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New Joying Head Unit? Tweeted Dec 5 2015

I saw this tweet
https://twitter.com/carjoying/status/673061917242564608
I can't seem to find any additional info. I just bought the currently available one so I'm really interested to see if this new one is updated android and PX4 Rockchip.
Anyone know more?
I like the higher volume button. Out of the way.

I also just had an interaction with Joying where they indicated they will have an universal 10" single din model like their VW model ready in 2 weeks.

So from my reading of Joying's stereos, these are all basically the same, but with a differently designed front on them? I see the same Android version, processor and specs on every one, really. I'm asking because I'm curious about getting one and am a little overwhelmed with options that all seem about the same.

There are different cpu specs and resolutions. Some of the units are car specific due to some integrations like the VW units with can-bus showing heat and a/c info etc. If they have a unit that is specific for your can then it probably has a nice faceplate on it. Otherwise there are the universal units.

I consider to get one for my car, so I have to wait for new version

how are teh joying units, they got them on amazon which is abig plus if theres any issues

Cool! Thanks for sharing. Have an older model and it has been pretty solid so far. Might pick up a new one for the spare car Hopefully the Bluetooth quality is fixed with the updated unit.

pounce said:
I saw this tweet
I can't seem to find any additional info. I just bought the currently available one so I'm really interested to see if this new one is updated android and PX4 Rockchip.
Anyone know more?
I like the higher volume button. Out of the way.
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The 2015 model is now on their website and amazon too for $330ish.... XDA won't let me post the link right now cuz I never post.....
There's also a forum about upgrading the unit to 5.1 with software provided by Joying... I may have to order one now...

The new ones are not out yet. A few days ago they let me know the 10.1" universal unit is coming in the next week or two.
Many units on their site say 2015.

Is 1gb fast enough for these units?

I have not had any issues with mine
Plenty responsive. Boots up quick too.

what about bluetooth and wifi quality? Are hardware mods still required with these unit?

I don't know about the newest model being released, but the Bluetooth quality with the model I have does have a hint of distortion. I use a hotspot on my phone without any signal problems, so can't speak to the signal strength with trying to connect to a wifi access point.

How are they selling a 10" model? What car would that ever fit in without huge customization of the entire dash panel?

Bought it
http://www.carjoying.com/special-sa...pport-airplay-mirror-link-reserve-camera.html

why are they releasing new models with still 4.4.4 and 1gb RAM?

devoidx said:
why are they releasing new models with still 4.4.4 and 1gb RAM?
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I was thinking the same thing... Also, rk3188 is getting old. Most of the Android TV boxes have moved onto newer processors and Android.
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Proven and more or less stable., abundant and inexpensive. Parts on hand. Also, when the new new board show up its not hard to simply swap them.
Sure, we want new and better every week. I'm happy to have this form factor now rather than waiting for 5.1.. Simple upgrade later.

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Proven and more or less stable., abundant and inexpensive. Parts on hand. Also, when the new new board show up its not hard to simply swap them.
Sure, we want new and better every week. I'm happy to have this form factor now rather than waiting for 5.1.. Simple upgrade later.
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This is not about wanting new every week...KitKat is 2 and half years old...Lollipop has been out for a year an a half....Lollipop should be the bare minimum when they ship devices these days, ....and 1gb RAM on any device in the year 2016 is just plain insulting.

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This is not about wanting new every week...KitKat is 2 and half years old...Lollipop has been out for a year an a half....Lollipop should be the bare minimum when they ship devices these days, ....and 1gb RAM on any device in the year 2016 is just plain insulting.
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Respectfully, I think you are being a little naive. Many of the manufacturers are working on the next full iteration of chips and 5.1 or 6 OS versions, but do you see many yet? It only takes a card swap on the head unit to change the SOC... and really the SOC and Android version has nothing to do with most of the hardware of these headunits. Take a look at the wide range of products a company like Joying offers. Pretty slick range of OEM looking faceplates and integrations with CAN bus etc. Truthfully, many of these companies are limited by what Rockchip and the subs provide for them.
You should definitely feel personally insulted. What were they thinking?! How could they develop a product without consulting devoidx?! :silly:

Does there exist a Android 5.1+ and 2GB RAM head unit that isn't terrible?

It doesn't seem like it's possible to find something with Android 5.1 (or later) and 2GB RAM. The only one I can find is the InDashNet unit except that one seems to still be in beta and buggy.
Doesn't anyone make something with 2GB RAM and a modern release of the OS? Getting real sick of my AppRadio issues, but I don't want to deal with the headache of 1GB RAM or an old OS.

petard said:
It doesn't seem like it's possible to find something with Android 5.1 (or later) and 2GB RAM. The only one I can find is the InDashNet unit except that one seems to still be in beta and buggy.
Doesn't anyone make something with 2GB RAM and a modern release of the OS? Getting real sick of my AppRadio issues, but I don't want to deal with the headache of 1GB RAM or an old OS.
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These are legitimate concerns, I've been reading the forums and still haven't come to any solid conclusions yet either.

Same for me. Checking this forum almost daily since several months now to see if something with Android 5.1+ and 2GB RAM comes out... I will probably not wait much longer and just order the InDashNet unit...
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I am sure I probably am over simplifying things here, but isn't there a way to add a bigger RAM chip to these things like a PC?

petard said:
It doesn't seem like it's possible to find something with Android 5.1 (or later) and 2GB RAM. The only one I can find is the InDashNet unit except that one seems to still be in beta and buggy.
Doesn't anyone make something with 2GB RAM and a modern release of the OS? Getting real sick of my AppRadio issues, but I don't want to deal with the headache of 1GB RAM or an old OS.
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Here you go, 2GB ram. http://www.banggood.com/Ownice-C200...WiFi-Android-Quad-Core-for-BMW-p-1061269.html
http://www.banggood.com/Ownice-Car-...d-Core-WiFi-Canbus-Android-4_4-p-1049038.html
They have vehicle specific kits too.
A lot of them are starting to make/test the 2GB version so I assume more to come later this year.

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Here you go, 2GB ram. http://www.banggood.com/Ownice-C200...WiFi-Android-Quad-Core-for-BMW-p-1061269.html
http://www.banggood.com/Ownice-Car-...d-Core-WiFi-Canbus-Android-4_4-p-1049038.html
They have vehicle specific kits too.
A lot of them are starting to make/test the 2GB version so I assume more to come later this year.
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First listing doesn't specify which version of Android it is running. The second one says it's running 4.4. That's too old. I want 5.1 or later and 2GB RAM. That combination doesn't seem available.

Mr Metalhead said:
I am sure I probably am over simplifying things here, but isn't there a way to add a bigger RAM chip to these things like a PC?
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No you can't do that. It's all soldered in, not using DIMMs.

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Here you go, 2GB ram. http://www.banggood.com/Ownice-C200...WiFi-Android-Quad-Core-for-BMW-p-1061269.html
http://www.banggood.com/Ownice-Car-...d-Core-WiFi-Canbus-Android-4_4-p-1049038.html
They have vehicle specific kits too.
A lot of them are starting to make/test the 2GB version so I assume more to come later this year.
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Ownice C200 offered 2GB of RAM, but their newest unit is the C300, and it went back to 1GB of RAM. not sure why, maybe they had problems with the 2GB

Why not grab one thats 4.4 and usually cheaper than 5.1 and just upgrade it ? I've seen them on aliexpress not many but some..

Cid6.7 said:
Why not grab one thats 4.4 and usually cheaper than 5.1 and just upgrade it ? I've seen them on aliexpress not many but some..
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As far as I know, they are not upgradable to 5.1. Only if you do a hardware upgrade/downgrade to an MTCD mainboard with 1GB RAM you can upgrade to Android 5.1.
So it seems there is an incompatibility between 2GB and Android 5.1 or there is some software development necessary to allow this... I think I saw a statement from Joying that they are working on it...

There is no comparability issue with 2gigs of ram and Android 5.x
Its called cheap. They want to reduce the cost of the hardware.

blacklistedcard said:
There is no comparability issue with 2gigs of ram and Android 5.x
Its called cheap. They want to reduce the cost of the hardware.
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Could you please point me to a specific unit. I cannot find any unit which has 2GB RAM and Android 5.x or upgradable to 5.x.
I am genuinely interested. Thanks.

blacklistedcard said:
There is no comparability issue with 2gigs of ram and Android 5.x
Its called cheap. They want to reduce the cost of the hardware.
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my guess is it's a MCU limitation. I am pretty certain RAM would not be a software (android) limitation. But the MCU is effectively a black box on these things that impacts just about every aspect of overall functionality. And the fact that the MCU hacked together by chinese/indian engineers with very low R&D budgets, we have the issues we have today. Someone needs to open source the MCU and allow it to be fully customizable somehow. I imagine the community here could come up with some fantasic mods, such as digital audio out, support for better internal hardware, better bluetooth integration, etc.
I am surprised that for this long, nobody has managed to fully decode the MCU.

Hisma said:
my guess is it's a MCU limitation. I am pretty certain RAM would not be a software (android) limitation. But the MCU is effectively a black box on these things that impacts just about every aspect of overall functionality. And the fact that the MCU hacked together by chinese/indian engineers with very low R&D budgets, we have the issues we have today. Someone needs to open source the MCU and allow it to be fully customizable somehow. I imagine the community here could come up with some fantasic mods, such as digital audio out, support for better internal hardware, better bluetooth integration, etc.
I am surprised that for this long, nobody has managed to fully decode the MCU.
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They usually standard MCU chips. Someone would have to completely recode a working source. Which would be really impossible. I agree it would be nice to see one full MCU source code.

nomailing said:
Could you please point me to a specific unit. I cannot find any unit which has 2GB RAM and Android 5.x or upgradable to 5.x.
I am genuinely interested. Thanks.
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http://www.aliexpress.com/store/pro...Universal-For-Nissan/1333672_32707119098.html

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http://www.aliexpress.com/store/pro...Universal-For-Nissan/1333672_32707119098.html
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They write RAM: 1G. Several times in the description.
The problem with sellers on Aliexpress is that they even confuse RAM and ROM and falsely write 2GB RAM in title although everywhere in the article it says RAM 1GB.
Any other suggestions?
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I wonder how come no one in the states has attempted their own Android head unit production. Why are we leaving it all to the Chinese? Why couldn't we produce our own hardware and mcu?

dynamite647 said:
Here you go, 2GB ram. http://www.banggood.com/Ownice-C200...WiFi-Android-Quad-Core-for-BMW-p-1061269.html
http://www.banggood.com/Ownice-Car-...d-Core-WiFi-Canbus-Android-4_4-p-1049038.html
They have vehicle specific kits too.
A lot of them are starting to make/test the 2GB version so I assume more to come later this year.
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Ownice c200 is definitely only 4.4 at the moment.
We where promised an update but we still haven't had it.
Since then they released the c300 but it has only 1gb and still only 4.4
The reason they say it's only 1gb is it has a different cpu (not an rk chip like every other unit)
They still sell the c200 so i don't think they are dropping it.
Long story short. No 2gb lollipop at the moment. I've settled for 4.4 myself but i got my unit 18 months ago.

Dream Reality Syndrome said:
I wonder how come no one in the states has attempted their own Android head unit production. Why are we leaving it all to the Chinese? Why couldn't we produce our own hardware and mcu?
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Too small of a market. Despite what you might gather from these forums, this is a very low quantity, niche market, and the active participants want things at rock bottom prices. US production costs, especially for such a small market, just aren't economically viable.
Honestly, If you aren't satisfied with the current crop of units (and I'm not), then your best bet is going to be some type of DIY project. I've got a Raspberry PI 3 and a SDR sitting on my workbench waiting to be worked on. You might also consider some variety of tablet install (I'm kind of torn between going this route and the rpi3).
But regardless of DIY, Chinese Headunit, whatever, this will ultimately boil down to software. Without a well thought out, extensible front end/UI, it will continue to be frustrating. Such software would be awesome if opensource, but I have my doubts. The in-dash-net units are supposed to be going that route, but I'm not holding my breath.

Zaphod-Beeblebrox said:
But regardless of DIY, Chinese Headunit, whatever, this will ultimately boil down to software. Without a well thought out, extensible front end/UI, it will continue to be frustrating. Such software would be awesome if opensource, but I have my doubts. The in-dash-net units are supposed to be going that route, but I'm not holding my breath.
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The funny thing about the software, is that all the different specialized parts of the software actually exist already in open source. The biggest hurdle is actually handling a phone call. The "back end" of this process, bluetooth HFP-client profile, is available in AOSP. There is a "demo" application for actually managing that backend available in codeaurora.
Aside from that, you also have AM/FM radio to think about, but that is fairly simple.
Honestly, the biggest part of this problem is the hardware.

Ownice C500 released

http://www.ownice.com/Pro_Auto DVD ...VD GPS Navigation for 2din Universal_405.html

somebody buy this and review it

There seem to be 2 models in C500, universal one is 4 core and no DVD and cheaper. The DVD unit is 8 Core CPU and is almost double the price, I would wait for the 8 core to come up in Universal unit and then try

Sadly, they seem to have removed the volume knob (which was still present on the C300). I was looking forward to this, but now it seems like I have to look elsewhere - I won't buy a device on which I can't change the volume without looking at it.

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Associated with the manufacturer says that you can buy with С500 on 11/11/2016. There are big discounts.

I am a bit disappointed, the hardware is great but why don't they increase the memory to 3 or 4gb mem, a octa core uses more memory because there are more cores. And why no 32gb internal storage, every time the Android releases a new os, it grows, so there is less space for other things to store it on the 16gb storage. And does the GPS also support GLONASS and GALILEO?

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Sadly, they seem to have removed the volume knob (which was still present on the C300).
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I stand corrected - the DVD version has a volume knob. Can't find any details on pricing yet though.
http://www.ownice.com/Pro_2 din Car GPS for Toyota universal_409.html

Where does one find the prices for these?

DudeInMyrtleBeach said:
Where does one find the prices for these?
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So far i know only on Aliexpress... https://nl.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=AS_20161017155519&SearchText=ownice+c500

Hello.
I've see this, i'm really interested but the app radio is still with the frequence number and not radio name... (confirm by ownice) so i don't know what to do.....
It will be possible to root and install MTCRadio on this products ????
Thanks.

These are the second Android 6.0 units I've seen that have Kitkat UI elements like the navbar at the top and the launcher tabs.
Makes me wonder if these are really 6.0 or if they are a hybrid of all sorts of older pieces stuck together.

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These are the second Android 6.0 units I've seen that have Kitkat UI elements like the navbar at the top and the launcher tabs.
Makes me wonder if these are really 6.0 or if they are a hybrid of all sorts of older pieces stuck together.
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In all likelihood it's some terrifying mix of Android 4.4, 5.1, and 6.0. Am currently considering buying an Ownice C500 Android 6.0 unit for a future car purchase (BMW E90 or E92). When it happens I'll create a video review and forum post. Am incredibly curious to see if the "4G LTE SIM Support" actually works with Verizon.

If they supported a Verizon sim, I would be tempted to buy one

CadillacMike said:
If they supported a Verizon sim, I would be tempted to buy one
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https://winlink.en.alibaba.com/prod....html?spm=a2700.7803228.1998738836.186.whajPG

Hello.
Anyone know if in France the autoradio show the station name and the radio song title info with the rds ?
Thanks.

I bought one yesterday. Will tell when it arrives.

halloj said:
I bought one yesterday. Will tell when it arrives.
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Thanks... I am very very curious

Flemischguy said:
Thanks... I am very very curious
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me too.

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https://winlink.en.alibaba.com/prod....html?spm=a2700.7803228.1998738836.186.whajPG
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this doesn't say anything about Verizon? just says 4G LTE, I didn't see any bands listed, unless I missed it

Which Android head unit?

Hi,
I am currently looking for a new Android 6 double din head unit to fit in my car. After many hours of research and price comparison, I finally have picked 2 (actually 3) devices to choose from.
On the one hand there is the Ownice C300 (either as quad core (200€) or as the octa core (300€) version). I think their specs are known because there are already a lot of threads concerning these units. Its unique feature is the built-in 4G modem.
The other alternative is the Zeepin DY7098 which you can get for approx. 170€. Apparently, it has an Intel SofiaGR3 SoC, supports fast boot and has a built-in 3G modem. Other specs are quite similar to the C300: same display resolution, 2GB RAM.
As far as I've read in other threads, the Intel SoC should be faster than most of other quad core SoCs (and maybe also than the octa core), because the other chips use slow Cortex A7 cores. The unit should be fast enough for navigation, radio and OBD bluetooth. I definitely don't want to use it for games.
Maybe someone knows the Zeepin device, which is currently my favorite, because of its looks and the low price.
Any opinion or experience is highly appreciated

Hi, I would be also interested in the Zeepin device, did you order it? Does anyone know anything about that device?

If I were you I would buy an unit that has a good XDA community because all the Chinese units have software issues and with XDA can remedy some if not all of them.
The support from manufacturer is rarely good (but there are exceptions, Joying was the exception for me), in my experience was poor or simply non-existent.

Yes, I ordered the Zeepin unit. I hope it will be delivered next week so that I can install it on the weekend. The main reason, I bought it is that it is only half the price of comparable Joying devices (they have no modem included, so this adds to the total costs). And the Zeepin device is also distributed under the "Pumpkin" brand, at least here in Germany and their devices have pretty good reviews on amazon.
I will give you an update as soon as possible.

I like my dasaita/hotaudio v600.. they release firmware every month for it.. android 7.1 beta has also dropped
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I like my dasaita/hotaudio v600.. they release firmware every month for it.. android 7.1 beta has also dropped
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Does Dasaita/Hot-Audio sell standalone head units? From the http://www.hot-audio.com website it looks like only make head units with customized integrated dash kits.

xxxstar said:
Does Dasaita/Hot-Audio sell standalone head units? From the http://www.hot-audio.com website it looks like only make head units with customized integrated dash kits.
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Mine is model HA2153-V600
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stinger4321 said:
Mine is model HA2153-V600
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Stinger any chance you could give a review on the unit........ love/hate, ....pros/cons :good:
Thank You
Ray

stinger4321 said:
Mine is model HA2153-V600
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Would also like to hear a review of the unit if you get the chance.

m using DY7098. its good purchase. only issue m facing during up gradation of android version. I even cant login to the boot option also.
looking for any suggestion in this regards.

So far I can say that the unit is pretty good. The boot time is only 2 seconds and the unit is very responsive in general. The build quality as well as the sound quality are very good. Everything works fine (Bluetooth, GPS, 3G).
The only thing is that it came with Android 5.1 on it, although the product description says ot is Android 6. I need to check how to update the device.
However, I can highly recommend it, especially considering the low price.

yonaz77 said:
So far I can say that the unit is pretty good. The boot time is only 2 seconds and the unit is very responsive in general. The build quality as well as the sound quality are very good. Everything works fine (Bluetooth, GPS, 3G).
The only thing is that it came with Android 5.1 on it, although the product description says ot is Android 6. I need to check how to update the device.
However, I can highly recommend it, especially considering the low price.
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Hi yonaz77, I also want to buy this Zeepin DY7098. It looks realy nice and the price is perfect.
I hope you don't mind to help me with some questions.
Did you find a way to update the firmware to Android 6.0?
Did you try this built in 3G modem? Is it working fine? Do you know what kind of frequencies is it using?

Hi!
No i did not find a way to update the device. But as far as the software is working fine, I don't really care that much.
3G is working fine for me, but I dont know the feequencies. Only issue is that I sometimes get an interference with my car speakers.

I'm also running Zeepin DY7098 with Android 6 on board, however my unit can't read any USB devices. Has someone run into the same problem as well?

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I'm also running Zeepin DY7098 with Android 6 on board, however my unit can't read any USB devices. Has someone run into the same problem as well?
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I'm also running Zeepin DY7098 with Android 6.0.1. I have the exact same problem. It can't read USB devices. but phone charges through USB ports.
Anyone know how to update the MCU version on the device.

@kozunio12 @dsandun Did you receive the unit with Android 6.0.1 installed on the device or did you update it? Because mine came with Android 5.1.1 and I am looking for a possibility to update it...

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@kozunio12 @dsandun Did you receive the unit with Android 6.0.1 installed on the device or did you update it? Because mine came with Android 5.1.1 and I am looking for a possibility to update it...
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It came with the Android 6.0.1 installed.

Today I managed to do the update. I found the ROM here on XDA in this thread: Click
Just update the Android and leave the MCU as it is. The update took about 20 minutes, but everything went fine.

yonaz77 said:
So far I can say that the unit is pretty good. The boot time is only 2 seconds and the unit is very responsive in general. The build quality as well as the sound quality are very good. Everything works fine (Bluetooth, GPS, 3G).
The only thing is that it came with Android 5.1 on it, although the product description says ot is Android 6. I need to check how to update the device.
However, I can highly recommend it, especially considering the low price.
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I bought one and it brought the Android 6, it works very well.

yonaz77 said:
Today I managed to do the update. I found the ROM here on XDA in this thread: Click
Just update the Android and leave the MCU as it is. The update took about 20 minutes, but everything went fine.
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No problem after update to Marshmallow? Do you need to root device before update? The update file is 24 April 2017 - 3G only?
You noted some improvement?
I'm using Zeepin DY7098 Adroid 5.1.1 works fine but sometimes the 3g not works and I need to reboot.

Which HU is best and most reliable / fast with 2gb RAM / Android 6+ / Google Voice?

As the title says.
I believe my Intel Joying is dieing.
I already have a heatsink and fan but it is becoming slower and slower and almost unusable. Music from any source is very choppy and frequent drop outs. I was going to try to upgrade the O.S. but if this doesnt work Im going to have to move on to a replacement. What is the best in the market right now? I don't care about price, I have had about 3 of these things already, I need something that is going to last for more than a year.
Also what about just biulding one out of an Intel Motherboard into a Pico ITX ?

Bumped - because I'd like to know also.
I'm currently looking for a good AA-HU, but I don't know what I'm looking at as far as brand reliability, support, quality, updates, rooting... etc.
Thanks anybody!

Now you can get 4 gb RAM and 32 storage plus android 8.0
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Now you can get 4 gb RAM and 32 storage plus android 8.0
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From who and which would you recommend?
Also do they suffer the overheating problems?
Do they have Google Voice Assistant?

Need4Camaro said:
From who and which would you recommend?
Also do they suffer the overheating problems?
Do they have Google Voice Assistant?
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Those "Android 8" units are just MTCD PX5's, and they're NOT Android 8. They're faked.
Give this a good look over;
https://github.com/HiKey960-Car/HiKey960-Car
And anticipate that much of that will be upstreamed to AOSP

My atoto a6 2gb has been working great. I've only has it for a few weeks but no major compliants.
What are you guys trying to do with the headunit? Mines run as good as any Android tablet.

luciusfox said:
Those "Android 8" units are just MTCD PX5's, and they're NOT Android 8. They're faked.
Give this a good look over;
https://github.com/HiKey960-Car/HiKey960-Car
And anticipate that much of that will be upstreamed to AOSP
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Was literally doing research earlier on dev boards. You working on that also?

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Was literally doing research earlier on dev boards. You working on that also?
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The contents of the link speaks for itself.