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I bought a used N1 on eBay. I totally wasn't even thinking about the fact that there are different models of the phone for different carriers. Turns out I have the T-Mobile N1, but I have AT&T service currently.
I assume that there is no kind of mod/firmware to get it to use AT&T 3G, and that it's the hardware that limits me to T-Mo? Probably more than some custom firmware or something could fix?
That kind of sucks, if so. I doubt anyone would have an AT&T model, looking for a T-Mo model, eh?
Thanks for any help, if it's even possible..
Have you looked at the seller's return policy?
No returns accepted, as stated on the item page.
I can live with it (in remorse)..
The seller didn't mention what model it was at all, either.
I don't suppose Verizon uses the same bands as T-Mo?
austinm08 said:
No returns accepted, as stated on the item page.
I can live with it (in remorse)..
The seller didn't mention what model it was at all, either.
I don't suppose Verizon uses the same bands as T-Mo?
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No, they don't. T-Mobile and Verizon use totally different radio technologies.
Go onto the Marketplace forum on XDA, and trade/sell it through there.
Put your sim card in it
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Post it for sale locally on craigslist to finance a unit with the AT&T radio.
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Also if you have trouble locating the AT&T compatible N1, you may also consider the Telus version of HTC Desire. Largely the same hardware, AT&T bands, but no Euro 2100 band.
Possible bonus: AT&T does not know the IMEI of Telus Androids, and might not force you to a higher cost smart phone data plan.
Thanks for your input, guys.
I'll try first to sell it locally via Craigslist.
I really think that it will be much more difficult
since they discontinued the Nexus One, and provided it through the developers only,
it has always been the T-Mobile version which is quite disappointing....
the AT&T version seem to just disappear from manufacturing all together
point I am trying to make is that it the AT&T version should be much rarer and possibly worth more on the market since there are less quantities of it
it sucks my friend I feel for you...
How is the T-Mobile N1 different from AT&T model?
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Different radio frequencies and limited availability. Otherwise identical.
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I've done the exact opposite...got myself an ATT N1 while on tmobile...hahaha
hahah. I've since sold my T-Mo N1 on eBay and bought an AT&T N1 from Craigslist.. got a sweet deal, too!
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If you Unlock the S off on the nexus one Tmobile. You can use a At&t sm card with out a problem. I UnloCked the S off ON the mytouch 4g AND IT works on At&t s network. HMMMM. Wondering if it works.
Sir0 said:
If you Unlock the S off on the nexus one Tmobile. You can use a At&t sm card with out a problem. I UnloCked the S off ON the mytouch 4g AND IT works on At&t s network. HMMMM. Wondering if it works.
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Yes, it will function on the network. The issue is that the radio hardware is built for specific frequencies, which differ between the T-Mobile and AT&T models.
You can use one phone on the other's network just fine as a phone, but you will be limited to 2G data speeds, as AT&T uses 850/1900MHz for their 3G data and T-Mobile uses 900 1700/2100MHz.
Umm, nobody uses 900 MHz for cellular in North America... that spectrum is not allocated for that purpose here.
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Umm, nobody uses 900 MHz for cellular in North America... that spectrum is not allocated for that purpose here.
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You're right, my apologies. The fact of the matter (that the hardware is incompatible between the AT&T and T-Mobile networks) remains intact though.
Correct 3G data frequency information, as best I can make it out:
AT&T uses 850MHz and 1900MHz.
T-Mobile uses 1700MHz and 2100MHz.
900MHz and 2100MHz are used primarily in Europe; a phone made for European markets will have a better chance of being fully compatible with T-Mobile's network in the states based on sharing the 2100MHz band.
Closer but still not quite
Read up on the AWS band. European phones will not get T-Mobile 3G at all without 1700.
But in the specific case of the Nexus One, models sold in Europe do have AWS.
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Dope
I just got the mytouch 4g and i wanted to sell my nexus one. But i wanted to double check and see if i can sell it to someone on the at&t network. I currently have tmobile. I thought the S-Off was to completely unlock the phone. So u can switch between carriers. Didnt know the frequency would be different. thank guyz. Damn u HTC.
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I bought a used N1 on eBay. I totally wasn't even thinking about the fact that there are different models of the phone for different carriers. Turns out I have the T-Mobile N1, but I have AT&T service currently.
I assume that there is no kind of mod/firmware to get it to use AT&T 3G, and that it's the hardware that limits me to T-Mo? Probably more than some custom firmware or something could fix?
That kind of sucks, if so. I doubt anyone would have an AT&T model, looking for a T-Mo model, eh?
Thanks for any help, if it's even possible..
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What kind of shape is your T-Mobile N1 in?
I'm actually in the process of switching to T-Mobile, and I have an ATT model that I would potentially be interested in trading, but it's definitely not mint.
Sorry if this has been answered but I'm on the xda app and can't search. I'm thinking about getting this phone and unlocking it to work on T-Mobiles network. How cross compatible is it? Will it work with the T-Mobile "4G"?
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Lint6 said:
Sorry if this has been answered but I'm on the xda app and can't search. I'm thinking about getting this phone and unlocking it to work on T-Mobiles network. How cross compatible is it? Will it work with the T-Mobile "4G"?
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Nope, you will only get 2G (EDGE).
t-mobile and at&t use different 3G frequencies, so if you unlock it you will only get EDGE speeds. Not worthy IMO, you have lots of options in your country, i would recommend to wait for the samsung galaxy s II phone.
Will work on the network but data will be at Edge speeds, not 4G.
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Just get the new nexus s and enjoy 2.3.3 and new nfc features and 3 axis gyroscope for wii like control over games and updates first and super Smiled screen lol
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nucentury08 said:
Just get the new nexus s and enjoy 2.3.3 and new nfc features and 3 axis gyroscope for wii like control over games and updates first and super Smiled screen lol
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On the new Nexus S - if you run out of internal storage - what size memory card can you add? Oh, wait they left off the SD card slot on that model. But those super AMOLED screens are really easy on the battery right? Oh wait, if the screen is black they use less juice but not otherwise.
Sorry, had to pick on you. Suffered with the captivate for 8 months..... yeah i drank the Koolaid - now i know better - but samsung sure can spin it.
alphadog00 said:
On the new Nexus S - if you run out of internal storage - what size memory card can you add? Oh, wait they left off the SD card slot on that model. But those super AMOLED screens are really easy on the battery right? Oh wait, if the screen is black they use less juice but not otherwise.
Sorry, had to pick on you. Suffered with the captivate for 8 months..... yeah i drank the Koolaid - now i know better - but samsung sure can spin it.
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Just ignore him, hes been trolling all over the Atrix forums. The gyroscope in his phone apparently makes his keyboard so fast that he cant use punctuation.
Unfortunately NOT ...
Inspite every where they said you'll only get EDGE , I Saw one guy saying he got 4G on simple mobile which uses the TMO towers sometimes (both have same frequencies)!!!
I bought the ATRIX on TMO and for 2 days now only EDGE
nuoten18 said:
Unfortunately NOT ...
Inspite every where they said you'll only get EDGE , I Saw one guy saying he got 4G on simple mobile which uses the TMO towers sometimes (both have same frequencies)!!!
I bought the ATRIX on TMO and for 2 days now only EDGE
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nowhere do they say you can use an att phone on t mobile 3G. it's been known for years that their frequencies are different and incompatible. you just didn't do your homework before purchasing.
I knew 99% it won't work but i took the challenge anyway ..
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nowhere do they say you can use an att phone on t mobile 3G. it's been known for years that their frequencies are different and incompatible. you just didn't do your homework before purchasing.
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don't judge me ... I did my homework
... Just kinding
Actually make search for (atrix on t mobile) you'll find another disscussion about the same topic and will find the guy that I menstioned before ...
As New user I'm not allowed to post links but that what he said exactly
"Yo I got it to work with simple mobile with their 4g. Just go to gsmhosting forums and buy a code from their advertised sites. They email it to you in 5 minutes, just input imei and that it."
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Actually make search for (atrix on t mobile) you'll find another disscussion about the same topic and will find the guy that I menstioned before ...
As New user I'm not allowed to post links but that what he said exactly
"Yo I got it to work with simple mobile with their 4g. Just go to gsmhosting forums and buy a code from their advertised sites. They email it to you in 5 minutes, just input imei and that it."
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That code process is to unlock the phone to enable it to be used with networks other than AT&T. But that doesn't get you data speed any faster than 2G/Edge using an Atrix on T-Mobile's network.
I'm a little confused here. You guys are saying that the Atrix will only get 2G/EDGE speeds on TMobile because the frequencies are different.
I am currently using the Nexus One.. how is it that I'm getting 3G speeds with a phone that is compatible with both AT&T and TMobile then??
Doesnt this mean that the Atrix should be able to get 3G speeds as long as it has the appropriate software? or am I not understanding something..
There are 2 kinds of nexus ones.. one with AWS bands (tmobile) and one with the regular 850/1900 (ATT). That's why you see them work on both tmobile and att. But a single device won't work on both bands.
It is a hardware issue. No software flashing will be able to fix it. If you bought the wrong one then you're stuck with it.
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nuoten18 said:
don't judge me ... I did my homework
... Just kinding
Actually make search for (atrix on t mobile) you'll find another disscussion about the same topic and will find the guy that I menstioned before ...
As New user I'm not allowed to post links but that what he said exactly
"Yo I got it to work with simple mobile with their 4g. Just go to gsmhosting forums and buy a code from their advertised sites. They email it to you in 5 minutes, just input imei and that it."
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False. There's not a chance in the world that is true. T-Mo USA and AT&T use mutually exclusive bands. No carrier-branded phones carry both bands. The only modern phone that carries bands necessary for 3/4G on either network would be the upcoming, not-for-sale/developer-only Nokia N950.
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False. There's not a chance in the world that is true. T-Mo USA and AT&T use mutually exclusive bands. No carrier-branded phones carry both bands. The only modern phone that carries bands necessary for 3/4G on either network would be the upcoming, not-for-sale/developer-only Nokia N950.
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The Nokia N8 and E7 also have the 3G frequencies necessary for both At&t and T-mobile, as well as Europe/Asia (850/900/1700/1900/2100). However, I agree with you that no At&t/T-mobile branded device carries all the needed bands.
http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-Touchscreen-Featuring-Navigation-Camera-U-S/dp/B003ZX7RL4
http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-Unlocked-Touchscreen-Navigation-Camera-U-S/dp/B0046LTU9G
Vibrant can be used on T-Mo and AT&T as well
bimmerboii said:
There are 2 kinds of nexus ones.. one with AWS bands (tmobile) and one with the regular 850/1900 (ATT). That's why you see them work on both tmobile and att. But a single device won't work on both bands.
It is a hardware issue. No software flashing will be able to fix it. If you bought the wrong one then you're stuck with it.
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Ah, I see. I didnt realize that there are 2 types of the Nexus One.
I had assumed that since they are not branded by any carriers that they were all the same device.
Thanks
I was really hoping to have my TZones internet plan, which runs at 3G speeds on the Nexus, run on an unlocked Atrix but that doesn't look possible.
Are there any phones newer than the Nexus One that will work with Tmobile 3G and are unbranded by Tmobile?
The branded Tmo android phones lock out my Tzones.
Enforcerman said:
Ah, I see. I didnt realize that there are 2 types of the Nexus One.
I had assumed that since they are not branded by any carriers that they were all the same device.
Thanks
I was really hoping to have my TZones internet plan, which runs at 3G speeds on the Nexus, run on an unlocked Atrix but that doesn't look possible.
Are there any phones newer than the Nexus One that will work with Tmobile 3G and are unbranded by Tmobile?
The branded Tmo android phones lock out my Tzones.
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Here's a list of phones that will work with tmobile 3G. Take your pick. You may have to source it from somewhere else if you wish to buy it unlocked and unbranded.
The Nexus S is unlocked and unbranded even if you get it from tmobile. But since you are coming from the Nexus One, it is up to you if its worth the upgrade. Other than the Nexus S, have a look at dual core phones.
http://www.gsmarena.com/results.php...nes=0&sColor=&StandBy=0&TalkTime=0&sFreeText=
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i am currently running atrix 4g on system version 4.5.141 and android version 2.3.6.. I am rooted and have and unlocked boot loader. I also got the unlock code for my phone and it was successful and i am now running T-mobile sim chip i am only getting the Edge .. I have a thought as if you could change the phone frequency settings with sqlite editor i mean if you can disable the entitlement_check to enable theathering with AT&T's 2gb plan then we should be able to figure out how to change the frequency ratings of the phone to be able to run on t-mobiles 4g ... I wish that someone with a little more Knowledge could help out with this..
Can I convert My galaxy y GSM into CDMA
nope,
thats a hardware thing,
you can't change the radio of your phone
In your dream maybe you could lol
or get a new phone
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Yep u can... Change your network hardware things with galaxy y cdma...
or wait... Till i create a GSM to CDMA converter software
Nope
You can't. :beer:
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not at all
hmahadi98 said:
Yep u can... Change your network hardware things with galaxy y cdma...
or wait... Till i create a GSM to CDMA converter software
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Thats the most impossible thing since its the cellular radio inside the phone and it uses a diffent frequency range
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Yes you can and radio has nothing to do with it. I worked at a gsm cellphone company. You can use a cdma on a gsm network. I also worked for a cdma.. yes you can use a gsm on a cdma network. Though it has to be hacked and changed. I'tl void your warranty but yes it can be done.
You have to search hard for it and again radio frequency has nothing to do with it so that is bull.
The phone in part was a factory bought unlocked gsm asus zenphone 2. They wanted to use there unlocked phone on a cdma network knowing it was a gsm.
I told them it's not possible. Sorry.
Well they came back a few days later same phone. I checked the serial ect to make sure. It went from gsm to cdma. He said he got it sent away by someone online who fixed the phone.
Entered a simple from our company and we'll it worked. Not the best signal 3g at best but it worked. He woudnt tell me how he did it other then it cost ALOT.
But it can be done iv seen it in person.
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Yes you can and radio has nothing to do with it. I worked at a gsm cellphone company. You can use a cdma on a gsm network. I also worked for a cdma.. yes you can use a gsm on a cdma network. Though it has to be hacked and changed. I'tl void your warranty but yes it can be done.
You have to search hard for it and again radio frequency has nothing to do with it so that is bull.
The phone in part was a factory bought unlocked gsm asus zenphone 2. They wanted to use there unlocked phone on a cdma network knowing it was a gsm.
I told them it's not possible. Sorry.
Well they came back a few days later same phone. I checked the serial ect to make sure. It went from gsm to cdma. He said he got it sent away by someone online who fixed the phone.
Entered a simple from our company and we'll it worked. Not the best signal 3g at best but it worked. He woudnt tell me how he did it other then it cost ALOT.
But it can be done iv seen it in person.
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I'd be very interested to learn more if anyone has additional insight. It occurs to me one might be able to swap the radio unit from a donor device if you want to make a "permanent" switch...
On a side note, is it just me or are new tablets coming out with lower specs than they did a few years ago? I'm looking to get a new Tablet, compatible with Sprint. All their offerings are way underspec'd compared to my Galaxy Tab Pro c2014. It also baffles me that nobody bothers to offer a dual radio option, especially considering how (relatively) big devices have become. How much could a radio unit cost at quantity? I suppose the carriers are commissioning the designs to be best suited for their service alone?
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May be that device was a gsm and cdma when manufactured; and maybe the calling company that sold it first demanded the manufacturing company to lock it on a gsm. It seems that the online guy, who made it work on a cdma, had to only inlock the feature and not hack it’s hardware radio frequency to get it work.
what about honor play COR-L29?
Just a little curious, since I've never done much carrier hopping.
Say I buy this phone from T-mobile, would it work on Verizon? My vz phone uses a micro sim as well, but I know there are different bands the carriers run off, and gsm vs cdma and such. But some phones work on both types, correct? Is this one of them? I really don't like the look of the verizon version...
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Just a little curious, since I've never done much carrier hopping.
Say I buy this phone from T-mobile, would it work on Verizon? My vz phone uses a micro sim as well, but I know there are different bands the carriers run off, and gsm vs cdma and such. But some phones work on both types, correct? Is this one of them? I really don't like the look of the verizon version...
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It wont.
Ahh, that's what I thought, thanks for the verifcation, appreciate it.
No but if you buy it from verizon it will work on T-Mobile.
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Has anyone bought the (at&t or T-mobile) version because of the back buttons were different than the Verizon version but than used the phone on Verizon service?
i want to continue using Verizon but there version of the lg g2 sucks!.
is it possible to use the one of the other versions on Verizons service?
if i can is there any bad sides to doing so?
thanks to anyone that can help :good:
The vzw version sucks because of the buttons? Lame! Sounds like a user issue.
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verizon model does have exclusive wireless charging built in
Haha well I can get use to the buttons on the back that Verizon has but the other versions just look so much better. I don't use wireless charging either
The style of Verizon's buttons arent going to stop me from getting the phone I just like the other version better
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Technically you should be able to use it since they are world phones and have radios for both GSM and CDMA. The problem you are going to have is getting Verizon to allow it. AT&T and T-mobile will allow you to use your Verizon phone on their network. All you have to do is give them the MEID. They will even provide the APN settings for you if you ask and they are on their website.
Verizon however, is reluctant to allow ESNs that are not on their list. Same with Sprint. It isn't impossible, but you will have to jump through some hoops. There are forms to be filled out, similar to the one's to reinstate an ESN that has been flagged. It's been a while, but I believe you're looking at about a 3 week wait to see if it's approved, if they even allow you to submit the forms. I know people that have moved their Sprint phone over to Verizon, but in the end, they all agreed that it wasn't worth the hassle and they would never do it again.
EDIT: Now that I'm thinking about it, I'm not 100% sure if the AT&T and T-mobile versions have CDMA and LTE antennas. Verizon's version has them all. It doesn't really make sense for Verizon's to get GSM antennas while the other's don't get CDMA or LTE. Then again, Verizon's was a modified version to allow wireless charging, so it wouldn't be out of the question.
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Technically you should be able to use it since they are world phones and have radios for both GSM and CDMA. The problem you are going to have is getting Verizon to allow it. AT&T and T-mobile will allow you to use your Verizon phone on their network. All you have to do is give them the MEID. They will even provide the APN settings for you if you ask and they are on their website.
Verizon however, is reluctant to allow ESNs that are not on their list. Same with Sprint. It isn't impossible, but you will have to jump through some hoops. There are forms to be filled out, similar to the one's to reinstate an ESN that has been flagged. It's been a while, but I believe you're looking at about a 3 week wait to see if it's approved, if they even allow you to submit the forms. I know people that have moved their Sprint phone over to Verizon, but in the end, they all agreed that it wasn't worth the hassle and they would never do it again.
EDIT: Now that I'm thinking about it, I'm not 100% sure if the AT&T and T-mobile versions have CDMA and LTE antennas. Verizon's version has them all. It doesn't really make sense for Verizon's to get GSM antennas while the other's don't get CDMA or LTE. Then again, Verizon's was a modified version to allow wireless charging, so it wouldn't be out of the question.
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Thanks, I never knew much about switching phones to new carriers, but now I don't think I'll take that route.
Verizon version will do than :thumbup:
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bunchies said:
Thanks, I never knew much about switching phones to new carriers, but now I don't think I'll take that route.
Verizon version will do than :thumbup:
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You can't use the ATT or Tmo versions on sprint or vzw. Different radios.
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I would quite prefer the vzn version with metal buttons they are smaller button but I hadn't touched the buttons outside of booting from off and vol up occasionally
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You can't use the ATT or Tmo versions on sprint or vzw. Different radios.
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Thanks for clarifying. I looked it up myself. The AT&T and T-mobile versions lack CDMA 900 and LTE 13. Makes sense since the new nexus also skips the same bands thanks to Verizon being money grubbers.