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I have been kicking around getting SetCPU to do some auto CPU throttling to help with battery life, but I'm uncertain if I actually would see a lot of improvement.
The reason I am unsure, is I installed some CPU info widgets, and they report a CPU frequency that already seems to throttle. Is it actually doing throttling or are the widgets just not accurate? If it is throttling, is there still a case to be made for SetCPU?
Thanks!
If you want something that's just set and forget, SetCPU alone will do very little to extend usage time.
The stock kernel does throttle the CPU.
SetCPU gives you control over how your (rooted) phone throttles it's CPU, it allows you to change the CPU governor, set minimum and maximum CPU speeds, or overclock with a compatible kernel.
CPU Spy will give you a break down of what speeds the CPU is using and how often.
thanks for the info!
Hello Guys, i registered to XDA developers to ask this question so please reply. i heard many say GPU of Nexus 4 is very bad because after 20 mins of gameplay the phone gets heated and the GPU performance is Dramatically Reduced to cooldown. I am going to buy Nexus 4 thats y im asking, i didnt hear this from my neighbours..., i saw someone say this in youtube comments. Anyone Experiencing this Issue? or its a defective product?.
This is a good thread to read about Thermal Throttling: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2144652
I am not sure about the GPU actually reducing it's power when the nexus is getting hot. I know the CPU will clock lower when it has reached 70 degrees so it can cool down. Most kernel's have the ability to up this to about 100 degrees so you won't have the thermal throttling as fast. You are also able to remove the throttling completely with a commando.
I've played alot of Dungeon Hunter 4/GTA Vice City/Real Racing 3 and I have never experienced severe FPS drops because of it getting hotter. The only thing you will experience is a battery that will be empty within 2 hours.
PS: This is based on what i've read on the forums, I do not have my nexus 4 for that long and I am not a developer, someone might be able to give you more accurate information.
The thermald.conf sets the battery threshold to about 40-41C before it begins to underclock aggressively (hence why it feels sluggish). I forget the exact number. It starts reading "Overheating" status when it reaches about 46C. Max rated temperature for the battery is 60C.
At that battery temperature ~41C, the CPU is no more than about 50C, so it's not the CPU overheating.
If you feel so inclined, you can modify the thermald.conf with root to modify how aggressive the thermal throttling acts, within reason. Otherwise you'll cook your phone.
desynch- said:
The thermald.conf sets the battery threshold to about 40-41C before it begins to underclock aggressively (hence why it feels sluggish). I forget the exact number.
At that temperature, the CPU is no more than about 50C.
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or you can run a custom kernel(like trinity) that disables the battery thermal throttle and not worry about it.
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or you can run a custom kernel(like trinity) that disables the battery thermal throttle and not worry about it.
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YMMV with that. My nominal binned SoC overheats really easily. With the way I use my phone, it'd be overheating way too often.
I modified my thermald.conf so it's less aggressive. It's not that hard to figure out.
The phone throttles its clock speed like a PC. It's not a big deal.
Hi,
I know that thermothrotteling is a feature to protect the cpu against damage. But what I notice that the temperature on my Note 910F is raising quire fast and that I am running into performance issue quite easily. Just playing arround the internet , watching something at youtube is bringing the device into the throtteling mode and than everthing is in slow motion (no hardcore games are neccessary). On my Note 3 I was never aware about such a situation.
Im using the Echoe rom 1.1 with the Ecoe kernel 3.5 (and fairly conservative power saving settings), but it is not kernel related because on stock it is the same.
Anybody facing a simelar situation?
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dingolino
Thats not normal :/ i guess sd being 28nm and clocked at 2.7ghz does generate some heat
Your not alone. That is the very reason why I rooted my phone yesterday. The Samsung DVFS is very aggressive on my note 4 with 4.4 kittkatt.
Iv noticed in benchmarks once my phone heats up a little it drops the GPU and CPU down to about half speed and im only getting half the score and in gaming after a few minutes I would start to notice a little lag and my cpu speed would be staying at 1297. It slowly drops down to that then stays around there.
I disabled the Samsung DVFS and use setcpu aswell to keep it at the full speed while gaming and it works great now and the temps are hardly any different.
Many thanks for the feedback.
I have switched off Touch boost und set Max cpu to 1.9GHz
Will see how it works.
Best regards
dingolino
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It is quite annoying have such a fast phone but it downclocks both the cpu and gpu after a few mins of gaming.
A good test is GTA vice city with the settings cranked up.
With DVFS enabled once it hits about 56 degrees it starts to throttle and downclocks the gpu and cpu to about half and the game becomes a laggy mess.
With DVFS disabled its as smooth as butter but the temp goes up to about 70 degrees. Whats the max safe temp for this phone?
Matson123 said:
It is quite annoying have such a fast phone but it downclocks both the cpu and gpu after a few mins of gaming.
A good test is GTA vice city with the settings cranked up.
With DVFS enabled once it hits about 56 degrees it starts to throttle and downclocks the gpu and cpu to about half and the game becomes a laggy mess.
With DVFS disabled its as smooth as butter but the temp goes up to about 70 degrees. Whats the max safe temp for this phone?
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I do not know the safe setting.
I am using the echoe kernel and this kernel offers the “intellithermal“ feature from faux. You can set the temperatures when frequency throttling should start as well as kernel throttling. They give in the faux app also some recommendations.
Maybe you give out a try.
But I am disappointed because the throttling is affecting “normal“ life not only hard core gaming and this is for me somewhat a design fault.
At least on my Note 4 F
I never had this on my previous devices that I cannot watch a movie which is stored at my sd card. I have a number of tutorial and maintenance videos which are handy to watch on the device.
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dingolino
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I can confirm this on the N910W8. As soon as the device heats up the frame rates drop dramatically. I also don't game. Just day to day usage. It's strange that some fairly simple tasks can heat things up so much.
I removed my ScanDisk 64GB Class 10 SD card which seemed to improve the heat problem.
Also, when its cool it smokes through GeekBench 3. After it heats up it runs slower then a Galaxy S3.
Just you my friend, I don't have that problem
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Donkon....can you let me know what your idle phone cpu temp is? you can use the CpuTemp app and just let me know what it idles at on your homescreen and what it heats up to in a demanding game. Just make sure its the CPU temp and not the battery. thanks
It would be good to compare.
Also I was just doing some tests and these are my results.. im curious to know if these are normal temps.
My phone idles at around 34-38 degrees c.
With DVFS enabled it never goes above around 56 degrees as that's when it starts throttling down.
Iv never had any slowdowns in youtube or videos or anything like that. Its only gaming really and benchmarks where it starts to throttle once it heats up and in a game like gta it starts to lag abit once it throttles as it takes the gpu and cpu down to about half speed.
With DVFS disabled im able to run the full 2647 cpu speed when gaming and its as smooth as butter. My temp in riptide goes up to 58 degrees. In GTA vice city it goes up to around 70 degrees and in the unreal benchmark demo it goes up to about 74/75 degrees. Do these sound like normal temps when your running the full speed of the cpu?
Yeah, it is ok.
The Exynos start throttling at 80°C.
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Also I was just doing some tests and these are my results.. im curious to know if these are normal temps.
My phone idles at around 34-38 degrees c.
With DVFS enabled it never goes above around 56 degrees as that's when it starts throttling down.
Iv never had any slowdowns in youtube or videos or anything like that. Its only gaming really and benchmarks where it starts to throttle once it heats up and in a game like gta it starts to lag abit once it throttles as it takes the gpu and cpu down to about half speed.
With DVFS disabled im able to run the full 2647 cpu speed when gaming and its as smooth as butter. My temp in riptide goes up to 58 degrees. In GTA vice city it goes up to around 70 degrees and in the unreal benchmark demo it goes up to about 74/75 degrees. Do these sound like normal temps when your running the full speed of the cpu?
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Which kernel are you using and what means “DVFS“?
Which app are you using for the kernel settings?
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dingolino
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Im using the stock Kernel. Iv only rooted. I haven't installed a custom rom or Kernel yet.
the DVFS is samsungs own voltage and frequency control program. Its what causes the aggressive thermal throttling in kittkatt 4.4. Its been there for along time but in 4.4 its pretty much too aggressive.
When you disable it the phone wont throttle back the GPU and CPU and a silly 56 degrees so it wont start to lag in games after a few minutes.
If anyone has GTA vice city or the epic citadel unreal demo can they run it and tell me what there CPU temp goes up to in those.. I just want to make sure mines normal as it gets very hot. With DVFS it should go up to about 55-60 and without it will be around 70.
Does anyone have freezes followed by restarts when disabling DVFS for just some apps (using blacklist)? I have this problem and disabling DVFS for the whole system really annoys me (opening app speed is slowed down + power saving mode requires a restart). I'm using the exynos C version.
As we all know, the Snapdragon 810 processor in our OnePlus 2 phones is prone to overheat, especially during heavy tasks such as gaming. With the stock kernel (which probably most of you are using) this leads to the A57 cores being partially or fully shut down and the display - which generates additional heat - being dimmed in order for the phone to keep a healthy temperature (healthy for both its components and the hands that are holding it.) This, in turn, leads to lag when playing especially demanding games. Which in turn leads to a frustrated user.
With root access, it's possible to use custom kernels and/or custom thermal throttling profiles in order to (at least partially) circumvent these issues, by throttling the CPU frequency and/or limiting the number of active cores, using different schedulers and governors, and by applying thermal profiles that allow the phone to get hotter (in order to keep higher CPU frequencies for a longer duration).
Since I bought the OPT, I was playing a very power hungry game - Republique - which, at its highest graphics quality setting, pushes the phone to its limits. I quickly switched from the stock kernel to the Boeffla kernel and started experimenting with schedulers, governors, hotplugging settings, CPU/GPU frequencies and thermal profiles, but nothing I have done so far makes it possible to play the game for more than 15-20 minutes before some kind of throttling / heat control sets in and the game starts lagging.
I tried limiting both CPU clusters to only 2 cores while maintaining higher frequencies, I tried throttling the frequencies and keeping all 8 cores active, and I tried all kinds of solutions in-between with anything from 4-8 cores active and frequencies anywhere between 60% and 100%. I also tried the various thermal profiles that the kernel offers. But whatever I did, the game was either lagging right from the start, or running smoothly for about 15 minutes before the screen was dimmed and the CPU was throttled, leading to a laggy experience.
So my question is, what do you guys do to keep the OnePlus 2 from overheating during gaming, while at the same time maintaining a lag-free experience? I don't seem to get anywhere with anything I try, so I'd be extremely grateful for some useful input.
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As we all know, the Snapdragon 810 processor in our OnePlus 2 phones is prone to overheat, especially during heavy tasks such as gaming. With the stock kernel (which probably most of you are using) this leads to the A57 cores being partially or fully shut down and the display - which generates additional heat - being dimmed in order for the phone to keep a healthy temperature (healthy for both its components and the hands that are holding it.) This, in turn, leads to lag when playing especially demanding games. Which in turn leads to a frustrated user.
With root access, it's possible to use custom kernels and/or custom thermal throttling profiles in order to (at least partially) circumvent these issues, by throttling the CPU frequency and/or limiting the number of active cores, using different schedulers and governors, and by applying thermal profiles that allow the phone to get hotter (in order to keep higher CPU frequencies for a longer duration).
Since I bought the OPT, I was playing a very power hungry game - Republique - which, at its highest graphics quality setting, pushes the phone to its limits. I quickly switched from the stock kernel to the Boeffla kernel and started experimenting with schedulers, governors, hotplugging settings, CPU/GPU frequencies and thermal profiles, but nothing I have done so far makes it possible to play the game for more than 15-20 minutes before some kind of throttling / heat control sets in and the game starts lagging.
I tried limiting both CPU clusters to only 2 cores while maintaining higher frequencies, I tried throttling the frequencies and keeping all 8 cores active, and I tried all kinds of solutions in-between with anything from 4-8 cores active and frequencies anywhere between 60% and 100%. I also tried the various thermal profiles that the kernel offers. But whatever I did, the game was either lagging right from the start, or running smoothly for about 15 minutes before the screen was dimmed and the CPU was throttled, leading to a laggy experience.
So my question is, what do you guys do to keep the OnePlus 2 from overheating during gaming, while at the same time maintaining a lag-free experience? I don't seem to get anywhere with anything I try, so I'd be extremely grateful for some useful input.
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All the phones throttle while gaming. I use thermal extreme with boeffla kernel. And use 2 a53 at 1,3ghz and 2-4 a57 at 1,4ghz and I modified the throttle file and it underclock to 1,2ghz when it gets hot but it doesn't happen if you don't play longer than 30minutes and it doesn't lag either. You can leave stock settings but if course it will get hot quicker. Also with thermal hotplugged or something like that, I used it all cores online all the time at full speed and it doesn't throttle for a long time, so I don't know what overheating are you talking about. My nexus 5 throttle faster and disable 2 of 4 cores and leave the other 2 at half speed, and our processor overheats?. Oneplus throttle the device a lot because of the rumors, fortunately we can change that. Try what I said, cheers.
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All the phones throttle while gaming. I use thermal extreme with boeffla kernel. And use 2 a53 at 1,3ghz and 2-4 a57 at 1,4ghz and I modified the throttle file and it underclock to 1,2ghz when it gets hot but it doesn't happen if you don't play longer than 30minutes and it doesn't lag either. You can leave stock settings but if course it will get hot quicker. Also with thermal hotplugged or something like that, I used it all cores online all the time at full speed and it doesn't throttle for a long time, so I don't know what overheating are you talking about. My nexus 5 throttle faster and disable 2 of 4 cores and leave the other 2 at half speed, and our processor overheats?. Oneplus throttle the device a lot because of the rumors, fortunately we can change that. Try what I said, cheers.
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Thanks for the tip with thermal extreme! The implementation in the latest Boeffla kernel v1.1 beta1 seem to do a very good job of not letting the phone get too hot while at the same time not throttling the CPU too much. Today, the performance was stable for almost 30 minutes of gaming, and when I checked the CPU stats I saw that all cores were still active (2x A53 + 4x A57), and only throttled to 960 MHz. This still delivered enough performance. (I started the game with both CPU clusters at 1.2 GHz, so this also seemed to help with keeping the phone at an acceptable temperature. I'm sure it would've gotten much hotter much quicker at higher CPU frequencies.)
I have to admit though, I was playing inside in an unlit room and thus the screen wasn't at max. brightness. We'll see how it will perform during my next work break when I have to make the screen much brighter.
vonotny said:
Thanks for the tip with thermal extreme! The implementation in the latest Boeffla kernel v1.1 beta1 seem to do a very good job of not letting the phone get too hot while at the same time not throttling the CPU too much. Today, the performance was stable for almost 30 minutes of gaming, and when I checked the CPU stats I saw that all cores were still active (2x A53 + 4x A57), and only throttled to 960 MHz. This still delivered enough performance. (I started the game with both CPU clusters at 1.2 GHz, so this also seemed to help with keeping the phone at an acceptable temperature. I'm sure it would've gotten much hotter much quicker at higher CPU frequencies.)
I have to admit though, I was playing inside in an unlit room and thus the screen wasn't at max. brightness. We'll see how it will perform during my next work break when I have to make the screen much brighter.
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Does it throttle to 960mhz? for me never reach 1,2ghz. Playing real Racing for 30min it stays at 1,2ghz. And with thermal hotplugged (all cores enabled, all at stock freq gpu too) it doesnt throttle for 30 min, gpu only sometimes to 510mhz, i played 30 minutes and it didnt throttle, i dont know when it was going to throttle because i stop playing. But also, gaming with all cores and no throttling eats the battery.
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Does it throttle to 960mhz? for me never reach 1,2ghz. Playing real Racing for 30min it stays at 1,2ghz. And with thermal hotplugged (all cores enabled, all at stock freq gpu too) it doesnt throttle for 30 min, gpu only sometimes to 510mhz, i played 30 minutes and it didnt throttle, i dont know when it was going to throttle because i stop playing. But also, gaming with all cores and no throttling eats the battery.
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I guess it throttled to 960 MHz because the game I'm currently playing (République) is pretty resource hungry.
Hi there,
Is it possible to overclock the cpu and gpu?
If so how? Or which rom/kernel?
Running G model 4gb ram
Even if you can, it will chew the battery and heat up.
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Even if you can, it will chew the battery and heat up.
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Not a problem as I would only be using it sometimes not permanently
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Not a problem as I would only be using it sometimes not permanently
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in theory it is, we had a a kernel that OC'd the CPU way back then, but the SoCs on the Axons are probably low-binned - shutdowns and stuff like that are commonplace
But still, do you know what OC does to a phone? New phones are thermally constrained devices, starting from the snapdragon 800 series onwards. remember the sd805/810 disaster? Well...
If you run your phone at 100% load, it will run at max speed (1.56/2.15) for a very short time (say, 30 seconds), until the SoC reaches a specific temperature. After that it'll go down to a more manageable frequency, eventually going even further down or staying at 1.8 ghz, depending on your specific situation (the pink thermal blob might be bad).
That's why VR mode sets your cores at around 1.8 ghz, to keep them from going hot and lowering frequency even more. Sustained performance is better than burst performance on gaming.
Day to day usage is another matter, because more frequency won't mean thermal throttling when opening apps or unlocking the phone, beside the obvious battery usage
TL/DR: Be prepared to make your own kernel if you want to OC. It might not work