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Google has decided not to release the Honeycomb source code for the foreseeable future.
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2011/tc20110324_269784.htm
I was just coming to post that. This blows.
Wow, that really pushes me toward looking for a tablet with Ubuntu instead. Looks like Honeycomb is a mess rushed for release much to soon. The more I look into Android the more closed it seems.
I think I'm going to go cry now. Does anyone know if NI already has access to Honeycomb or are we completely reamed now?
Hehe...there's a lot of very talented developer and hacker out there...when they got their hands on the xoom im pretty much sure adam with honeycomb.yey
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The article kept talking about putting Honeycomb on phones. I thought Honeycomb was made for tablets and not phones. I guessed I assumed that it was never intended to be put on a phone. Wikipedia talks about ice-cream sandwich (look up android operating system), which I haven't heard of until just now, being a combination of Honeycomb and Gingerbread. (Look at the references)
Everyone, its still available for the open handset alliance people. This includes notion ink. And notion ink already said they ported eden to honeycomb on their blog. There probably gonna launch the next pre orders with honeycomb. Delete this thread please
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craby1925 said:
Everyone, its still available for the open handset alliance people. This includes notion ink. And notion ink already said they ported eden to honeycomb on their blog. There probably gonna launch the next pre orders with honeycomb. Delete this thread please
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NI has had trouble getting the source actually. See the latest interview of Rohan at NIH.
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Either way, he is trying, and whither the hype of notion ink lately Google can't deny him source code. So give it one month and I bet hell have the source. Patience is a virtue that everyone wants to hate
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craby1925 said:
Either way, he is trying, and whither the hype of notion ink lately Google can't deny him source code. So give it one month and I bet hell have the source. Patience is a virtue that everyone wants to hate
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This is actually business as usual... only one company gets to work through development, with one device. So that was the Xoom, and Motorola. On the day the Xoom shipped, other OEMs got source access... I would presume it went to the Open Handset Alliance, but it's quite possible they have a more restricted group for the next phase.
There's a fair chance some things were rushed for the Xoom, and Google wants a chance to fix them. They never once promised anyone open development, only open source. So nothing goes out to source.android.com until it's in its final release form. And that's taken long enough in the past for folks to complain, even without the "heads up" or the presumably longer process, this being a major release, all-new hardware, and a new form factor.
I've been in the computer systems business since the early 80s, and nothing I heard from Google said to me "you don't get the source". Only, it's going to be a wait.
With that said, I would certainly hope that Notion Ink doesn't have to wait for source as long as folks like you and I.
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Everyone, its still available for the open handset alliance people. This includes notion ink. And notion ink already said they ported eden to honeycomb on their blog. There probably gonna launch the next pre orders with honeycomb. Delete this thread please
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Since no one addressed this yet I will. If you read the post correctly you will see that they have ported the Eden apps to Honeycomb. Not that they ported Honeycomb. Big difference.
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For what it's worth, direct from the horses' mouth?....
http://phandroid.com/2011/04/12/nvi...vers-and-support-for-harmony-tegra-2-devices/
EDIT: With the latest revelations or clarifications, perhaps this was misinterpretation..
Read and comment on the latest HERE
Partial Honeycomb source
Hey guys. What does this mean for us? From what it sounds like its a decent piece of Honeycomb source. Maybe enough to work with. Anyone know what we can do with this? Lets see what can be done.
http://groups.google.com/group/android-building/browse_thread/thread/b732d8cd82695ce1?pli=1
Source is not the issue, the issue is Nvidia driver support, or lack of..
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EDIT: The "lack of" may have changed for the possibility.. Let's Hope.
EDIT2: We can already see that devices based on the same Harmony platform are claiming, at least some advancement (upgrades) in the news.
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Source is not the issue, the issue is Nvidia driver support, or lack of..
-CC
EDIT: The "lack of" may have changed for the possibility.. Let's Hope.
EDIT2: We can already see that devices based on the same Harmony platform are claiming, at least some advancement (upgrades) in the news.
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So what is it that were having to wait for? Do we have no way or modifying current drivers to work?
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So what is it that were having to wait for? Do we have no way or modifying current drivers to work?
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How can I put this the way I understand it...
NVIDIA makes some reference graphics card, ASUS works on this reference card tweaking it to their custom specs and release their own version of it.
ASUS tweaks the drivers given to them by NVIDIA that works with their reference card and makes/adds what ever is needed to make it work with their version of this reference card..
Let's say NVIDIA's drivers are made for Windows 98, so that's as far as this reference card will work with and there is only so much ASUS can do with that.
Then Windows ME, XP, Vista and 7 come out... But NVIDIA stops supporting or doesn't release any more drivers. So ASUS has nothing else they can make their card work on these new versions of Windows..
Now you have to think in broader terms, I am over simplifying it and this is not the only factors..
New hardware new advances being made every day, just don't make it cost effective and convincing enough for the consumer to keep buying that older card that was for Windows 98 for their Windows 7 machine, they need something better.
NVIDIA makes something better, other vendors work on that instead. ASUS not wanting to be left behind trying to make that older card work, comes out with newer versions of what NVIDIA is coming out with...
Let's say Xpertcolor was still working on the older card and can't afford to just dump it and work on a newer card because they aren't as big as ASUS has gotten... They are at the mercy of NVIDIA..
Hope that sorta makes some sense..
-CC
clockcycle said:
How can I put this the way I understand it...
NVIDIA makes some reference graphics card, ASUS works on this reference card tweaking it to their custom specs and release their own version of it.
ASUS tweaks the drivers given to them by NVIDIA that works with their reference card and makes/adds what ever is needed to make it work with their version of this reference card..
Let's say NVIDIA's drivers are made for Windows 98, so that's as far as this reference card will work with and there is only so much ASUS can do with that.
Then Windows ME, XP, Vista and 7 come out... But NVIDIA stops supporting or doesn't release any more drivers. So ASUS has nothing else they can make their card work on these new versions of Windows..
Now you have to think in broader terms, I am over simplifying it and this is not the only factors..
New hardware new advances being made every day, just don't make it cost effective and convincing enough for the consumer to keep buying that older card that was for Windows 98 for their Windows 7 machine, they need something better.
NVIDIA makes something better, other vendors work on that instead. ASUS not wanting to be left behind trying to make that older card work, comes out with newer versions of what NVIDIA is coming out with...
Let's say Xpertcolor was still working on the older card and can't afford to just dump it and work on a newer card because they aren't as big as ASUS has gotten... They are at the mercy of NVIDIA..
Hope that sorta makes some sense..
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I suppose so. Frustrating that there isn't really anything we can do about it.
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How can I put this the way I understand it...
NVIDIA makes some reference graphics card, ASUS works on this reference card tweaking it to their custom specs and release their own version of it.
ASUS tweaks the drivers given to them by NVIDIA that works with their reference card and makes/adds what ever is needed to make it work with their version of this reference card..
Let's say NVIDIA's drivers are made for Windows 98, so that's as far as this reference card will work with and there is only so much ASUS can do with that.
Then Windows ME, XP, Vista and 7 come out... But NVIDIA stops supporting or doesn't release any more drivers. So ASUS has nothing else they can make their card work on these new versions of Windows..
Now you have to think in broader terms, I am over simplifying it and this is not the only factors..
New hardware new advances being made every day, just don't make it cost effective and convincing enough for the consumer to keep buying that older card that was for Windows 98 for their Windows 7 machine, they need something better.
NVIDIA makes something better, other vendors work on that instead. ASUS not wanting to be left behind trying to make that older card work, comes out with newer versions of what NVIDIA is coming out with...
Let's say Xpertcolor was still working on the older card and can't afford to just dump it and work on a newer card because they aren't as big as ASUS has gotten... They are at the mercy of NVIDIA..
Hope that sorta makes some sense..
-CC
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Doesn't mean that Asus can't continue to use the older drivers if Nvidia doesn't come out with something new or if Asus doesn't want to move to another new reference design. It would be up to Asus to continue updates for tech that Nvidia has moved away from. This is usually true for tech that companies have just put out (on the market) even though it is considered old by tech standards.
The question that remains for us is will Notion Ink keep the comments they made about moving to newer OS versions. Only time will tell.
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Doesn't mean that Asus can't continue to use the older drivers if Nvidia doesn't come out with something new or if Asus doesn't want to move to another new reference design. It would be up to Asus to continue updates for tech that Nvidia has moved away from. This is usually true for tech that companies have just put out (on the market) even though it is considered old by tech standards.
The question that remains for us is will Notion Ink keep the comments they made about moving to newer OS versions. Only time will tell.
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Moar i.e.; There are new features in Windows 7 which NIVIDIA never made drivers for old card, so you don't have old drivers to use to make that new feature work...
There are advancements made taking advantage of faster, newer graphics, that ASUS can't update or work on unless NVIDIA updates and gives it to them..
So yeah ASUS could in theory keep working the old drivers and make that older card work on Windows 7, but can't take advantage of any of the new features, it's slow, slower than it was on Windows 98. All the games and programs made to take advantage of these new features in Windows 7, the old Windows 98 card just can't handle, so those new games and programs just won't work or if they do, really slow and not worth the hassle.. ASUS says screw that, Xpertcolor sighs...
Get it?
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adam may not get Honeycomb?
If true it looks like the adam will not be getting Honeycomb. it does not meet the screen resolution requirement. This normally changes after it runs the internet but Honeycomb is being treated differently
http://www.knowyourmobile.com/blog/...rements_confirmed_bad_news_for_htc_flyer.html
Wrong: CYANOGENMOD 7 RELEASED, HARMONY SUPPORT, DIDN'T NOTICE ANY POSTS REFERING TO IT
Right: CM7 was released, with Harmony support.
Wrong: SHAME THAT NVIDIA ARE NOT SUPPORTING DEVELOPMENT FOR HARMONY CHIP FROM 2.2 ONWARDS IF REPORTS ARE TRUE
Right: It's a shame that nVidia isn't supporting Harmony developers from 2.2 onwards, if reports are true.
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Yes if you actually look at the other CM7 threads you will see that the Vega changes have been added to the official tree now.....
and how can you go and say that we have cm7 (2.3) and then complain about the lack of nvidia support beyond 2.2 in the same post, completely contradicts itself....
but doesnt the tegra 2 already power a bunch of honeycomb tablets already?
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but doesnt the tegra 2 already power a bunch of honeycomb tablets already?
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there are two types of tegra 2 boards, Harmony which the vega has supported to android 2.2 and Ventana which the xoom has, supported beyond 2.2
Useless posts removed, OP reformatted. All caps is just annoying.
Also, thank you Lennyuk for your expertise. I actually wasn't aware of the two Tegra 2 revisions. What are the differences between Harmony and Ventana?
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Useless posts removed, OP reformatted. All caps is just annoying.
Also, thank you Lennyuk for your expertise. I actually wasn't aware of the two Tegra 2 revisions. What are the differences between Harmony and Ventana?
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as far as I know there is not actually a great deal of differences between the two, I think the ventana board has an extra GPU slot, that might be it.
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as far as I know there is not actually a great deal of differences between the two, I think the ventana board has an extra GPU slot, that might be it.
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Interesting. I wonder why that would be since these SOCs don't have modular components, with the GPU being directly integrated into the SOC itself... Weird.
UPDATE 12 APRIL 2011:
Sorry folks looks like I caused a bit of confusion. Since this is a developer forum my comments
were targeted at Tegra Honeycomb developers and for this we’d like to focus on Ventana. For shipping or production products, customers should contact the device makers directly for OS support plans. They are responsible for the OS shipping on their device.
In relation to our linux kernel git repository, NVIDIA will continue to provide full open-source support for all of our kernel components and will push more of that upstream over time.
Andrew Edelsten
Tegra Developer Relations
NVIDIA CorporationTop
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Interesting update something for developers to get teeth into sometime
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haha to right
UPDATE 13 APRIL 2011
A lot has been read into a very short post about a Tegra development kit. I'd like to clear up a few points.
First, nothing changes in what we’re delivering to the open source community or customers. NVIDIA will continue to post the Tegra kernel to kernel.org and publish our Android code to our public git servers. Additionally, we will continue to make our BSP (codecs, GPU driver etc) available to all our hardware partners. We will continue to do this and nothing about these processes has changed.
For our partners' Android devices, NVIDIA provides support until the hardware partner chooses to no longer support the device. So, for instance, NVIDIA will support the Xoom on all versions of Android Motorola requests until Motorola ceases to support the Xoom. The same goes for ViewSonic with the G-Tablet, Notion Ink with the Adam, Acer with the Iconia, LG with the Optimus 2X and so on.
In relation to my original reply, that was a response to a specific question about a Tegra 250 Development Kit. Given the confusion, we will work with owners of Tegra 250 Development Kits individually to determine their needs. The term "Harmony" is an internal codename for the Tegra 250 Development Kit. It is not a tablet reference design. Each shipping tablet is a custom design with varying hardware components and requires a custom OS image from the OEM who made the tablet.
Finally, while we cannot support or give out third party peripheral drivers or provide the Android 3.0 source before Google does, we do want to explore whether we can assist the open source ROM makers. We will be reaching out to them today.
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Caps from original nvidia forum post.
Stop being so anal anyway
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Can anyone translate this for me? Are we (Advent Vega users) getting the Tegra 2 update? And is this the one for Honeycomb?
From what I can tell, Yes. Or am I reading this wrong?
GaiusSensei said:
Can anyone translate this for me? Are we (Advent Vega users) getting the Tegra 2 update? And is this the one for Honeycomb?
From what I can tell, Yes. Or am I reading this wrong?
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There is no "Tegra 2" Update
You are getting confused.
Basically when the Tegra2 boards were given to manufacturers they had one of two designs
Harmony which the vega has
or Ventana which newer tablets have
These are not set in stone, they were just designs that then get built to specific needs by each manufacturer.
Nvidia are not releasing their own stock images beyond android 2.2 for Harmony however they have made it very clear that it is down to each manufacturer to do this, Nvidia will support the manufacturers for as long as they want to continue service on each device.
Advent do not yet know if the manufacturer (Shuttle) will give us a HC rom, however at least 2 other clones of the Vega have confirmed it, so it looks promising.
Point of View is supposed to deliver us a fresh HC ROM, I would be really thankful!
All I need is a rom w/o cellphone stuff, just tablet things to work always with optimizations and no slow downs.. That's why I bought a tablet with tegra... but after news like this, customers like me get pretty sad and will regret buying another device from them. Gz;
FYI: This is a venting post, written spur of the moment. Probably rambling from point to point without proofreading or organizing thoughts. Don't even know if it will make sense to anyone.
In my haste to, you know, have the newest version of Android running on my Transformer, I totally destroyed it and cannot get it to be recognized in any USB form on my computer. There are tons of great ROMs built by the awesome development community, but I'm just sick of having to try out multiple ROMs just to find one that works without issues. IMO, the fault is split between Google and the hardware manufacturers. Google should force manufacturers to ship phones and tablets with stock Android. It is Google's system and they should have the control to do that. The manufacturers should be ashamed of themselves for not being able to release an update to the latest OS within a few weeks of the release, jellybean, and on a tablet that was only launched in the US in April 2011. Google should be ashamed for letting these manufacturers get away with running an outdated version on a device that is completely cabable of running the newest iteration. Had an official means of updating to Jellybean been available I would not have spent so much of my time rooting and testing ROMs to make sure I have a consistent user experience.
I look at Apple; the structure and consistency they have in regards to software updates. The first gen iPad received updates until iOS 5 for two years. Then you devices that are put out by Android manufacturers, new models are frequent and in the furry to try and saturate the market with tablets, they forget about the one that came out the day before. Too many screen sizes, different processors, causes developers to shy away. For example, there has yet to be a legitimate Spotify (which I use daily), twitter, Facebook tablet app. Even the official apps they do have for "tablets" are weak in the user interface compared to iPad apps.
I know the general public will probably never care that their phone/tablet doesn't receive the newest Android update, they call their phones "droids". That's because they don't know what they are missing since the manufacturers do not care about updating the firmware and they are running terrible skinned versions of the OS. I enjoy using my Galaxy Nexus on Verizon, but even that does not get updated from Google. Google needs to reassess how they distribute the OS and to who. Maybe it needs to be a little closed and vertical. It could help.
You have a very good point on it, I couldn't agree more with it.
But regarding the distribution of Android, I think that if the OS had to be the same on every phone/tablet, there wouldn't have a reason to exist so many different devices, it would be like Apple's iOS and its devices.
What makes the platform interesting is the fact that anyone can use it and alter some elements of it, a thing that you don't have in the strict control that Apple has on iOS.
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I agree with you in certain points - as for update procedures in general.
I am still very annoyed by the update politics of the Transformer, since the officially offered upgrades caused so
many troubles for me, as random reboots and freezing ,......
On top of it, skilled people in this forum then manage to get nice kernels and ROMs done which are just
much better in performance and stability compared to stock, that you really do wonder who the heck ASUS is hiring
I found finally a stable combo for me based on ICS but failed so far for JB.
I am at the moment testing different JB EOS and kernel combos but experience still issues.
This can become indeed kind of boring....
Your view comparing the great support of Apple on the other hand I don't share completely. It is basically the same as for their Desktop/Laptops.
It is really so much easier to only support a handfulll of devices than thousands of different combinations. Sure, you have a point that
you benefit when you choose one of their devices. But bluntly I become afraid of the growing power of Apple, since I really embrace choice.
Their are always people who prefer a certain different device because it helps their needs ( look at all the different screen sizes for Android and
then check Apple), me I prefer e.g. HW keyboard for a mobile phone.
But then I prefer as well Linux and the choice to put together your preferred OS over a non-customizable MacOSX ...
BTW: I own as well Apple devices and this is not supposed to become a flame thread, please
At the end of the day its down to us as individuals what we buy.
The reviews are not always impartial but certainly a good starting point, but i find researching any product i buy before hand a must now a days.
Great example was when i had bought my gtab - if i had read about it properly i would have know Samsung are one of the worst for updates.....but then again none of the manufacturers promise any future upgrades - maybe again we are just expecting something that we were never told we were going to get??
Never had an issue with my TF but i agree you should not have to rely on a developers site to get "improved" versions of the software - but if i had an Ipad i would have no doubt jailbroken it to improve my ipad experience aswel, just like ive done in the past with ipod touches etc. Would i get another TF - yes - im looking to get the Infinity as i still feel that the Asus TF fits my needs and is still one of the best supported tablets out there.
So the moral of the story is nothings perfect, the infos out there......we just need to be a little more astute as individuals and put the time into looking at the pros and cons before we buy. We spend the money and make the choice - not Google, Asus or Apple.:good:
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I totally destroyed it and cannot get it to be recognized in any USB form on my computer.
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That's more or less impossible unless you managed to corrupt the first few EMMC blocks that contain the apx mode code. Which you have to know what you're doing to wipe.
Boot into apx mode, install the naked apx driver, then use Easyflasher to flash back to stock
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In my haste to, you know, have the newest version of Android running on my Transformer, I totally destroyed it and cannot get it to be recognized in any USB form on my computer. There are tons of great ROMs built by the awesome development community, but I'm just sick of having to try out multiple ROMs just to find one that works without issues
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I would not have spent so much of my time rooting and testing ROMs to make sure I have a consistent user experience.
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I know the general public will probably never care that their phone/tablet doesn't receive the newest Android update, they call their phones "droids". That's because they don't know what they are missing
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You don't need to update Android unless it's a big jump like going from Honeycomb to Ice Cream Sandwich going to all that trouble to Root, Install a custom Recovery, Install a custom ROM for a minor update like Jelly Bean is silly what could you possibly need from Jelly Bean that Ice Cream Sandwich can't already do I bet the only reason is "It's the latest" and Asus are officially going to release Jelly Bean for the Transformer.
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There are tons of great ROMs built by the awesome development community, but I'm just sick of having to try out multiple ROMs just to find one that works without issues.
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Unfortunately if you want to use something other then the stock ROM it's a process of trial and error I tried Android Revolution HD ROM for example (popular ROM) and had problems with my Transformer not responding in sleep mode and random reboots I found that Cyanogenmod was stable for my device every device is different so the trial and error process is unavoidable.
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IMO, the fault is split between Google and the hardware manufacturers. Google should force manufacturers to ship phones and tablets with stock Android. It is Google's system and they should have the control to do that.
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I enjoy using my Galaxy Nexus on Verizon, but even that does not get updated from Google. Google needs to reassess how they distribute the OS and to who. Maybe it needs to be a little closed and vertical. It could help.
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Google Android is licensed as an open source operating system so Google doesn't have any power to tell manufactures they can't make their own version of Android to sell with their hardware or when you receive updates that's all the manufacturer.
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since the manufacturers do not care about updating the firmware.
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Asus have actually been great with Android updates for the Transformer just a bit slow.
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The manufacturers should be ashamed of themselves for not being able to release an update to the latest OS within a few weeks of the release, jellybean, and on a tablet that was only launched in the US in April 2011.
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You don't understand that it takes time to develop and test a new operating system on a device the process isn't as simple as you think it is you wouldn't want to suddenly get an update from Asus and then be complaining that it's unstable would you?.
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there has yet to be a legitimate twitter, Facebook tablet app
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If you are using a Tablet the screen is wide enough to be able to acceptably use a web browser for these tasks so you don't really need a specific App developed, it's really only necessary for Mobile due to small screens.
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I look at Apple; the structure and consistency they have in regards to software updates. The first gen iPad received updates until iOS 5 for two years. Then you devices that are put out by Android manufacturers, new models are frequent and in the furry to try and saturate the market with tablets, they forget about the one that came out the day before. Too many screen sizes, different processors, causes developers to shy away.
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If you prefer Apple feel free to switch but while having a range of hardware options does have it's down falls it gives you and developers more freedom and choice where as Apple will always have a small limited choice range.
Just get a Windows Phone or Windows 8 tablet. I am too, one of those who are totally sick about Android.
You know, I bought Asus Transformer TF101 right on launch and YOU HAVE NO idea how excited I am. But things started to change after using it for a day, lags, crashes, limited apps.
I've been waiting and waiting for months before ICS came, but a lot of issues are still left unresolved. Asus firmware is very prone to crashes.
I've been flashing ROM after ROM and wasted so many days on this... No way I will ever get an Android again.
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Just get a Windows Phone ....
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Talk about limited apps...
Eh, the way I look at it, ill have this tablet forever and by the time its so scratched and old I can give it to my kids and I can get the latest and greatest NEXUS having learned my lesson buying non NEXUS.
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im on jb rom from team EOS, this is the only jb rom i use until now. using nova launcher makes it almost perfect buttery smooth (perfect without Widgets on the screen) .
it's easy to find good rom without having to try all of them. just read people's comment. go to last page and see how many complaints user's has.
Using the EOS build 74 with KAT 1.4 and nothing else yields a Transformer that works perfectly for me minus the GPS. I know that people with the dock have a different set of issues but honest, my TF with EOS and KAT runs better than any stock ROM. The difference is amazing. Web browsing is very very fast, I can play all my 720P videos via SMB streaming with BSplayer.
So after more than a year my TF works as I expected it to out of the box.
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I totally destroyed it and cannot get it to be recognized in any USB form on my computer.
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Have you tried Wheelie?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1676845
Android Revolution HD and be done with it. Why the need for the latest and greatest when you can use what works? I used to be an HTC fanboy, until I got the mytouch 4g slide. I hated that phone so much. I love Sense, but just the phone was.... eh. I'm very happy with my Galaxy S3. I feel like I should have opted for the Nexus, but I'm happy with my purchase.
I still have a G1 sitting on my dresser with a charged battery just in case I feel like rockin it oldschool. I'm an OG Android user. Been using android ever since the release of the G1. I do love vanilla android, but what Samsung did with TouchWiz is just short of amazing. I used to run MIUI on my HTC Vision, I ran it for a few hours on my S3, and had to go back to TouchWiz!!
And what was posted earlier, why are you using apps on a tablet when the browser works perfectly for all those websites? Apps are more of a phone thing, screen sizes sub-5"
The update from Honeycomb to ICS was a huge one and we got it, it was not bug free but good enough to get developers working. JB is not that big update unless you need Google Now.
wow i dont know where to start. i really dont want to turn this into an ios vs android flame war. but youre completly out of your mind. first of all you have to look at it from the carriers, hardware manf, and googles point of veiw.
now hardware manuf. , and carriers have it in their best interest to not release updates for all the previous gen devices from a year or two ago, even if they are capable of running the new versions. this way the new devices look more attractive to current and potential customers.
another thing is that you cant really compare the updates from iphone-iphone3g-iphone3gs-iphone4-iphone4s-iphone5-and probably in a couple months the iphone5s that wont do anything more exciting than the last model did. same thing with the ipads. before you know it you have a drawer full of iphones that look the same and dont really do anything different.
then you have android. approx 800,000 new android devices are activated every day. EVERY EFFIN DAY. now thats insane.
how many devices that didnt originally come with ios can now run ios better than they ran their org stock os? for example there are tons of devices that came stock with windows mobile/symbian/webos etc etc and they can now run many different versions of android.
my htc HD, my htc HD2, my hp touchpad, and those are just the ones ive owned. theres tons of others that were given new life because of android and the dev community.
another thing that doesnt make sense is how you can blame google, and the hardware manufacturers and the carriers for 3rd party apps that they have no involvement in. there are millions of developers making millions of apps for millions of devices. its not googles job to make sure they run perfectly on every device. thats the deveolpers fault if facebook app works better on one device than it does on another.
you see iphone and ipad apps dont really have that problem because all the devices are exactly the same. screen size/resolution doesnt change very much at all, and new features are a bore. "oh yay the new iphone can make face time calls over a cell connection and isnt limited to wifi anymore" so what they should have been able to do that years ago.
its also not googles or the hardware manuf. fault if you knowingly go against their waranty terms and screw up your device. thats the risk you knew was there. and its part of the learning process. things like unlocking bootloaders, building custom roms, modifying hardware, cross compiling drivers and kernels, overclocking, and overall getting he most out of your device, is not for kids.
yes the typical ios fanboy just wants to get his facebook updates and be able to locate the nearest starbucks, or genius bar, just by asking siri.
but the android dev comunity and the devices they work on are doing it right. why should you be told what you can and cant do with your device? why should you pay more for a device that only does less. why should you sleep on the sidewalk for 7 days to be first in line to get the new lame updated iphone that costs double and doesnt do double.
the hp touchpad is a great example of an awesome device that was on sale for 99-150 dollars from hp. it currently runs ICS like a champ, and will be getting JB roms that rock. i also have a tf101 asus that runs JB eos like WHOA! overclocked on both cores, awesome tegra2 chip. expandable memory, AND A NORMAL HEADPHONE PORT AND USB PORT. even a nice little hdmi port. its an old device already and it still blows he doors off any current gen ipad.
then theres the newer mk802 devices and hackberry A10 boards that will do anything a high end smartphone will do for 50 bucks and hooks right up to your tv. LETS see apple tv or roku do that.
bottom line is that you dont understand how this really works, and youre getting frustrated and giving up instead of learning and becoming better and the tech.
YOU EITHER MASTER TECHNOLOGY OR TECHNOLOGY WILL MASTER YOU!! thats all for now.
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Using the EOS build 74 with KAT 1.4 and nothing else yields a Transformer that works perfectly for me minus the GPS. I know that people with the dock have a different set of issues but honest, my TF with EOS and KAT runs better than any stock ROM. The difference is amazing. Web browsing is very very fast, I can play all my 720P videos via SMB streaming with BSplayer.
So after more than a year my TF works as I expected it to out of the box.
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yeah i just updated with eos jb rom today and its so much faster than the stock asus ics rom. i was really surprise, because its still got a ways to go.
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Then you devices that are put out by Android manufacturers, new models are frequent and in the furry to try and saturate the market with tablets, they forget about the one that came out the day before. Too many screen sizes, different processors, causes developers to shy away.
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just to clarify a couple of things. There's no such thing as Android Manufacturers. well i guess with the exception of googles devices that they release is as close as you could come to calling them and android manufacturer, but the rest are not Android manufacturers. and when you think about it the screen sizes are usually pretty consistent even across different hardware manuf. you had 2.8"/3.5"/3.8"/ 4.2's were common for a while. now youre seeing mini tablet/phones in the 4.7-5+ range. but there arent that many sizes to worry about development wise. same with tablets. 7"-8"-9.7"-10.1" etc etc. same with the cpu and gpu arcitecture. you got your arms, your tegras, your mali 400's, etc etc theres an android device for everyone for anything.
i also love how my buddies iphone 5 wont display netflix properly or pandora correctly on the new screen size/dimension. maybe the iphone5s ver. 2.1 will have fixed that. in a couple years.
I know the general public will probably never care that their phone/tablet doesn't receive the newest Android update, they call their phones "droids". That's because they don't know what they are missing since the manufacturers do not care about updating the firmware and they are running terrible skinned versions of the OS. I enjoy using my Galaxy Nexus on Verizon, but even that does not get updated from Google. Google needs to reassess how they distribute the OS and to who. Maybe it needs to be a little closed and vertical. It could help.
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the general public doesnt care that their phones arent getting the newest rom/kernel versions although alot of them do. android seems to realease new versions as the hardware advances. they grow with the advancing power and abilities of devices. you wouldnt really expect a first generation tmobile g1 to run the latest jellybean version would you? its almost as if the hardware cannot really come out faster than the os to support it. everytime you hear of a new android version theres a whole new generation of way better spec'd devices that shortly follow. sorta opposite of apple, they release devices that are barely on par with devices that were released over 6 months ago or longer. if carriers dont want o update devices in order to entice customers to upgrade then i understand that. theyre in business to make a profit. i really dont see how restricting and limiting android would help in any way at all. thats the great thing about android. its just linux with a few things on top. and that is the nail in the coffin right there. unlimited customization and hackability.
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AMEN!
Greetings,
I have had an Acer C-7 Chromebook for a few Months now and find Chromium very limited to what I can do with it.
I started to get involved in the Chromium Development to make it do what I want it to do, but changed my mind when I felt like I was breaking all the 'rules' of F/OSS in doing so.
So I thought about installing an Android on the Chromebook, since it is in fact "Google Signed" which if you investigate, it is pretty hard to get around trying to get another OS into the x86 C-7 Chromebook unless it is a real Google Signed OS.
Then I read a comment about it basically being ludicrous to buy an Acer C-7 with the intent of trying to hack it to get the cheap Hardware to run a real Linux or something else. In other words, its a nightmare to hack.
Then I came across the Habey BIS-6332B. If a person wants a Desktop/Laptop type power with an Android OS I think this is the logical step to take. The thing was quoted to me when it first came out (two weeks after I bought the MITX-6500) at $176.00 US. Pretty reasonable when compared to the NVIDIA Tegra 3 Trimslice.
The Habey BIS-6332B has Android installed out of the box. Has a SATA II hole, and basically wants to be an Android Desktop/Laptop (low power consumption Freescale Quad Core) replacement.
I just posted this here in the hopes of pointing out plenty people want to hack that C-7 to Android, but the thing has been engineered to make this a grueling process.
Maybe I'm the only one, but I am a long-time fan of the now-dead WebOS, (formerly PalmOS). Back in 2011-2013, I probably had 6 or 7 different WebOS phones, and found the hardware and the software to be superior in user experience than any others. The problem was that that was the big explosion era for Android and IOS, so WebOS got pretty overshadowed, and HP, (the new owners at the time), decided to axe any further development, and ended up selling the OS to LG, who has developed it further for TVs and stuff, (I don't have all of the technical details straight, but that's a superficial summary). Anyway, recently, out of nostalgia, I pulled out an old Veer, and bought a new Pre 2, and went back into the WebOS forums realm to get a fix of my old favorite, and I was pleasantly surprised to see the work of the community to keep WebOS alive. There is an archive of hundreds of app files available on ftp, (all abandonware available for free - even the paid apps from HP catalog), ongoing development of apps and patches to keep WebOS working with all of the changes in technology, (including updates to Preware - the unofficial dev app catalog, started way back then), and LuneOS, an open developers version of WebOS, which can be built for modern phones, and which was just updated - https://pivotce.com
I think the XC is a perfect candidate for LuneOS, being small, currently affordable, (one upside to the short lifespan of official support), and having pretty good specs. Plus, there's already plenty of foundational development needed for supporting porting, (Lineage, AOSP, and even a partly-working Halium - https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/103). For anyone familiar with building/porting, the work needed to be done to build LuneOS for XC is minimal.
My problem(s): I am not familiar with building/porting. I am happy to test and learn, but I also currently don't have any regular access to a Linux computer, and even if I did, it would take me a looonng time to figure out from scratch what someone else could probably do in no time, since all of the elements are in place, (I checked with WebOS devs, and they said with what's available, building for XC is '... mostly a matter of configuration').
So, anybody out there with an XC want to do a build for us?
@harryharryharry @oshmoun ...?
Sorry, I'm not even remotely close to having the capabilities to pull a stunt like this, I think I'm currently in the same boat as you (minus the linux part)
Having said that, here's hoping someone more knowledgeable jumps in and picks up this interesting project. I'm willing and able to test and provide feedback as well of course.