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It's been some time now since I've heard rumors of HTC upgrading their One phone with the newer Snapdragon 800 processor chip. Anyone else have anymore information on a possible release date for it?
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One X > One X+ was 8 months.
That would land the One+ in October, right there with the iPhone 5S.
Makes sense to me!
On a side note, LG G2 is being announced tomorrow. It's pretty cool looking, but we'll have to see if it implements the 800's native always listening capabilities from the start. I highly doubt it. OEMs might let Moto X be the test dummy and see if people like the always on feature.
Is the 800 the same architecture as the 600??
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dmarco said:
It's been some time now since I've heard rumors of HTC upgrading their One phone with the newer Snapdragon 800 processor chip. Anyone else have anymore information on a possible release date for it?
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any link to those rumours? so far our leakers are denying such device
but i really wish it happens
The One Max will probably get the 800. I don't think they will release a One+.
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HTC One Max Specs:
6" 1080p SLCD 3 Display
Qualcom Snapdragon 800 @ 2,3 GHz
2 Gb ram
32/64 gb Memory
3200mah
If everything goes right we will See the phablet fight in September against the SGN 3.
Rumors appeard where the Max should have a 3300 mAh battery and a microsd slot
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hamdir said:
any link to those rumours? so far our leakers are denying such device
but i really wish it happens
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Its a german site, but also well informed.
http://www.mobilegeeks.de/htc-one-max-erste-fotos-geleakt/
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The One Max is pretty much confirmed
I was asking about One+ rumours (same size) and i agree i dont think its happening
From the way the phone is overheating while you play games, I dont think they will be putting a faster CPU into the phone.
Maybe a faster GPU or an new gen of more efficient ARM processors
The current quad cores are already plenty fast for normal phone use.
We don't need s800 imo.. s600 is fast enough for me. But i wouldn't mind Adreno 330 gpu.
The One Max is not an upgrade over the One. I hope everyone realizes this. It will be very difficult to handle and heavier.
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musezer said:
From the way the phone is overheating while you play games, I dont think they will be putting a faster CPU into the phone.
Maybe a faster GPU or an new gen of more efficient ARM processors
The current quad cores are already plenty fast for normal phone use.
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I wish android OEMs start getting some sense into their heads, we don't need more CPU power at this point, just GPU
Sadly this is a call for the SOC vendors to make
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I wish android OEMs start getting some sense into their heads, we don't need more CPU power at this point, just GPU
Sadly this is a call for the SOC vendors to make
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New GPU and LPDDR3 would be a nice bump in performance.
Screw both CPU and GPU, better battery tech FFS.
We didn't need 1080p screens and mobile SoCs that are coming close to mid 2000's laptop power.
But it's hell asking for a phone to have two days standby time with heavy usage (6+ hours screen on) without wifi.
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From the way the phone is overheating while you play games, I dont think they will be putting a faster CPU into the phone.
Maybe a faster GPU or an new gen of more efficient ARM processors
The current quad cores are already plenty fast for normal phone use.
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I think you just don't understand what overheating means...
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I think the spec madness has to stop.
Always listening should become a standard from now on. I read from Blinkfeed that the 800 has native support for it.
We also need better battery life. The G2, a next gen phone, has a 3000 mAh battery. We'll see if that'll be enough.
There is research being conducted to incorporate Silicon anodes in Li-ion batteries. I'm looking forward to that.
Another thing is heat dissipation. These things are more powerful than a laptop from the early 2000's. How can mfgs expect these to run at their full potential with no heat dissipation? Currently, the only solution provided is to throttle the CPU severely. The One has a metal backplate, which thankfully acts as a huge heatsink. However, it's not enough. Just 10 mins of 3D gameplay or browsing and the frame rate drops to rock bottom. Kinda defeats the purpose of having such a powerful processor.
Are any mfgs even trying to address the heat issues?
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I think the spec madness has to stop.
Always listening should become a standard from now on. I read from Blinkfeed that the 800 has native support for it.
We also need better battery life. The G2, a next gen phone, has a 3000 mAh battery. We'll see if that'll be enough.
There is research being conducted to incorporate Silicon anodes in Li-ion batteries. I'm looking forward to that.
Another thing is heat dissipation. These things are more powerful than a laptop from the early 2000's. How can mfgs expect these to run at their full potential with no heat dissipation? Currently, the only solution provided is to throttle the CPU severely. The One has a metal backplate, which thankfully acts as a huge heatsink. However, it's not enough. Just 10 mins of 3D gameplay or browsing and the frame rate drops to rock bottom. Kinda defeats the purpose of having such a powerful processor.
Are any mfgs even trying to address the heat issues?
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Why you want yet an new ONE yet??? Its the better android phone now overall by far.. The differences with the snapdragon 600 and the 800 there are minimals.. I prefeer all day the One near the lg G2 big plastic crap.
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I read in an article that the lg g2 laged on random things they said because lg's ui is heavy
giorat23 said:
Why you want yet an new ONE yet??? Its the better android phone now overall by far.. The differences with the snapdragon 600 and the 800 there are minimals.. I prefeer all day the One near the lg G2 big plastic crap.
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Subtleties, my good man.
I never said I wanted a new One right now. That would be nice, but it isn't necessary.
And I didn't say I wanted an S800, I simply said that the next generation of devices should implement the native always listening feature. And the 800 makes several significant improvements.
http://m.techradar.com/news/computi...mm-processor-will-always-be-listening-1132647
And believe it or not your precious phone (and mine) will be outdated in a matter of months. A new genreation of devices seems to release every 6 months or so!
I was commenting on a disturbing trend the Android smartphone market is exhibiting: an obsession with theoretical values and inflated numbers. While these do help to some degree, there needs to be some kind of innovation, or else we'll all end up in a very uncomfortable situation.
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I think the spec madness has to stop.
Always listening should become a standard from now on. I read from Blinkfeed that the 800 has native support for it.
We also need better battery life. The G2, a next gen phone, has a 3000 mAh battery. We'll see if that'll be enough.
There is research being conducted to incorporate Silicon anodes in Li-ion batteries. I'm looking forward to that.
Another thing is heat dissipation. These things are more powerful than a laptop from the early 2000's. How can mfgs expect these to run at their full potential with no heat dissipation? Currently, the only solution provided is to throttle the CPU severely. The One has a metal backplate, which thankfully acts as a huge heatsink. However, it's not enough. Just 10 mins of 3D gameplay or browsing and the frame rate drops to rock bottom. Kinda defeats the purpose of having such a powerful processor.
Are any mfgs even trying to address the heat issues?
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Are you unlocked? With ElementalX kernel, you have custom thermal throttling that does not affect gaming performance. My phone never throttles and the battery stays below 50 degrees. HTC's throttling was way too agressive. You can play a 3D game for an hour with no slowdown. Plus, the kernel improves battery life.
I cant stand the stock kernel any more after trying others.
I remember my boyfriend buying the LG Optimus 2x when it was released. It was the first Android phone with dual core and - if you took a look on the hardware - very, very promising compared to other androids. Yeah... Theory. It was laggy. It lagged so much, even my HTC Desire was faster and smoother.
I'm really curious what the new LG G2 will act like, but my expectations are extremely low
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Well, as I currently have the nexus 4 I was expecting to be getting the nexus 6. However as the leaks suggest the fact that it would have 2K display and have 13mp camera that's all perfect. But it would have the snapdragon 805 which is around 2.7ghz quad core (which is just a speed bump from current flagships that have 801). The only thing it will have is a much powerful GPU which is adreno 420. But in January they will release the Snapdragon 810 which compared to 805 its a beast has a new processor architecture 20nm and would be OctoCore, 64 bit and the ram would be as twice as fast and so many more features. Because this would make the nexus 6 be outdated quickly. So thinking in that way would be a good option to get the nexus 6 or not ? What do you guys think?
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Well, as I currently have the nexus 4 I was expecting to be getting the nexus 6. However as the leaks suggest the fact that it would have 2K display and have 13mp camera that's all perfect. But it would have the snapdragon 805 which is around 2.7ghz quad core (which is just a speed bump from current flagships that have 801). The only thing it will have is a much powerful GPU which is adreno 420. But in January they will release the Snapdragon 810 which compared to 805 its a beast has a new processor architecture 20nm and would be OctoCore, 64 bit and the ram would be as twice as fast and so many more features. Because this would make the nexus 6 be outdated quickly. So thinking in that way would be a good option to get the nexus 6 or not ? What do you guys think?
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First thing, there is always something better round the corner, so when this new chip comes out, there will be an even better one planned for 6 months time. Second, apart from the kick of having the best hardware, would you necessarily be using it?
I say that since the N4 doesn't have 4G (apart from the modem hacks which aren't valid for Europe, where I am). I don't miss it, since I don't have a need for ultra-fast data transmission on my phone.
If you really need/expect to use the possibilities that the hardware enables, if I were you, I would wait until a terminal is equipped with it. If it's not critical, I'd go for either the N6 or an equivalent hi-end Xiaomi or Oppo.
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Well, as I currently have the nexus 4 I was expecting to be getting the nexus 6. However as the leaks suggest the fact that it would have 2K display and have 13mp camera that's all perfect. But it would have the snapdragon 805 which is around 2.7ghz quad core (which is just a speed bump from current flagships that have 801). The only thing it will have is a much powerful GPU which is adreno 420. But in January they will release the Snapdragon 810 which compared to 805 its a beast has a new processor architecture 20nm and would be OctoCore, 64 bit and the ram would be as twice as fast and so many more features. Because this would make the nexus 6 be outdated quickly. So thinking in that way would be a good option to get the nexus 6 or not ? What do you guys think?
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even if the hardware becomes outdated its still going to be strong enough for pretty much anything for couple of years but again If they put **** to mediocre battery life as usual then no thanks
Well it's the "perfect" useless 2K screen that's gonna eat up the battery. I hate QHD on 5-inchers.
You have good valid points but normally Qualcomm have updated their chips at a good rate and considering the fact on estimate around 4 months after the Nexus 6 release the chip would be a big difference in performance in every way and looking at their site. It will also have pretty cool featues
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In my opinion it's impossible to talk about buying/not buying the Nexus 6 as long as we have no official specs and before it is released
We need more details about the Nexus 6. Storage availabilities (microSD? I hope, but doubt it), battery size (removable?), etc.
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n6 or google silver,hardware software to much confision but will be best again i guess
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We need more details about the Nexus 6. Storage availabilities (microSD? I hope, but doubt it), battery size (removable?), etc.
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Very unlikely it will be removable battery
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Very unlikely it will be removable battery
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Yeah, I know...
It's been a while since Motorola made a phone with a removable battery, and it's been a while since we've seen a Nexus with one.
My next phone, as soon as I can afford one, will most likely be a Sony Z3 Compact (although I might pick up a second Nexus 4 first). I love using big screens, but I hate carrying one. Months ago I was hoping to pick up a Z1 Compact and a OnePlus One. But life happened, and I can't afford those anymore, and even if I could, the Z3 is out soon, and the OPO...well...'nuff said. I still like the idea of having a smaller phone for daily life, then swapping the SIM to a phablet for gaming at home or reading eBooks. The Nexus 6 or S or whatever they end up calling it might just fill that spot if the price isn't absurd, but that'll probably have to wait until tax season.
The rumoured SoCs don't hold up to the competition (and by competition I obviously mean Samsung and Apple)
How are they going to make SD810 look good at their conference? (or will they not talk about hardware performance at all...) Either way, if it's an SD810, it's likely to get destroyed in reviewers benchmarks.
The SD810 is much slower than the latest Exynos, and far, far, far slower than Apple's new A9 chip (it is probably even worse than Apple's year old A8).
Many of us were hoping for either SD820 or Kirin 950... But there are so many people confirming SD810 ....
I'm not super happy with my Nexus 6, but SD810 doesn't seem like much of an upgrade
Personally, I would rather they just keep the price down rather than engage in the ever ridiculous spec war. An 810 would be more than enough for a high end phone. I'm on an HTC M7 with an SD600 and it is still quite fast.
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Personally, I would rather they just keep the price down rather than engage in the ever ridiculous spec war. An 810 would be more than enough for a high end phone. I'm on an HTC M7 with an SD600 and it is still quite fast.
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Absolutely. I, too am still rocking this M7. It's no quitter by any stretch of the imagination! I just want stock Android and guaranteed timely updates, which this phone will definitely provide. Additionally, it looks like the M7 as well! As long as there isn't a ridiculous camera bump and it's just an area of the phone with different materials used (for radios and other gadgets that can't pierce through aluminum), I'd be sound as a pound. Besides, with the incredible performance rumors marching the internet (it's apparently FOUR TIMES faster than last year's Nexus 6), I think it's safe to say that this phone will be in my pocket for many years to come.
I remember an AnandTech article talking about the price of SoCs. they said that a high end SoC costs less than $30… and the low end are $10....
I don't think Google chose the SD810 because it was cheap. They chose it because there are very few options.
Apple doesn't sell their SoCs. Samsung doesn't sell much. Certainly not to real competition.
Nvidia can't do a SoC at low power. That leaves Intel, QCOM and some of the Chinese brands.
The Chinese brands may not be chosen because the Nexus needs to get approved quickly by lots of carriers. US carriers are quicker to approve QCOM
I would happily pay an extra $10-20 for a top or the line SoC
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Personally, I would rather they just keep the price down rather than engage in the ever ridiculous spec war. An 810 would be more than enough for a high end phone. I'm on an HTC M7 with an SD600 and it is still quite fast.
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The 808 is also very quick, so what's important though is optimization (as well as I/O, RAM type, and LTE/WiFi speed). I imagine even the SD600/S4P will continue to be useful for a few more years depending on how much of a burden future Android releases become.
Specs are good but not very useful if the software isn't on par. There's a reason why even phones like the G4, OP2, or S6 can show lag.
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The 808 is also very quick, so what's important though is optimization (as well as I/O, RAM type, and LTE/WiFi speed). I imagine even the SD600/S4P will continue to be useful for a few more years depending on how much of a burden future Android releases become.
Specs are good but not very useful if the software isn't on par. There's a reason why even phones like the G4, OP2, or S6 can show lag.
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Totally agree. I just want both. We had both with the N4, N5, N6. All three of then technically had the very best SoC available at the time (at least if you don't count Apple).
The SD810 was not the 'best' even when they launched 6 months ago, which is rare for Qualcomm. I'm surprised they estimate the SD820 won't be until next year, because that means the entire 2015 has been a QCOM disaster.
If the rumours are true, these Nexuses will be a little bit of a letdown for me in the SoC department.
Just look at 2015. Samsung dropped them, and their Exynos 7420 was far superior to the SD810. And now Amazon just announced their new Fire TV has dropped QCOM, and is using a top end MediaTek with the new A72 cores!
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Totally agree. I just want both. We had both with the N4, N5, N6. All three of then technically had the very best SoC available at the time (at least if you don't count Apple).
The SD810 was not the 'best' even when they launched 6 months ago, which is rare for Qualcomm. I'm surprised they estimate the SD820 won't be until next year, because that means the entire 2015 has been a QCOM disaster.
If the rumours are true, these Nexuses will be a little bit of a letdown for me in the SoC department.
Just look at 2015. Samsung dropped them, and their Exynos 7420 was far superior to the SD810. And now Amazon just announced their new Fire TV has dropped QCOM, and is using a top end MediaTek with the new A72 cores!
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Unlike previous years Qualcomm didn't have their personal architecture (Kyro or whatever) prepared for 2015, so the SD810 felt like more of a placeholder. The thermal issues are likely a side effect of them using standard A57/A53 cores, they usually rely on custom architectures like Apple.
The SD820 according to QC has a bunch of improvements however, I'm unsure of whether it can beat the next Exynos or A9x.
I haven't checked out the new Kindles, but if they'll use A72's that's pretty good considering their HDX used the SD800.
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No they won't talk about performance. They know the 810 is a bad chip. They've most likely already throttled it or will do so soon afterwards and it'll still overheat, just like all the others.
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No they won't talk about performance. They know the 810 is a bad chip. They've most likely already throttled it or will do so soon afterwards and it'll still overheat, just like all the others.
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New benchmarks showed up yesterday on backbench and they were typical 810 processor... Something in the lines of 1300 single, 4400 multi cores... Weak.
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New benchmarks showed up yesterday on backbench and they were typical 810 processor... Something in the lines of 1300 single, 4400 multi cores... Weak.
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Well those scores are still higher than any other Snapdragon at the moment. It's no E7420, but its the next best thing behind it. We also can't forget if this is the revised SD810 its been throttled to deal with its heating issues so the scores could possibly be higher. I don't care what the scores on paper say. All I want to know is are the heating issues fixed because some chips who have new 810 are still overheating.
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New benchmarks showed up yesterday on backbench and they were typical 810 processor... Something in the lines of 1300 single, 4400 multi cores... Weak.
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a single benchmark doesn't matter, you have to look at a sustained performance. I could just take a phone out of a fridge to run a benchmark and I can guarantee you it'll be amazing, but if I run the same benchmark several times continuously, the score will be significantly lowered. the key here is whether can google/huawei do something to keep the continuous performance. let's say if I run the benchmarks 5 times in a row, how much deviation will there be between the first and last one? that's the important thing here. typical SD810's performance isn't bad, it's the throttling that everyone hates
Hey guys,
Was playing something a few days ago and i noticed it worked like utter crap and today i ran Geekbench 3 a few times and i got results for single core between 472 and 670 and i saw most people are getting 900+. What can affect the phone in such a horrible way? Any ideeas? This is not acceptable.
EDIT: I just noticed the following when comparing the benchmarks (mine is the lower one)
https://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/4255827?baseline=4255794
The processor IDs differ:
ARM implementer 65 architecture 8 variant 0 part 3331 revision 3 (crap one)
ARM implementer 65 architecture 8 variant 1 part 3335 revision 2 (good one)
Anything to comment on this? Should i return the device?
UPDATE: The Processor IDs differ based on the which cores are running so variant 1 p3335 r2 are all hexa cores running while the other variant has only the quad cores running at max speed or throttled down to avoid overheating.
Bottom line is the fact that as soon as the processor starts to overheat then the CPU throttling kicks and performance of the handset goes to hell. It heats after 5 minutes if you use CPU intensive apps so beware. The single core performance halves after a maximum of 10 minutes while the multi core performance will drop as well but by a 40% amount, that's why you will see bad results in Antutu Benchmark and Geekbench after your CPU is already hot or you run a lot of tests.
I have the same revision as yours as roughly the same score as the other processor Id.
are you rooted? stock rom? Any application issues? Assuming you have a titanium backup or similar of your applications, have you tried redownloading the factory image from google?I have the 335 processor id and score1301
I have the 2nd variant
I just installed GeekBench 3 and tested the phone. The score I got is: 1221 and 3506
Seriously weird, now it's showing up as variant 1. First 1-2 tests score above 1.2k the subsequent ones score below 800...
Can you guys run the test 3-4 times to see if the results change?
PS: Stock rom, no root, fresh format.
Question: what's the difference between MDB08L MDB08M MDB08I and MDA89E. I assume they're the builds in order of release with MDB08M being the latest?
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Seriously weird, now it's showing up as variant 1. First 1-2 tests score above 1.2k the subsequent ones score below 800...
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The phone throttles pretty hard when it gets hot, check out the anandtech review the big cores throttle after less than 2 minutes constant load and shut down completely after 12 minutes.
I have a case on mine and the first 3 runs were around 1200, more runs after that were in the 800s including one that was 664.
It's kind of lame, makes me wish I'd waited for 16nm because i think these 64-bit stock ARM cores in 28nm might actually be worse than the custom 32-bit ones from previous years (RAM usage is lower too with 32-bit as well for some reason). The only advantage I can think of is that 32-bit support will be dropped at some point but that's a long way off.
@haloimplant thanks for the info... So basically my phone ain't crap, it's the QC SD 808 which is complete garbage -_-
C:\Users\adrag>adb shell cat /proc/cpuinfo
Processor : AArch64 Processor rev 3 (aarch64)
processor : 0
processor : 1
processor : 2
processor : 3
processor : 4
processor : 5
Features : fp asimd evtstrm aes pmull sha1 sha2 crc32
CPU implementer : 0x41
CPU architecture: 8
CPU variant : 0x0
CPU part : 0xd03
CPU revision : 3
Hardware : Qualcomm Technologies, Inc MSM8992
Well it can be seen from the above info that my revision is older....
Yeah this generation of SoCs just isn't very good...first cut of 64-bit cores on an almost 4-year old process node... Oh well I'm still happy with the fingerprint scanner and camera and performance is good enough for my usage (reddit and email mostly). Games I tried slowed down pretty horrifically though, they are probably the only use case that really drives a heavy constant load.
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Yeah this generation of SoCs just isn't very good...first cut of 64-bit cores on an almost 4-year old process node... Oh well I'm still happy with the fingerprint scanner and camera and performance is good enough for my usage (reddit and email mostly). Games I tried slowed down pretty horrifically though, they are probably the only use case that really drives a heavy constant load.
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I would say the camera and constant updates are the only thing that keeps this phone together... Coming from an OnePlus ONE to this and i am mostly appalled by the horrific performance of the 5X and from all t he reviews that I read nothing mentioned a horrible throttling. That anandtech article is good though, thanks for the tip!
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I just installed GeekBench 3 and tested the phone. The score I got is: 1221 and 3506
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My details say variant 1 part 3335 revision 2 and I'm getting almost exactly the same scores as you: 1227 and 3506.
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My details say variant 1 part 3335 revision 2 and I'm getting almost exactly the same scores as you: 1227 and 3506.
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Same variant and nearly same scores 1263 and 3439.
Done some more tests today to make sure i'm not completely drunk:
Played a bit with the phone (settings menu) and ran a GB3 test
Results: single 770 multi 2931
Let the phone cool down for 5 minutes and ran another GB3 test:
Results: single 1230 multi 3447
Processor ID: ARM implementer 65 arhitecture 8 variant 1 part 3335 revision 2
What i don't understand is why if i look into cpuinfo i get the other variant info.
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The phone throttles pretty hard when it gets hot, check out the anandtech review the big cores throttle after less than 2 minutes constant load and shut down completely after 12 minutes.
I have a case on mine and the first 3 runs were around 1200, more runs after that were in the 800s including one that was 664.
It's kind of lame, makes me wish I'd waited for 16nm because i think these 64-bit stock ARM cores in 28nm might actually be worse than the custom 32-bit ones from previous years (RAM usage is lower too with 32-bit as well for some reason). The only advantage I can think of is that 32-bit support will be dropped at some point but that's a long way off.
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This is how they are designed to work, they can not really work any other way, and after a short time of being pushed hard the SoC has no option but to throttle down the CPU. Cooling can be active or passive, active cooling requires a heat-sink and fan, passive cooling works by reducing CPU speed until temperatures reduce to normal levels, you can also have a combination of the two like most laptops and even desktop PCs. When you have a smart phone, active cooling isn't possible, so how else can the SoC be cooled down?
The 16nm will be just the same, because marketing will dictate selling the CPU at higher clock rates, so pushing a bench-marking program will give you higher numbers due to the faster CPU speed, but then will quickly throttle back, so you will still get the difference between fast and slow due to passive cooling, just the slow might not be as slow, but then again it could be worse. The problem is that the smaller the SoC the harder it is to remove the heat as it has a smaller surface area, so I wouldn't expect much improvement overall, just the max and mins should be higher then previous generations but the performance drop will still be evident.
If you want to play the latest demanding games for more than a few minutes, a smart phone isn't the device to do it on, it just isn't designed for it.
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@PhilipL I'm sorry but i just cannot agree with you on this. On my old OnePlus One i could play Dominations without any problems and the throttling was almost non existent (QC Snapdragon 801) but on the 5X it's sluggish as soon as i enter it so yeah... I don't think this kind of garbage is acceptable on a newer generation of processors, i've had a friend do the same test on his HTC One M7 and the results after 5-6 runs were of about 650 on single core and about 2100 on multicore which was just a tiny bit slower than my Nexus 5X after 3-4 runs.
How is ANY of this even close to being normal on newer phones? How and WHY is the Snapdragon 801 faster and better than my Snapdragon 808. Can someone explain who had this garbage idea of throttling the processor that hard to bring the speeds down to something worse the last year's processor? If this is how they solve processor overheating on the Snapdragon 820 as well then they might as well throw it in the garbage can.
Furthermore why doesn't the Exynos 7420 on the S6 behave in the same why? Why does it throttle only so slightly that it almost unnoticeable ?
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What are you guys using your phone for? Running benchmarks the whole day? I can't see any performance issue in real life.
No, but i had the 5X for a few days, sent it back because of a dead pixel and now i'm thinking about getting a new one or if i should wait. The touchscreen of my N4 stopped working properly a week ago, which makes it even harder to wait.
But to get on the topic: I had the 5X and the Moto X Pure/Style to see which one i like more, ultimately it was the 5X because of the better camera in normal/low light and the size.
I played around with Geekbench and Riptide 2 (after reading the Anandtech review) and can confirm the throttling on the 5X. The thing is, this wasn't the case on the Moto X, i could play a round of Riptide and run Geekbench a few times or run 4-5 Geekbench passes and the score didn't go to hell like on the 5X.
This also translates into real life usage, if you take more than a few HDR+ images, for example, which makes it a bit of a problem. ;(
I don't know if the throttling on the 5X is just really conservative (altough the phone got quite warm) or if the cooling on the Moto X just works better because of the aluminum body.
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No, but i had the 5X for a few days, sent it back because of a dead pixel and now i'm thinking about getting a new one or if i should wait. The touchscreen of my N4 stopped working properly a week ago, which makes it even harder to wait.
But to get on the topic: I had the 5X and the Moto X Pure/Style to see which one i like more, ultimately it was the 5X because of the better camera in normal/low light and the size.
I played around with Geekbench and Riptide 2 (after reading the Anandtech review) and can confirm the throttling on the 5X. The thing is, this wasn't the case on the Moto X, i could play a round of Riptide and run Geekbench a few times or run 4-5 Geekbench passes and the score didn't go to hell like on the 5X.
This also translates into real life usage, if you take more than a few HDR+ images, for example, which makes it a bit of a problem. ;(
I don't know if the throttling on the 5X is just really conservative (altough the phone got quite warm) or if the cooling on the Moto X just works better because of the aluminum body.
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I have both phones right now, and i disagree. I can see no difference in every day preformance.
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Well, it's already snowing in denmark!
But about general usage and every day performance, i think you're absolutely right. Some "problems" due to the thermal throttling should only apply to "corner cases".
Rogoshin said:
I have both phones right now, and i disagree. I can see no difference in every day preformance.
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cidefix said:
What are you guys using your phone for? Running benchmarks the whole day? I can't see any performance issue in real life.
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Pretty much nothing and still it's laggy. Starting apps is slow, installation of new apps is slow and slows the device down to a crawl as well. I see many blaming encryption as LG G4 has the same NAND and it's 30% faster.
So yesterday, I picked up a used Alcatel Onetouch Idol 3 Octa-core phone. Has a snapdragon 615(4 1.5Ghz and 4 1.0Ghz processors) and we thought Amazon went to extremes, ha!! Turns out with the M 6.0.1 update, Alcatel not only locked everything down, they even stripped fastboot commands!!! Well anyhow as far as things weigh in, I swear the R1 still feels faster than the Idol 3. Now if I want to continue to play with the Idol 3 fortunately there is a way to downgrade and then flash over a different M rom, that may help. But for now the R1 will remain my daily.
I bought the BLU R1 without knowing what to expect and so far I'm impressed. It's my first ever BLU and Mediatek phone. I hate Snapdragon and avoid every phone that uses it. R1 HD is really fast and responsive. There is a video on youtube showing gaming footage on Moto G4 and it sucks really bad. Idol 3 and G4 are using the same slow, overheating Snapdragon 615 (617 same thing) and claim it's a high performance octa core processor.
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I bought the BLU R1 without knowing what to expect and so far I'm impressed. It's my first ever BLU and Mediatek phone. I hate Snapdragon and avoid every phone that uses it. R1 HD is really fast and responsive. There is a video on youtube showing gaming footage on Moto G4 and it sucks really bad. Idol 3 and G4 are using the same slow, overheating Snapdragon 615 (617 same thing) and claim it's a high performance octa core processor.
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I agree, the performance of this phone does not feel as responsive as I thought for an 8 core(4x1.5,4x1.0), the 4 core 1.3 6735 honestly screamed. The Idol runs a 64bit Android 6.0.1 build where R1 is 32bit. Still I agree the R1 felt snappy. The area the Idol 3 shines in though is the Audio dept. Sound is awesome on this thing!! I won't be gone too long, I enjoyed the freedom of experimenting with the R1, practically indestructible until 6.6.... But never repeat NEVER install an OTA until you inspect what its doing!!!
I don't even get why phones apparently "need" an 8 core or even 10 core processor. You can't even do most of the things on a smartphone to max those cores out. I personally believe a quad-core is all that is needed and they need to work on the cpus so that they are better at doing more instructions per cycle so that single-thread and multi-thread will perform even better.
I love the Blu R1 HD and that screen is actually something to gawk at. You would never expect such a screen in a sub-100 phone as this screen can even best some of the high end phones of 2013! My only complaint about this phone is the battery, it has been 19 hours and I have used it for 2 hrs for SOT and it is dead, originally the battery was way better. I don't know what has happened because there is no report of it using massive amount of battery. The awake line is not there when it is draining rapidly and there are no wakelocks keeping it awake as shown in Wakelock Detector.
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I don't even get why phones apparently "need" an 8 core or even 10 core processor. You can't even do most of the things on a smartphone to max those cores out. I personally believe a quad-core is all that is needed and they need to work on the cpus so that they are better at doing more instructions per cycle so that single-thread and multi-thread will perform even better.
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So far as I understand (please correct me if I'm wrong), multiple cores allow for better power management.
So if you have 8 cores total, 4 powerful, 4 energy efficient, but are idling, then you can turn most of them off to save power. When more power is needed, the more powerful ones kick in and do their stuff.
Aside from that, I assume it is partly due to the difficulty in manufacturing CPUs. For example, Intel chips tend to have less cores (typically 2, hyperthreaded to 4) compared to AMD (often 4 or 8), because their CPUs have strong single core performance. AMD makes up for this by using more cores. I expect this is the same in the mobile computing world.
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So far as I understand (please correct me if I'm wrong), multiple cores allow for better power management.
So if you have 8 cores total, 4 powerful, 4 energy efficient, but are idling, then you can turn most of them off to save power. When more power is needed, the more powerful ones kick in and do their stuff.
Aside from that, I assume it is partly due to the difficulty in manufacturing CPUs. For example, Intel chips tend to have less cores (typically 2, hyperthreaded to 4) compared to AMD (often 4 or 8), because their CPUs have strong single core performance. AMD makes up for this by using more cores. I expect this is the same in the mobile computing world.
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That certainly makes sense, but in operation, it seems something was poorly implemented because, although this device specs out higher than the R1, in real world use it just seems to be on par with the speed of the R1, plus the R1 screen though smaller definitely appears more vivid and colors pop much more so than the Idol 3. As previously stated by me the Idol 3 has a much nicer audio experience, both in volume and in sound quality, but performance wise, I still think the R1 is superior.
Damnit I bought an Idol 3 and killed the R1 HD, lol