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2A charger used with other phones

Hello!
Just curious if there is an issue with using my new Nexus 10 2A charger with other phones, such as my HTC Sensation or Blackberry Torch?
The Sensation uses a 1A charger, but I assume the phones are smart enough to only draw the current necessary, so they won't be damaged by drawing too much?
I'd like to just use the Nexus 10 charger and not have to carry other ones.

yes it is fine

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EniGmA1987 said:
yes it is fine
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I heard though that
*first it creates unnecessary heat because the current drawn by circuitry on lower amperage device has to be dissipated as heat
*second, this is less science/engineering but someone said that the specific pins are created by companies and the pins themselves can vary in terms of impedance, thus change the overall circuitry of the device in the long run
*third Li-Ion can pull more current than the default charger and it tends to do so to charge faster, albeit at the cost of the battery overall life deteriorates because higher charging rates also leads to faster breakdown of cells?
I wish I had sources, but this is what I pulled off the Internet when I was younger... can you please assist and advise? Would greatly appreciate (even if we start new thread from this

nutnub said:
I heard though that
*first it creates unnecessary heat because the current drawn by circuitry on lower amperage device has to be dissipated as heat
*second, this is less science/engineering but someone said that the specific pins are created by companies and the pins themselves can vary in terms of impedance, thus change the overall circuitry of the device in the long run
*third Li-Ion can pull more current than the default charger and it tends to do so to charge faster, albeit at the cost of the battery overall life deteriorates because higher charging rates also leads to faster breakdown of cells?
I wish I had sources, but this is what I pulled off the Internet when I was younger... can you please assist and advise? Would greatly appreciate (even if we start new thread from this
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Wish I knew for sure too. REally I don't care a lot about my HTC Sensation as I plan on getting a Nexus 4 LTE when it eventually comes out. Hopefully those come with 2A chargers!
Sure I could get a Nexus 4 and use LTE right now on Bell, but I'd rather wait for an official one.

nutnub said:
I heard though that
*first it creates unnecessary heat because the current drawn by circuitry on lower amperage device has to be dissipated as heat
*second, this is less science/engineering but someone said that the specific pins are created by companies and the pins themselves can vary in terms of impedance, thus change the overall circuitry of the device in the long run
*third Li-Ion can pull more current than the default charger and it tends to do so to charge faster, albeit at the cost of the battery overall life deteriorates because higher charging rates also leads to faster breakdown of cells?
I wish I had sources, but this is what I pulled off the Internet when I was younger... can you please assist and advise? Would greatly appreciate (even if we start new thread from this
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Everybody seems to misunderstand LiPo charging, as it is different than previous battery technologies
For general LiPo Information, you should look here. Charging information is about halfway down the page
http://www.rchelicopterfun.com/rc-lipo-batteries.html

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Selecting the correct charge current is also critical when charging RC LiPo battery packs. The golden rule here use to be "never charge a LiPo or LiIon pack greater than 1 times its capacity (1C)."
For example a 2000 mAh pack, would be charged at a maximum charge current of 2000 mA or 2.0 amps. Never higher or the life of the pack would be greatly reduced. If you choose a charge rate significantly higher than the 1C value, the battery will heat up and could swell, vent, or catch fire.
Times are a changing...
Most LiPo experts now feel however you can safely charge at a 2C or even 3C rate on quality packs that have a discharge rating of at least 20C or more safely and low internal resistances, with little effect on the overall life expectancy of the pack as long as you have a good charger with a good balancing system. There are more and more LiPo packs showing up stating 2C and 3C charge rates, with even a couple manufactures indicating 5C rates. The day of the 10 minute charge is here (assuming you have a high power charger and power source capable of delivering that many watts and amps).
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Pretty much all phones are right around 2000mAh capacity now days so even going by the "old" golden charging rule a 2A charger would be safe to use. My Galaxy Nexus came with (I think) a 1A charger, but ever since I got my tablet shortly thereafter I have just used the tablets 2A charger for both devices and never once had an issue. It has been 8 months now of using the 2A charger on my phone. Idle life can still reach a little over 3 days on a single charge and I still get one of the best screen on time's of most people I know around the forums. So yes from personal experience a 2A tablet charger is completely fine to use on a phone.

Charging circuitry is built into the device, not the "charger"
Nothing to worry about

EniGmA1987 said:
Ill quote the important part:
Pretty much all phones are right around 2000mAh capacity now days so even going by the "old" golden charging rule a 2A charger would be safe to use. My Galaxy Nexus came with 9I think) a 1A charger, but ever since I got my tablet shortly thereafter I have just used the tablets 2A charger for both devices and never once had an issue. It has been 8 months now of using the 2A charger on my phone. Idle life can still reach a little over 3 days on a single charge and I still get one of the best screen on time's of most people I know around the forums. So yes from personal experience a 2A tablet charger is completely fine to use on a phone.
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Is it safe to assume that all chargers come default at 1C charging for their device? Because if that's the case, I figure most electronics we own can just be replaced with 10w chargers (which would make life much more convenient).
This is slightly related/unrelated, but how do you know whether a charger is "high quality" or will only provide "constant current / constant voltage"? It seems strange to me that these days, you can't find the circuitry of many devices we own publicly available so you can't check if the design is good (let alone how they chose the components in their design?). Do you (and other veterans) have any thoughts on this?
Thanks for teaching me lots!
-newb, happily reading away

I bought one of those 2amp double chargers from a seller on Amazon. It wasn't really cheap either (in cost anyway- I spent a bit more hoping it would be higher quality). After plugging in my MotoRAZR and the wife's lumia the charger popped and some plastic from the housing of the charger flew across the room! Thankfully both phones were fine.
I wondered whether both phones tried to pull more than the charger could handle and the charger had poor quality circuitry.
Since then, I've only ever bought branded official replacement chargers (Motorola, Samsung etc). I'd happily mix and match them to the phones but I'd be wary of buying a no name Chinese jobby from Ebay or Amazon marketplace.
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nutnub said:
Is it safe to assume that all chargers come default at 1C charging for their device? Because if that's the case, I figure most electronics we own can just be replaced with 10w chargers (which would make life much more convenient).
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Most batteries can discharge a lot faster than they can recharge, but with LiPo, the difference is getting smaller.
Batteries used to need trickle charging as if you charge fast they would get hot, which causes the chemicals inside to expand(think like a fizzy drink, pour it fast and it will overflow) causing the battery to burst, exposing nasty chemicals.
New technology means the charger can accurately monitor how fast we fill the battery, without letting it get too hot, and also the way it is filled(as with the fizzy drink, pour down the side of a glass rather than straight to the bottom and you will fill the glass faster, with less chance of it over-spilling)
This is slightly related/unrelated, but how do you know whether a charger is "high quality" or will only provide "constant current / constant voltage"? It seems strange to me that these days, you can't find the circuitry of many devices we own publicly available so you can't check if the design is good (let alone how they chose the components in their design?). Do you (and other veterans) have any thoughts on this?
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Unfortunately, industry is full of products made to a budget, usually by using cheaper components/designs(the charger for the ASUS TF101 was renowned for failing), so there is no foolproof way of determining 'quality' apart from word of mouth, looking at quantities sold, feedback in reviews/forums.
Basically, it boils down to 'consumer testing'
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Here's a bit more related information found buried deep in documents here: http://www.usb.org/developers/devclass_docs
The USB2.0 specifications for current output say the maximum current is limited to 1.8A, while USB3.0 has a maximum current limit of 5A
Hopefully, USB3.0 will quickly become a new standard for portable devices.

more questions!
First of all, let me please thank you for responding and being so thorough with your answers! There is so much information out there, and in my 22 years of existence, I cannot for the life of me sort through the sheer amount of data. I do greatly enjoy reading every little thing that is posted, especially in this thread because I think it's super important to understand the electronics that we interact with.
sonicfishcake said:
I bought one of those 2amp double chargers from a seller on Amazon. It wasn't really cheap either (in cost anyway- I spent a bit more hoping it would be higher quality). After plugging in my MotoRAZR and the wife's lumia the charger popped and some plastic from the housing of the charger flew across the room! Thankfully both phones were fine.
I wondered whether both phones tried to pull more than the charger could handle and the charger had poor quality circuitry.
Since then, I've only ever bought branded official replacement chargers (Motorola, Samsung etc). I'd happily mix and match them to the phones but I'd be wary of buying a no name Chinese jobby from Ebay or Amazon marketplace.
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My concern with this is that if Motorola or Samsung does put out a product less than optimal, would we all know? Another way of asking this is how do we know that Apple/Motorola/Samsung/Lenovo does produce superior products and it's not merely a matter of advertisement or brand image? Do you think there is a way to know, as a consumer, that even third party products are becoming more competitive, given that smaller companies have much harder time advertising and building a name/brand for themselves? (if you can't tell, I am rooting for the little guys because I may one day work for the little guys)
skally said:
Most batteries can discharge a lot faster than they can recharge, but with LiPo, the difference is getting smaller.
Batteries used to need trickle charging as if you charge fast they would get hot, which causes the chemicals inside to expand(think like a fizzy drink, pour it fast and it will overflow) causing the battery to burst, exposing nasty chemicals.
New technology means the charger can accurately monitor how fast we fill the battery, without letting it get too hot, and also the way it is filled(as with the fizzy drink, pour down the side of a glass rather than straight to the bottom and you will fill the glass faster, with less chance of it over-spilling)
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Thank you for clarifying for us. Would you happen to know if there are specifics to recharge specs, short of finding me published papers on the technology? What you said is definitely what I've been reading from the Internet and I do trust you, just would help me have greater peace of mind with my nice and shiny devices,,,
skally said:
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Unfortunately, industry is full of products made to a budget, usually by using cheaper components/designs(the charger for the ASUS TF101 was renowned for failing), so there is no foolproof way of determining 'quality' apart from word of mouth, looking at quantities sold, feedback in reviews/forums.
Basically, it boils down to 'consumer testing'
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Here's a bit more related information found buried deep in documents here: http://www.usb.org/developers/devclass_docs
The USB2.0 specifications for current output say the maximum current is limited to 1.8A, while USB3.0 has a maximum current limit of 5A
Hopefully, USB3.0 will quickly become a new standard for portable devices.
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A quick question, just because USB3.0 should allow up to 25W, that doesn't mean that it's the standard for devices, does it? As in Nexus 10 probably can only draw 10W, even if my computer (which although stated is USB3.0) may not have the circuitry behind it to allow for such a draw? I'm a little iffy on the whole implementation of USB standards. Because if USB2.0 has draw of up to 9W, I haven't seen this from my laptop or any devices claiming to have USB2.0 ports,,,
but then again, I may be paranoid. Just trying to line up my experience with theory!
Thank you all for so much support and enthusiasm. Any chance we'll see this on a top thread somewhere?

nutnub said:
A quick question, just because USB3.0 should allow up to 25W, that doesn't mean that it's the standard for devices, does it? As in Nexus 10 probably can only draw 10W, even if my computer (which although stated is USB3.0) may not have the circuitry behind it to allow for such a draw? I'm a little iffy on the whole implementation of USB standards. Because if USB2.0 has draw of up to 9W, I haven't seen this from my laptop or any devices claiming to have USB2.0 ports,,,
but then again, I may be paranoid. Just trying to line up my experience with theory!
Thank you all for so much support and enthusiasm. Any chance we'll see this on a top thread somewhere?
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If the Nexus kernel says the limit is 2A then that's it. It cant use more power.
Have you seen the internal USB 3.0 cable?
It's at least twice as thick as a USB 2.0 cable, I got a new chassi for my computer last week, with a couple 2.0 and a 3.0 USB front port.
And if your motherboard's built for USB 3.0, I'm pretty sure it can take the current. Otherwise there would be no meaning of adding 3.0 support.
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If something is listed as a USB3 port, it must be up to USB3 certifications. Otherwise the manufacturer of the device is liable for a huge lawsuit if issues arise. If something says USB3 that doesnt mean it IS drawing 25w though, just that the port is capable of having 25w pulled through it over the USB connector. Same with USB2 and its 9w limit on the spec. Also, plugging a tablet such as this into a computer's USB3 port does not mean it will charge faster or get faster data transfers, since the cable being used and the device are still of the older specification.

nutnub said:
Thank you for clarifying for us. Would you happen to know if there are specifics to recharge specs, short of finding me published papers on the technology? What you said is definitely what I've been reading from the Internet and I do trust you, just would help me have greater peace of mind with my nice and shiny devices,,,
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Have a look here for info on the recharging process for Lithium based cells.
https://sites.google.com/site/tjinguytech/charging-how-tos/the-charging-process
It is worth noting the level of precautions taken while charging the cells aggressively. You really don't need a bucket of sand on standby when you plug your phone in to it's charger
nutnub said:
A quick question, just because USB3.0 should allow up to 25W, that doesn't mean that it's the standard for devices, does it? As in Nexus 10 probably can only draw 10W, even if my computer (which although stated is USB3.0) may not have the circuitry behind it to allow for such a draw? I'm a little iffy on the whole implementation of USB standards. Because if USB2.0 has draw of up to 9W, I haven't seen this from my laptop or any devices claiming to have USB2.0 ports,,,
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There are actually 2 different current limits for each USB specification: USB2.0 has 0.5A and 1.8A, while USB3.0 has 1.5A and 5.0A
The lower of the current limits is what I would expect to get from a USB port on a computer, while the higher one I would expect to get from a dedicated charger.
I believe the higher current specification was added purely for charging mobile devices, as it is only achieved by adding a resistance across D+ and D-, removing the data transmission capabilities of the port. I don't know if that's practical, or possible with a computer USB port.
I do remember seeing motherboards with ports specifically designed for fast charging, but I haven't got any info on them as yet.

There are also kernels which enable "fast charging" on a PC. Basically it removes the data connection in software and treats any USB connection as if it were plugged into AC. You can charge just as fast on a computer as you can on a wall charger when this feature is enabled in the kernel.

I am using the N10 charger for my Note 2 and it charges bloody fast using this charger. Charging is noticeably faster on Note 2 than the stock 1A charger that came with the Note.
Battery is not getting warm and battery temps are similar to those on 1A charger. Basically its cutting the charging time in almost half.

Agreed. Note 2 charger is awesome. Bought a powergen 3.1 amp car charger for the note 2 also after watching videos and reading up on proper car chargers for the phone. Guess I can use it for my nexus 10 too.
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I own RC cars with lipo batteries and rule of thumb is total mah divide by 1000 = the Max amp charger you can use. So a 2100mah battery can be charged with a 2.1A charger.
On that note I charge my Samsung s3 that has a 2100mah battery with a 2.1A car charger without any issue.
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I used the N10's charger to charge my iPod Nano 3rd gen, no problem

Does G2 accept Quick Charge 1.0/2.0?

The G2 seems to be capable of using Quick Charge 2.0, which is part of the Snapdragon 801 chipset. But with mine I got a basic AC wall charger, and if you read the (literally) microscopic text on it, it says it's putting out only 1.1 amps... which is well short of the at least 2 to 5 amps of many other chargers. So my questions are this:
1. Did anyone else get a higher capacity charger with their retail kit? Mine is a long rectangle bearing the LG logo.
2. If not, is this stock charger really not compatible with Quick Charge 2.0, or am I just reading the fine print wrong?

I've been researching this further, and it may be that LG intentionally shipped a low amperage charger. Because the battery is not user-serviceable, it would behoove them to use a slower charger, since ultra-fast charging harmful to the its life and capacity. The intricacies of rechargeable batteries are many, but the excess heat generated during charging degrades a Li-Ion pack pretty quickly, among other things.
Still, based on the assumption that the stock charger is truly 1.1A, I just bought a QC2 charger -- when I'm out in the field, I don't have time to sit and wait for something to charge at an outlet. I also bought a 10000mAh external battery with a solar panel. The rate at which LP eats juice is no joke.

@voxluna the g2 is using an Snapdragon 800 chipset and it might be capable of doing it but I don't know about it. But the micro usb port also doesn't support it as the additional pins were highlikely for slimport. Also using quickcharge on a device like this is highly risky as the device might not handle it too well. If the stock drains too much I suggest to find the cause of the problem and kill it or use an good custom rom with an good kernel and remove apps you aren't using. Goodluck.
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wulsic said:
@voxluna the g2 is using an Snapdragon 800 chipset and it might be capable of doing it but I don't know about it. But the micro usb port also doesn't support it as the additional pins were highlikely for slimport. Also using quickcharge on a device like this is highly risky as the device might not handle it too well. If the stock drains too much I suggest to find the cause of the problem and kill it or use an good custom rom with an good kernel and remove apps you aren't using. Goodluck.
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I will dig into the QC2 wiring plan, just out of curiosity. I am confused as to whether an extra USB 3.0 port/pins are necessary (like on the Note 3) or not. Though I believe that plugging a phone into a higher amperage device is not supposed to be harmful. It's too late to cancel the Amazon order, so we'll see.
What I don't know is if my 1.1A charger is what's standard with a retail G2. The reason I asked if anyone else got a different charger is that this phone was a refurb I got from T-Mobile. For example, it came with a cable that I don't think is OEM LG, because it doesn't work with ADB. OTOH, it is possible they just don't implement QC2, like most models don't have the FM radio capability. But, the radio is omitted because carriers don't want it competing with music downloads; as for faster charging, I can't think of a good reason you wouldn't offer that feature.

@wulsic After a little digging, it appears you don't need any extra pins like on the Note 3; a sync+charge cable will suffice. And that makes sense, because the QC2 standard applies all the way from Snapdragon 200s to 8xx. Nonetheless, so far I haven't seen any documentation saying the G2 compatible with 2.0 -- the single LG device listed by Qualcomm is a G4. Crazy, really.
That still leaves QC 1.0, but I have yet find anything that shows the G2 (however, Qualcomm's listing is dated from before the phone came out, so it's not definitive). It may also be that a plain 2A charger, which I do have, can do the job faster than this LG 1.1A. I'll have to do some accurate testing to quantify a difference.

Further research: I came across this thread, a post in which seems to indicate that the G2 can do fast charging. However, I'm having a problem with the current not showing up properly in monitoring apps, which is confounding this entire process.

YotaPhone 2 charger is Qualcomm Quickcharge 2.0 compatible

Maybe this is old news but today I learned that the YotaPhone 2 charger shipped with the phone is actually Qualcomm Quickcharge 2.0 compatible. This means you can also charge other Qualcomm Quickcharge 2.0 compatible phones with it, like my other phone the Moto G4+. Works perfectly.

Yes, I've been using my QuickCharge 3.0 charger and it's charging with 9V ~1,3A.

kbal said:
Yes, I've been using my QuickCharge 3.0 charger and it's charging with 9V ~1,3A.
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Dont, fastcharging will greatly reduce you battery life.
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kingtiamath said:
Dont, fastcharging will greatly reduce you battery life.
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Although it is true it reduces your battery life it is only by a small margin, nog greatly.

VirtuaLeech said:
Although it is true it reduces your battery life it is only by a small margin, nog greatly.
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Im afraid it does. I have done many experiments myself and batteries often charged with fastcharge in as little as 6 months give you no more than 70% of its original charge.
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..the same goes for wireless charging btw.

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..the same goes for wireless charging btw.
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Are you joking? What is your answer based on?
Wireless charging runs on a much lower amperage so it should be the best solution to charge your phone.

nonyhaha said:
Are you joking? What is your answer based on?
Wireless charging runs on a much lower amperage so it should be the best solution to charge your phone.
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My answer is based on simple physics.
Just because the amps are lower doesn't mean it's not bad for the battery.
Wireless charging is way less efficient than any form of wired charging.
What happens to the loss? Well, it gets dissipated as heat - and what is the "big killer" of lithium batteries? ..heat.
For this single fact alone, denying that wireless charging causes more harm than a cabled charging is simply.. well, silly.
The only ones denying this are either unaware of simple science or are lying to you, probably to sell you a charger
Yes, every form of charging, even at a theoretical 100% efficiency will heat up the battery due to chemical reactions inside the battery, but the lower efficiency you have the more energy is converted into heat - thus you do more damage and getting even less actual battery-energy out of it.
Simply put: the best charging method is the one that produces the least amount of heat while maintaining a high efficiency - wireless charging is simply not that.
Charging using a cable at 90% means 10% is being converted into heat (not all 10%, but for arguments sake, play along), where as using wireless charging might be at.. 50% depending on different circumstances (probably a lot closer to 70% than 50%, but again, for arguments sake).
This means that the other 50% is just turned into wasted, unnecessary and unwanted heat.
The percentages obviously aren't correct in this example, but it's more to get the point across.
With wireless charging you do more damage (it is subjective as to whether this matters to you) to the battery than you would by using a cable, simply because you create more excessive heat which only purpose is to heat up the battery and surrounding area than actually going into the battery itself.
If we consider the 50% efficiency of the before mentioned example, this means that you would need to charge your device for almost twice as long time as when you use a cable. Not only does it create more heat by virtue of being inductive charging, but it will be doing so for, again, almost twice the time length.
Efficiency also depends on things like distance - the less "perfect" your phone is placed on the charger the less efficient, and thus more wasteful it is.
Google something like "qi wireless charging overheating" and you will see plenty of people reporting on overheating problems when using wireless charging. This is because of all this wasted energy that is dissipated as heat - instead of "filling" the battery it simply heats it, and the surroundings, up.
Despite being made to the same specs, this seem to differ from charger to charger, such as this thread here on XDA would indicate: http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/help/post-qi-charging-battery-temp-t2544768
If you look at the version specifications you see that version 1.2 of the "low power" Qi charging branch which phones are a part of increased the power to up to 15W.
Unless they also worked on the efficiency this would actually mean that version 1.2 does more damage to the battery than 1.0 and 1.1, but for that you would have to dive a bit deeper than the information given in that link.
But as always it's sort of subjective as to what point people will see wireless charging as being too wasteful and/or damaging.
Personally, I don't care because the convenience of wireless charging by far outways the little damage it does to a battery, in my opinion, and the same goes for QuickCharge as well. By the time I would see a noticeable effect on battery life I have probably already bought a new phone anyway
If we take Qualcomms QuickCharge for example,I think QC 3.0 is at the point of where people shouldn't really care about the negative impact. If you read the spec sheet for QC 3.0 it's basically a tweaked version of QC 2.0 (well duh) where the power delivery is controlled much better than QC 2.0 was, bringing both the efficiency and therefor speed to a much higher level even though both are rated for 18W.
Some reading for those who still doubt basic physics :
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_without_wires
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_at_high_and_low_temperatures
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/all_about_chargers
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/ultra_fast_chargers
..and the best of all: https://google.com/
But let me ask you the same question you asked me; and I quote:
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Are you joking? What is your answer based on?
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..that probably sounded very condescending (which is not how it was intended, of course), but I'm curious as to where you've acquired this absurd idea that Qi wireless charging is the best method of all? It's very likely the worst of all, actually.

There is almost no heat dissipated for QC3.0
For me quick charging is a big help, saves hours, if you have a large QC battery or powerbank especially. Yotaphone battery charges especially quickly with QC charger.

"..Wireless charging is way less efficient than any form of wired charging..."
Yes, because you convert first AC 110v or 240v to a lover voltage, f.e DC 5v with an efficiency of maybe 85%.
Then this 5v DC are chopped to a long wave ac voltage (about 19v / 110 to205 kHz) and sends to a cooper coil in the QI transmitter.
There the energy goes as a by a resonant inductive couppling (magnetic field) through a air gap to the QI receiver - again wit an efficiency of perhaps 70%.
The magnetic induction in the receiver coil delivers us again long wave ac voltage which is converted into adequate DC voltage (again efficiency about 70%).
So frankly speaking you may tell a bit of truth regarding losses converted to heat - but this heat ocures everywhere, but not in the Li-Po batteries. It does only in the last step: conversion of electrical energy into a chemical process inside of Li-Po.
Take a look to a label on your QI Charger and you will notice something like following: Input 5V/2a, Output 5V/1A (loss of 50%)
Almost all lithium batteries have their own charging controllers on board which take care of the correct charging parameters. Those controllers are adjusted to charge and also quick charge li-po batteries in the right manner.
Enough theory.
Just follow the electrical way:
in case of direct charger: USB-connector ->copper wire -> Smartphone -> copper wire->LiPo
in case of QI charger: USB Connector->copper coil->air gap->copper coil->copper wire-> LiPo
so there's no basic difference how the LiPo is connected to the power - in both cases by a copper wire
in both cases you can charge with lets say 5v/1A (of course LiPo will be charged with their own characteristical voltage and currents)
modern LiPos are built for a life of 700 bis 1000 charging cycles (about 2 years), and nobody knows if a LiPo would live longer by charging him slowly.
You can charge your smartphone in a fridge to prevent high temperatures.
USB devices are smart, they negotiate themselves by a protocol regarding the charge load. There is no danger to take a Smartphone with capability to be charged with 1.4 amps and connect it to a charger with a 2.1 amp.
You should take more care of the USB cable - it should be able to pass those required Amps to the devices.

Yes less efficient and worse for battery, maybe takes a few minutes more to charge, costs a little more to charge. But its much more pleasing not to use cables and very impressive too. I love wireless charging.

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My answer is based on simple physics.
Just because the amps are lower doesn't mean it's not bad for the battery.
Wireless charging is way less efficient than any form of wired charging.
What happens to the loss? Well, it gets dissipated as heat - and what is the "big killer" of lithium batteries? ..heat.
For this single fact alone, denying that wireless charging causes more harm than a cabled charging is simply.. well, silly.
The only ones denying this are either unaware of simple science or are lying to you, probably to sell you a charger
Yes, every form of charging, even at a theoretical 100% efficiency will heat up the battery due to chemical reactions inside the battery, but the lower efficiency you have the more energy is converted into heat - thus you do more damage and getting even less actual battery-energy out of it.
Simply put: the best charging method is the one that produces the least amount of heat while maintaining a high efficiency - wireless charging is simply not that.
Charging using a cable at 90% means 10% is being converted into heat (not all 10%, but for arguments sake, play along), where as using wireless charging might be at.. 50% depending on different circumstances (probably a lot closer to 70% than 50%, but again, for arguments sake).
This means that the other 50% is just turned into wasted, unnecessary and unwanted heat.
The percentages obviously aren't correct in this example, but it's more to get the point across.
With wireless charging you do more damage (it is subjective as to whether this matters to you) to the battery than you would by using a cable, simply because you create more excessive heat which only purpose is to heat up the battery and surrounding area than actually going into the battery itself.
If we consider the 50% efficiency of the before mentioned example, this means that you would need to charge your device for almost twice as long time as when you use a cable. Not only does it create more heat by virtue of being inductive charging, but it will be doing so for, again, almost twice the time length.
Efficiency also depends on things like distance - the less "perfect" your phone is placed on the charger the less efficient, and thus more wasteful it is.
Google something like "qi wireless charging overheating" and you will see plenty of people reporting on overheating problems when using wireless charging. This is because of all this wasted energy that is dissipated as heat - instead of "filling" the battery it simply heats it, and the surroundings, up.
Despite being made to the same specs, this seem to differ from charger to charger, such as this thread here on XDA would indicate: http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/help/post-qi-charging-battery-temp-t2544768
If you look at the version specifications you see that version 1.2 of the "low power" Qi charging branch which phones are a part of increased the power to up to 15W.
Unless they also worked on the efficiency this would actually mean that version 1.2 does more damage to the battery than 1.0 and 1.1, but for that you would have to dive a bit deeper than the information given in that link.
But as always it's sort of subjective as to what point people will see wireless charging as being too wasteful and/or damaging.
Personally, I don't care because the convenience of wireless charging by far outways the little damage it does to a battery, in my opinion, and the same goes for QuickCharge as well. By the time I would see a noticeable effect on battery life I have probably already bought a new phone anyway
If we take Qualcomms QuickCharge for example,I think QC 3.0 is at the point of where people shouldn't really care about the negative impact. If you read the spec sheet for QC 3.0 it's basically a tweaked version of QC 2.0 (well duh) where the power delivery is controlled much better than QC 2.0 was, bringing both the efficiency and therefor speed to a much higher level even though both are rated for 18W.
Some reading for those who still doubt basic physics :
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_without_wires
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_at_high_and_low_temperatures
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/all_about_chargers
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/ultra_fast_chargers
..and the best of all: https://google.com/
But let me ask you the same question you asked me; and I quote:
..that probably sounded very condescending (which is not how it was intended, of course), but I'm curious as to where you've acquired this absurd idea that Qi wireless charging is the best method of all? It's very likely the worst of all, actually.
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So you really think you know what you are saying there...
Heat dissipation will happen ONLY on the emitter part. So no heating on the recetor coil as well as no heating in the phone. I thinl ypu have to get your facts straight.
Because wireless charging coils run on such low amperage this will nevver become a problem of overheating.
As you said before me, you should get your phisics knowlege up to date. I am already a graduate with a phisics degree.

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So you really think you know what you are saying there...
Heat dissipation will happen ONLY on the emitter part. So no heating on the recetor coil as well as no heating in the phone. I thinl ypu have to get your facts straight.
Because wireless charging coils run on such low amperage this will nevver become a problem of overheating.
As you said before me, you should get your phisics knowlege up to date. I am already a graduate with a phisics degree.
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Yes, I do think I know what I'm talking about - but luckily you came to the rescue and used your alleged physics degree to write a reply that proved me wrong with all of your facts, right?
Oh, no.. you didn't - you just doubled down instead, well done.
It doesn't matter (and is not important in this case) where the heat dissipation happens (and never did I claim it happened at the receiver - only that it happens) - the battery is still being heated up regardless, due to the energy loss.
If someone with an alleged physics degree keeps denying that the battery is heated up accordingly to my previous post then I doubt that you finished at the top of your class, if at all, sorry. I would really like to see all your evidence you have against what I wrote in my previous post (and that tons of people are posting about on the interwebz).
Just give it a go on Google, such as this thread from XDA: http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/help/post-qi-charging-battery-temp-t2544768
You can even do a simple charging test of your own, just compare battery temperatures while using a Qi wireless charger, QC2.0 and another at 1A.
Are everyone posting about high temperatures while using Qi chargers lying? Why would they do that? ..maybe the wired-charging-mafia are paying people to discredit WPC and other groups.. hm, maybe.
Yeah, it's getting a bit ridiculous, but silly claims require silly responses, sorry
If you can actually prove what I was saying in my previous post is wrong then I'll gladly accept it, but I do not take "na-ah, not true" with any degree of seriousness and neither do I give credit to claims of physics degrees. In that case I'm an ESA astronaut currently in space - see where this is going?
I go by what you actually write, not what you claim. The only reason for boasting about alleged degrees is to divert attention from the lack of any credible proof - disprove what my previous post said and I'll gladly accept it.

Ok, so my Yotaphone 2 charger has quick charge ability, as does my Samsung Galaxy Note 4 charger and car charger.
Despite all of these chargers having fast charging ability and my Samsung Note 4 fast charging perfectly with all of them, none of them appear to fast charge my Yotaphone 2......
It's at 63% charged right now and whether I plug it into a non QC charger or any of my quick chargers, it's saying 55 minutes until fully charged.
I've looked through the settings pages and can't find a way to enable quick charge on my Yotaphone like I could on my Note 4 battery page.
I'm running a Gearbest supplied YD206 which I flashed to the RU 134 ROM (so it's now showing as a YD201)
Am I missing something?
Any ideas/replies would be greatly appreciated!

Yotaphone 2 charger should indicate active quick charging by ligthing up "Yotaphone" with white LEDs on the charger. If its charging with 5V only your charger doesn't light up.
I don't think that theres something wrong with your phone. Just that charging estimation is inaccurate (at the moment).

Well my chargers Yotaphone logo is lighting up, so I guess it's working then. Thanks for the reply ?
I've had to put the two pin Yotaphone charger block into a three pin UK adaptor to try it. Annoyingly & worryingly it buzzes a lot & quite loudly - is that the same for everyone?

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Ok, so my Yotaphone 2 charger has quick charge ability, as does my Samsung Galaxy Note 4 charger and car charger.
Despite all of these chargers having fast charging ability and my Samsung Note 4 fast charging perfectly with all of them, none of them appear to fast charge my Yotaphone 2......
It's at 63% charged right now and whether I plug it into a non QC charger or any of my quick chargers, it's saying 55 minutes until fully charged.
I've looked through the settings pages and can't find a way to enable quick charge on my Yotaphone like I could on my Note 4 battery page.
I'm running a Gearbest supplied YD206 which I flashed to the RU 134 ROM (so it's now showing as a YD201)
Am I missing something?
Any ideas/replies would be greatly appreciated!
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Perhaps something wrong is with the cable, not the charger. Something like that happened to me sometime ago - when I used some different cable QC works again.

I had already tried three different chargers and two different cables
If the earlier post about the Yotaphone charger lighting up is correct, I think the phone is quick charging ok.
I guess I was expecting something similar to my Note 4 where it actually stated "fast charging" in the battery menu if I was charging it with a QC.
That message would then change to "charging" if I used a standard charger instead.

I bought a new powerbank, it seems to charge other phones ok but NOT the yotaphone. The powerbank displays the percentage charge for about 10 seconds then display goes off, but so does the yotaphone charging. Other phones and gadgets don't go off. Anyone else have this?
Powerbank is QC3.0. I have tried using different cables, always same.
Sometimes it charges OK. I thought my powerbank was fake until I found it charged other gadgets well.

I also noticed that YotaPhone2 sometimes doesn't want to charge. I just plug it in (cable&charger original), the YotaPhone logo lights up but the phone just doesn't charge! I will try with my power bank and see what happens.
I haven't understood the cause yet, maybe it's because mine has unlocked bootloader, TWRP, root, xposed. (YD206)

Fast charging information needed

So, I have finally learned what in my charger makes it fast. It uses the 5V and not the 9V, not sure why there's a 9V if phones use a 5V but I learned that the more amps the faster the charging. Like I currently have a ZTE 1.5A charger and a friend has a 4A dash charger for their OP3. Mine takes over an hour and their's takes a hour at most they claim. So if the V20 supports 3.0 charging, what's the most amps I can use in a charger to get the fastest charging possible? Would it be unsafe if I went to some extreme amount, like would it make my phone over charge and blow up or something?

The total power charged (watts) = voltage x amperage. So its a function of both volts and amps. For the fastest charging get a charger that supports qc3. This is standard that includes both how fast to charge and a signature that the phone and charger support qc3 to actually use the faster charging.
If you get a charger that doesn't support quick charge but some other standard the phone and charger will see that they don't support that other charging standard and charge at a safe slow rate.

The V20 does not support QuickCharge 3.0, that needs to be clear from the start because it causes a lot of confusion. The Snapdragon 820 does have support for the QC 3.0 standard, but LG chose for some reason NOT to support it. What the V20 does support is USB-PD aka Power Delivery which is similar to QC 3.0 in how it operates but it is NOT QC 3.0 (but the V20 does support QC 2.0 without issues with the stock charger).
USB-PD works like QC 3.0 in the sense that it does the charging in a different way that keeps the cells cooler during the charging process and doesn't cause the heat buildup that QC 2.0 causes. The factory LG V20 charger supports QC 2.0 and if you go into the hidden menu (*#546368*<3-digit model number>#, might not work on every variant) and then SVC Menu - Battery Test - Battery Info - select the Enable Log button - check the box for Battery Log Save On/Off and it will then show the relevant info. Once you see the information display, plug in whatever charger you wish and then wait and see what it shows for High Voltage parameter.
If it's QuickCharge it will show the version being used - the stock V20 charger shows me QC2 so that's QuickCharge 2.0. I have a Samsung QC 3.0 compatible charger and when that's attached it shows USB-DCP which from what I understand is Samsung's modified variant of USB-PD but that could be wrong. I did some quick research and found this so it could be limiting the charging to 1.5A which is perfectly fine with me):
Dedicated charging port (DCP) BC1.1 describes power sources like wall warts and auto adapters that do not enumerate so that charging can occur with no digital communication at all. DCPs can supply up to 1.5A and are identified by a short between D+ to D-. This allows the creation of DCP "wall warts" that feature a USB mini or micro receptacle instead of a permanently attached wire with a barrel or customized connector. Such adapters allow any USB cable (with the correct plugs) to be used for charging.
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That was taken from this page:
https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/app-notes/index.mvp/id/4803
My V20, using the stock Samsung 2A charger that I always use (because I don't like to quick charge my batteries, I don't trust it in any form and I still think it's damaging the cells but that's my own personal opinion on quick charging overall), can go from 15% to 85% (I use AccuBattery set to 85% and it alerts me when it hits that point so I can unplug, this increases the overall lifespan of the cell I'm using as measured in years not per-charge) in about 55 minutes to 1 hour depending on whether I'm still using the device or letting it charge screen off. That's using a plain old vanilla 2 amp capable charger and when I check the charging current sometimes it'll actually show 2.2 amps (2200+ miliamps) so I'm perfectly happy with that situation.
I've read reports from owners of Pixel USB chargers and when they use them with their V20 smartphones and look at the battery info in the hidden menu it will show USB-PD so I might have to get one of those sometime and see how it goes.
Suffice to say, 55 minutes for a 15% to 85% charge for me is fast enough and the battery still stays pretty cool overall. USB-PD is probably the best tech we'll be able to make use of with the V20. I've read that the V30 does fully support QC 3.0 without issues and the the stock V30 charger is QC 3.0 compliant. The new V40 is QC 4.0 ready but I don't know at this moment whether or not the actual stock charger handles it but again, the QC 4.0 support is handled by the SoC and it remains to be seen if LG allows it or forces it to QC 3.0/USB-PD operation. Guess I need to do some research into that aspect of the V40 too.

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The V20 does not support QuickCharge 3.0, that needs to be clear from the start because it causes a lot of confusion. The Snapdragon 820 does have support for the QC 3.0 standard, but LG chose for some reason NOT to support it. What the V20 does support is USB-PD aka Power Delivery which is similar to QC 3.0 in how it operates but it is NOT QC 3.0 (but the V20 does support QC 2.0 without issues with the stock charger).
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The V20 can support QC 3 with a custom kernel, for example with mk2000 oreo 1.1 beta with a qc3 3 charger it indicates HVDCP_3 (HVDCP is one of the important parts of quick charge)

I've been using exclusively pd or qc3 chargers with my v20 and both properly work, verified with a usb power meter. Qc3 does the little 200mv adjustments as expected. Although to be fair i do run mk2000

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The V20 does not support QuickCharge 3.0, that needs to be clear from the start because it causes a lot of confusion. The Snapdragon 820 does have support for the QC 3.0 standard, but LG chose for some reason NOT to support it.
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Have always doubted whether it was QC 2 or 3 but the log shows QC2.0TA in the service menu. Voltages measured by an inline meter are closer to 9V and around 1.3A (only with screen off) which suggests QC2. Power in shoots up to 15W initially and then drops to 13W and then 11 something W.
QC3 would be closer to 7V something with a higher amp input.. That's what the QC3 power bank used to charge the V20 accepts when charging itself.
This is stock btw, not rooted nor using any roms.
What the V20 does support is USB-PD aka Power Delivery which is similar to QC 3.0 in how it operates but it is NOT QC 3.0 (but the V20 does support QC 2.0 without issues with the stock charger)
USB-PD works like QC 3.0 in the sense that it does the charging in a different way that keeps the cells cooler during the charging process and doesn't cause the heat buildup that QC 2.0 causes.
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I found this interesting and hooked up my 100W laptop usb c charger to the phone and then use a usbc inline meter and found it did quick charge. At the same rate as Qc2. The meter read 8.91V @1.5A . This is surprising as i'd have thought usbc operates at 5V and a higher amperage.
When i looked at battery test screen from the service menu, the item for High voltage TA status reads as OFF. Yet my plugable usb c inline meter records around 13.5W going in with screen off. The voltage was 8.91V 1.5A. That's not USB-PD afaik, which should have said 5 V and a higher current draw. My laptop charger does not do Qualcom quick charge at all, So i'm not sure what is going on here.
I've been wary of using my laptop charger to charge the phone as i'd read an early report that some people had a bootloop problem and it was caused by USB PD chargers.
The factory LG V20 charger supports QC 2.0 and if you go into the hidden menu (*#546368#*<3-digit model number>#, might not work on every variant) and then SVC Menu - Battery Test - Battery Info - select the Enable Log button - check the box for Battery Log Save On/Off and it will then show the relevant info. Once you see the information display, plug in whatever charger you wish and then wait and see what it shows for High Voltage parameter.
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Fixed the code for you, it was missing a # before the * model number
If it's QuickCharge it will show the version being used - the stock V20 charger shows me QC2 so that's QuickCharge 2.0. I have a Samsung QC 3.0 compatible charger and when that's attached it shows USB-DCP which from what I understand is Samsung's modified variant of USB-PD but that could be wrong. I did some quick research and found this so it could be limiting the charging to 1.5A which is perfectly fine with me):
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Interesting, when i hook up a ravpower power bank that is also QC3 comparible i still see QC2. It charges no faster than the stock charger LG includes in the box
I've read reports from owners of Pixel USB chargers and when they use them with their V20 smartphones and look at the battery info in the hidden menu it will show USB-PD so I might have to get one of those sometime and see how it goes.
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Not in my case with a laptop charger, it just reads as OFF.. Do you remember where you read this maybe a link.
However when i use the laptop charger to usb C PD charge my power bank, the meter reads 4.89V 2.77A. That is a usb c PD charge. These are not the figures i get when using the laptop charger with the V20 as indicated above.
USB-PD is probably the best tech we'll be able to make use of with the V20. I've read that the V30 does fully support QC 3.0 without issues and the the stock V30 charger is QC 3.0 compliant. The new V40 is QC 4.0 ready but I don't know at this moment whether or not the actual stock charger handles it but again, the QC 4.0 support is handled by the SoC and it remains to be seen if LG allows it or forces it to QC 3.0/USB-PD operation. Guess I need to do some research into that aspect of the V40 too.
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I have mixed views about USB-PD and its suitability for phones. Laptops have larger cooling areas and so USB PD is fine with them. My laptop has a 100W charger and its charging as i type this and i don't find the laptop gets warm at all. The history with the 6P & First pixel showed people with battery problems and having to replace the battery shortly after a year. Particularly with the 6P. Not heard any problems with the second gen pixel as yet. Maybe its still too early. But even with qualcom quick charge and i use it all the time there should not be any problems with battery after a mere year.

Having said all that in the last post I made, a friend gave me a Samsung EP-TA20JBE charger last night, go figure. It's the first Samsung "fast charger" that I've had and I decided to plug it into my V20 and see what it showed. I know that if you use the Pixel chargers the battery info in the service menu will show USB_PD meaning it's communicating and charging using the Power Delivery standard. My regular Samsung 2A charger - plain old vanilla non-QC compatible straight 2A charger - shows USB_DCP when charging my V20 so that's a known thing; there is no QC support, no PD support, nothing but just pure current provided as requested.
Here's the funny thing:
The Samsung EP-TA20JBE apparently is a QC 3.0 compatible charger, but since it's made by Samsung what I see under the battery info is USB_HVDCP which I've never seen before. So I did research into the USB_HVDCP meaning and of course the HV means High Voltage.
What I discovered is that if you're using a true Qualcomm compliant QuickCharge 3.0 device with a true Qualcomm compliant QuickCharge 3.0 charger, your device should report it's getting QC3.0 under the battery info but that's where the fun begins because non-compliant hardware will just show "USB_HVDCP. Of course, because this is not an LG charger and the sense and communication stuff is not from them, it's falling back to Samsung's version of QC3.0 protocols - but what I discovered is that in such instances it's actually Qualcomm QuickCharge 3.0 in effect, it's just that on non-compliant chargers Qualcomm detects the charging protocol as USB_HVDCP.
So, I ran my V20 down to about 15% using a battery app that forces the device to use nearly 100% of the CPU, that took the better part of 45 minutes or so, and when the phone beeped to alert me it needed charging I stopped the battery rundown app, let the phone sit for about 15 minutes idle so it would cool down, then I plugged in the Samsung USB charger I picked up last night (using my Monoprice 26 gauge USB-C charging cable).
Normally if I charge the device using that Samsung vanilla 2A charger from 15% it will cause my V20 to get warm on the backside because it's pulling the full 2A from the charger and of course it'll get warm. It also takes roughly 55 minutes to about 1 hour solid to go from 15% to 85%, and the phone will stay warm till about 65% when the current pull changes to something lower, maybe 1.5A, and it continues to decline as the actual charge increases and of course the V20 cools down to various degrees (pun intended) as the current pull decreases.
But here's what I noticed using this Samsung USB charger:
I watched the charging indicator (screen off, I use AccuBattery which shows me the current battery percentage on the V20's second screen) and it was literally going up 1% every 35-40 seconds which I had never seen before, all the way to 85%. My V20 remained basically cool to the touch from the moment I plugged in that charger to the time AccuBattery alerted me about the 85% cap - that's what I have it set for to ensure I get a longer lifespan (measured in years) from the OEM LG cell I bought back in August, manufactured in Nov 2017 by the date on the battery.
So, I'm not sure what this all means but based on what I read about Qualcomm and how their chargers ID themselves, if you see USB_HVDCP that is QuickCharge 3.0 under the battery info in the service menu - it's not Power Delivery because the Samsung charger doesn't apparently support that protocol (but I'm not 100% sure on that one).
It's actually honest-to-goodness QuickCharge 3.0, according to the info I read yesterday afternoon, so while I'm still not 100% sure on the protocols or the various naming conventions like USB_PD, USB_DCP, USB_HVDCP, etc (I mean I know what they stand for, sure) and how the V20 identifies the charging protocols and usage, what I can for certain is that for the first time since I've owned my V20, I can charge it with this Samsung USB charger and never feel it get warm at all so for me that's a huge positive. Li-Ion batteries HATE heat buildup, that'll kill their effective lifespan (again measured in years) more than most anything else.
All the vanilla 2A or 1.8A chargers I have cause the phone to heat up during the charging process. I have a Motorola "TURBO" 25 watt QuickCharge 2.0 compatible microUSB charger that I used for testing purposes with a microUSB-to-USB-C adapter and under battery info that identifies as USB_DCP so that's QuickCharge 2.0 (which that particular charger is designed for) and the battery heats up when I use it. This new Samsung charger I just got last night, charges just as fast if not faster and there is NO heat buildup whatsoever that I could detect so, yep, QuickCharge 3.0 even if it's not identifying as QC3.0 under the battery info.
I suppose what I said earlier is now considered moot: the V20 DOES support QuickCharge 3.0, just not with the stock LG charger because it's not a QC 3.0 charger to begin with.
So, yeah, I guess I'll be using this Samsung charger from now on.

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Having said all that in the last post I made, a friend gave me a Samsung EP-TA20JBE charger last night, go figure. It's the first Samsung "fast charger" that I've had and I decided to plug it into my V20 and see what it showed. I know that if you use the Pixel chargers the battery info in the service menu will show USB_PD meaning it's communicating and charging using the Power Delivery standard. My regular Samsung 2A charger - plain old vanilla non-QC compatible straight 2A charger - shows USB_DCP when charging my V20 so that's a known thing; there is no QC support, no PD support, nothing but just pure current provided as requested.
Here's the funny thing:
The Samsung EP-TA20JBE apparently is a QC 3.0 compatible charger, but since it's made by Samsung what I see under the battery info is USB_HVDCP which I've never seen before. So I did research into the USB_HVDCP meaning and of course the HV means High Voltage.
What I discovered is that if you're using a true Qualcomm compliant QuickCharge 3.0 device with a true Qualcomm compliant QuickCharge 3.0 charger, your device should report it's getting QC3.0 under the battery info but that's where the fun begins because non-compliant hardware will just show "USB_HVDCP. Of course, because this is not an LG charger and the sense and communication stuff is not from them, it's falling back to Samsung's version of QC3.0 protocols - but what I discovered is that in such instances it's actually Qualcomm QuickCharge 3.0 in effect, it's just that on non-compliant chargers Qualcomm detects the charging protocol as USB_HVDCP.
So, I ran my V20 down to about 15% using a battery app that forces the device to use nearly 100% of the CPU, that took the better part of 45 minutes or so, and when the phone beeped to alert me it needed charging I stopped the battery rundown app, let the phone sit for about 15 minutes idle so it would cool down, then I plugged in the Samsung USB charger I picked up last night (using my Monoprice 26 gauge USB-C charging cable).
Normally if I charge the device using that Samsung vanilla 2A charger from 15% it will cause my V20 to get warm on the backside because it's pulling the full 2A from the charger and of course it'll get warm. It also takes roughly 55 minutes to about 1 hour solid to go from 15% to 85%, and the phone will stay warm till about 65% when the current pull changes to something lower, maybe 1.5A, and it continues to decline as the actual charge increases and of course the V20 cools down to various degrees (pun intended) as the current pull decreases.
But here's what I noticed using this Samsung USB charger:
I watched the charging indicator (screen off, I use AccuBattery which shows me the current battery percentage on the V20's second screen) and it was literally going up 1% every 35-40 seconds which I had never seen before, all the way to 85%. My V20 remained basically cool to the touch from the moment I plugged in that charger to the time AccuBattery alerted me about the 85% cap - that's what I have it set for to ensure I get a longer lifespan (measured in years) from the OEM LG cell I bought back in August, manufactured in Nov 2017 by the date on the battery.
So, I'm not sure what this all means but based on what I read about Qualcomm and how their chargers ID themselves, if you see USB_HVDCP that is QuickCharge 3.0 under the battery info in the service menu - it's not Power Delivery because the Samsung charger doesn't apparently support that protocol (but I'm not 100% sure on that one).
It's actually honest-to-goodness QuickCharge 3.0, according to the info I read yesterday afternoon, so while I'm still not 100% sure on the protocols or the various naming conventions like USB_PD, USB_DCP, USB_HVDCP, etc (I mean I know what they stand for, sure) and how the V20 identifies the charging protocols and usage, what I can for certain is that for the first time since I've owned my V20, I can charge it with this Samsung USB charger and never feel it get warm at all so for me that's a huge positive. Li-Ion batteries HATE heat buildup, that'll kill their effective lifespan (again measured in years) more than most anything else.
All the vanilla 2A or 1.8A chargers I have cause the phone to heat up during the charging process. I have a Motorola "TURBO" 25 watt QuickCharge 2.0 compatible microUSB charger that I used for testing purposes with a microUSB-to-USB-C adapter and under battery info that identifies as USB_DCP so that's QuickCharge 2.0 (which that particular charger is designed for) and the battery heats up when I use it. This new Samsung charger I just got last night, charges just as fast if not faster and there is NO heat buildup whatsoever that I could detect so, yep, QuickCharge 3.0 even if it's not identifying as QC3.0 under the battery info.
I suppose what I said earlier is now considered moot: the V20 DOES support QuickCharge 3.0, just not with the stock LG charger because it's not a QC 3.0 charger to begin with.
So, yeah, I guess I'll be using this Samsung charger from now on.
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Plain USB_HVDCP is quickcharge 2.0, when its 3 it shows as USB_HVDCP_3 (if you use a custom kernel like mk2000 and a qc3 charger its possible)

What made me think the V20 uses QC3 is the inline meter i used with it said so. This btw is from the stock charger too. But the voltages do not convince me

The voltage between qc2 and 3 are pretty much the same, but 3 has more levels in between the max and min voltage so less energy is wasted.

They're not the same. I remember a post from the HTC 10 forum and that phone comes with a QC3 certified charger and the volts were in the 7 range with higher amps. Which btw is the same as when my ravpower power bank charges with a QC3 compliant but not certified charger

So we still don't have anything absolutely concrete, great.
But as I said, with a QC 2.0 charger (the Motorola TURBO one) my V20 gets quite warm from 15% to 85%.
With this Samsung QC 3.0 charger, it doesn't get noticeably warm to any significant amount from 15% to 85% AND it gets charged faster.
So I have no idea and really just figured "OK, whatever, it charges faster and cooler, I'll use it..." and that's that.

Charging speed

I'm sure this has been answered somewhere already but what's the deal with the s10 plus still using the same qc 2.0 from at least the note 4? I seen today that the A70 will have super fast charging, wouldn't you think the flagship device would too. Is this something that can be fixed with a software update or is it a hardware issue?

It's not QC 2.0 anymore according to all I found.
It's "15W Adaptive Fast Charging" I observed how it slows down when the battery is either too low or too high, which is great for longevity.
Don't fall to the fast charging trend propaganda, fast charging over a certain level will always damage your battery and there's no doubt that Li-ion tech isn't made for this, OEMs like Huawei are pushing the average buyer's stupidity by making them believe they need 40W+ charging, you don't.
The main reason behind Samsung not coming with some new charging protocol is that they have to deal with Qualcomm in the Americas, that would mean their International versions would charge faster than QC 4 and it would create a failure in delivering a specific feature worldwide.
I disabled fast charging completely since there's absolutely no need for it, if you need "half battery charger In 20 minutes!" on a 4100mAh device that can deliver 15h SoT, you're just not responsible.
I slow charge my battery while I'm working by keeping it between 50 and 85%, once a day, every day, my battery will have at least 95% health in two years and that way I won't have to depend on portable chargers whenever I need the whole battery to last.