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4:3 or 16:9?

Hi guys
Noticed that on the 6p, the pixel were much lower if u choose 16:9
Which do u perfer to shoot with? 4:3 with more pixel, or 16:9 with less pixel?
and why you do it?
Thanks.

I prefer the 16:9 just because it fills the entire screen. It would be nice if we could have it both ways though.

murphyjasonc said:
I prefer the 16:9 just because it fills the entire screen. It would be nice if we could have it both ways though.
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but the 16:9 has a lesser pixel? do u notice the picture in 16:9 have a lesser quality compare to 4:3?
I also like that the 16:9 fill the entire screen, but the quality to me is important too

mousefai0922 said:
but the 16:9 has a lesser pixel? do u notice the picture in 16:9 have a lesser quality compare to 4:3?
I also like that the 16:9 fill the entire screen, but the quality to me is important too
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I've been using both off and on. To me the difference is minimal. The 4:3 seems to be a little better in low light but in bright light I can't tell the difference. I've been using open camera app to shoot 16:9 and google camera to shoot 4:3. I haven't settled on one or the other as my main shooter yet though. I'm debating on trying pro camera to see how it does. It won't be the first couple of dollars I've wasted if it isn't any better. I'm trying to find a good one that will shoot stills while taking video. I got used to that coming from my note 3 and then G4.

murphyjasonc said:
I've been using both off and on. To me the difference is minimal. The 4:3 seems to be a little better in low light but in bright light I can't tell the difference. I've been using open camera app to shoot 16:9 and google camera to shoot 4:3. I haven't settled on one or the other as my main shooter yet though. I'm debating on trying pro camera to see how it does. It won't be the first couple of dollars I've wasted if it isn't any better. I'm trying to find a good one that will shoot stills while taking video. I got used to that coming from my note 3 and then G4.
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I'm in the same boat. While I enjoy 16:9 mostly, I prefer to get as much quality to my pictures as possible with the 4:3 before any processing. That said - ProShot looks pretty nice, but unfortunately it's reported changing EV has been disabled? What a dumb move by Google...

murphyjasonc said:
I've been using both off and on. To me the difference is minimal. The 4:3 seems to be a little better in low light but in bright light I can't tell the difference. I've been using open camera app to shoot 16:9 and google camera to shoot 4:3. I haven't settled on one or the other as my main shooter yet though. I'm debating on trying pro camera to see how it does. It won't be the first couple of dollars I've wasted if it isn't any better. I'm trying to find a good one that will shoot stills while taking video. I got used to that coming from my note 3 and then G4.
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the full screen disply on 16:9 is one of the main reason i choose to use it. It just kinda weird to have black space on the side.....
i havent try any other camera software.. any recommendation u have?

mousefai0922 said:
the full screen disply on 16:9 is one of the main reason i choose to use it. It just kinda weird to have black space on the side.....
i havent try any other camera software.. any recommendation u have?
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I've tried several that are in the play store. For me open camera works the best out of the free ones. Search for open camera in the play store and give it a try. It had way more options than the google camera app.

Camera sensors are generally 4:3, even professional ones most the time are.
16:9 crops the sensor, hence lower megapixelsis
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ALWAYS use 4:3 because only this way you will get all the pixels. You can resize it later and cut it down to whatever ratio you want - but you can never do it the other way round (without losing quality).

Yeah, the 4:3 vs 16:9 thing has been on my mind lately too... I like 16:9 pictures better, but when I compare the pictures I take, the only difference I notice is the 16:9 is basically zoomed in. You get no "wider" view, it just basically crops the top and bottom of the image off. There is a camera app or two that I've used that does make it wider, but those don't seem quite as nice as an image.

tele_jas said:
Yeah, the 4:3 vs 16:9 thing has been on my mind lately too... I like 16:9 pictures better, but when I compare the pictures I take, the only difference I notice is the 16:9 is basically zoomed in. You get no "wider" view, it just basically crops the top and bottom of the image off. There is a camera app or two that I've used that does make it wider, but those don't seem quite as nice as an image.
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Well the aspect ratio of the sensor is 4:3, so it cuts of pixels until you get 16:9. Changing the aspect ratio without interpolation is only possible by cropping. Interpolation is what happens in the apps you mention which leads to decreased quality.

mousefai0922 said:
but the 16:9 has a lesser pixel? do u notice the picture in 16:9 have a lesser quality compare to 4:3?
I also like that the 16:9 fill the entire screen, but the quality to me is important too
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You don't get lesser quality when shooting in 16:9, it's the exact same quality. The only difference is the image is cropped at the top and bottom to achieve the 16:9 aspect ratio.

What's weird is the S6, Note5, and G4 have the full resolution at 16:9, where the 4:3 was a cropped version of 16:9.
I shoot in 4:3 to have the full 12.2MP image. I can always crop it later.

italia0101 said:
Camera sensors are generally 4:3, even professional ones most the time are.
16:9 crops the sensor, hence lower megapixelsis
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what do u mean by crop the sensor?

Valynor said:
ALWAYS use 4:3 because only this way you will get all the pixels. You can resize it later and cut it down to whatever ratio you want - but you can never do it the other way round (without losing quality).
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but let say i shoot in 4:3, how can i cut it down to 16:9?

tele_jas said:
Yeah, the 4:3 vs 16:9 thing has been on my mind lately too... I like 16:9 pictures better, but when I compare the pictures I take, the only difference I notice is the 16:9 is basically zoomed in. You get no "wider" view, it just basically crops the top and bottom of the image off. There is a camera app or two that I've used that does make it wider, but those don't seem quite as nice as an image.
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i do noticed that too
So to clarify, 4:3 has a wider angle and 16:9 is zoomed in right?
i just like the feeling that 16:9 takes up ur whole screen when viewing on photo app

Heisenberg said:
You don't get lesser quality when shooting in 16:9, it's the exact same quality. The only difference is the image is cropped at the top and bottom to achieve the 16:9 aspect ratio.
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so like other user are saying, is good to take it as 4:3 since u can edit later on but u cant edit when u shoot on 16:9 right?

mousefai0922 said:
but let say i shoot in 4:3, how can i cut it down to 16:9?
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Use any picture editor that features a "crop" function and remove part of the top and bottom of the original 4:3 picture until you get a 16:9 ratio or any other ratio you like (e.g. 3:2 is also common). Done.
It's the same as taking the shot in 16:9 but this way you can decide later which parts of the 4:3 you want to cut off (only top, only bottom or part of both).

mousefai0922 said:
so like other user are saying, is good to take it as 4:3 since u can edit later on but u cant edit when u shoot on 16:9 right?
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Well you technically could edit a 16:9 image down to a 4:3 ratio by cropping the sides off the image. Doing this will result in an image containing even less pixels though. If you're really worried about it just take photos in the 4:3 ratio and crop them to 16:9 if you need to. I just have mine set to 16:9 all the time, I don't like the look of images in the 4:3 ratio. Using 16:9 allows the images to fill the screen on my phone, my tv, and my laptop (mostly).

Heisenberg said:
Well you technically could edit a 16:9 image down to a 4:3 ratio by cropping the sides off the image. Doing this will result in an image containing even less pixels though. If you're really worried about it just take photos in the 4:3 ratio and crop them to 16:9 if you need to. I just have mine set to 16:9 all the time, I don't like the look of images in the 4:3 ratio. Using 16:9 allows the images to fill the screen on my phone, my tv, and my laptop (mostly).
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yea, the only reason i will consider taking in 16:9 is that it fills the entire 6p screen

Video recording zooming.

Coming from a note 5, going from photo to video shooting, the aspect looked the same through the lens.
On the S7 edge screen I switch from photo to video it looks like it's zoomed in 2x. Can't someone with more knowledge than me explain why that is?

I guess that you have set photo mode to 4:3 ratio but video is 16:9 ratio so when you switch from 4:3 to 16:9 the top and buttom part is cropped/cut off and looked zoomed in since the camera sensor is a 4:3 rectangle.
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camera video quality

I took a couple of videos and the quality to me just isn't that great. This is with the UHD setting. Just isn't that clear for UHD.

I agree I had lots of noise/grain in mine. FHD60 seems a bit cleaner

This is a pic zoomed in half way. Looks awful. I bought this phone because the camera was supposed to be unreal. Is this normal or just maybe I have a bad cam?

Shot some video in a dark bar venue of a band playing. Using the main lens and manual settings, it turned out really well. The wide angle left a bit to be desired as shot but I think I have an idea for that lens. Shot with 1080 at 30fps high bit rate. Posted it in another thread over the weekend.

And at full zoom

Shot at 1080 30...

anth75 said:
Shot at 1080 30...
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Looks as though you may have a dirty lens.
The light in the room is a give away of grease or finger prints across lens. As the ceiling light starts to chase across your shot.
Same thing can cause grainy pictures. As it effects even a camera shot the same way.
Always try cleaning the lens if the shot seems to be poor.

shwnr11 said:
Looks as though you may have a dirty lens.
The light in the room is a give away of grease or finger prints across lens. As the ceiling light starts to chase across your shot.
Same thing can cause grainy pictures. As it effects even a camera shot the same way.
Always try cleaning the lens if the shot seems to be poor.
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I've tried to clean the lens, no luck. Do u think it's the phone itself?

Did you set to record in high bit rate?

Personally, I think the camera, both video and still, is the weakest part of the phone. I am not happy with that, but will live with it until the Note 8 comes out.

And you removed protector of the camera lens?

anth75 said:
Shot at 1080 30...
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What other settings did you use? (ISO, Shutter Speed, Bit Rate, Filters?)
I will say that it looks like you're using the digital zoom, which is always problem #1. Never use digital zoom unless you have to do so. Whoever came up with this gimmick should be dragged out into the street and hung. It just doesn't get you anything but a mess. Optical zoom is optimal. Bipedal zoom is your secondary option. Digital zoom just shouldn't be an option. It is quite literally the option you choose when you want to have some sort of shot, any shot, and you don't care about the quality of the shot. This goes for any device from a cellphone up to a DSLR.
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This was shot in a very dark bar venue with mediocre stage lighting. (Strike one against getting decent footage.) ISO 3200 (Another strike against any decent footage as you're maxing out the gain on the sensor.) 1080 at 30fps so I used a shutter speed of 1/60. I used the high bit rate setting. The refocusing is me touching the screen as I couldn't tell if I had good focus since it was dark and my eyes kinda suck these days without readers. I was playing with the audio settings and had no idea how to set it for a concert so I cheated and used approximately what I found for concert settings in the HD recorder app.
Considering the conditions..... the V20 did extremely well! I could pick things out in the audio that I couldn't live in person. In person, it was just a wall of sound sometimes. The video turned out amazing for being a tiny camera sensor. The only real thing I can knock the V20 on is the video stabilization. There needs to be settings somewhere so I can turn the OIS and EIS off and on so I know if it is on or off.

Are you using the stock cam app? I don't see anything where I can change the zoom type.

anth75 said:
Are you using the stock cam app? I don't see anything where I can change the zoom type.
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Yup, stock camera app. There is no setting for changing the zoom type. If you aren't clicking the one tree/three tree buttons, then you are going through a digital zoom. Only clicking those two buttons uses purely "optical zoom" although in reality, you're just completely switching cameras. (Different sensors and different lenses which presents its own issues since the wider view uses a smaller sensor and smaller aperture while the main shooter uses a "larger" sensor and larger aperture.)
Using pinch to zoom or the zoom slider means you're going through digital zoom. So if you start at the widest setting with the wide view and start zooming, the image quality is only going to get worse until you pop over into the main imaging group. Then if you continue to zoom, the image quality will degrade again. The best quality you're ever going to get out of any single focal length imaging assembly (which is what we're technically dealing with here, two single focal length imaging assemblies) is at its native focal magnification and at its base ISO. Which the photo options says is 50 but that's not always necessarily true, I'd have to look up the native sensor ISO online to be sure.

Did an unprocessed and processed test with my v20. By far the best dynamic range of any phone camera I've worked with.
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CHH2 said:
What other settings did you use? (ISO, Shutter Speed, Bit Rate, Filters?)
I will say that it looks like you're using the digital zoom, which is always problem #1. Never use digital zoom unless you have to do so. Whoever came up with this gimmick should be dragged out into the street and hung. It just doesn't get you anything but a mess. Optical zoom is optimal. Bipedal zoom is your secondary option. Digital zoom just shouldn't be an option. It is quite literally the option you choose when you want to have some sort of shot, any shot, and you don't care about the quality of the shot. This goes for any device from a cellphone up to a DSLR.
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The only positive thing I found about the digital zoom on the v20 which is unique in my experience is that when you're shooting 1080p on other phones, even though it's a 4k sensor it zooms up on the post sampled 1080p frame instead of taking advantage of the 4k sensor and zooming up without any quality loss. The V20 appears to do just that and up to a point there's no fidelity loss with the digital zoom because you're sampling a smaller section of the sensor..

vargala81 said:
And you removed protector of the camera lens?
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Don't remove that. It helps protect the glass from scratches and shatter.

anth75 said:
This is a pic zoomed in half way. Looks awful. I bought this phone because the camera was supposed to be unreal. Is this normal or just maybe I have a bad cam?
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Did you gain any insight to help fix your grainy pic issues? I'm having the same problem. I keep seeing people suggest to remove the plastic protector but it has cutouts for the lenses and the sensors so I don't see how that makes a difference. I'm taking pictures without any zooming but when I take a look at the results and zoom in to different parts to review, it looks horrible and grainy.

arn82 said:
Did you gain any insight to help fix your grainy pic issues? I'm having the same problem. I keep seeing people suggest to remove the plastic protector but it has cutouts for the lenses and the sensors so I don't see how that makes a difference. I'm taking pictures without any zooming but when I take a look at the results and zoom in to different parts to review, it looks horrible and grainy.
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What is your photo size set at? 16mp or 12mp?

arn82 said:
Did you gain any insight to help fix your grainy pic issues? I'm having the same problem. I keep seeing people suggest to remove the plastic protector but it has cutouts for the lenses and the sensors so I don't see how that makes a difference. I'm taking pictures without any zooming but when I take a look at the results and zoom in to different parts to review, it looks horrible and grainy.
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I haven't. I wouldnt take the plastic off. As you said, it has cutouts for the lens. Not impressed at all with the camera

I'm amazed at your low light video. I also thought the camera was the weak point of the phone. Guess I need to work on my manual focus skills.
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Ohoto Aspect Ratio 18:9 is Just a Crop?

Just got my G6 and was looking at the camera settings and noticed the 18:9 default aspect ratio of photos was an 8.7MP photo and 4:3 is 13MP. Well we know the sensor is 13MP, so obviously anything wider than 4:3 is just a crop. So correct me if I'm wrong but choosing a wider photo ratio in settting isn't going to give you a wider field of view, all it's going to do is crop out the top and bottom of actual photo the sensor is registering which you could easily do in a photo editor. But you can't put the top and bottom back in, if you set the aspect ratio wider than 4:3.
So what is the idiotic thinking behind defaulting the camera to 18:9? I'm guessing the average user might be upset that the photo is not taking up the entire screen on their phone. It's odd that these days there's all these tests, reviews and debates about what smartphone has the best camera, and then you have the manufacturing setting the default camera settings to crop out the top and bottom of your photo.

Yep, AFAIK, all camera sensors are round, while all pictures we got are in square shape. So, such wide pictures as 18:9, 16:9 are all cropped.
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ted presley said:
Yep, AFAIK, all camera sensors are round, while all pictures we got are in square shape. So, such wide pictures as 18:9, 16:9 are all cropped.
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Camera sensors are not round, they are rectangular. The sensors native aspect ratio is what determines which aspect ratios are cropped.

uh60james said:
Camera sensors are not round, they are rectangular. The sensors native aspect ratio is what determines which aspect ratios are cropped.
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I'm sorry, I have explain what I mean in the wrong way.
As we know digital camera*takes light and focuses it via the len (which is round) onto a sensor, and yes, the image produces by the round len is round.
And when that round image projected on the rectangular sensor, we got the rectangular picture. Using a nearly square will get most of round image made by the len.
A more wide ratio picture (18:9 for example) with the same quality as 4:3 need 2 things: a bigger len (to have a bigger round image), a bigger sensor to crop the wide section => both increase the cost and most important need a bigger camera part.
Hope I have make my opinion​ clearer. Sorry for confusion I made.
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I don't remember exactly but didn't the camera say something about this when you first started it? Or when you headed into the camera settings for the first time?
I seem to recall being reminded that using 4:3 would use the full sensor at least so that would help people who aren't in the know.

Obscure Reference said:
I don't remember exactly but didn't the camera say something about this when you first started it? Or when you headed into the camera settings for the first time?
I seem to recall being reminded that using 4:3 would use the full sensor at least so that would help people who aren't in the know.
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I didn't pay attention at that time, but the default setting of my Korean version is 18:9.

Obscure Reference said:
I don't remember exactly but didn't the camera say something about this when you first started it? Or when you headed into the camera settings for the first time?
I seem to recall being reminded that using 4:3 would use the full sensor at least so that would help people who aren't in the know.
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Yes it mentioned that so I changed to 4:3 immediately
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ted presley said:
I'm sorry, I have explain what I mean in the wrong way.
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Hope I have make my opinion​ clearer. Sorry for confusion I made.
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What a great guy :good:

Why is my front camera zoomed in when recording a video?

Dear people from XDA,
My front facing camera records video's heavily zoomed in. Like my face fills the whole screen. This is while using the default camera app.
I do not have this problem when taking a picture with my front facing camera.
I have seen problems with snapchat and instagram, but I also have it with the default camera.
OnePlus support says i gotta clear cache, but that doesnt work. Now they tell me to do a factory reset.
I got the latest software update for the Oneplus 6T.
Any of you have this problem?
Edit: i cant post links so you can paste this screenshot in your browser with https:// in front of it. nl.tinypic.com/r/av0enk/9

Its probably to do with image stabilisation, it crops out the edges as that gives room to adjust for shaking. I could be wrong, but thats something I did for a dummy project before, I think its a pretty common practice thing

TheBishopOfSoho said:
Its probably to do with image stabilisation, it crops out the edges as that gives room to adjust for shaking. I could be wrong, but thats something I did for a dummy project before, I think its a pretty common practice thing
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This is the case when taking a picture, but not when recording. It doesnt work.

tsinnic said:
This is the case when taking a picture, but not when recording. It doesnt work.
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Like he said.. When it's in video mode, it appears to be zoomed in because it's cropping the edges as part of the electronic stabilization.*
I'm not a hundred percent certain on that being the explanation but I am pretty confident. That's just the way it works and I just open the app to be sure and there is no way to turn off this stabilization

I don't think it's as much about image stabilization as just aspect ratio. If you go into the selfie picture camera and change the aspect ratio from 4:3 to full screen, the image will be similarly zoomed in. As I understand it, the camera sensors are 4:3. To get 16:9 or 13:6 full screen images, it just basically crops the 4:3 image and stretches or zooms it to fit the desired size. Just like when you take an older 4:3 SD tv show and zoom to fill a widescreen tv.
I'm just speculating though, so I may be off base, but it makes sense. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

It is the electronic image stabilization. It crops the recorded area to leave room for the frame to move around, so that it can compensate for movement.

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It is the electronic image stabilization. It crops the recorded area to leave room for the frame to move around, so that it can compensate for movement.
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Interesting. Thanks for clarifying.