've been warned!
My settings don't show up after I reboot! What am I doing wrong??
If you are using EX Kernel Manager, tap the power icon to the right of the setting after you set it. If you are using a different kernel manager, check with that developer to see how it's implemented. Also, give the kernel manager a few minutes after the device boots. The settings aren't applied immediately, so check back after 3 minutes and you should see the correct values.
Why is one of my CPUs not letting me change a setting or set a certain frequency?
The device may be thermally throttling and had turned off that CPU or limited it. Turn off your device and let it cool for 5 minutes, then try again. (Keep it unplugged and make sure you don't have any apps running that might be trying to use a lot of CPU while the device is off.)
These settings don't work/I'm not getting great screen on time!
You probably haven't disabled touch boost. YOU MUST DISABLE TOUCHBOOST, OR THIS WON'T SAVE YOU JACK SQUAT!!
How do I change governor/kernel settings?
If you're not comfortable or don't know how to do this, search the XDA forums. There are plenty of guides that explain this in great detail.
My kernel editor won't let me set [whatever]Mhz for a value you showed!
Either you have done something wrong, or you're using a kernel/device combo that mpdecision driver. Follow the instructions in the first post to determine the appropriate settings for your own device!
Do I have to be rooted?
Yes. See the fourth question and learn more about your device before trying to change things like governor settings!u can use right away.
Enough long winded preamble! Let's get down to...
The Nitty Gritty
Before I lay out all the settings so you can blindly enter them into your governor control, I should to explain some of the principals I employed to get the results I did. The primary thing to understand before I do is: little might you know, the settings in the Interactive governor can be tweaked on a clock range basis. That is to say, you can finely control how the governor responds at a variety of clock rates, thus better dictating how it should operate under various loads. This is integral to the configuration, because it means the difference between jumping from the slowest speed to the highest speed under load and sustaining lower clock speeds for tasks that don't really require higher clock speeds.
By default, the Interactive governor will jump from lowest speed to a "nominal" speed under load, and then scale up from that speed as load is sustained. That is lovely, but still too twitchy to provide serious efficiency and power savings. It spends most of its time at 2 or 3 clock speeds and barely hits other clock speeds that are ideal for other tasks or usage patterns.
Instead, what we want to do is configure it to handle different types of loads in different ways. A load suited for scrolling through a webpage is not the same as a load suited for downloading/processing streaming video is not the same as a load suited for snappy loading of an app is not the same as a load suited for high performance gaming. Every kind of load has different tolerances at which their minimal speed is indistinguishable from their maximal speed.
To understand what's best under a variety of tasks, we have to identify two types of load profiles: nominal clock rates and efficient clock rates.
Nominal Clock Rates
Nominal clock rates are the minimum CPU clock rates that perform a given task smoothly and without stuttering or lag. To find the nominal clock rate for a given task, turn on only the little CPU using the Performance governor and turn them both down incrementally until you find the minimum clock rate that works best for what you're trying to do, without introducing hiccups. (If you have a CPU or kernel that hotplugs individual cores, multiply that clock speed by your number of cores.) Keep the BIG CPU on the Powersave governor with the lowest frequency your kernel supports. (Or turn it off completely if hotplugging allow
For example, on my Idol 3, scrolling (not loading, simply scrolling) through a large webpage smoothly will occur when the first CPU clock rates are no less than 800Mhz. (This is on mine without background tasks taking any CPU. Yours may be different depending on services running, the browser you use, your ROM, kernel, etc.) Thus, the nominal clock rate for scrolling a webpage on my Idol3 is 800Mhz.
Efficient Clock Rates
Efficient clock rates are CPU clock rates that are unique in that they are the most optimal frequency given the range of voltage requirements. If you map out the frequency jump and the voltage requirement jump between each of the available clock rates, you will find that occasionally the voltage requirement will jump significantly without the frequency jumping proportionally to the previous differentials.
Because I cannot find the stock voltages of the Idol 3 clock speeds, this section is INCOMPLETE! If you know the voltages, please post and I can update this guide to include the Idols Efficient Clock Rates.
Clock Rate Biases
Using the information provided above, figure out both your nominal clock rates for the tasks you perform most often and your efficient clock rates depending on your kernel/custom voltage settings. For me, since I cannot determine the efficient clock rates, I use the nominal clock rates listed above. For the tasks I generally perform on my phone, my nominal clock rates are as follows:
Idle - 533Mhz
Page Scrolling - 800Mhz -
Video -960Mhz-
App Loading - 960Mhz-
High Load Processing - 144800Mhz-
(Note that you must calculate the values that are optimal for your phone for best battery and performance! Each phone is different because of the ROM, kernel, background tasks, etc!)
With this done, you will want to start the fine tuning phase! Correlate the efficient clock rates with their closest nominal clock rates, similar to below:
(This section of the guide is INCOMPLETE because I do not know the clock rate voltages for the Idol 3 If you know these, please post in the comments and I will update the guide!)
Idle - ???Mhz efficient / 533Mhz nominal
Page Scrolling - ???Mhz efficient / 533Mhz nominal
Video - ???Mhz efficient / 960Mhz nominal
App Loading - ???Mhz efficient / 960Mhz nominal
High Load - ???Mhz efficient / 1656Mhz nominal
Keep these handy, as they're going to be necessary for...
The Set Up
Now that we know what are the most efficient nominal clock rates we want to focus on and what the most optimal are for what we want to do, we will start low and scale up as necessary. It's always better to begin with underperforming and tweak the settings upward until we're satisfied with the performance of our target tasks.
In its default state, the Interactive governor has a hair trigger that will raise and lower the clock rates, which means it spends too much time at unnecessary clock speeds, wasting power, and scales down too quickly, leading to stuttering performance. We will take advantage of a seldom used feature of the Interactive governor. Specifically, that with which it determines when it is okay to scale up to each higher clock rate, on a frequency by frequency basis.
We have two primary goals: respond as quickly as possible to each load request for a lag free experience and exceed the desired clock rate for a given task as little as possible. To do this, we will instruct the Interactive governor to trigger certain clock rates in different ways depending on our expected load.
I won't explain all of the settings of the Interactive governor--there are plenty of summaries all around. (Go search now if you don't know what any of the settings for Interactive governor do. I'll wait here.) However, I will explain an incredibly powerful feature of the Interactive governor that is rarely included in those summaries: multiple frequency adjustments.
The above_highspeed_delay setting, for example, defines how long the governor should wait before escalating the clock rate beyond what's set in highspeed_freq. However, you can define multiple different delays that the governor should use for any specified frequency.
For example, we want the above_highspeed_delay as low as possible to get the CPU out of the idle state as quickly as possible when a significant load is applied. However, we don't want it to jump immediately to the fastest clock rate once it's gotten out of idle, as that may be overkill for the current task. Our target trigger (which you will later adjust to suit your system and usage profile), will begin at 20000μs. That means 20,000μs (or 20ms) after our idle max load has been reached, we want to assume idle has been broken and we want to perform an actual task. (We want this value as low as possible without false positives, because it is one of a few factors that determine how snappy and lag free the CPU's response is.)
But at this point we're not ready to take on a full processing load. We may just be briefly scrolling a webpage and don't need the full power of the CPU now that we've allowed it to break out of idle. So we need it to reach a particular frequency and then hold it there again until we're sure the load is justified before we allow it to push the frequency even higher. To do that, rather than just setting
above_highspeed_delay - 20000
we will instead use the format "frequency:delay" to set
above_highspeed_delay - 20000 533333:60000 800000:20000
"Waaaait... What does that do?!"
This tells the Interactive governor to hold out 20ms after our target load when it's at our highspeed_freq (which we're actually using as our idle frequency--not a burst frequency as originally intended), but then it tells the governor to hold for 60ms after it's reached 533Mhz. Once it has exceeded 533Mhz, it then has free reign to scale up without limitation. (This will be optimized with the target_loads setting in a minute. And if you don't know what I'm talking about when I say "highspeed_freq" then you didn't go search for the basic Interactive governor settings and read about it! Go do that before you read any further, because I will not explain the basics of this governor!)
These settings are among the most important, because they limit the phone's clock rates when you are not interacting with it. If it needs to do something in the background, chances are it does not need to run full throttle! Background and idle tasks should be limited to the lowest reasonable clock rate. Generally speaking, if you're just looking at your phone (to read something, for example), you want the phone to use as little CPU power as possible. This includes checking in with Google to report your location or fetching some pull data or... whatever. Things that you don't need performance for.
So now that we know how to specify different settings for different frequency ranges, let's finish it all up with...
The Money Shot
If you've made it this far, you're ready to put these strategies into play! If you have not read the previous sections, DO NOT COMPLAIN IF THE DEFAULT SETTINGS DON'T PROVIDE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR!! These settings are templates only and these need to be adjusted for each case based on your system and usage patterns! IF YOU ARE NOT GETTING THE PERFORMANCE OR BATTERY LIFE PROMISED, ***READ THE SECTIONS ABOVE!!!***
With that out of the way... let's rock!
If you are using a Idol 3, use the following Interactive governor settings for little CPU 1 (with 4 cores) and then tweak with the instructions below:
(If you are using a phone other than a Idol 3, you must read the above sections and replace the frequencies with your own efficient clock rates!)
above_highspeed_delay - 30000 533333:50000 800000:30000
boost - 0
boostpulse_duration - 80000
go_highspeed_load - 99
hispeed_freq - 800000
min_sample_time - 30000
target_loads - 98 533333:5 800000:72 998400:80 1113600:17 1309000:11 1448000:81 1601000:95
timer_rate - 20000
timer_slack - 80000
These defaults work fine for me, but I have otherwise optimized my system fully, so they are at the minimal adequate values. If you have background tasks that consume any somewhat significant amount of CPU on a constant basis, you will most likely see awful, stuttery performance and poor battery life! So you must adjust them to suit your system before you see results!!! Anything more than about 15-20% idle CPU use at any given time will negatively affect the results you see without further tweaking!
Optimize Idle Frequency
Now that you've got the base configuration, we need to tweak it so that the CPU stays at your efficient idle frequency (533Mhz in this case) without spontaneously jumping when your phone is actually idle. To do this, open a CPU monitor that displays the current core frequencies (I like CoolTool, but you can use what you like as long as it doesn't significantly impact the CPU use--you're best off using a passive monitor and checking the results after 30-60 seconds of no activity), watch the frequencies and see how often they go above your efficient idle frequency when you're not doing anything at all, and adjust the following:
timer_rate - If your idle frequency is not being exceeded much, adjust this downward in increments of 5000 until it is, then increase it by 5000. If your idle frequency is being exceeded often, adjust this upward in increments of 5000 until your CPU primarily stays at or below your desired idle frequency.
above_highspeed_delay - Only if your timer_rate has matched or exceeded 50000 and still won't stay at or below your desired idle frequency most of the time, set timer_rate to 50000 and adjust the "30000" portion of the value upwards in increments of 5000 until the idle frequency has stabilized.
The lower these two values are, the more snappy/lag free your system will be. So try to get them as low as possible without the idle frequency being exceeded too much, as this inversely affects the snappiness and efficiency of your phone when you're not doing anything. Lower = snappier but uses more CPU when you're not doing anything (such as reading a webpage); higher = less snappy but stays in a power saving state more often reducing CPU use when you're not interacting with the device. These are the most critical in determining your idle power savings, so keep that in mind if you want the most battery life!
Enhance Task Responsiveness
Now use the efficiency and nominal clock rate correlations you made for your master clock rate list in the section above and adjust your frequencies to suit your usage patterns. For example, I had web page scrolling as my 800Mhz rate, so I will open a web page and scroll and see how everything feels. If it feels sluggish, I will increase all the references to "600000" in both above_highspeed_delay and target_loads upwards to the next available clock rate until that task is smooth. What you are looking for is constant poor/sluggish performance when the task you're testing for is using its highest CPU use. If the task becomes sluggish/stuttery as it winds down (such as a scrolling webpage slowing to a stop), we will address that next, so do not take that behavior into consideration as you adjust these values! If the task is smooth until (or after) it slows down, then you have reached your optimal clock rate and can move on.
Find Optimal Loads
Now here's where we get a little math-heavy to determine what the optimal target_load frequencies are for each clock rate. (Might want to bust out a spreadsheet to do the math for you if you're not using a Idol 3.)
We want to determine 2 values for every available clock rate: the maximal efficient load and the minimal efficient load. To make this determination, we need to bust out our calculators. (Or spreadsheets!)
For the maximal efficient load, we want to correlate a load value no higher than 90% of a given clock rate before it would be more efficient to jump to the next clock rate–to avoid overwhelming a particular rate while avoiding premature jumps to the next. For this value, we calculate it as:
Max. Eff. Load:
Clock rate/next highest clockrate * 90%
533MHz/800MHZ * 90%
Min. Eff. Load:
(Next highest clock rate / clock rate - 1) * 100%
For the minimal efficient load, we want to correlate a load value at which anything higher would be better served by a higher clock rate. To calculate this:
(Next highest clock rate / clock rate - 1) * 100%
(800Mhz/533Mhz-1)*100
For the Idol 3, the maximal efficient loads of little CPU are:
533333:60
800000:72
998400:80
1113600:76
1303000:81
1448000:81
1601000:95
For the Idol 3, the minimal efficient loads of little CPU are:
533333:5
800000:24
998400:11
1113600:17
1303000:10
1448000:10
1601000:0
For the Idol 3, the maximal efficient loads BIG CPU are:
533333:60
800000:75
960000:77
1113600:74
1344000:80
1497600:83
1612800:87
1651200:95
For the Idol 3, the minimal efficient loads BIG CPU are:
533333:5
800000:24
960000:16
1113600:20
1344000:11
1497600:7
1612800:2
1651200:2
Using Optimal Loads
Now, you might be asking, "Why the heck did I do all this math?! WHAT IS IT GOOD FORRRR????!!!!"
Well, we had put some values into target_loads earlier, but those values weren't arbitrary. See, for all of our nominal clock rates, we want the CPU to hang out on them for as long as possible, provided they're doing the job. For each frequency tagged as our nominal clock rate, we want to use the maximal efficient load in target_loads. For every other frequency, we want to use our minimal efficient load value.
We don't care about those other frequencies. We don't want the CPU to hang out in those states for very long, because it just encourages the device to be reluctant to jump to a higher nominal frequency and causes stuttering. We eliminate the desire for the governor to select those frequencies unless it is absolutely efficient to do so. For all the nominal clock rates, we want the CPU to hang out there... but not for too long! So we set those values to the maximal efficient load, so they can escape to the next nominal frequency before they overwhelm the current frequency.
All said and done, this reduces jitter and lag in the device while providing optimal frequency selection for our day-to-day tasks.
Fix Stuttering
Now that you have adjusted your frequencies for optimal high CPU use in each given task, you may notice some stuttering as the task winds down. (Such as a scrolling webpage slowing to a stop.) If this bothers you, you can tweak this at the expense of some (minor) battery life by adjusting min_sample_time up in increments of 5000 until you are satisfied.
If you have exceeded a value of 100000 for the min_sample_time setting and still are not satisfied, change it back to 40000 and increase (and re-optimize) your idle frequency by one step. This will impact battery life more, but less than if you were to keep increasing the value of min_sample_time.
However, this step should not be necessary if you properly calibrated your maximal and minimal efficient loads!
But What About That BIG CPU?!
So we've all but ignored the BIG CPU. The reason? It's a horribly inefficient processor designed for high load tasks that generally don't come into play during normal usage patterns. It's good for gaming and image processing, but not for most moderate tasks a user might employ.
But it is good for one thing that all users do pretty frequently... loading and switching apps.
Fortunately, at least for the Idol, the system is pretty smart about when to employ the power of this inefficient BIG CPU. So it's generally kept at bay most of the time. What we want is to configure it to be our burst processor–we want it to come into play spontaneously and quickly during tasks that necessitate immediate high loads, like loading and switching apps. To do this, we will ignore all but 3 frequencies:
533Mhz
1344Mhz
1651Mhz
In this case, we configure it just as we did with little CPU , but only worry about keeping it idle as much as possible, allow it to jump to 1651Mhz immediately when needed, and encourage it to fall back to 1344Mhz if a sustained load is needed.
These values are ideal for the Idol, so if you have a different phone, choose the lowest clock rate, highest clock rate, and median efficient clock rate, using the instructions previously.
The Money Shot: Part Deux
If you are using a Idol 3, use the following Interactive governor settings for BIG CPU 2. (the one with 2 cores)
above_highspeed_delay - 20000
boost - 0
boostpulse_duration - 80000
go_highspeed_load - 99
hispeed_freq - 1651200
min_sample_time - 20000
target_loads - 98 533333:60 800000:20 960000:16 1113600:20 1344000:80 1497600:7 1612800:2 1651200:95
timer_rate - 20000
timer_slack - 80000
What About Bob Touchboost?
Touchboost is a nifty feature in a lot of kernels that jumps up the frequency so that you experience minimal lag. However, with all the above settings, touchboost is usally detrimental to the efficiency of the device!
We generally want to keep the CPU on the lowest possible frequency as much as possible, and touchboost interferes with that. Further, because we've set up the maximal and minimal efficient clock rates, as well as burst processing from the little CPU core, we don't need touchboost!
If your kernel allows you to shut it off, try to do so and see if the responsiveness of your device is acceptable
The Conclusion
I have achieved unprecedented performance, smoothness, snappiness, and battery life with the default settings I outlined above. However, your mileage may vary, as every phone, ROM, kernel, installed applications, etc are different. This is a very sensitive governor profile and must be tweaked to just meet the requirements of your system and your usage patterns!
If it is not optimally tuned, performance and battery life will suffer! If you're not seeing buttery smooth, snappy performance, you have not correctly tuned it for your system!! However, if you do have superb performance (and you tweaked the values conservatively and not in large steps), then you will also get the aforementioned battery life.
If you're not absolutely satisfied (and trust me, either it'll work out-of-the-box with flying colors and you'll know it works for your system, or it'll be an awful experience which means you must tweak it), then you haven't adequately adjusted the settings to suit your system.
Lemme know what you think, and good luck!

i am currently using it for two days...will report how it goes

DallasCZ said:
i am currently using it for two days...will report how it goes
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this is still not finished only copy paste thread .i have frequencies and loads on paper ,after i finish trhead i few minutes its for everyone ill upload two kernels with implemeted setting one with min 200 mhz and one with 533 min on your rom,and i was wondering is it posible to disable mpdecision on your stock rom since i have buttiful battery life for some thime but as just as i lock or go to deepsleep min frequencies are revertet to 960 instead of 533

nero curin said:
this is still not finished only copy paste thread .i have frequencies and loads on paper ,after i finish trhead i few minutes its for everyone ill upload two kernels with implemeted setting one with min 200 mhz and one with 533 min on your rom,and i was wondering is it posible to disable mpdecision on your stock rom since i have buttiful battery life for some thime but as just as i lock or go to deepsleep min frequencies are revertet to 960 instead of 533
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I cant help you with the mpdecision, I am only modder not a dev.
the hernel would be awsome. Please correct the title * [GUIDE] [PERDORMANCE] [BATTERY] Idol 3 (6045x) advanced Interactive gouv settings* is wrong, it should be * [GUIDE] [PERFORMANCE] [BATTERY] Idol 3 (6045x) advanced Interactive gov settings* ..but if you will implement those settings to ARDE DEV kernel, please ask them for permission, or rename this thread to something like this *[KERNEL] 6045x ARDE DEV KERNEL MOD*

I'm using this governors and the battery and perfomance are greater on my personal build flyme os 4.5.4
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And in Which Rom the governors works best ?
i use Arde OC on Flyme my personal build
Here's mine Screenshoots with this governors on Flyme
charged to 92 %
and the Screentime is 31 min
and the mm-pp-daemon doesn't drains battey
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DallasCZ said:
i am currently using it for two days...will report how it goes
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are you using these setting wich I updated just now or you have done your calculations

i am using the calculations you wrote in the cm12. 1 thread.
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so far it looks great. 3 hours of SoT and 40% battery left.
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so far it looks great. 3 hours of SoT and 40% battery left.
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Those were rough calculations,these are more precise,I got like 7 hrs sot time it can get more also I got 34750 score on antutu only problem is mpdesicion which raises min CPU freq to 960 and that drains more battery

nero curin said:
Those were rough calculations,these are more precise,I got like 7 hrs sot time it can get more also I got 34750 score on antutu only problem is mpdesicion which raises min CPU freq to 960 and that drains more battery
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if oyu look on my screens from the LITLLE cluster it is almost all the time on 533 MHz

DallasCZ said:
if oyu look on my screens from the LITLLE cluster it is almost all the time on 533 MHz
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can you upload screenshot of BIG cluster

Did somebody stock rom for TWRP recovery? ...6045Y

This is a very interesting thread but very in depth, I'm not sure where to start I'd like to tweak interactive for my m8 would you be able to give me some guidance of its not too much trouble thank you in advance.
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smeejaytee said:
This is a very interesting thread but very in depth, I'm not sure where to start I'd like to tweak interactive for my m8 would you be able to give me some guidance of its not too much trouble thank you in advance.
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this is the guide,take a pice of paper wright your frequencies and use the formula above to calculate wich frequencies to use more and wich less,its acttualy real simple
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nero curin said:
this is the guide,take a pice of paper wright your frequencies and use the formula above to calculate wich frequencies to use more and wich less,its acttualy real simple
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I've been reading for an hour or so mate, what's throwing me is the big CPU and little CPU bit I'm guessing this is referring to octocore but I have a quad core, I've set up according to your template which is quite similar to the interactive settings i had set anyway, but there are parameters missing are they not needed like sync frequency and up threshold. I'll try and do some more reading but it is a lot to take in lol thanks for the reply.
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smeejaytee said:
I've been reading for an hour or so mate, what's throwing me is the big CPU and little CPU bit I'm guessing this is referring to octocore but I have a quad core, I've set up according to your template which is quite similar to the interactive settings i had set anyway, but there are parameters missing are they not needed like sync frequency and up threshold. I'll try and do some more reading but it is a lot to take in lol thanks for the reply.
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then read orginal thread,theere is a guide for dual core wich can be aplyed to quad core,or simply use setting based based my little cores with applyng your frequencies becouse they are doing al the work and big cores only burst.cheers
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nero curin said:
First of all read orginal thread for Nexus 5
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-5x/general/guide-advanced-interactive-governor-t3269557i
Please read this post in full
For now the tweak is only for ARDE overclocked kernel,Underclocked kernel from @Unjustified Dev in a few days
If you are too lazy to read the post and configure what suites best for your device I made a template kernel with already integrated tweaks working on all Cm based roms and ill upoload it asap
or simply use Kernel Aduitor to input theese settings
Setting for little CPU :
above_highspeed_delay - 30000 533333:50000 800000:30000
boost - 0
boostpulse_duration - 80000
go_highspeed_load - 99
hispeed_freq - 800000
min_sample_time - 30000
target_loads - 98 533333:5 800000:72 998400:80 1113600:17 1309000:11 1448000:81 1601000:95
timer_rate - 20000
timer_slack - 80000
Setting for BIG CPU:
above_highspeed_delay - 20000
boost - 0
boostpulse_duration - 80000
go_highspeed_load - 99
hispeed_freq - 1651200
min_sample_time - 20000
target_loads - 98 533333:60 800000:20 960000:16 1113600:20 1344000:80 1497600:7 1612800:2 1651200:95
timer_rate - 20000
timer_slack - 80000
The Introduction
I'm about to tell you how to get buttery smooth, lag free performance with insanely good battery life, using an old school governor featured in practically every kernel... This tweak is applicable to every phone with any ROM or kernel--stock or custom--that provides the Interactive Governor.
Yeah, yeah... everyone promises good battery with great performance, but who actually delivers? Maybe it isn't as smooth as you want, or maybe it requires something your kernel or ROM don't support. Or maybe the battery life promises just aren't what you expected. There's always some awful compromise. Not here!
This isn't a guide to get 36 hour battery life... provided you never use your phone. That's deep sleep optimization, which is lovely and all, but what good is the phone if you can never use it?! And with the new Marshmallow Doze feature, this strategy is becoming a think of the past. What I'm talking about is 7-14 hour screen on, actual hands-on usage times! Without compromising anything, you can get 7-8 hour screen on usage with regular, no-compromise usage habits: daytime visible screen brightness, both radios on, sync on, network location on, all the regular usage features, the whole kit and kaboodle... all smooth as a baby's butt and snappy as a Slim Jim! (Up to 14+ hours if you can stand minimum brightness and WiFi-only with a custom ROM and other stuff turned off! And this is with stock voltages and full frequency range--you'll likely get even more if you choose to optimize those as well!)
However, it should be noted that this does not apply to gaming, heavy camera use, etc. Anything that is an automatic battery killer in and of itself. There's nothing that can be done about anything that forces the phone to utilize its maximum resources all the time. But you should know that by now. Further, this guide is about optimizing the CPU as much as possible. It does not cover things like eliminating wakelocks so your phone sleeps well, removing unnecessary and battery draining stock apps, keeping your screen brightness down*, and all that stuff that's been covered in other posts ad infinitum. Those optimizations are up to you.
*You shouldn't be turning your screen brightness above about 60%. It should be more than viewable in sunlight at that brightness, and keep in mind that the brightness power requirements increase exponentially, so a 100% bright LCD screen will use about 3.5-4.5x more power than a 60% bright screen. I don't see that fact brought up often, so I thought I'd mention it here.
So, after reading a (nearly identical) guide for the EvoLTE folks over a year ago, I'm now back to update this information to provide strategies for multi-CPU devices, as well as specific settings for the Idol 3
In this guide, I am using the ARDE overclocked and underclocked kernel by @Unjustified Dev Kernel on moded stock rom by @DallasCZ AICP rom by @The Marionette. If you are using a different kernel or device, your available features may vary, so you must determine the appropriate values to use based on the instructions in this guide! If you are too lazy to do this, I will try to keep a running list of compatible settings you can just plug-and-go. But the purpose of this guide is to assist you in discovering the best values to use with your device, so if something doesn't work, it's because you're probably not following the guide and coming up with your own values! specific to your kernel and device combo! You've been warned!
My settings don't show up after I reboot! What am I doing wrong??
If you are using EX Kernel Manager, tap the power icon to the right of the setting after you set it. If you are using a different kernel manager, check with that developer to see how it's implemented. Also, give the kernel manager a few minutes after the device boots. The settings aren't applied immediately, so check back after 3 minutes and you should see the correct values.
Why is one of my CPUs not letting me change a setting or set a certain frequency?
The device may be thermally throttling and had turned off that CPU or limited it. Turn off your device and let it cool for 5 minutes, then try again. (Keep it unplugged and make sure you don't have any apps running that might be trying to use a lot of CPU while the device is off.)
These settings don't work/I'm not getting great screen on time!
You probably haven't disabled touch boost. YOU MUST DISABLE TOUCHBOOST, OR THIS WON'T SAVE YOU JACK SQUAT!!
How do I change governor/kernel settings?
If you're not comfortable or don't know how to do this, search the XDA forums. There are plenty of guides that explain this in great detail.
My kernel editor won't let me set [whatever]Mhz for a value you showed!
Either you have done something wrong, or you're using a kernel/device combo that mpdecision driver. Follow the instructions in the first post to determine the appropriate settings for your own device!
Do I have to be rooted?
Yes. See the fourth question and learn more about your device before trying to change things like governor settings!u can use right away.
Enough long winded preamble! Let's get down to...
The Nitty Gritty
Before I lay out all the settings so you can blindly enter them into your governor control, I should to explain some of the principals I employed to get the results I did. The primary thing to understand before I do is: little might you know, the settings in the Interactive governor can be tweaked on a clock range basis. That is to say, you can finely control how the governor responds at a variety of clock rates, thus better dictating how it should operate under various loads. This is integral to the configuration, because it means the difference between jumping from the slowest speed to the highest speed under load and sustaining lower clock speeds for tasks that don't really require higher clock speeds.
By default, the Interactive governor will jump from lowest speed to a "nominal" speed under load, and then scale up from that speed as load is sustained. That is lovely, but still too twitchy to provide serious efficiency and power savings. It spends most of its time at 2 or 3 clock speeds and barely hits other clock speeds that are ideal for other tasks or usage patterns.
Instead, what we want to do is configure it to handle different types of loads in different ways. A load suited for scrolling through a webpage is not the same as a load suited for downloading/processing streaming video is not the same as a load suited for snappy loading of an app is not the same as a load suited for high performance gaming. Every kind of load has different tolerances at which their minimal speed is indistinguishable from their maximal speed.
To understand what's best under a variety of tasks, we have to identify two types of load profiles: nominal clock rates and efficient clock rates.
Nominal Clock Rates
Nominal clock rates are the minimum CPU clock rates that perform a given task smoothly and without stuttering or lag. To find the nominal clock rate for a given task, turn on only the little CPU using the Performance governor and turn them both down incrementally until you find the minimum clock rate that works best for what you're trying to do, without introducing hiccups. (If you have a CPU or kernel that hotplugs individual cores, multiply that clock speed by your number of cores.) Keep the BIG CPU on the Powersave governor with the lowest frequency your kernel supports. (Or turn it off completely if hotplugging allow
For example, on my Idol 3, scrolling (not loading, simply scrolling) through a large webpage smoothly will occur when the first CPU clock rates are no less than 800Mhz. (This is on mine without background tasks taking any CPU. Yours may be different depending on services running, the browser you use, your ROM, kernel, etc.) Thus, the nominal clock rate for scrolling a webpage on my Idol3 is 800Mhz.
Efficient Clock Rates
Efficient clock rates are CPU clock rates that are unique in that they are the most optimal frequency given the range of voltage requirements. If you map out the frequency jump and the voltage requirement jump between each of the available clock rates, you will find that occasionally the voltage requirement will jump significantly without the frequency jumping proportionally to the previous differentials.
Because I cannot find the stock voltages of the Idol 3 clock speeds, this section is INCOMPLETE! If you know the voltages, please post and I can update this guide to include the Idols Efficient Clock Rates.
Clock Rate Biases
Using the information provided above, figure out both your nominal clock rates for the tasks you perform most often and your efficient clock rates depending on your kernel/custom voltage settings. For me, since I cannot determine the efficient clock rates, I use the nominal clock rates listed above. For the tasks I generally perform on my phone, my nominal clock rates are as follows:
Idle - 533Mhz
Page Scrolling - 800Mhz -
Video -960Mhz-
App Loading - 960Mhz-
High Load Processing - 144800Mhz-
(Note that you must calculate the values that are optimal for your phone for best battery and performance! Each phone is different because of the ROM, kernel, background tasks, etc!)
With this done, you will want to start the fine tuning phase! Correlate the efficient clock rates with their closest nominal clock rates, similar to below:
(This section of the guide is INCOMPLETE because I do not know the clock rate voltages for the Idol 3 If you know these, please post in the comments and I will update the guide!)
Idle - ???Mhz efficient / 533Mhz nominal
Page Scrolling - ???Mhz efficient / 533Mhz nominal
Video - ???Mhz efficient / 960Mhz nominal
App Loading - ???Mhz efficient / 960Mhz nominal
High Load - ???Mhz efficient / 1656Mhz nominal
Keep these handy, as they're going to be necessary for...
The Set Up
Now that we know what are the most efficient nominal clock rates we want to focus on and what the most optimal are for what we want to do, we will start low and scale up as necessary. It's always better to begin with underperforming and tweak the settings upward until we're satisfied with the performance of our target tasks.
In its default state, the Interactive governor has a hair trigger that will raise and lower the clock rates, which means it spends too much time at unnecessary clock speeds, wasting power, and scales down too quickly, leading to stuttering performance. We will take advantage of a seldom used feature of the Interactive governor. Specifically, that with which it determines when it is okay to scale up to each higher clock rate, on a frequency by frequency basis.
We have two primary goals: respond as quickly as possible to each load request for a lag free experience and exceed the desired clock rate for a given task as little as possible. To do this, we will instruct the Interactive governor to trigger certain clock rates in different ways depending on our expected load.
I won't explain all of the settings of the Interactive governor--there are plenty of summaries all around. (Go search now if you don't know what any of the settings for Interactive governor do. I'll wait here.) However, I will explain an incredibly powerful feature of the Interactive governor that is rarely included in those summaries: multiple frequency adjustments.
The above_highspeed_delay setting, for example, defines how long the governor should wait before escalating the clock rate beyond what's set in highspeed_freq. However, you can define multiple different delays that the governor should use for any specified frequency.
For example, we want the above_highspeed_delay as low as possible to get the CPU out of the idle state as quickly as possible when a significant load is applied. However, we don't want it to jump immediately to the fastest clock rate once it's gotten out of idle, as that may be overkill for the current task. Our target trigger (which you will later adjust to suit your system and usage profile), will begin at 20000μs. That means 20,000μs (or 20ms) after our idle max load has been reached, we want to assume idle has been broken and we want to perform an actual task. (We want this value as low as possible without false positives, because it is one of a few factors that determine how snappy and lag free the CPU's response is.)
But at this point we're not ready to take on a full processing load. We may just be briefly scrolling a webpage and don't need the full power of the CPU now that we've allowed it to break out of idle. So we need it to reach a particular frequency and then hold it there again until we're sure the load is justified before we allow it to push the frequency even higher. To do that, rather than just setting
above_highspeed_delay - 20000
we will instead use the format "frequency:delay" to set
above_highspeed_delay - 20000 533333:60000 800000:20000
"Waaaait... What does that do?!"
This tells the Interactive governor to hold out 20ms after our target load when it's at our highspeed_freq (which we're actually using as our idle frequency--not a burst frequency as originally intended), but then it tells the governor to hold for 60ms after it's reached 533Mhz. Once it has exceeded 533Mhz, it then has free reign to scale up without limitation. (This will be optimized with the target_loads setting in a minute. And if you don't know what I'm talking about when I say "highspeed_freq" then you didn't go search for the basic Interactive governor settings and read about it! Go do that before you read any further, because I will not explain the basics of this governor!)
These settings are among the most important, because they limit the phone's clock rates when you are not interacting with it. If it needs to do something in the background, chances are it does not need to run full throttle! Background and idle tasks should be limited to the lowest reasonable clock rate. Generally speaking, if you're just looking at your phone (to read something, for example), you want the phone to use as little CPU power as possible. This includes checking in with Google to report your location or fetching some pull data or... whatever. Things that you don't need performance for.
So now that we know how to specify different settings for different frequency ranges, let's finish it all up with...
The Money Shot
If you've made it this far, you're ready to put these strategies into play! If you have not read the previous sections, DO NOT COMPLAIN IF THE DEFAULT SETTINGS DON'T PROVIDE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR!! These settings are templates only and these need to be adjusted for each case based on your system and usage patterns! IF YOU ARE NOT GETTING THE PERFORMANCE OR BATTERY LIFE PROMISED, ***READ THE SECTIONS ABOVE!!!***
With that out of the way... let's rock!
If you are using a Idol 3, use the following Interactive governor settings for little CPU 1 (with 4 cores) and then tweak with the instructions below:
(If you are using a phone other than a Idol 3, you must read the above sections and replace the frequencies with your own efficient clock rates!)
above_highspeed_delay - 30000 533333:50000 800000:30000
boost - 0
boostpulse_duration - 80000
go_highspeed_load - 99
hispeed_freq - 800000
min_sample_time - 30000
target_loads - 98 533333:5 800000:72 998400:80 1113600:17 1309000:11 1448000:81 1601000:95
timer_rate - 20000
timer_slack - 80000
These defaults work fine for me, but I have otherwise optimized my system fully, so they are at the minimal adequate values. If you have background tasks that consume any somewhat significant amount of CPU on a constant basis, you will most likely see awful, stuttery performance and poor battery life! So you must adjust them to suit your system before you see results!!! Anything more than about 15-20% idle CPU use at any given time will negatively affect the results you see without further tweaking!
Optimize Idle Frequency
Now that you've got the base configuration, we need to tweak it so that the CPU stays at your efficient idle frequency (533Mhz in this case) without spontaneously jumping when your phone is actually idle. To do this, open a CPU monitor that displays the current core frequencies (I like CoolTool, but you can use what you like as long as it doesn't significantly impact the CPU use--you're best off using a passive monitor and checking the results after 30-60 seconds of no activity), watch the frequencies and see how often they go above your efficient idle frequency when you're not doing anything at all, and adjust the following:
timer_rate - If your idle frequency is not being exceeded much, adjust this downward in increments of 5000 until it is, then increase it by 5000. If your idle frequency is being exceeded often, adjust this upward in increments of 5000 until your CPU primarily stays at or below your desired idle frequency.
above_highspeed_delay - Only if your timer_rate has matched or exceeded 50000 and still won't stay at or below your desired idle frequency most of the time, set timer_rate to 50000 and adjust the "30000" portion of the value upwards in increments of 5000 until the idle frequency has stabilized.
The lower these two values are, the more snappy/lag free your system will be. So try to get them as low as possible without the idle frequency being exceeded too much, as this inversely affects the snappiness and efficiency of your phone when you're not doing anything. Lower = snappier but uses more CPU when you're not doing anything (such as reading a webpage); higher = less snappy but stays in a power saving state more often reducing CPU use when you're not interacting with the device. These are the most critical in determining your idle power savings, so keep that in mind if you want the most battery life!
Enhance Task Responsiveness
Now use the efficiency and nominal clock rate correlations you made for your master clock rate list in the section above and adjust your frequencies to suit your usage patterns. For example, I had web page scrolling as my 800Mhz rate, so I will open a web page and scroll and see how everything feels. If it feels sluggish, I will increase all the references to "600000" in both above_highspeed_delay and target_loads upwards to the next available clock rate until that task is smooth. What you are looking for is constant poor/sluggish performance when the task you're testing for is using its highest CPU use. If the task becomes sluggish/stuttery as it winds down (such as a scrolling webpage slowing to a stop), we will address that next, so do not take that behavior into consideration as you adjust these values! If the task is smooth until (or after) it slows down, then you have reached your optimal clock rate and can move on.
Find Optimal Loads
Now here's where we get a little math-heavy to determine what the optimal target_load frequencies are for each clock rate. (Might want to bust out a spreadsheet to do the math for you if you're not using a Idol 3.)
We want to determine 2 values for every available clock rate: the maximal efficient load and the minimal efficient load. To make this determination, we need to bust out our calculators. (Or spreadsheets!)
For the maximal efficient load, we want to correlate a load value no higher than 90% of a given clock rate before it would be more efficient to jump to the next clock rate–to avoid overwhelming a particular rate while avoiding premature jumps to the next. For this value, we calculate it as:
(clock rate * 0.9) / next highest clock rate
For example, the maximal efficient load for 600Mhz on the Nexus 5X would be caluclated as:
(600000 * 0.9) / 672000 = 80.36% (rounded and normalized: 80)
For the minimal efficient load, we want to correlate a load value at which anything higher would be better served by a higher clock rate. To calculate this:
(1 - next highest clock rate / clock rate) * -1
For example, the minimal efficient load for 600Mhz on the Nexus 5X would be calculated as:
(1 - 672000 / 600000) * -1 = 12.00% (rounded and normalized: 12)
For the Idol 3, the maximal efficient loads of little CPU are:
533333:60
800000:72
998400:80
1113600:76
1303000:81
1448000:81
1601000:95
For the Idol 3, the minimal efficient loads of little CPU are:
533333:5
800000:24
998400:11
1113600:17
1303000:10
1448000:10
1601000:0
For the Idol 3, the maximal efficient loads BIG CPU are:
533333:60
800000:75
960000:77
1113600:74
1344000:80
1497600:83
1612800:87
1651200:95
For the Idol 3, the minimal efficient loads BIG CPU are:
533333:5
800000:24
960000:16
1113600:20
1344000:11
1497600:7
1612800:2
1651200:2
Using Optimal Loads
Now, you might be asking, "Why the heck did I do all this math?! WHAT IS IT GOOD FORRRR????!!!!"
Well, we had put some values into target_loads earlier, but those values weren't arbitrary. See, for all of our nominal clock rates, we want the CPU to hang out on them for as long as possible, provided they're doing the job. For each frequency tagged as our nominal clock rate, we want to use the maximal efficient load in target_loads. For every other frequency, we want to use our minimal efficient load value.
We don't care about those other frequencies. We don't want the CPU to hang out in those states for very long, because it just encourages the device to be reluctant to jump to a higher nominal frequency and causes stuttering. We eliminate the desire for the governor to select those frequencies unless it is absolutely efficient to do so. For all the nominal clock rates, we want the CPU to hang out there... but not for too long! So we set those values to the maximal efficient load, so they can escape to the next nominal frequency before they overwhelm the current frequency.
All said and done, this reduces jitter and lag in the device while providing optimal frequency selection for our day-to-day tasks.
Fix Stuttering
Now that you have adjusted your frequencies for optimal high CPU use in each given task, you may notice some stuttering as the task winds down. (Such as a scrolling webpage slowing to a stop.) If this bothers you, you can tweak this at the expense of some (minor) battery life by adjusting min_sample_time up in increments of 5000 until you are satisfied.
If you have exceeded a value of 100000 for the min_sample_time setting and still are not satisfied, change it back to 40000 and increase (and re-optimize) your idle frequency by one step. This will impact battery life more, but less than if you were to keep increasing the value of min_sample_time.
However, this step should not be necessary if you properly calibrated your maximal and minimal efficient loads!
But What About That BIG CPU?!
So we've all but ignored the BIG CPU. The reason? It's a horribly inefficient processor designed for high load tasks that generally don't come into play during normal usage patterns. It's good for gaming and image processing, but not for most moderate tasks a user might employ.
But it is good for one thing that all users do pretty frequently... loading and switching apps.
Fortunately, at least for the Idol, the system is pretty smart about when to employ the power of this inefficient BIG CPU. So it's generally kept at bay most of the time. What we want is to configure it to be our burst processor–we want it to come into play spontaneously and quickly during tasks that necessitate immediate high loads, like loading and switching apps. To do this, we will ignore all but 3 frequencies:
533Mhz
1344Mhz
1651Mhz
In this case, we configure it just as we did with little CPU , but only worry about keeping it idle as much as possible, allow it to jump to 1651Mhz immediately when needed, and encourage it to fall back to 1344Mhz if a sustained load is needed.
These values are ideal for the Idol, so if you have a different phone, choose the lowest clock rate, highest clock rate, and median efficient clock rate, using the instructions previously.
The Money Shot: Part Deux
If you are using a Idol 3, use the following Interactive governor settings for BIG CPU 2. (the one with 2 cores)
above_highspeed_delay - 20000
boost - 0
boostpulse_duration - 80000
go_highspeed_load - 99
hispeed_freq - 1651200
min_sample_time - 20000
target_loads - 98 533333:60 800000:20 960000:16 1113600:20 1344000:80 1497600:7 1612800:2 1651200:95
timer_rate - 20000
timer_slack - 80000
What About Bob Touchboost?
Touchboost is a nifty feature in a lot of kernels that jumps up the frequency so that you experience minimal lag. However, with all the above settings, touchboost is usally detrimental to the efficiency of the device!
We generally want to keep the CPU on the lowest possible frequency as much as possible, and touchboost interferes with that. Further, because we've set up the maximal and minimal efficient clock rates, as well as burst processing from the little CPU core, we don't need touchboost!
If your kernel allows you to shut it off, try to do so and see if the responsiveness of your device is acceptable
The Conclusion
I have achieved unprecedented performance, smoothness, snappiness, and battery life with the default settings I outlined above. However, your mileage may vary, as every phone, ROM, kernel, installed applications, etc are different. This is a very sensitive governor profile and must be tweaked to just meet the requirements of your system and your usage patterns!
If it is not optimally tuned, performance and battery life will suffer! If you're not seeing buttery smooth, snappy performance, you have not correctly tuned it for your system!! However, if you do have superb performance (and you tweaked the values conservatively and not in large steps), then you will also get the aforementioned battery life.
If you're not absolutely satisfied (and trust me, either it'll work out-of-the-box with flying colors and you'll know it works for your system, or it'll be an awful experience which means you must tweak it), then you haven't adequately adjusted the settings to suit your system.
Lemme know what you think, and good luck!
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Whick Rom did you USE,and Which kernel ?

Alek Dev said:
Whick Rom did you USE,and Which kernel ?
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moded stock from @DallasCZ currently with oc kernel already in rom
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nero curin said:
moded stock from @DallasCZ currently with oc kernel already in rom
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okay,when you will upload new kernel you maded with governors,in the rom made by dallascz i get reboots with this kernel

Alek Dev said:
okay,when you will upload new kernel you maded with governors,in the rom made by dallascz i get reboots with this kernel
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there is alternative kernel for versions with reboots on his thread also OC kernel,im experimenting with difrent frquencies.when im sure i got the right thing ill upload until then everyone can calculate frequencies for kernel they are using ore use the themplate settings
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Thermal throttling temp/performance test

Disclaimer: I'm not responsible if you are not careful and fry your phone!
Updates and all the newest information:
Update: Disabling core control disables hotplug management altogether. If the big cluster is offline, turning core control off will cause the bigs to remain offline forever. Likewise, if the bigs are online and you turn core control off, then the bigs will never shut off. Throttling temps are not affected by core control.
As suspected, msm_thermal seems to not do anything on the Nexus 5X.
This was tested with elemental kernel and EXkernel manager. I don't know how this works on other kernels.
I ran a benchmark with BOTH msm_thermal and core control disabled and the CPU still throttled and shut off at the values specified in the thermal-engine.
That means that msm_thermal most likely doesn't do a thing on the Nexus 5X update: msm_thermal seems to be overriding the below values with "infinite". Additionally, all that core control does, as long as it is enabled, is overriding these two lines in the thermal engine:
Code:
[CPU4_HOTPLUG_MONITOR]
thresholds 41000
thresholds_clr 39000
and the same for CPU5.
update, important: For anyone not wanting to take (larger) risks but still wants to utilize the big cluster more: I attached a modified thermal-engine at the bottom of this post. Rename it from "conf.txt" to ".conf", place it under "/system/ect" and overwrite (backup first) the existing file. Set permissions to "rw- r-- r--" then reboot.
This setting uses the big cluster at max high speeds until shortly before the small cluster would be throttled. The sustained performance under medium load will be much better, but the phone will heat up faster. However, the maximum phone temperature will not increase.
Note: This is not the best setting for gaming or other heavy load. Your phone will throttle the little cluster a lot sooner. This will also drain your battery faster, but gives a better performance.
I ran some quick tests, changing the values
Code:
[PID-BIG_CLUSTER_management]
set_point 39000
set_point_clr 37000
immediatly affects the throttling temperature of the big cluster, no reboot required a reboot is required. Simply changing the temp does not affect the behavior of the PID algorithm, it just raises the starting threshold. The same goes for little cluster and GPU.
update: new information regarding thermal limits of Moto X/MI4C/Nexus 5X
update, exciting!: As @GoldGanja pointed out in this post, we might be able to raise the real throttle temperature of the big cluster
The original test for sustained frequency of the big cluster may be inaccurate, because the thermal management temp (still not sure which one it is) could have been higher/lower update: outdated, throttling temperature does not effect how long the big cluster is utilized, see below for details
It seems that setting the thermal limit actually only changes the temperature at which the big cluster is shut off. It doesn't affect the frequency curve AT ALL. I made some tests in which I raised the thermal limit after the big cluster was throttled down, and it did not increase its frequency again. It's hard to take a screenshot of this, though. The only temperature trepn can monitor is core CPU temp. However, another temperature is responsible for thermal management.
The thermal management of the big cluster looks someting like this:
Code:
if Temp below *whatever* use burst to the maximum
else go offline (or be forced to idle while grilling the phone)
This means a big cluster being forcefully kept alive by a high thermal limit does nothing except for drawing lots of power and raising the temperature.
update: under heavy load the big cluster does indeed throttle it's clock to something inbetween 1.84-0.63GHz shortly before it goes into idle mode (or offline, depending on the t limit)
The only time a big core @ 0.63GHz is utilized, is when the small core is at or below 0.96GHz. But only if the temperature is not too high (not sure how high, cannot measure this with sufficient accuracy). So @ 0.63GHz the big cluster is useless and should go offline.
The best temperature for sustained performance is 44°C. This ensures that the big cluster is used to its full potential as long as possible, while also making sure it is taken offline when it is no longer being used.
update: under medium load (e.g. browsing for some time), the big cluster will still sit unused at 0.63GHz for considerable amounts of time. To prevent this, a thermal limit of 42°C is needed. However, if the phone is sufficiently cool, a limit as low as this will take the big cluster offline even though it could still be used for some time. It's a tradeoff, I still recommend 44°C, though.
detailed and older tests below:
I ran some quick tests to see how the throttling temp limit affects performance. Tests were run on PureNexus 05/06/16 and Elemental 1.14 with GhostPepper profile. I used "Trepn Profiler" to record the data.
Instead of running a benchmark, I chose the more realistic ultimate stress test*:
*Update: As it turns out, Navigon is a really badly optimized app. Zooming the map while using GPS generates more heat than CPU benchmarks. So this test is actually a stress test.
entered a distant destination into Navigon (GPS) update: just zooming the map is enough, no need to set a destination
streamed internet radio with Xiialive and using its equalizer (Wi-Fi used for data, LTE active)
zoomed in and out on the map for about 6 minutes
It's unlikely that anyone zooms in and out of the map (update: see above, don't do this. It's the ultimate thermal stress test!) like a madman as I did, but the ambient temperature was only 24°C. So I believe at 30+°C this could actually happen while navigating, even without the constant zooming.
The first image shows the data for a limit of 46°C.
The big cluster (CPU6) is shut off at about the minute mark. After around three minutes, the small cluster (CPU1) throttles down to 960MHz and stays at this frequency. The zooming felt significantly more sluggish, but everything still worked. Just a bit slower.
The core temperature settled at just around 60°C.
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Now at a limit of 55°C things start to get interesting.
At this limit the big cluster (CPU6) is never shut down and always runs at 630MHz. After two minutes the core temperature reached 73°C, causing the small cluster (CPU1) to occasionally drop down to 500MHz!
Whenever the frequency of the small cluster dropped that low, the screen and sound froze for a few seconds. The phone was almost unusable. Every touch needed a few seconds to cause a reaction.
Update: The idling big cluster tampers with the CPU load since it is the average load. CPU load on the small cluster is not lower.
tl;dr
Do NOT set the throttling limit above 46°C! It will actually decrease performance.
Update: 44°C is the optimum

More tests!
Alright, time for some more tests:
I did three rounds using the app "stability test" for benschmarking.
First round with a cool phone so it can utilize its big cluster @ 1.82GHz.
Second round with the phone so hot that it throttles the big cluster to it's minimum frequency (thermal limit 55°C (or higher), disabling core control and enabling msm_thermal also causes this thermal behavior).
Third round with the phone so hot that the big cluster goes offline(thermal limit 46°C).
Update: I accidentally switched the description for 46°C/55°C around. Now it is coherent with the spreadsheet.
The first interesting thing to note is the CPU score. For both the (fastest) single and multi core total score, it doesn't actually matter if the big cluster is @ 0.63GHz or offline. This leads me to believe that, as soon as the big cluster is thermal throttled to 0.63GHz, it is actually no longer utilized for any task*. It is idle while still drawing power and heating up the phone, a lot actually (see first post, 10°C higher average temps).
The second interesting thing is the "sustained performance". While the big core is online for a longer time, the little core is throttled sooner.
At the end I also tested at which thermal limit the observed behavior kicks in, and found it to be 49°C. I did this using the "navigation zooming" method from the first post. Using GPS and zooming an the map in the app "Navigon" generates more heat than benchmarks.
*Update: It seems there are some weird inconsistencies regarding the big cluster. Sometimes it is used at the throttled 0.63GHz but most of the time it is not. Update: below.
Update2: When thermal throttled, the big cluster is on standby most of the time. However, on rare occasion it was the other way around and the small one was on standby. In this case the single CPU score increased again. I'm not sure what triggers this since most of the (~90%) time when the big cluster is throttled to 0.63GHz it is indeed idling. Update: below.
Update3: After more testing it seems 44°C is the safe temperature.
Update4: More tests have shown 44°C to be the best limit. While at 49°C the big core is still taken offline after some time, it is useless at 0.63GHz. So our target should be to take it offline as soon as it reaches 0.63GHz.
Update5: Now things really start to get interesting.
The original test for sustained frequency of the big cluster may be inaccurate because the thermal management temp (still not sure which one it is) could have been higher/lower
It seems that setting the thermal limit actually only changes the temperature at which the big cluster is shut off. It doesn't seem to affect the frequency curve AT ALL. I made some tests in which I raised the thermal limit after the big cluster was throttled down, and it did not increase its frequency again. It's hard to take a screenshot of this, though. The only temperature trepn can monitor is core CPU temp. However, another temperature is responsible for thermal management.
The thermal management of the big cluster looks someting like this:
Code:
if Temp below *whatever* use burst to the maximum
else go offline (or be forced to idle while grilling the phone)
This means a big cluster being forcefully kept alive by a high thermal limit does nothing except for drawing lots of power and raising the temperature.
The only time a big core @ 0.63GHz is utilized, is when the small core is at or below 0.96GHz. But only if the temperature is not too high (not sure how high, cannot measure this with sufficient accuracy). So @ 0.63GHz the big cluster is useless and should go offline.
The best temperature for sustained performance is 44°C. This ensures that the big cluster is used to its full potential as long as possible, while also making sure it is taken offline when it is no longer being used.
tl;dr:
core control should be active, msm_thermal disabled
while throttled to 0.63GHz, the big cluster is actually on standby (most of the time, see above)
for max sustained performance set thermal throttling to 44°C

This is extremely interesting. Thanks.

Awesome!
Could you also measure the implicit effect of throttling temperature on battery life ?

kruft said:
Awesome!
Could you also measure the implicit effect of throttling temperature on battery life ?
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I cannot give you exact numbers since we can't measure CPU voltage in realtime. However, the big cluster generates so much heat, even when @0.63GHz and idle, that it increases the CPU temperature by an average of 10°C. Therefore the power draw of the CPU is alot higher.
Additionally, this also leads to the battery heating up faster. A Li-Ion Battery works best at 15°C, anything above or below decreases the usable capacity. The higher the temperature, the less "juice" you get.

Razorless said:
Do NOT set the throttling limit above 46°C! It will actually decrease performance.
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Not to mention make your device very hot to touch. One thing I enjoy about the 5x are its cooler skin temperatures, measured at just 37.4 C degrees maximum and considerably cooler than most high end Android devices. For instance the N5 can have 45+ C degree skin temperatures.
With default thermals the small cores never fall under 1.44Ghz. The GPU stays at maximum clocks so sustained graphical performance (gaming, GPS navigation) remains high and device relatively cool at its maximum throttled point.
Thanks for the interesting tests.

Interesting. Thanks!

Updated
Fixed a few confusing phrases, should be easier to read now.
Also, it seems the app "Navigon" has terrible optimization. Constantly zooming the map (while using GPS) generates more heat than CPU benchmarks. GPS seems to draw alot of power as well. Much more than expected.

Big updates
Big updates guys and gals. So big it deserves its own post (main post is pretty long) to raise awareness:
Now things really start to get interesting.
The original test for sustained frequency of the big cluster may be inaccurate, because the thermal management temp (still not sure which one it is) could have been higher/lower
It seems that setting the thermal limit actually only changes the temperature at which the big cluster is shut off. It doesn't seem to affect the frequency curve AT ALL. I made some tests in which I raised the thermal limit after the big cluster was throttled down, and it did not increase its frequency again. It's hard to take a screenshot of this, though. The only temperature trepn can monitor is core CPU temp. However, another temperature is responsible for thermal management.
The thermal management of the big cluster looks someting like this:
Code:
if Temp below *whatever* use burst to the maximum
else go offline (or be forced to idle while grilling the phone)
This means a big cluster being forcefully kept alive by a high thermal limit does nothing except for drawing lots of power and raising the temperature.
The only time a big core @ 0.63GHz is utilized, is when the small core is at or below 0.96GHz. But only if the temperature is not too high (not sure how high, cannot measure this with sufficient accuracy). So @ 0.63GHz the big cluster is useless and should go offline.
The best temperature for sustained performance is 44°C. This ensures that the big cluster is used to its full potential as long as possible, while also making sure it is taken offline when it is no longer being used.

What are the defaults again?
core control off
msm_thermal on
thermal throttling at 46°C
?

Smultie said:
What are the defaults again?
core control off
msm_thermal on
thermal throttling at 46°C
?
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Default values for ElementalX are core control on, msm_thermal off, throttling 46°C.

Razorless said:
Default values for ElementalX are core control on, msm_thermal off, throttling 46°C.
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So all we gotta do is change the Thermal Throttling temp to 44?

Smultie said:
So all we gotta do is change the Thermal Throttling temp to 44?
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Indeed, and of course checking that msm_thermal is off and core control is on. Some scripts can override those settings.

That's really intresting, but what about the thermal-config? What i mean is that all the data and benchmarks you have done are with the thermal-engine running and with his default values?

GoldGanja said:
That's really intresting, but what about the thermal-config? What i mean is that all the data and benchmarks you have done are with the thermal-engine running and with his default values?
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The only things we can influence are the core control throttle temp and to choose between msm_thermal and core control. I found msm_thermal to behave the same as core control with a high temp limit.
I did not dare to run benchmarks without either core control or msm_thermal enabled.

Razorless said:
The only things we can influence are the core control throttle temp and to choose between msm_thermal and core control. I found msm_thermal to behave the same as core control with a high temp limit.
I did not dare to run benchmarks without either core control or msm_thermal enabled.
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Couldn't we change some settings of thermal-engine-8992.conf and thermal-engine-default.conf found in /system/etc?

Razorless said:
The only things we can influence are the core control throttle temp and to choose between msm_thermal and core control. I found msm_thermal to behave the same as core control with a high temp limit.
I did not dare to run benchmarks without either core control or msm_thermal enabled.
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How we do influence core control throttle temp? as far as i know core control throttle temp is managed by thermal-engine.... and in thermal engine you set a throttling on the freq. plus the unplug temp.

Is there any benefits of setting minimum big cluster freq to 384 MHz?

GoldGanja said:
How we do influence core control throttle temp? as far as i know core control throttle temp is managed by thermal-engine.... and in thermal engine you set a throttling on the freq. plus the unplug temp.
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Right now, we cannot actually influence the behavior of the thermal engine. The throttling temperature only determines at which temp the big cluster is completely shut off. It doesn't affect the frequency scaling and may be hardcoded on the chip.
khanjui said:
Is there any benefits of setting minimum big cluster freq to 384 MHz?
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I tried that and for idle temperatures it didnt't seem to make a different. However, this is almost impossible to measure since android is always doing something in the background and the CPU is seldom completely idle. We would need to be able to see voltages in realtime to analyze that.
Surprisingly, at high load the lowered min frequency of the big cluster is actually ignored. It scales back up to 0.63GHz when at high load and if throttle temp is high enough. Even though the big core is not utilized, which is really strange.
In theory, however, it should help to decrease power consumption and accelerate cooldown.

Razorless said:
Right now, we cannot actually influence the behavior of the thermal engine. The throttling temperature only determines at which temp the big cluster is completely shut off. It doesn't affect the frequency scaling and may be hardcoded on the chip.
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Razorless why you say that? Actually in the thermal-engine-8992.conf there is BOTH the SS algorithm monitor to UNPLUG the B.cores, this one is for CPU4:
[CPU4_HOTPLUG_MONITOR]
algo_type monitor
sensor xo_therm_buf
sampling 1000
thresholds 41000
thresholds_clr 39000
actions hotplug_4
action_info 1
AND there is the PID algorithm monitor to adjust max freq. based on temp, this one is for the B.cores and is present a similar one for L.cores:
[PID-BIG_CLUSTER_management]
algo_type pid
sampling 1000
sensor xo_therm_buf
device cluster1
set_point 39000
set_point_clr 37000
p_const 10.0
i_const 0.09
d_const 0.0
i_samples 10
dev_units_per_calc 10000
limit 10
While the Nexus5X uses the PID algorithm others devices, like my Mi4C uses as default a flat SS algorithm like this one:
SS-SKIN-XO-THERM-PERF]
algo_type ss
sampling 250
sensor xo_therm_buf
device cluster1
set_point 43000
set_point_clr 37000
time_constant 0
device_max_limit 800000
this means that if the B. cores reaches 43° the max freq changes to 800Mhz till temps get to 37...and all this parameters can be tuned as you pleased.

le 2 ( snapdragon varient) performance issues

Devs,
The performance of le 2 is very bad when it comes to gaming.
It is the same in every stock eui to miui and all lineage os ROMs like AICP which uses lineage is kernel.
As per my finding this is due to severe thermal throttling in eui as well as in lineage os 13 and 14.1.
Firstly the two A72 CORES don't run while any task making it like SD 650 and clock go soo down at reaching 34° to 35°c and at above temp all A72 CORES ARE DOWN in lineage is and only one works in stock eui, same goes with GPU under clocking starts at 32°c making gaming experience horrible,
Even kernel auditor don't have any control in any of the ROMs and in lineage is 14.1 27 Feb build it is told it have core control but it can make all A72 cores run couldn't control clock speeds and result is the same ,
So I request devs please make a kernel from scrap and don't take hints from eui kernel and give us good gaming experience.
Thank you

ajroxxx said:
Devs,
The performance of le 2 is very bad when it comes to gaming.
It is the same in every stock eui to miui and all lineage os ROMs like AICP which uses lineage is kernel.
As per my finding this is due to severe thermal throttling in eui as well as in lineage os 13 and 14.1.
Firstly the two A72 CORES don't run while any task making it like SD 650 and clock go soo down at reaching 34° to 35°c and at above temp all A72 CORES ARE DOWN in lineage is and only one works in stock eui, same goes with GPU under clocking starts at 32°c making gaming experience horrible,
Even kernel auditor don't have any control in any of the ROMs and in lineage is 14.1 27 Feb build it is told it have core control but it can make all A72 cores run couldn't control clock speeds and result is the same ,
So I request devs please make a kernel from scrap and don't take hints from eui kernel and give us good gaming experience.
Thank you
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My findings were exactly same as yours, the cpu and gpu, both are underclocking for even slightest of temperature rise. This is bad, but the good news is, I figured out a way, by which we can disable this poorly configured thermal throtling.
Delete this file here: /system/etc/thermal-engine-s2.conf
I don't know it it is safe or not, but I have been gaming with my device after deleting this file for about 10 days and there is no explosions yet. Hahaha.
Also, if you want, instead of deleting this file, you can modify some parameters so that, it starts throttling after some really high temperatures, instead of current values, but I like deleting that file because some thermal throtlling algorthm is always embedded in soc anyways.

shivamg95 said:
My findings were exactly same as yours, the cpu and gpu, both are underclocking for even slightest of temperature rise. This is bad, but the good news is, I figured out a way, by which we can disable this poorly configured thermal throtling.
Delete this file here: /system/etc/thermal-engine-s2.conf
I don't know it it is safe or not, but I have been gaming with my device after deleting this file for about 10 days and there is no explosions yet. Hahaha.
Also, if you want, instead of deleting this file, you can modify some parameters so that, it starts throttling after some really high temperatures, instead of current values, but I like deleting that file because some thermal throtlling algorthm is always embedded in soc anyways.
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See your findings are correct but I myself renamed thermal config s2 but it didnot have any effect and at 33 ° I can see GPU under clocked at 432 MHz and CPU under clocks itself , and at 35° the lagging in games can be seen easily
Will try deleting the file also ,hoping it can have any effect

ajroxxx said:
See your findings are correct but I myself renamed thermal config s2 but it didnot have any effect and at 33 ° I can see GPU under clocked at 432 MHz and CPU under clocks itself , and at 35° the lagging in games can be seen easily
Will try deleting the file also ,hoping it can have any effect
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My cpu temp have gone over 60°c but I haven't seen any throttling in cpu or gpu. But when, that file was present, those temperatures were never reached because of thermal throttling.

shivamg95 said:
My findings were exactly same as yours, the cpu and gpu, both are underclocking for even slightest of temperature rise. This is bad, but the good news is, I figured out a way, by which we can disable this poorly configured thermal throtling.
Delete this file here: /system/etc/thermal-engine-s2.conf
I don't know it it is safe or not, but I have been gaming with my device after deleting this file for about 10 days and there is no explosions yet. Hahaha.
Also, if you want, instead of deleting this file, you can modify some parameters so that, it starts throttling after some really high temperatures, instead of current values, but I like deleting that file because some thermal throtlling algorthm is always embedded in soc anyways.
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Deleting this file is an absolutely terrible idea. Modify it instead.

Jelixis said:
Deleting this file is an absolutely terrible idea. Modify it instead.
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At first, I thought the same. But yesterday, i have played asphalt 8 in bright sunlight(to test if there is some thermal throttling left embedded in soc). And I was right, it throttles down the gpu, big cores, small cores, even some cores went offline automatically. After the device was cooled, everything wqs back to normal. So, IMO, there is no harm even if we play in extreme conditions with the file deleted, thermal throttling will kick in when its needed. Although, I advise modifying the file to others. Hahaha

shivamg95 said:
At first, I thought the same. But yesterday, i have played asphalt 8 in bright sunlight(to test if there is some thermal throttling left embedded in soc). And I was right, it throttles down the gpu, big cores, small cores, even some cores went offline automatically. After the device was cooled, everything wqs back to normal. So, IMO, there is no harm even if we play in extreme conditions with the file deleted, thermal throttling will kick in when its needed. Although, I advise modifying the file to others. Hahaha
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Thermal throttling happens even in the best chips. Most of the time, it's integrated in the lower level portions of the chip.
Just let it be, really. Thermal throttling is the way of the chip of protecting itself from heat damage. PC processors, for example, shut down when removing the fan and reaching critical temperatures.

Jelixis said:
Thermal throttling happens even in the best chips. Most of the time, it's integrated in the lower level portions of the chip.
Just let it be, really. Thermal throttling is the way of the chip of protecting itself from heat damage. PC processors, for example, shut down when removing the fan and reaching critical temperatures.
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Ya true it is present in every chip but optimizing is Also a thing right.
In le 2 the two A72 cores don't run at all above 30°(except when opening apps while it is cool ,so after 33 or 34° they are not used in anything,and 34 is average temp of the phone while using ,that means it just exactly works like a loweclocked SD 650 which even more throttled with each degree rise in temp and at 36 ° ( which is avg temperature while gaming ) phone turns off one more A72 core meaning three A72 cores are off and one a72 is throttle to around 800 mhz and even all a53 cores run at half clock speeds and till that time GPU also reaches below 350mhz and lower a and it impossible to run even minor games like subway surfers lag free,
And since lineage is kernel has taken hint from eui kernel ,it performs exactly the same as stock kernel which leaves us with no choice left.
 @codeworkx please look into this issue and please build a kernel for gaming performance as SD 652 is getting wasted due to thermal throttling, @codeworkx I am sure you know this issue better than me ,please find time to work on it.
@shivamg95 deleting the thermal file couldn't help this

ajroxxx said:
Ya true it is present in every chip but optimizing is Also a thing right.
In le 2 the two A72 cores don't run at all above 30°(except when opening apps while it is cool ,so after 33 or 34° they are not used in anything,and 34 is average temp of the phone while using ,that means it just exactly works like a loweclocked SD 650 which even more throttled with each degree rise in temp and at 36 ° ( which is avg temperature while gaming ) phone turns off one more A72 core meaning three A72 cores are off and one a72 is throttle to around 800 mhz and even all a53 cores run at half clock speeds and till that time GPU also reaches below 350mhz and lower a and it impossible to run even minor games like subway surfers lag free,
And since lineage is kernel has taken hint from eui kernel ,it performs exactly the same as stock kernel which leaves us with no choice left.
@codeworkx please look into this issue and please build a kernel for gaming performance as SD 652 is getting wasted due to thermal throttling, @codeworkx I am sure you know this issue better than me ,please find time to work on it.
@shivamg95 deleting the thermal file couldn't help this
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Deleting that thermal engine file, did help. Don't know why it doesn't work for you.

shivamg95 said:
Deleting that thermal engine file, did help. Don't know why it doesn't work for you.
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It is not working and would have been not working for you also just check with kernel auditor,
I have check it thoroughly .
I think you don't know how to check
Tell me the process you check

ajroxxx said:
It is not working and would have been not working for you also just check with kernel auditor,
I have check it thoroughly .
I think you don't know how to check
Tell me the process you check
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First i make the soc heat by playing games or running benchmarks, then i open kernel auiditor and check if maximum cpu freq gets lowered or automatically or not. But it doesn't happen after deleting that file. Also, the gameplay seems very fluid then before. I also check for gpu max freq.

Hey, I have Cool 1 (same Soc) and yes, very dissapointed because in second 1 starts the throtling...
I have Kernel auditor. Which settings should I force?

hello, very nice threat.
I had some different experiences.
For me throotling starts slightly at 37° and bigger at 39 or 40 ... this results to throotled big cores at 1248mhz and a gpu to 432
to avoid that I made some underclocking settings which gives my setting antutu score of 69000 instead of 82000 and a geekbench score of 1000/3500 which is giving me cool and fast gaming enough
https://forum.xda-developers.com/le-2/how-to/kernel-adiutor-settings-8h-sot-colour-t3721254