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[Q] how long will it take for custom roms to update to 4.3 when it drops?

DISCLAIMER: this is not another generic speculation thread just to throw around guesses about dates for the 4.3 release. yes, i am asking you to speculate, but i have a legitimate reason for posing this question, so please, do not troll and/or flame. thank you.
so my nexus 4 arrived today. i'm eagerly awaiting getting out of work so i can get home and get to playing with it. i absolutely intend to unlock, root and flash a custom recovery/rom/kernel. however, word is that 4.3 is set to release on june 10th (or thereabouts) which is this monday. i'd hate to take the time to do all of the aforementioned things, only to have to reflash stock shortly thereafter in order to grab the OTA.
do you think 4.3 will actually drop this week, and as such, i should wait before going flash crazy?
or i guess an even better question is the one posed in the thread title. if i flash a custom rom now, how long before the rom will update to 4.3? i'm going with PA and probably the latest franco. can't wait to play around with halo!

as soon as the source is out.... they'll be out with custom roms with the very basic stuff like deodexed, superuser and such
no go flash crazy, enjoy it while you can. even when 4.3 is out, it'll take time to backport all the existing customization and features to 4.3

Do this unlock the bootloader flash custom recovery flash SU zip then make a nandroid backup then flash any ROM kernel or mod you want. If the ota comes out then you can just flash your backup and install ota with no problems.
Roms will be updated usually with in a few days after the source is released just because the ota is released doesn't mean the source is out
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I would'nt bother waiting.. since google editions of other phones have been launched it means the wait will be longer, since they will have to all get the update together so as not to advantage one phone over the other... now i hear sony is have a google editon too, the wait will be even longer still.

meangreenie said:
I would'nt bother waiting.. since google editions of other phones have been launched it means the wait will be longer, since they will have to all get the update together so as not to advantage one phone over the other... now i hear sony is have a google editon too, the wait will be even longer still.
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The ota will be out first for nexus devices then it will be released to GE phones.
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spaceman860 said:
Do this unlock the bootloader flash custom recovery flash SU zip then make a nandroid backup then flash any ROM kernel or mod you want. If the ota comes out then you can just flash your backup and install ota with no problems.
Roms will be updated usually with in a few days after the source is released just because the ota is released doesn't mean the source is out
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duh... this is the perfect solution. why didn't i think of that? thanks, dude!

Safestrap roms

Now that the OTA has locked everyone up or those of us that got a device that didn't have the chance to unlock the bootloader, do most/some/all/etc roms that we have for the Razr M work with Safestrap?
Sorry if this is posted elsewhere but I didn't see it and only saw mention of roms having to be compatible with it

collins521 said:
Now that the OTA has locked everyone up or those of us that got a device that didn't have the chance to unlock the bootloader, do most/some/all/etc roms that we have for the Razr M work with Safestrap?
Sorry if this is posted elsewhere but I didn't see it and only saw mention of roms having to be compatible with it
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I don't know the exact roms, but I know there are a few. Since the bootloader was unlocked though, the development for safestrap roms has slowed or stopped. Check in the Android Development section and scroll through for the safestrap roms. I believe they were 4.1.2 roms only, but don't quote me on that.
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Jersey846 said:
I don't know the exact roms, but I know there are a few. Since the bootloader was unlocked though, the development for safestrap roms has slowed or stopped. Check in the Android Development section and scroll through for the safestrap roms. I believe they were 4.1.2 roms only, but don't quote me on that.
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ROMs developed for SS stopped at 4.1.1, meaning that there not any 4.1.2 custom ROMs available. bootloader was unlocked prior to 4.1.2 rolling out.
there might be a way to convert them to SS though - I know that a dev was able to convert a SS ROM to TWRP flashable recovery, so perhaps he might be able to do the reverse.

jco23 said:
ROMs developed for SS stopped at 4.1.1, meaning that there not any 4.1.2 custom ROMs available. bootloader was unlocked prior to 4.1.2 rolling out.
there might be a way to convert them to SS though - I know that a dev was able to convert a SS ROM to TWRP flashable recovery, so perhaps he might be able to do the reverse.
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I believe DeadCalm was updated to 4.1.2. Also, Eclipse v1.2 is still SS compatible but it leans more heavily on AOSP styling.
SS compatible ROMs:
-Early builds of CM10 (way early, like at the beginning of thread early)
-DeadCalm was SS enabled, not sure if it was modified for an unlocked bootloader only
-Energy is SS enabled and never altered for unlocked bootloader
-Flying Jelly was SS enabled and I don't think it was modified to work only on an unlock bootloader
-Eclipse v1.2 was SS enabled, I don't think it was modified for unlocked bootloader

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I believe DeadCalm was updated to 4.1.2. Also, Eclipse v1.2 is still SS compatible but it leans more heavily on AOSP styling.
SS compatible ROMs:
-Early builds of CM10 (way early, like at the beginning of thread early)
-DeadCalm was SS enabled, not sure if it was modified for an unlocked bootloader only
-Energy is SS enabled and never altered for unlocked bootloader
-Flying Jelly was SS enabled and I don't think it was modified to work only on an unlock bootloader
-Eclipse v1.2 was SS enabled, I don't think it was modified for unlocked bootloader
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yeah, but those are all 4.1.1 ROMs - and I'm fairly certain deadcalm is unlocked bootloader only, as it was created for just 4.1.2.
but I really don't think it matters much anymore - Motorola has been quite diligent on providing updates, so I would not be surprised to see an official 4.2.2 release by the end of this year, with a 4.3 release by next summer.

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yeah, but those are all 4.1.1 ROMs - and I'm fairly certain deadcalm is unlocked bootloader only, as it was created for just 4.1.2.
but I really don't think it matters much anymore - Motorola has been quite diligent on providing updates, so I would not be surprised to see an official 4.2.2 release by the end of this year, with a 4.3 release by next summer.
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Yeah, you're right on all those being 4.1.1, but I was just throwing out some options. Personally, I think very few of the devs, if any, will develop for SS. Sure, the people that are getting new phones or maintenance replacements are hosed. However, people that owned the phone and decided to install the update and not unlock their bootloader? Well, it's their own fault. They've been warned for 4 months that the patch could be locked. Look what happened, it was locked. The one thing the devs could do, that would be fairly easy, is just update the older SS ROMs to the newer OTA. That would help out a lot of people.

RikRong said:
Yeah, you're right on all those being 4.1.1, but I was just throwing out some options. Personally, I think very few of the devs, if any, will develop for SS. Sure, the people that are getting new phones or maintenance replacements are hosed. However, people that owned the phone and decided to install the update and not unlock their bootloader? Well, it's their own fault. They've been warned for 4 months that the patch could be locked. Look what happened, it was locked. The one thing the devs could do, that would be fairly easy, is just update the older SS ROMs to the newer OTA. That would help out a lot of people.
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100% agreed on the warnings - but I also understand why folks may have been skittish beforehand (took me 3 months of reading before I rooted my first device). given that this phone is now offered for free, I can see many new folks to this community, but they'll be SOL unless we are blessed with the help from a dev to unlock their bootloader.
that being said, the devs are not required to create a hack or make their ROMs SS-compatible, but I would not be surprised if locked bootloader phones soon begin to outnumber the locked one. i'm just thankful that they are here.

To be fair, the droid razr m that I'm working on has its bootloader locked because my girlfriend is skittish about me touching her phone. Women

I could barely even get any to work when they were still developing SS Roms, so goodluck... Never accept OTA's...

AK47sForAll said:
I could barely even get any to work when they were still developing SS Roms, so goodluck... Never accept OTA's...
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Unfortunately the one I have had the OTA already downloaded so I didn't even get a chance to unlock the bootloader...been trying to find a white one at a reasonable price and haven't' had much luck

collins521 said:
Unfortunately the one I have had the OTA already downloaded so I didn't even get a chance to unlock the bootloader...been trying to find a white one at a reasonable price and haven't' had much luck
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What do you consider reasonable? And have you tried eBay?

AK47sForAll said:
What do you consider reasonable? And have you tried eBay?
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Ya I've been watching eBay and other sites for a good deal on a white one. Under $200 and in great shape is where I'm looking to get one. I'm in no real rush so I can wait for a deal to pop up

http://www.droidrzr.com/index.php/t...calm-v14-7172013-412-base/page-30#entry333531
That being said.
An activated DC is a path to this & you take your data with you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2246081
Edit Yet this is a backup made by the full twrp. Yet again they are supposed to be compatible....

Lollipop source is out

Who shall be the first to build ?
The race is on
Buahahhahahhaha
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brolic925t said:
Who shall be the first to build ?
The race is on
Buahahhahahhaha
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Source ?
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shahkam said:
Source ?
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/1...roid-5-0-lollipop-source-code-aosp-right-now/

I'm OK now, I'm happy to have waited this long for an AOSP ROM.
I can wait longer if it becomes a L ROM for our G3!!

Great news !

it's hard to say...i'm working on a lollypop port since weeks now and the main problem is a kernel panic related to the modem resetting.. i think that once i will figure out how to solve it i will be able to release a first beta

It is usually very hard to get new android versions ported to a device where there is no official rom of the same version for it - you basically are going in blind trying to get all the hardware to work.
If we are lucky we might see one or two builds before LG release theirs (which is now less than 2 months away!) but I would expect them to be buggy with some hardware not working - so far we don't even have a fully working Kitkat AOSP build for our device.

manups4e said:
it's hard to say...i'm working on a lollypop port since weeks now and the main problem is a kernel panic related to the modem resetting.. i think that once i will figure out how to solve it i will be able to release a first beta
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good luck bro!!! lets see if you can beat LG to the draw...
please keep us posted!!!
Thanks in advance

Deeemm79 said:
good luck bro!!! lets see if you can beat LG to the draw...
please keep us posted!!!
Thanks in advance
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if someone would like to help here is last_kmsg at the very end you'll find the kernel panic about modem

bah, who needs the LG Lollipop rom? probably gonna have their own skin again which, in my opinion, is inferior to stock lollipop. plus, if you have not read, Android 5.0 Lollipop gives developers the option to completely lockdown devices and prevent root, specifically in our devices where bootloader is not unlockable. Don't think I'll take the risk though. It's a huge one!
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/android-l-lockdown/

Oooh. I so happy. ????

jayzhoukj said:
bah, who needs the LG Lollipop rom? probably gonna have their own skin again which, in my opinion, is inferior to stock lollipop. plus, if you have not read, Android 5.0 Lollipop gives developers the option to completely lockdown devices and prevent root, specifically in our devices where bootloader is not unlockable. Don't think I'll take the risk though. It's a huge one!
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/android-l-lockdown/
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this is true although (and i may well be wrong) i would presume this would only apply if you take the update from OEM and not custom rom .... if we take a flashable custom rom i would assume that this lockdown is completely irrelevant and fairly risk free providing the devs can get all the hardware side of things up and running

ah yes, you are right. personally though i would prefer to go straight to stock rom after rooting. not really sure what the difference is (if any big changes) between a rooted and non-rooted stock rom

jayzhoukj said:
ah yes, you are right. personally though i would prefer to go straight to stock rom after rooting. not really sure what the difference is (if any big changes) between a rooted and non-rooted stock rom
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that all depends what you want to be able to do on your device ..... without root you cannot use xposed (although until made to run on ART it wont work with lollipop onwards ) ... you need root to delete / modify any / all system apps and other tweaks under the hood ..... there are many things you could need root for

jayzhoukj said:
not really sure what the difference is (if any big changes) between a rooted and non-rooted stock rom
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Root alone does nothing. It's what you do with the elevated privileges that matters. With root access, you pretty much have complete control over the phone's software, so you can do next to nothing, or completely overhaul everything to the point where it is indistinguishable from a stock, non-modified phone.
By the way... If LG isn't blowing smoke up our backsides, we'll have a working Optimus UI w/ 5.0.. guessing 6 weeks, give or take. And it remains to be seen how quickly they release their sources. Until those sources are released, any 5.0 custom ROMs are going to be Lollipop on top of LG's KK stuff (kernel, radio/modem, graphics drivers, etc). Not sure how stable that will all be. My only experience with a phone running a ROM like that was running early KK builds on my old Galaxy S3, which was Android 4.4 built on top of Samsung's Jelly Bean stuff. And that was buggy as hell, tons of problems. Basic stuff, like every time it switched from Wi-Fi to mobile data, I got a kernel panic and it would reboot.
So I would be wary of any LP ROMs for the G3 that didn't include the native LP stuff from LG.

LeoRex said:
Root alone does nothing. It's what you do with the elevated privileges that matters. With root access, you pretty much have complete control over the phone's software, so you can do next to nothing, or completely overhaul everything to the point where it is indistinguishable from a stock, non-modified phone.
By the way... If LG isn't blowing smoke up our backsides, we'll have a working Optimus UI w/ 5.0.. guessing 6 weeks, give or take. And it remains to be seen how quickly they release their sources. Until those sources are released, any 5.0 custom ROMs are going to be Lollipop on top of LG's KK stuff (kernel, radio/modem, graphics drivers, etc). Not sure how stable that will all be. My only experience with a phone running a ROM like that was running early KK builds on my old Galaxy S3, which was Android 4.4 built on top of Samsung's Jelly Bean stuff. And that was buggy as hell, tons of problems. Basic stuff, like every time it switched from Wi-Fi to mobile data, I got a kernel panic and it would reboot.
So I would be wary of any LP ROMs for the G3 that didn't include the native LP stuff from LG.
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infact since 1 month i'm trying to port lollypop and i'm blocked by kernel panic at boot due to modem resetting

My concern is for our d850 development .... It will pick up im guessing
2SHAYNEZ

OEM Unlock feature in Lollipop dev options
Lollipop has an OEM Unlock feature in the development options. Chainfire already utilized it to root the N9. See attached.

so excited in looking forward to your effort - friends....

hwong96 said:
Lollipop has an OEM Unlock feature in the development options. Chainfire already utilized it to root the N9. See attached.
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OEM unlock meaning ?

unlock bootloader and root or wait for 6.0 to do it?

so i was planning on doing this today, but then obviously when 6.0 comes out i can't take the OTA because of custom recovery so I'd have to wait for someone to make a flashable rom.
so what's everyone else doing? should I root now and enjoy it, or wait for 6.0 then root? no timetable from moto yet
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Ota is not the only way pretty sure we will have images or someone grab ota and post zip
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I'm waiting but mainly cuz I like this phone stock and I'm in no rush. Also I don't want to set everything back up so I will let marshmallow back it all up for me

You can always flash the stock ROM and take the OTA or wait a short time for a flashable version.
Bangin' on my unlocked/rooted
Moto X Pure

With a phone like this there is always going to be a way to install the latest update. Who cares about OTA.

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Cheers,
Baja

spotmark said:
With a phone like this there is always going to be a way to install the latest update. Who cares about OTA.
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nah i know, like i do with my nexus 7 (haven't touched stock android in a while since my note 4 and samsung tabs, so i really don't remember)
so you guys think there's gonna be some good dev to atleast get a flashable 6.0 out? might as well just do it. just wanted to see the general opinion

I would do it now. Unlocking the boot loader will wipe your phone. Like someone said above a flashable zip should be available soon after the OTA touches down.
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jayochs said:
nah i know, like i do with my nexus 7 (haven't touched stock android in a while since my note 4 and samsung tabs, so i really don't remember)
so you guys think there's gonna be some good dev to atleast get a flashable 6.0 out? might as well just do it. just wanted to see the general opinion
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To be honest it doesn't take much skill to do. I'm sure we have plenty of people already here who know how

sweet. alrgiht just did it! woo rooty goodness.

I wonder when we will get marshmallow ota or rom based. Seems like zero development on this device which kind of sucks. I just want some omni or beanstalk. Not sure if the dev area is waiting on source or how a that works but I figured by now we'd have something to flash.
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cyris69 said:
I wonder when we will get marshmallow ota or rom based. Seems like zero development on this device which kind of sucks. I just want some omni or beanstalk. Not sure if the dev area is waiting on source or how a that works but I figured by now we'd have something to flash.
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I thought they are simply waiting for the kernel source

cyris69 said:
I wonder when we will get marshmallow ota or rom based. Seems like zero development on this device which kind of sucks. I just want some omni or beanstalk. Not sure if the dev area is waiting on source or how a that works but I figured by now we'd have something to flash.
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many people got their devices not to long ago this isn't nexus remember I am just waiting patiently

cyris69 said:
I wonder when we will get marshmallow ota or rom based. Seems like zero development on this device which kind of sucks. I just want some omni or beanstalk. Not sure if the dev area is waiting on source or how a that works but I figured by now we'd have something to flash.
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When device trees are completed with no major bugs, expect many ROMs and kernels ? (should be very soon)

Hashbang173 said:
When device trees are completed with no major bugs, expect many ROMs and kernels (should be very soon)
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Good to hear, not bashing devs cuz I know I sure can't make a rom and appreciate the hard work that goes into it. I figured it was a source reason. Is that something moto needs to release or someone has to snag from the devices. I haven't flashed anything since the note 2 was release so just a little over eager I guess that and hearing people say devs might not be super keen here with the nexus coming soon.

LOL @ "zero development". This phone hasn't even been available for 3 weeks yet. If you ordered one on day one, you were lucky to get one 2 weeks ago.
Bangin' on my unlocked/rooted
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Using MM ROMs on Nougat firmware?

I've flashed Nougat bootloader,radio, vendor, etc and currently I'm on Benzo. I was wondering is it possible to flash a MM ROM on nougat firmware. Will flashing a MM vendor IMG on nougat work?
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jxcorex28 said:
I've flashed Nougat bootloader,radio, vendor, etc and currently I'm on Benzo. I was wondering is it possible to flash a MM ROM on nougat firmware. Will flashing a MM vendor IMG on nougat work?
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Yes to question #1. Radio and bootloader can be used interchangeably.
No for question #2, your phone will not boot if you run MM vendor on N rom. The opposite also applies, N vendor will not work on MM rom.
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jxcorex28 said:
I've flashed Nougat bootloader,radio, vendor, etc and currently I'm on Benzo. I was wondering is it possible to flash a MM ROM on nougat firmware. Will flashing a MM vendor IMG on nougat work?
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I'm content with MM right now (addicted to xposed) but if you want to run both you could head over to the MultiROM thread. A couple of users said they're using N as the primary rom and MM on secondary. Then I believe you can swap secondary to primary. Just a thought.
***of course this involves some research. I've been using MultiROM since last spring with no issues at all but haven't tried N yet.

KLit75 said:
I'm content with MM right now (addicted to xposed) but if you want to run both you could head over to the MultiROM thread. A couple of users said they're using N as the primary rom and MM on secondary. Then I believe you can swap secondary to primary. Just a thought.
***of course this involves some research. I've been using MultiROM since last spring with no issues at all but haven't tried N yet.
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So if I update to N I can't use the pure Nexus ROM?

unclejuju said:
So if I update to N I can't use the pure Nexus ROM?
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In short, if you want N & you want to run Pure Nexus you should sit tight. PN will be updated to N soon (hopefully this weekend).
This will be the simplest way. You can always go back, its just not always convenient (using pc or mac with fastboot)

KLit75 said:
In short, if you want N & you want to run Pure Nexus you should sit tight. PN will be updated to N soon (hopefully this weekend).
This will be the simplest way. You can always go back, its just not always convenient (using pc or mac with fastboot)
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I upgraded this morning to N lol. I just got this phone last night so I didn't know. So what would you recommended i do?

unclejuju said:
I upgraded this morning to N lol. I just got this phone last night so I didn't know. So what would you recommended i do?
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Not sure...where do you wanna be? AFAIK theres nothing wrong with N. Only reason Im not there is cuz xposed hasnt got there yet. If youre content, stay there. Like I said, keep checking the PN thread to see if the new build arrives.
If your asking me how to go back to MM, Id use fastboot and flash the factory images (go to complete stock) start over, flash twrp, root then flash your preferred M rom.
Its a bit of a hassle but in the long run youll have less hassles (bugs and whatnot)

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Not sure...where do you wanna be? AFAIK theres nothing wrong with N. Only reason Im not there is cuz xposed hasnt got there yet. If youre content, stay there. Like I said, keep checking the PN thread to see if the new build arrives.
If your asking me how to go back to MM, Id use fastboot and flash the factory images (go to complete stock) start over, flash twrp, root then flash your preferred M rom.
Its a bit of a hassle but in the long run youll have less hassles (bugs and whatnot)
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I'll prob just try to find a decent N ROM. Right now As long as it has hotspot working I don't really care what ROM I'm on. Hopefully the N Roms have it
I appreciate your help bro!

unclejuju said:
I'll prob just try to find a decent N ROM. Right now As long as it has hotspot working I don't really care what ROM I'm on. Hopefully the N Roms have it
I appreciate your help bro!
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no problem. And like I said. Keep checking the PN thread. If youre staying on N it's probably gonna be the gold standard for 6p roms
Update--but if you want a suggestion I think WETA is good. It's got all the sound mods built in so you don't have to flash Viper, Dolby atmos etc.