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I'm not the first guy to call in the attorneys but my frustration over the wi-fi issues on the stock A500 and the lack of a adequate resolution over the issues have me thinking class action. Anyone else thinking along these lines?
Im not rooted, and ive done nothing special to this thing except getting 2 OTA updates (the first one and then 3.1) and ive never had any problems with the wifi.
maybe you should just do a warranty replace?
Oskiee said:
Im not rooted, and ive done nothing special to this thing except getting 2 OTA updates (the first one and then 3.1) and ive never had any problems with the wifi.
maybe you should just do a warranty replace?
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Many others have reported it as a software issue and I'd be without for up to a month while they "fix" a non-existent hardware issues and I have to pay shipping for the privilege.
Cause everyone wants something for nothing. Rather than just return it and get a replacement or a different brand they prefer to try dragging a lawyer into it. Mine since I replaced my first has worked flawless.
Your poll is missing some options. Like or Are you happy with the product..... plus many other options.
I'm happy with my tablet, haven't had any issues with it, and I really mean it; none whatsoever. As such I sure wouldn't partake in any class action suit.
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I'm not the first guy to call in the attorneys but my frustration over the wi-fi issues on the stock A500 and the lack of a adequate resolution over the issues have me thinking class action. Anyone else thinking along these lines?
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What wifi issues? You mean the lack of AdHoc support? That's an Android thing and bugger all to do with Acer in the first place, plus, it uses my phone's hotspot mode fine. Four of my phones, in fact. Mind you, they're all Acer's so maybe they run their hotspot in infrastructure mode instead of AdHoc...
T0yman said:
Cause everyone wants something for nothing. Rather than just return it and get a replacement or a different brand they prefer to try dragging a lawyer into it. Mine since I replaced my first has worked flawless.
Your poll is missing some options. Like or Are you happy with the product..... plus many other options.
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I paid a premium for the unit when it first came out. I'm not asking for something for nothing. I want a software fix for a demonstrated problem which they had 2 chances to do (3.0 and 3.1). It's like buying a new car and then being told you can't drive it for a month while they repair it. I've tried to get support and having the unit out of my hands for up to a month and paying for the shipping doesn't do it for me...I'd take a software fix or advanced replacement with my credit card as collateral, but Acer doesn't consider it something they would do to resolve what is obviously their problem.
I can't paste links yet, but a quick search of wifi and 3.1 will get you several threads.
I had intermittent problems which were traceable back to DHCP leases in 3.0 and then under 3.1, it became unusable like many others.
You wont win...
I as well am very happy with my Oxonian.very happy with my Acer monitors very happy with my Acer notebook.that I did have to have repaired.not only did they fix the fan noise issue when I sent it in.tech called me saying if I would like he would replace the keyboard and the bezel over the track pad as there were some cosmetic wear
Acer is second only to HP in sales and service.and this is only due to the fact HP has awesome tech support.
For the trolls this is my openion if you disagree its your right state your. Openion if you like do not bash mine
Nice people are much more gorgeous
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I paid a premium for the unit when it first came out. I'm not asking for something for nothing. I want a software fix for a demonstrated problem which they had 2 chances to do (3.0 and 3.1). It's like buying a new car and then being told you can't drive it for a month while they repair it. I've tried to get support and having the unit out of my hands for up to a month and paying for the shipping doesn't do it for me...I'd take a software fix or advanced replacement with my credit card as collateral, but Acer doesn't consider it something they would do to resolve what is obviously their problem.
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I paid the premium when it first came out and I noticed the GPS was not working so I returned it and got a replacement that did work. Quit whining, you should have returned it when you found the problem. Now since you waited your stuck using their support, that's how the system works.
Mine never drops connection, I have read where others are but I would have returned it. Even if you win a Class Action, the only ones that make money are the lawyers and you will still have a tablet your not happy with.
Sometimes bad things happen to good devices! That's what warranties are for. And if you didn't deal with it during your exchange period, that's too bad for you! Now you'll have to deal with the warranty procedure.
The court systems are bogged down with frivolous litigation. I have the utmost faith that Acer will deal with your rare wifi issue promptly and fairly. And if you aren't willing to take the appropriate steps to remedy the situation, I think it's highly unlikely that a judge is going to even look at the case.
Shameful, if you ask me. But that's just my two cents. Enjoy your lawsuit
I have had no problems with the WiFi on my A500. connects every time and I have never lost connection.
Moonking
The only real issues of this fine tablet are a) the dhcp lease issue, which can be manually solved in literally 30 seconds and b) the slow gps lock, which has been improved in the leaked 3.1 (the chinese version that appeared here about 20 days ago) that I use. And if all else fails, we already have custom ROMs and custom kernels that can add extra functions and remove Acer bloatware.
So, if you can't be bothered to correct the wifi issue everytime, just return your device and get yourself an ipad or something.
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I'm not the first guy to call in the attorneys but my frustration over the wi-fi issues on the stock A500 and the lack of a adequate resolution over the issues have me thinking class action. Anyone else thinking along these lines?
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Get a life?
I get 4 strong bars
Same here. WiFi and GPS works great from day one till 3.1 update. Same on 4 Iconias my friends have. If it doesn't work just return it or replace it with a new one. Much cheaper then loosing a law suite.
No issu here since the begining with Wifi or GPS of my tablette.
I'm change many times of firmware, for finaly stay with 020 stock 3.1, with all firmware i'm try, wifi always working nice, connect in less than 1s, so...
I have had the wifi problem and the fix for it is pressing the reset button up to two time. Doing once worked for me but some people have to do it twice to fix the problem. I am rooted with the adhoc fix. O be sure to turn off wifi between reset and forget connection.
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I'm happy with my tablet, haven't had any issues with it, and I really mean it; none whatsoever. As such I sure wouldn't partake in any class action suit.
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Rooted, running latest official 3.1 build and have no issues. GPS works great. Wifi works great. System is fast, web browsing is great, and I am impressed by the structural integrity of the unit - don't use any screen protection, been using my a500 hours a day and not a single scratch on the screen.
Highly recommended this unit to friends and family, who report similar experiences.
OP - maybe you are doing it wrong?
WiFi got better for me after the 3.0.1 update then alot better after the 3.1 update. Then someone on the forum suggested firmware updates for the router. Bingo!
Also I don't care much for lawyers, especially class action lawyers.
If it wasn't for lawyers we wouldn't need lawyers.
What's black and brown and looks good on a lawyer? A doberman.
There was a dead skunk and a dead lawyer in the middle of the road, what was the difference? Skid marks in front of the skunk.
On Digitimes "Samsung reportedly to phase out from microSD card market" as you can see it is being reported that Samsung plans to phase out microSD cards http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130507PD224.html. Also, consider if they go the way of Amazon, Nexus and the rest with no microSD cards--no way for users to warehouse their own data. Therefore requiring an internet connection to access your own data, then there will be few products out there with microSD cards and the storage you buy will be all you have unless you want to store your information on remote servers "cloud" to be accessed only if you have a web connection.
To voice your opinion about microSD cards you can email [email protected] and input. The more people who input on wanting them to continue to use microSD cards/slots in their future products the better chance they will keep the technology. I know this is a matter of choice and everyone feels differently about it, but, if you value having microSD please contact Samsung.
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Samsung did respond to my email and said they have inquired about who issued the statement, to the division that handles the microSD card products. At this time, they will work to validate the info for additional review & consideration. Of course, they appreciated the interest & input. One thing my email did was let them know someone appreciated having the microSD slots & cards.
It is very ugly that every company is getting more greedy to get money out people's pocket. This reminds me about someone who have thoughts about companies making larger apps for android in order to make a bigger storage devices just to earn more money. The whole concept about android is the open source codes, but now you have the codes but lack the devices. Android is getting more like apple I guess.
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It is very ugly that every company is getting more greedy to get money out people's pocket. This reminds me about someone who have thoughts about companies making larger apps for android in order to make a bigger storage devices just to earn more money. The whole concept about android is the open source codes, but now you have the codes but lack the devices. Android is getting more like apple I guess.
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Think about when you install a custom rom using clockwork mod and installing the zip from the externalSD card and that not being there and having to use your laptop if the devs have to develop roms that you have to side-load then install the zip using the device's install system. With 16GBs on-board you are lucky if you get 11GBs free space after the system apps are loaded on. To get 32GBs or higher than you have to buy that out the door. Not like they are making tablets that you can just out-the-box hook to an external drive.
AllThingsD (Wall Street Journal) published an article yesterday that 21st century currency is user information and that users need to get used to "not having any privacy" using technology as rent payment for accessing digital content.
All I Can Say is wow!!! I'm choosing the S4 over the HTC one for 2 Reasons and one of them happens to be the sdcard Slot, the other of course is the Replaceable Battery. If they had removed the option this go around I would be sporting an HTC one right now.
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LuCeiFeR said:
It is very ugly that every company is getting more greedy to get money out people's pocket. This reminds me about someone who have thoughts about companies making larger apps for android in order to make a bigger storage devices just to earn more money. The whole concept about android is the open source codes, but now you have the codes but lack the devices. Android is getting more like apple I guess.
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I agree, well to a point, android's OS is still way more lenient. I'm just glad someone acknowledged Google's hand In this. It is not just Samsung, Google is trying to move away from using sdcards and towards bigger internal memory, so it's just a matter of time before the vast majority of companies move in that direction, IMO.
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Think about when you install a custom rom using clockwork mod and installing the zip from the externalSD card and that not being there and having to use your laptop if the devs have to develop roms that you have to side-load then install the zip using the device's install system. With 16GBs on-board you are lucky if you get 11GBs free space after the system apps are loaded on. To get 32GBs or higher than you have to buy that out the door. Not like they are making tablets that you can just out-the-box hook to an external drive.
AllThingsD (Wall Street Journal) published an article yesterday that 21st century currency is user information and that users need to get used to "not having any privacy" using technology as rent payment for accessing digital content.
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One does not really need to use an external SD, he can always install internally.
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I agree, well to a point, android's OS is still way more lenient. I'm just glad someone acknowledged Google's hand In this. It is not just Samsung, Google is trying to move away from using sdcards and towards bigger internal memory, so it's just a matter of time before the vast majority of companies move in that direction, IMO.
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One does not really need to use an external SD, he can always install internally.
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In there defense, the cost of internal storage is dropping and the capacities are finally where they need to be to be viable to not need an SD card to have enough storage on a device. the only bad thing is that now we HAVE to buy the highest capacity instead of the lowest one and just adding a card.
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In there defense, the cost of internal storage is dropping and the capacities are finally where they need to be to be viable to not need an SD card to have enough storage on a device. the only bad thing is that now we HAVE to buy the highest capacity instead of the lowest one and just adding a card.
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Good point, and I understand their other concerns, like having apps on the sdcard, coupled with multi users could cause problems. It just sucks, because many people enjoy having the ability to have convenient, removable storage.
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Good point, and I understand their other concerns, like having apps on the sdcard, coupled with multi users could cause problems. It just sucks, because many people enjoy having the ability to have convenient, removable storage.
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I am on your side, I don't like having to pay top dollar to get the capacity I want, so I won't be in the market till my tab 2 breaks. Apple as much as I hate them did this for a reason and the other companies are following that reason now, the reason is sdcards vary greatly in speed and reliability so if they don't let you use one they control the flash memory 100% and it allows them to optimize the device for the particular flash memory they use, ultimately it gives you better overall performance not having some random cheap sdcard in the device and thats what they are trying to do and I can understand that even if I don't like what it means cost wise.
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I agree, well to a point, android's OS is still way more lenient. I'm just glad someone acknowledged Google's hand In this. It is not just Samsung, Google is trying to move away from using sdcards and towards bigger internal memory, so it's just a matter of time before the vast majority of companies move in that direction, IMO.
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Yes, you do when installing custom roms instead of side-loading the zip from a laptop to the device. Also, good for easy swapping and having unlimited storage capacity. I store a couple in my tablet case because I have different things on different cards & total over 500 apps. Last thing I want is having to "need" a web connection to access my own info. Also the DOJ is now saying they don't need a warrant for digital content--email, FaceBook, Twitter or cloud storage to access the info they need despite 4th amendment protection. MicroSD cards gives you some data privacy everyone doesn't want to live a public life.
I agree with the value of removable cards, much more flexible.
However the article doesn't say Samsung is considering removing SD card slots, but is considering moving out of the manufacture of SD cards.
It is possible that may be their final intent though.
It is apparent they have now established a specification difference from htc by retaining them,I don't think they'll be in a hurry to abandon that advantage.
How many of us would have considered an htc one if both had the same lack of ,or inclusion of SD card slot .
I would have
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Yes, you do when installing custom roms instead of side-loading the zip from a laptop to the device. Also, good for easy swapping and having unlimited storage capacity. I store a couple in my tablet case because I have different things on different cards & total over 500 apps. Last thing I want is having to "need" a web connection to access my own info. Also the DOJ is now saying they don't need a warrant for digital content--email, FaceBook, Twitter or cloud storage to access the info they need despite 4th amendment protection. MicroSD cards gives you some data privacy everyone doesn't want to live a public life.
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I agree that it makes it much easier, and love having an external sdcard, but you can also download a ROM to your device, and install it from there. Just did it earlier today, because my sdcard is getting full. And i guess it would also suck if you were building ROMs, so i do see your point.
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Samsung should have really allowed the Tab 2 to save apps and whatnot to the external SD card. They clearly marketed it with 16gb of storage with 32gb expansion, but not that the expansion will be as limited as it is.
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Just got done talking to Amazon and discovered that I'm still in the window to be able to return the OUYA and get a full refund, so I'm taking that opportunity rather than continue to hope that the OUYA team will decide to deliver on the open console they promised.
After seeing how others have been treated and being ignored myself, I simply have no faith in their ability to deliver. Instead I see only more of the same, and instead of problems being fixed I see OUYA choosing to release version 2.0. If they'd screw over the kick-start backers, why wouldn't they screw over us too? The lack of communication, lack of transparency, lack of honesty make me think the OUYA have no future going forward and no vision beyond chasing the next customer at the expense of current ones.
Why would I stick around? To throw more good money after bad? Even if the community manages to paper around most of the issues plaguing the console, it will be at the expense of the console functionality--being able to just buy a game and play it, instead everything will eventually be through the Google Play Store (in which case what is the point of buying OUYA games?) or there will be all sorts of alternative stores trying to deliver OUYA Discovery store games without the OUYA team's blessings and that will only work for so long before it gets categorized as piracy...
What future is there here?
And please don't say XBMC, because one of the reasons I'm throwing in the towel is because I am unable to get my USB drive with all my videos recognized on the OUYA. That being the case, it's not even good to me as a Media Center device. Not when there are much better supported options available that I don't have to hack to make work all the time.
Emulation you say? What good is emulation with such a small internal disk and no real ability to expand the storage?
No, I'm done. But I'm wondering who else is thinking about walking away and returning their OUYA for a refund, and what are they planning on getting as an alternative?
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Just got done talking to Amazon and discovered that I'm still in the window to be able to return the OUYA and get a full refund, so I'm taking that opportunity rather than continue to hope that the OUYA team will decide to deliver on the open console they promised.
After seeing how others have been treated and being ignored myself, I simply have no faith in their ability to deliver. Instead I see only more of the same, and instead of problems being fixed I see OUYA choosing to release version 2.0. If they'd screw over the kick-start backers, why wouldn't they screw over us too? The lack of communication, lack of transparency, lack of honesty make me think the OUYA have no future going forward and no vision beyond chasing the next customer at the expense of current ones.
Why would I stick around? To throw more good money after bad? Even if the community manages to paper around most of the issues plaguing the console, it will be at the expense of the console functionality--being able to just buy a game and play it, instead everything will eventually be through the Google Play Store (in which case what is the point of buying OUYA games?) or there will be all sorts of alternative stores trying to deliver OUYA Discovery store games without the OUYA team's blessings and that will only work for so long before it gets categorized as piracy...
What future is there here?
And please don't say XBMC, because one of the reasons I'm throwing in the towel is because I am unable to get my USB drive with all my videos recognized on the OUYA. That being the case, it's not even good to me as a Media Center device. Not when there are much better supported options available that I don't have to hack to make work all the time.
Emulation you say? What good is emulation with such a small internal disk and no real ability to expand the storage?
No, I'm done. But I'm wondering who else is thinking about walking away and returning their OUYA for a refund, and what are they planning on getting as an alternative?
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I for one am planning on using my OUYA as a paperweight. It looks quite good.
In all seriousness, I bought this never intending to bother with stock firmware, so when I get back to school I'll toss CM10.1 on it and use it to complement an ailing Logitech Revue. As a kickstarter backer though, I can't exactly return my unit, and I don't know that I'd feel good about selling it to anyone. Neat idea, awful execution on the software side.
That's a rather long post to tell us you just don't like your unit. Mine works fine. No problems with XBMC either. Playing across from my 4 terabyte home server with no issues.
BAXY Launcher as a replacement, live wallpapers, music and more. Kind of funny that you're returning yours because software that hasn't been released officially for it yet doesn't work right. That doesn't sound funny to you?
Blasted from my Samsung Galaxy SIII (CM10.1 Masta Mix).
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In all seriousness, I bought this never intending to bother with stock firmware, so when I get back to school I'll toss CM10.1 on it and use it to complement an ailing Logitech Revue. As a kickstarter backer though, I can't exactly return my unit, and I don't know that I'd feel good about selling it to anyone. Neat idea, awful execution on the software side.
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Well I differ slightly here. With exception of the USB bug, limited usability of the touchpad, and overscan issues (which AFAIK never effected me) I honestly thought the default launcher was pretty good.
The Discover menu could have been cleaned up a bit, but for a new console with a limited repository of software, it was pretty good at showing off what was available. Some of the lists were a bit redundant, but that was understandable considering at this point we're all playing the same games. I would have expected the lists to diverge quite severely as newer games were added.
I would have liked to see a list for games which had been bought by percentages, a queued downloads section somewhere so you knew what was already selected for download and a way to see how much was in the pipe left to come and a place for all the games you'd purchased previously so you could add them back in to your library more easily once you started building it up. Would have even been a good idea to add a wishlist option so you could remember games you'd tried in the past but decided to buy at a later time for some reason. Otherwise the interface really didn't offend me all that much.
It was hardware bugs and usability issues that bothered me more than anything.
And while I'm sure the community will be able to fix most of these, I feel that in doing so the OUYA stops being a game console and becomes an Android computer.
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That's a rather long post to tell us you just don't like your unit.
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Who says that I didn't like my OUYA? When it worked it was the most amazing thing in the world. I could have both games and my media all with the same device. I liked it so much that despite having intended it as an emulation\xbmc box I began buying games. Does that sound like someone who doesn't like their OUYA?
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Mine works fine. No problems with XBMC either. Playing across from my 4 terabyte home server with no issues.
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Not everyone has a NAS of that type. I do however have a 1TB WB USB drive formatted to NTFS, a 2TB Seagate USB drive also formatted to NTFS, and a 3TB Toshiba USB drive formatted to FAT32. Since the last update my OUYA likes none of them. Before the last few updates I was able to make use of all of them by powering off the OUYA, plugging them in and upon restarting doing a system reset (returning to factory defaults).
Then I too was able to enjoy xbmc from my OUYA and was blown away by how well the video playback was. The problem is that I am unable to get my USB drive to mount ever since the latest update. And having to do a system reset every time I moved the OUYA somewhere to show it off and having to readd all my xbmc libraries and all my games got old after the third time. Worse was when mandatory updates hit and required me to do a reset because the update unmounted the USB somehow. Worse yet was when I posted about it on the OUYA twitter account and was completely ignored.
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Kind of funny that you're returning yours because software that hasn't been released officially for it yet doesn't work right. That doesn't sound funny to you?
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Perhaps if that was why I'm returning the OUYA it would seem funny. Unfortunately for your strawman argument I am not returning the OUYA because it doesn't run alpha software without issues; I am returning my OUYA because it is missing basic functionality in the USB port and unable to mount USB drives. Amazon has listed as my reason for return "defective" hardware.
Without being able to mount the USB drive I am unable to use my OUYA for its purpose. By breaking the USB mounting as they have, the OUYA team have rendered the console unfit for its purpose. Is that clear enough?
--bornagainpenguin
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Well I differ slightly here. With exception of the USB bug, limited usability of the touchpad, and overscan issues (which AFAIK never effected me) I honestly thought the default launcher was pretty good.
The Discover menu could have been cleaned up a bit, but for a new console with a limited repository of software, it was pretty good at showing off what was available. Some of the lists were a bit redundant, but that was understandable considering at this point we're all playing the same games. I would have expected the lists to diverge quite severely as newer games were added.
I would have liked to see a list for games which had been bought by percentages, a queued downloads section somewhere so you knew what was already selected for download and a way to see how much was in the pipe left to come and a place for all the games you'd purchased previously so you could add them back in to your library more easily once you started building it up. Would have even been a good idea to add a wishlist option so you could remember games you'd tried in the past but decided to buy at a later time for some reason. Otherwise the interface really didn't offend me all that much.
It was hardware bugs and usability issues that bothered me more than anything.
And while I'm sure the community will be able to fix most of these, I feel that in doing so the OUYA stops being a game console and becomes an Android computer.
Who says that I didn't like my OUYA? When it worked it was the most amazing thing in the world. I could have both games and my media all with the same device. I liked it so much that despite having intended it as an emulation\xbmc box I began buying games. Does that sound like someone who doesn't like their OUYA?
Not everyone has a NAS of that type. I do however have a 1TB WB USB drive formatted to NTFS, a 2TB Seagate USB drive also formatted to NTFS, and a 3TB Toshiba USB drive formatted to FAT32. Since the last update my OUYA likes none of them. Before the last few updates I was able to make use of all of them by powering off the OUYA, plugging them in and upon restarting doing a system reset (returning to factory defaults).
Then I too was able to enjoy xbmc from my OUYA and was blown away by how well the video playback was. The problem is that I am unable to get my USB drive to mount ever since the latest update. And having to do a system reset every time I moved the OUYA somewhere to show it off and having to readd all my xbmc libraries and all my games got old after the third time. Worse was when mandatory updates hit and required me to do a reset because the update unmounted the USB somehow. Worse yet was when I posted about it on the OUYA twitter account and was completely ignored.
Perhaps if that was why I'm returning the OUYA it would seem funny. Unfortunately for your strawman argument I am not returning the OUYA because it doesn't run alpha software without issues; I am returning my OUYA because it is missing basic functionality in the USB port and unable to mount USB drives. Amazon has listed as my reason for return "defective" hardware.
Without being able to mount the USB drive I am unable to use my OUYA for its purpose. By breaking the USB mounting as they have, the OUYA team have rendered the console unfit for its purpose. Is that clear enough?
--bornagainpenguin
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If it did work, don't you think it might have just broke in the last update. They wouldn't include a USB port if they didn't want everyone to use USB HDDs. It broke, but they'll fix it. Can't see returning it because of one update bug.
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I'm rocking the hell out of my OUYA, with the Play store installed, sdcard enabled, and controller support becoming the norm I plan to be playing mine for a loooong time. It's a much more elegant solution than a phone or tablet with hdmi out. Yeah the OUYA store has a crappy selection, but that is about the only knock against it I have. Your loss man.
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If it did work, don't you think it might have just broke in the last update. They wouldn't include a USB port if they didn't want everyone to use USB HDDs. It broke, but they'll fix it. Can't see returning it because of one update bug.
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It's not just one update bug--before this to get it to work took a lot of jumping through hoops. And who says they'll get to fixing it in a reasonable time frame? Look how long it took for them to fix the overscan bug, people were waiting three or four months with an OUYA that couldn't play most games.
Maybe if I'd at least gotten a response or a promise that they were working on it, I might stay, but the silence from OUYA has been very telling. Amazon already refunded my debit card, so I don't think I have a choice at this point, even if I found out there was an update this afternoon that fixed everything.
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Well I differ slightly here. With exception of the USB bug, limited usability of the touchpad, and overscan issues (which AFAIK never effected me) I honestly thought the default launcher was pretty good.
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The stock launcher is horrible. I didn't think it was bad until I tried out BAXY, now I know it is utter crap. The BAXY developers have made a better launcher in 2 weeks than OUYA did in a year.
And while I'm sure the community will be able to fix most of these, I feel that in doing so the OUYA stops being a game console and becomes an Android computer.
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Thats already what it is. It is both.
Who says that I didn't like my OUYA? When it worked it was the most amazing thing in the world. I could have both games and my media all with the same device. I liked it so much that despite having intended it as an emulation\xbmc box I began buying games. Does that sound like someone who doesn't like their OUYA?
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Who said you didn't like it? Let's see... *Reviews thread* Oh, I did. You returned it because something went buggy for you in an update that took place exactly one week ago. ONE WEEK. Hell, Sony borks an update on the PS3 a few times a year, and the latest one took what, 3 weeks for them to patch? I wonder how many PS3 owners returned their POS3's during that time period...
No, it doesn't sound like someone that didn't like their OUYA, it sounds like someone that is unrealistic and doesn't understand how dynamic the firmware and software is these days. In your opinion, they should have just seen there is a problem, clicked "FIX USB BUGS" on their SDK interface, and sent out an immediate update.
Right?
Not everyone has a NAS of that type. I do however have a 1TB WB USB drive formatted to NTFS, a 2TB Seagate USB drive also formatted to NTFS, and a 3TB Toshiba USB drive formatted to FAT32. Since the last update my OUYA likes none of them. Before the last few updates I was able to make use of all of them by powering off the OUYA, plugging them in and upon restarting doing a system reset (returning to factory defaults).
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Yay?
Perhaps if that was why I'm returning the OUYA it would seem funny. Unfortunately for your strawman argument I am not returning the OUYA because it doesn't run alpha software without issues; I am returning my OUYA because it is missing basic functionality in the USB port and unable to mount USB drives. Amazon has listed as my reason for return "defective" hardware.
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Strawman argument? What is this, 1856? I didn't say anything sounded funny either. I reviewed the Amazon page for the OUYA, and yes, it says...
Need more storage? No problem. Just plug in an external hard drive into the USB 2.0 port.
So I agree, that would be basic functionality since it was listed to be a feature on the device. Did they screw it up? It looks like for some, yes, they did. Do you want a quick fix that borks something else or do you want them to fix it right, along with some other things, and submit an update once a week instead of once every day or two?
Oh, and don't pretend that "Amazon has listed as my reason for return 'Defective' hardware". You listed it as that for your reason of return, I've returned enough to Amazon to know how it works. Even that reason would be wrong. Your hardware is fine, the software has a defect. For now.
I guess I should return mine too since my USB mouse/keyboard combo keeps logging on as controller one. Amazon will list this as "damaged in shipping"
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The stock launcher is horrible. I didn't think it was bad until I tried out BAXY, now I know it is utter crap. The BAXY developers have made a better launcher in 2 weeks than OUYA did in a year.
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I guess I'd have to try out BAXY for myself to 'get' the improvement. I stand by what I said for now though, based on my use of the current store it doesn't strike me as all that bad.
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Who said you didn't like it? Let's see... *Reviews thread* Oh, I did. You returned it because something went buggy for you in an update that took place exactly one week ago. ONE WEEK. Hell, Sony borks an update on the PS3 a few times a year, and the latest one took what, 3 weeks for them to patch? I wonder how many PS3 owners returned their POS3's during that time period...
No, it doesn't sound like someone that didn't like their OUYA, it sounds like someone that is unrealistic and doesn't understand how dynamic the firmware and software is these days. In your opinion, they should have just seen there is a problem, clicked "FIX USB BUGS" on their SDK interface, and sent out an immediate update.
Right?
I reviewed the Amazon page for the OUYA, and yes, it says...
Need more storage? No problem. Just plug in an external hard drive into the USB 2.0 port.
So I agree, that would be basic functionality since it was listed to be a feature on the device. Did they screw it up? It looks like for some, yes, they did. Do you want a quick fix that borks something else or do you want them to fix it right, along with some other things, and submit an update once a week instead of once every day or two?
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Ha-ha-ha....yeah, that's exactly what I wanted! The OUYA team needs to just press their magic doo-hickey in their super duper OUYA SDK and reenable large disks support, all the while serenading us with music from unicorn horns and rainbows coming from every television set! How did you know?
Only, sarcasm aside and all your attempts to make me out to be foolish to the contrary--yes, that is exactly what I do expect to see happen. I expect the OUYA team to fix what they broke. What I start to suspect is deliberate breakage.
Hear me out please. And help me to understand please how any other conclusion is a better one to fit the details...maybe you'd rather pretend the OUYA team is simply incompetent? Although honestly I'm not quite sure how that makes things better...
Let's look at the facts, shall we? All it takes to fix USB external hard drive detection is root installation of the Paragon app. That's all that needs to happen, then the external storage will work again. Will work without a need to do a system reset every time you plug in the drive or jump through other hoops. This is something I've been told over and over again and seen others told over and over again whenever the issue of large USB disks not mounting was brought up--just root and install Paragon and your troubles will be over. It's easy.
I've also seen mention of a script which could run which would make needed changes in vold.fstab (a bit more understanding of the system needed to accomplish but easy enough if you know what you're doing and can follow instructions.) Since not everyone is comfortable with editing system files the easy button is to simply use Paragon and this is why it gets recommended so often.
Meanwhile I sit here just amazed that an external application can do what the OUYA developers seemingly cannot do and will not discuss doing. Are we really supposed to believe the makers of the system are unable to fix so simple of a problem as this because it is so extremely complicated---booooooooo--be very very scared---booooooooo....and yet outsiders can program an app that can do it apparently without breaking down a sweat? Really? Maybe incompetence is looking to be a better rationale after all?
No, as I said before this whole thing stinks to high heaven and between the USB bug (which looks less and less like a bug every day that goes by without an official fix) and the overscan bug which if posts by people who suffer from it are to be believed is only a bandaid that did nothing to fix the actual problem, the locked bootloader, the lack of root, lack of openness, large numbers of people on kickstarter who still haven't gotten their units, DRM that makes you depend on OUYA being there to continue playing what you paid for, etc etc...it starts to look like a pattern. And with the lack of communication it's impossible to know if things are ever going to be different.
I'm not hopeful. I posted this thread in hopes of someone giving me a reason to find hope again, to decide to stick it out and expect things would get better and no one has. So tomorrow after work when I can finally have some time to head over to the UPS pick up while the store is still open I'll be taking the printout Amazon sent me and returning the OUYA to get my money back.
I've seen others also making this decision and posting about it too. Maybe if enough of us return our devices the number of people saying no sale and voting with their wallets will be enough to make the OUYA team wake up and fix things. If they're as incompetent as you seem to think they are, I'm not sure how much good it will do though....
--bornagainpenguin
I think most of the problem with not having root, which is the root of a lot of problems, is that the device is being made for more than the members on this forum and other developer communities.
The device needs to be user friendly to some degree. If they start making root a standard, than those who don't know otherwise will start bricking their consoles left, right and center
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sasamifan said:
The device needs to be user friendly to some degree. If they start making root a standard, than those who don't know otherwise will start bricking their consoles left, right and center
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All OUYA would have had to do was made it accessible via easter egg, similar to how developer options are enabled now on most roms by tapping the build number. They could even have paid homage by making it be the Konami code that unlocked things.
It's not *that* hard and is what they promised.
Most of the user friendly issues could be resolved by having a working recovery that allowed backups to be created before messing with the system. Something like CWM....
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bornagainpenguin said:
Well I differ slightly here. With exception of the USB bug, limited usability of the touchpad, and overscan issues (which AFAIK never effected me) I honestly thought the default launcher was pretty good.
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There's no accounting for taste. I'm glad it worked for you-- for me, it was a thoroughly unpleasant experience (probably made worse by the physical arrangement of the OUYA buttons on the controller, which for me are simply confusing). It just looked and felt very tacky to me, and seeing how paltry the native settings menus were before the system rolled over and coughed up the Android native Settings app made me feel like I was running someone's first theme.
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The Discover menu could have been cleaned up a bit, but for a new console with a limited repository of software, it was pretty good at showing off what was available. Some of the lists were a bit redundant, but that was understandable considering at this point we're all playing the same games. I would have expected the lists to diverge quite severely as newer games were added.
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For a storefront that ostensibly wants to highlight breakout titles as well as expose others, I found the display to be a fairly uninteresting grid that made it hard to see any given titles as standout. In their defense though, I was never really interested in the stock OUYA firmware.
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I would have liked to see a list for games which had been bought by percentages, a queued downloads section somewhere so you knew what was already selected for download and a way to see how much was in the pipe left to come and a place for all the games you'd purchased previously so you could add them back in to your library more easily once you started building it up. Would have even been a good idea to add a wishlist option so you could remember games you'd tried in the past but decided to buy at a later time for some reason. Otherwise the interface really didn't offend me all that much.
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Ditto.
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It was hardware bugs and usability issues that bothered me more than anything.
And while I'm sure the community will be able to fix most of these, I feel that in doing so the OUYA stops being a game console and becomes an Android computer.
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More or less yes, and if I could do it again I would definitely have opted for a different solution (probably one of the upgraded Google TV sets). Although I probably will enjoy messing with the OUYA later (not having a good TV at home makes this hard), I must confess that my interest in messing around with ROMs has been fading fast over the last few months (more or less coinciding with swapping out my Galaxy Nexus for a HTC One). I still primarily own and use Nexus to tinker, but for the TV? I kind of want to be a bit lazier there.
Anyway, as for what you were saying earlier, I doubt the bugs are out of deliberate malice but unintentional/unconscious priority bias. They're out to make money first over encouraging a dev community, which is understandable, but it means that any fixes and resources aren't going to go where we'd like. OUYA has had a sort of Jekyll/Hyde thing going for a while now-- is it a consumer product? A dev box? Both? It's harder than I think they realized to be both.
In the end I just couldn't do it. Subconsciously I guess I really didn't want to return my OUYA because I kept checking to see if there'd been any updates and putting off the return. It didn't help that I had to work overtime all week and kept missing the window where the drop off for UPS is. I finally got a hold of Amazon and cancelled the refund.
Nothing has changed, all of the issues I mentioned before still exist, but I just can't let go. If---a big gamble as far as I'm concerned---but IF the OUYA team do manage to pull themselves up from the tailspin they're currently in and fix the system so it'll do all that they promised us from the beginning, the OUYA has the potential to rule the family room. The truth is nothing else seems to be aiming for the same heights that the OUYA is. There are so many things they have right that it just frustrates me all the more when something doesn't work right.
And most of these things they keep getting wrong are things that are easily fixable! I think someone in the thread said that the launcher baxxy was banged out in two days? I see a fix for the USB problem was posted almost immediately on the OUYA developer forums in June. An app has been developed and posted that allows a one click root via a big button, just like we were promised... Like I said, frustrating.
But I'm in. For as long as the OUYA works, or can be made to work. For as long as there is a community who wants to keep going forward.
I apologize to anyone who thought I came off a troll, honestly I wasn't trying to be.
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bornagainpenguin said:
In the end I just couldn't do it. Subconsciously I guess I really didn't want to return my OUYA because I kept checking to see if there'd been any updates and putting off the return. It didn't help that I had to work overtime all week and kept missing the window where the drop off for UPS is. I finally got a hold of Amazon and cancelled the refund.
Nothing has changed, all of the issues I mentioned before still exist, but I just can't let go. If---a big gamble as far as I'm concerned---but IF the OUYA team do manage to pull themselves up from the tailspin they're currently in and fix the system so it'll do all that they promised us from the beginning, the OUYA has the potential to rule the family room. The truth is nothing else seems to be aiming for the same heights that the OUYA is. There are so many things they have right that it just frustrates me all the more when something doesn't work right.
And most of these things they keep getting wrong are things that are easily fixable! I think someone in the thread said that the launcher baxxy was banged out in two days? I see a fix for the USB problem was posted almost immediately on the OUYA developer forums in June. An app has been developed and posted that allows a one click root via a big button, just like we were promised... Like I said, frustrating.
But I'm in. For as long as the OUYA works, or can be made to work. For as long as there is a community who wants to keep going forward.
I apologize to anyone who thought I came off a troll, honestly I wasn't trying to be.
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Trust me if you think OUYA have made a pigs ear of software you've never had a really bad Android box. I put up with the Minix Neo X5 for 6 months before binning it. That was a truly god awful pile of crap. I've done more with the OUYA in a month than I did in 6 with the Neo. Sure, it's not perfect... but it's on the right track.
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That's a rather long post to tell us you just don't like your unit. Mine works fine. No problems with XBMC either. Playing across from my 4 terabyte home server with no issues.
BAXY Launcher as a replacement, live wallpapers, music and more. Kind of funny that you're returning yours because software that hasn't been released officially for it yet doesn't work right. That doesn't sound funny to you?
Blasted from my Samsung Galaxy SIII (CM10.1 Masta Mix).
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Would you rather he write a post saying "I dont like the ouya it isnt open and i want my money back." you know there are people who do post that way, be happy he detailed his experience.
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Trust me if you think OUYA have made a pigs ear of software you've never had a really bad Android box. I put up with the Minix Neo X5 for 6 months before binning it. That was a truly god awful pile of crap. I've done more with the OUYA in a month than I did in 6 with the Neo. Sure, it's not perfect... but it's on the right track.
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Well my first Android was a Pandigital Novel, so.....
Yeah, I get what you mean though. I was looking through the competition while I was unable to get to the UPS drop off point and kept thinking to myself that even with the stuff that OUYA's gotten wrong, they're still so much further ahead of the curve than anyone else! But that's why it's so frustrating to see them missing this stuff and ignoring the requests of their customers to fix things already. I really don't think it's as hard as people are pretending it to be.
--bornagainpenguin
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I really don't think it's as hard as people are pretending it to be.
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Your absolutely right if you look in the lk bootloader source it's really easy to make a button to get into bootloader. Alot of the other issues would only take someone with the source code a day or less (per issue and some one who is familiar with it).
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Your absolutely right if you look in the lk bootloader source it's really easy to make a button to get into bootloader. Alot of the other issues would only take someone with the source code a day or less (per issue and some one who is familiar with it).
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So you see what I mean and understand why I'm so skeptical when people keep making excuses for them?
Like I said over at Ouya Forums, it's a two line edit thereabouts. If it can be done by you or I in vold.fstab as a dirty hack, there's no reason why the OUYA team with their access to the source code can't fix it properly.
The only thing I can think is malicious interference or sheer incompetence to explain their reticence in fixing things.
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I like my Ouya, and thank goodness they sent me a retail kit instead of a preorder kit. Maybe getting it really late is a blessing in disguise.
I agree with a lot of things said in this topic RE: the makers of this box. The hardware's fine (well mine was), but their customer service support is lacking. I haven't seen this much reputation damage since XBAWKS. (not XBone, XBAWKS).
If the dev community is not happy and abandons the thing... at least the controller is salvagable. Not as good as the X360 or PS3's, but decent and better than the unusual Wiichuck, more comfortable than a bluetooth clip gamepad, no proprietary connection protocols and no MAC address hacking needed.
RED ZMAN said:
That's a rather long post to tell us you just don't like your unit. Mine works fine. No problems with XBMC either. Playing across from my 4 terabyte home server with no issues.
BAXY Launcher as a replacement, live wallpapers, music and more. Kind of funny that you're returning yours because software that hasn't been released officially for it yet doesn't work right. That doesn't sound funny to you?
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RED ZMAN!!!!, how make work CIFS.ko modules in ouya
i need mount NAS server in my home and add this munt at startup.
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Ariel
When is Android 6.0 Marshmallow coming to the Nvidia Shield TV? Nvidia is planning to upgrade all of us, right?
It's coming, as to when, well, your guess is as good as anybody's. I tweeted @NvidiaShield and the response was "you know we always have something cooking". Im looking forward to using external sd as internal. Other than that I don't know what else there really is to look forward to with it.
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I'm so excited for it !
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I'm so excited for it !
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Why?
Not trolling, genuinely curious. Since Shield TV is a "set top" box, things like Doze, battery savings, On Tap, really wouldn't matter.
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Why?
Not trolling, genuinely curious. Since Shield TV is a "set top" box, things like Doze, battery savings, On Tap, really wouldn't matter.
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Probably for the support of external memory being used as internal.
I can't wait for marshmallow too! I've been searching for ways to move apps 100% to the microSD card but so far nothing works!
I've tried all the apps 2 sd apps on Google Play and I even tried this:
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This module changes value (path to internal SD card) in some Android APIs which apps use. Control this path in module's settings. You can enable this module for all apps or only for specific apps. Also you can enable full access to external SD card (for KitKat+)
http://repo.xposed.info/module/com.pyler.xinternalsd
Neo3D said:
I can't wait for marshmallow too! I've been searching for ways to move apps 100% to the microSD card but so far nothing works!
I've tried all the apps 2 sd apps on Google Play and I even tried this:
XInternalSD
This module changes value (path to internal SD card) in some Android APIs which apps use. Control this path in module's settings. You can enable this module for all apps or only for specific apps. Also you can enable full access to external SD card (for KitKat+)
http://repo.xposed.info/module/com.pyler.xinternalsd
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I made a post here on Xda explaining how to have apps to external USB hdd if that's any help to you it's in the general section for the shield
Believe me, you won't be happy with marshmallow's sdcard adoption implementation. I don't care if this thing gets marshmallow lol. It runs everything perfect as it is right now. How about some goddamn top tier games tho, nvidia?!
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I made a post here on Xda explaining how to have apps to external USB hdd if that's any help to you it's in the general section for the shield
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Link, please?
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Link, please?
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Link
---------- Post added at 11:19 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:05 AM ----------
Video: NVIDIA Demos Android 6.0 Marshmallow on the SHIELD TV
NVIDIA has said the update will be available later this month, but no firm date has been announced just yet.
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new info:
Special Delivery: Android 6.0 Marshmallow, New Games and More Coming to SHIELD
Gilbot said:
Believe me, you won't be happy with marshmallow's sdcard adoption implementation. I don't care if this thing gets marshmallow lol. It runs everything perfect as it is right now. How about some goddamn top tier games tho, nvidia?!
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What do you mean?
Sounds like it's going to work very well!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtPGPBN5PJQ
New version will also bring you a lot of problem. It is just a TV, the current system is good enough for me.
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New version will also bring you a lot of problem. It is just a TV, the current system is good enough for me.
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Based on what? That's like saying, "If you go outside, you're just going to die".
Some people just "talk" to hear themselves "talk".
There might be bugs/issues when it comes out, but overall newer versions tend to bring new features. More importantly, security patches are usually in newer versions too.
Sorry but he has a point. Still today I don't understand the need for new OS versions every 6 months. New OS will bring new features but also new bugs to be corrected. It's not like google makes HW specific OS. For example Minix already said they won't upgrade their Android base because they have a very stable, bug free SW and do not want to risk having to solve lots of bugs. Then again no one forces you to update, simply don't click the button
Nevertheless he has some point and they should focus on contacting app developers to support the Android TV a bit more because the amount of supported apps is just ridiculous in my opinion, specially considering the tremendous potential of Shield's HW.
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Sorry but he has a point. Still today I don't understand the need for new OS versions every 6 months. New OS will bring new features but also new bugs to be corrected. It's not like google makes HW specific OS. For example Minix already said they won't upgrade their Android base because they have a very stable, bug free SW and do not want to risk having to solve lots of bugs. Then again no one forces you to update, simply don't click the button
Nevertheless he has some point and they should focus on contacting app developers to support the Android TV a bit more because the amount of supported apps is just ridiculous in my opinion, specially considering the tremendous potential of Shield's HW.
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I shockingly found myself gently forced to update by Nvidia. The update popup appears annoyingly frequently and that was the main reason why I updated from V1.3 to V1.4. I do like updates I just didn't want to go through the hassle of re-rooting.
is there any news for new update? thanks
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is there any news for new update? thanks
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Nope. They will release it when it's ready. It makes no sense to rush a ROM deployment if it doesn't bring anything new over the past release and if it's not as stable. If they would do such a thing, the discussion over this board will turn into "Why doesn't nVidia care about their users and release crappy updates!!??!! Let's boycott [email protected]"!"!"
Mine sat in a box for 8 months whilst I tried and failed several times to return it to Jide as it had a dead pixel. Couldn't find a courier to take something with a lithium ion battery overseas. I eventually gave up and got it back out intending to use it as something to watch netflix/kodi but it's ****ing awful. Netflix won't work at all. Keeps thinking I'm using a proxy when I'm not, or throwing up random error codes. Kodi just hangs.
So what do you use yours for? Is there another OS I could try? Another version of remix that works better than the current cobbled together OS? Don't wanna sell because the faults (the back bracket has warped too) mean I won't get anywhere near what I paid for it back.
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Mine sat in a box for 8 months whilst I tried and failed several times to return it to Jide as it had a dead pixel. Couldn't find a courier to take something with a lithium ion battery overseas. I eventually gave up and got it back out intending to use it as something to watch netflix/kodi but it's ****ing awful. Netflix won't work at all. Keeps thinking I'm using a proxy when I'm not, or throwing up random error codes. Kodi just hangs.
So what do you use yours for? Is there another OS I could try? Another version of remix that works better than the current cobbled together OS? Don't wanna sell because the faults (the back bracket has warped too) mean I won't get anywhere near what I paid for it back.
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I am running 2.0.305. There is a full version of this on the forum that you can flash if JIde's OTA is not running. I must admit that both Netflix and Kodi work on my tablet. I never thought we would get an advanced operating system for this tablet, but thought we might get patch support. Not so. Development support is, obviously, not evident. I have a 5 year old Moto G that has multiple Nougat ROMs available. That's what a healthy community provides. Jide is just dying a slow death, mostly brought on by their own lack of concern for the customer base. You can get started with a kick starter campaign, but when you have to do thait multiple times, it shows how close to folding Jide must be. Further if you you pruchased an UltraTablet via the kick starter or not, would you actually spend more money after seeing the absolute lack of respect or support JIde has? I would not consider another Jide product until I see security updates and a promise of support form Jide. There are just too many reputable companies that would be happy to do business and provid support.