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Samsung Galaxy S3 Vs Nikon D5000 DSLR

Samsung Galaxy S3 Vs Nikon D5000 DSLR
Why?
I have a week off this week and while my fiancee is working, I thought I wpould charge my camera battery and have a practice. I am a really amateur photographer. By that I mean I own a nice DSLR (Upper Entry-level) and a couple of lenses but I've never really taken much time to get used to it. Today was a great oppurtunity.
Whilst I started taking snaps, i thought "Wouldn't it be cool if..." and here we are.
Disclaimer - Scientific conditions.
Mode:
Whilst I am only an amateur, I am familiar with my camera and its modes. Although I usually shoot in manual mode, adjusting the aperture and shutter speed as I see fit, for a reasonable degree of accuracy, I decided to use Auto mode. This is also what I used on the SGS 3.
Where as I tried to maintain Automode, I did slip into landscape mode a couple of times on the DSLR. Unfortunately I do not recollect which images were taken in each mode. It was mostly Auto though.
Zoom:
I stuck to my 18-55mm lens on the Nikon and used digital zoom on the SGS3. Although these can never be compared, as this is more a "look what the SGS3 can do" thing, I didn't think that should matter.
MegaPixels:
I set both top their top resolution. The DSLR is 12MP so obviously the detail is better when shown on a huge billboard. On a screen which is smaller than that, it shouldn't be noticable. remember, a HD display (1920x1080) is less than 2.1MP
Galaxy Resolution - 3264×2448 pixels
D5000 Resolution - 4310×2868 pixels
Image format:
The SGS3 takes images in .JPG format by standard. The DSLR took them in .NEF (Nikon RAW) and was converted afterwards. Converting RAW to .JPG on a computer (I used UFraw command line tool on Linux) gives a little bit better quality than letting the camera save as .JPG directly
Conclusions
Obviously this test was just for fun and was never intended to show that the SGS3 would be better than an upper entry level DSLR which even now, 3 years after release, can cost upwards of £500 GBP with a basic 18-55MM lens. Well guess what?! It's not better than the DSLR but hey, we never expected it to be.
What you can tell from the images is that where some of the DSLR images were a bit dark in auto mode, the SGS3 had some nice and bright shots. You can clearly see the difference in quality on some shots, but in others, not so much. I was very surprised at how well the SGS3 took pictures and how nice some of them did look, even compared to the superior DSLR, some of the pcitures the SGS3 took looked nicer, if not better.
Slightly related, but the experience of previewing the image taken was MUCH more enjoyable on the SGS3 with its bright and vibrant screen. You can instantly tell if the image will come out blurry or not, which with the DSLR was really tricky. You cna onyl really check if the photo is framed as you expected.
All in all, the SGS3 is a fantastic little camera. It may not be able to keep up with the big boys but it was never intended to. I would never be disappointed whipping it out of my pocket to capture an "of the moment" photograph. I am very impressed.
Further diclaimer
As mentioned, I am not a photographer. I am sure there are others out there who can do much better than I did with both devices. Remember this is just for fun.
I haven't scientifically analysed the outputs of both devices and used any software or anythign like that. If anyone is into that, please feel free to post results here. I would definitely be interested. All I have done, is used my eyes.
The Images
Each photo tells you if its SGS3 or Nikon from the properties but essentially, the first image is always the SGS3, the second is always the D5000
https://picasaweb.google.com/101616642112510848507/SamsungGalaxyS3VsNikonD5000DSLR
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Have you try another phone like nexus 4 or htc one x?
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glossywhite said:
Was this a joke post? lol.
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?? I think its a good post showing off the gs3 camera well done op
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glossywhite said:
Was this a joke post? lol.
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You didn't have to quote the entire first post! Geez!!!!
I think it's good. I'd love to see comparison results!

I think it's a Inovative idea to Compare s3 and slr but really a daft comparison
The whole point of an slr is control, and whether Full frame or cropped and the list goes on. Quality of sensor.
As much as the s3 has a reasonable lens it is no comparison to a good slr or even a simple slr.
I've been am-tog for over 25yrs from good old 110 days, 35mm film, med format and digital.
S3 auto exp
Canon 50D 10mm-22mm lens and 580ex flash.... Full manual
Taken in almost complete darkness with strobe and coloured lighting.
There's absolutely no way a camera phone could produce this.
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It is a daft comparison. The real aim was to show by removing the element of control, given that the lens and sensor are not of the same quality, the s3 really isn't that bad at all.
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rootSU said:
It is a daft comparison. The real aim was to show by removing the element of control, given that the lens and sensor are not of the same quality, the s3 really isn't that bad at all.
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In the street almost all photo good - camera it is or Nokia 1100
Try make photo INside, at home - and you WILL see REALLLL difference

Xperia z1 camera-sony what is this?

Xperia Z1 CAMERA!!!!
Better image quality with 3MP than 8MP
Today I was playing with the camera on the Z1, but most of the attention I spoke to the resolution
3MP VS 8MP
On pictures with 3MP noticed the following:
less noise!
less artifacts!
much sharper images, especially in weak lighting conditions!
TEST (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) DAYLIGHTS
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pixel bining from 20MP, read it up.

Probably because 3mp captures less detail, so you see less artifacting/noise

Sure. On your screen.
Print it as wallpaper and miss the pixeles...
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The calculation is simply. The size of the sensor can acquire a certain quantity of light then if you use 8mpx or even 20mpx, for the sensor is too much so he have to recover the definition with huge processing and in this case you will see on the pictures all this kind of artifacts and noise, but when you use 3mpx the sensor is even much more and then you see amazing quality colors and nice pictures but just when you zoom a bit into the picture you will see the distortion because of less pixel density. That 20mpx or 8mpx is just to much for the sensor of Z1.

eclyptos said:
The calculation is simply. The size of the sensor can acquire a certain quantity of light then if you use 8mpx or even 20mpx, for the sensor is too much so he have to recover the definition with huge processing and in this case you will see on the pictures all this kind of artifacts and noise, but when you use 3mpx the sensor is even much more and then you see amazing quality colors and nice pictures but just when you zoom a bit into the picture you will see the distortion because of less pixel density. That 20mpx or 8mpx is just to much for the sensor of Z1.
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Yes the quality of picture will be lost with 3mp when ZOOM IN but who does zooming these days, most pictures end up on the Internet in regular size not cropped. The z1 has awesome zoom but the zoom still ruins the picture.
@Djuro89 great test mate :thumbup:
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Shan89 said:
Yes the quality of picture will be lost with 3mp when ZOOM IN but who does zooming these days,
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I am a Detective, I have too. lol..haha...

I can even tell 8MP photos are way better than 3MPs. White balance, exposure, focus is better. I use 20MP with manual shots sometimes and it gives great results with right settings.

Step one: sell the crap while u can
Step two: get an lg g2
I did and i am so vey happy that i got rid of the sony and got a much better all around phone

eclyptos said:
I am a Detective, I have too. lol..haha...
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Lol , well i doubt you'll be using Z1 for detective photos , it just takes forever to set up everything manually for a decent photo
jimakos29 said:
Step one: sell the crap while u can
Step two: get an lg g2
I did and i am so vey happy that i got rid of the sony and got a much better all around phone
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Post of the day ! :thumbsup:

Many complaints of camera but at the end of the day most of them add instagram filters etc!

jimakos29 said:
Step one: sell the crap while u can
Step two: get an lg g2
I did and i am so vey happy that i got rid of the sony and got a much better all around phone
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Did you really buy an xperia z1 or are you trolling? I have one and daily I look at it atleast once in admiration. Absolutely the best phone out there.
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Beautyspin said:
Did you really buy an xperia z1 or are you trolling? I have one and daily I look at it once in admiration. Absolutely the best phone or there.
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Well said

Yeaaa, 3mp beat 20mp, buy the K800 and use 3.2mp. hahah
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Welcome to the low-mid end camera / phone marketing BS .
Small sensor + high pixel count = crap
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koziakauzu said:
Welcome to the low-mid end camera / phone marketing BS .
Small sensor + high pixel count = crap
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High pixel count, no small sensor, crap SOFTWARE!
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MixaDJ said:
High pixel count, no small sensor, crap SOFTWARE!
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Agreed!
It's a shame really gs5, one 2, z2 are coming out in just 1/2 months and when that happen z1 will be completely forgotten which IMO is sad since we never got to see the true power of its camera thanks to sony for ****ty software.
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Gitaroo said:
pixel bining from 20MP, read it up.
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+1. More pixel binning. So better pics

jimakos29 said:
Step one: sell the crap while u can
Step two: get an lg g2
I did and i am so vey happy that i got rid of the sony and got a much better all around phone
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Maybe as a quick point and shoot, yeah, the LG G2 might be a little better, but in all around performance, I much prefer my Z1 over my dad's G2.

What small sensor people are referring !! Its 1/2.3" !! Same as all entry to mid level digital cameras
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S3 vs. S5 on 4:3 and 16:9

OK, I did some tests using my old S3 and my new S5. It kind of seems to me that the 4:3 has more info compared to the same aspect ration on the S5. In fact the 16:9 has only a tad bit more info compared to the 4:3 of the S3. Take a look:
Here is a 4:3 image from the S III:
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Here is the 4:3 image from the S5:
Here is the 16:9 image from the S5:
Does not it look like the 4:3 from the S5 is cropped/zoomed in? Cameras 2 years ago used to have a 4:3 sensor and to get a 16:9 image they used to crop the 4:3 image and generate a wide resolution. Did Samsung do the wide sensor and now in order to get a 4:3 image chop off the left and right? Maybe this is well known and I am just discovering it myself. Can someone verify?

What you are referring to as "more info" is usually referred to as coverage, field of view (FOV) or equivalent focal length. It is only one measure of a lens characteristics and by no means an absolute arbiter of quality.
You could buy a $9,000 SLR telephoto lens that by your description would have very little info. Does that make a telephoto lens terrible? Not at all, it's just a characteristic that may or may not suit a particular situation. The S5 has a longer effective focal length and so appears in your vernacular to be cropped or have "less info". I don't see any intrinsic reason why that is bad though.
Samsung galaxy S3 camera has an 8 MP, (4.54 x 3.42 mm CMOS), 3.7 mm, f/2.6 lens. equiv focal length 26 mm
Samsung galaxy S4 camera has an 13 MP, (4.69 x 3.53 mm CMOS), 4.2 mm, f/2.0 lens. equiv focal length 31 mm
Samsung galaxy S5 camera has an 16 MP, (5.08 x 3.81 mm CMOS), 4.8 mm, f/2.2 lens. equiv focal length 35 mm
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Thanks for the clarification. Apologies for not using the right terminology... yes, I meant FoV. So is 35mm focal length better than 26mm; meaning, the higher the number the better? All I know is that the lower the f, the better is low light performance . And by that definition, if S4 is f2.0 then it should perform slightly better than the S5.

No single parameter defines a camera. The S4 may have a better maximum aperture, but be inferior to the S5 in fifteen other aspects. Leading 99.9% of people to conclude that the S5 camera is superior. For that matter a camera with a higher aperture but more sensitive sensor can have superior low light performance despite a higher aperture. It would be hard to find a valid reason why you'd only care about the maximum aperture to the exclusion of all other camera specifications.
Anyone who feels that a camera can be defined by only one number e.g. megapixels or aperture doesn't understand how various specifications impact the use and ultimate performance of a camera. It is never that simplistic. A longer focal length is not intrinsically better or worse than a shorter one. It simply defines the FOV. If you are doing portraits or shooting a distant subject, a longer focal length would be advantageous. And just the opposite if you wanted to shoot a panoramic landscape.
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Galaxy S4 lens are f1/2.2 same as S5...
I personally prefer standard 35mm equivalent over wider lens (like 26mm equivalent) because it provides more natural looking images and the corners doesn't lack of definition (like xperia z/z1/z2 or lumia 1020...) or other aberrations.
IPhone usually has a 35mm focal equivalent lens too, which I think is perfect for a smartphone.

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IPhone usually has a 35mm focal equivalent lens too, which I think is perfect for a smartphone.
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Those are subjective, personal preferences. Your ideal of "natural looking" will not be the same as someone else's. I'd much prefer a phone that had a 50 - 75 mm equivalent focal length, but a ~ 35 mm compromise is more common in phone cameras. Corner definition has little relation to small differences in focal length and your argument there is spurious. It is much more strongly related to aperture, in many cases corners will be sharpest ~ f8.
Different reviews have variously cited both f2 and f2.2 for the S4 lens and the Samsung site doesn't give us any aperture specification. The difference isn't significant though and it hardly matters which is the actual case.
Probably the closest thing to a "normal" focal length is 50 mm equivalent which is considered desirable for general use in conventional SLR cameras because it is the focal length that closely approximates the perspective of the human eye. 35 mm has long been considered a wide angle lens and produces a more distant and reduced magnification image at disparity with the unaided eye.
With the advent of digital zoom, most smartphone designers have compromised on a design that tries to cover a range of focal lengths by using a wide angle lens that people can digitally zoom in to frame (crop) a scene. This tries to be everything to everyone, but sacrifices resolution for convenience. When you "zoom in" this way, a picture is degraded with less resolution and a more apparent grain.have taken to using wide angle focal lengths.
There is no perfect or best focal length. It depends on your usage, subject and personal preferences among other things.
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Camera comparison: Samsung Galaxy S7 VS LG G5 VS Apple iPhone 6s VS Samsung Galaxy S6

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https://hi-tech.mail.ru/news/samsung-galaxy-s7-lg-g5-camera-compare/
http://www.xataka.com/galeria/s7-vs-s6
https://www.flickr.com/photos/angeljimenez/24808467979/in/dateposted/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/angeljimenez/24880494520/in/dateposted/
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/angeljimenez/24809783299/in/dateposted/
http://www.quesabesde.com/noticias/samsung-galaxy-s7-analisis-camara-fotos_14158

Impressive results by the S7! Will have to wait for the final reviews and pro comparisons for final judgement though.

Night and day difference between the s7 and the rest, almost laughable.

s6 seems better! Oo
What is blurry fog on the s7??? Oo

Canard caché said:
s6 seems better! Oo
What is blurry fog on the s7??? Oo
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Pretty sure that's just your cataract acting up, as there is no blurry fog in any of the S7 pictures.

I want full scale photo then we can judge but it seems to be good upgrade over s6

Toss3 said:
Pretty sure that's just your cataract acting up, as there is no blurry fog in any of the S7 pictures.
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huuu no sorry it's what i see in samples => when you see the teddy bear photo or the face (of the girl) photo... there is a blurry filter.
And also, i see a jepg oily threatment. Especially in low light (hello lg g3 effect).

I own a G4 and no one can deny it's one of the best camera phones on the market. Even though i've made some great photos with it, must say that i'm very impressed with the S7 so far. I would say that S7 is probbably the best camera phone at the moment. Only thing that bothers me a bit is the 4:3 ratio... Anyway, we should all wait for some realworld tests between S7, G5, Mi5, Xperia X and others with finalized software...

Deeeestroys the iPhone cam. Stoked to get mine

Impressive

it's ok but idk if that big upgrade over S6, probably is. this photos does not do much justice, you can get amazing photos from the Note 5 in low light SPECIALLY with tripod, what s7 can do with tripod? can't wait to find out.

Kemby13 said:
Only thing that bothers me a bit is the 4:3 ratio...
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I'm pretty sure this is the compromise of the drop to 12mp. Instead of keeping 16mp @ 16:9, they cropped to 4:3 and kept the vertical resolution. I'm just relieved it's not 12mp AND 16:9, I don't think the image would be as good.
According to the camera options on the Samsung S6 Edge Plus, these are the two highest resolutions:
16m (16:9) 5312x2988
12m (4:3) 3984x2988
I have a feeling Samsung just dropped the top option for the S7.

With as good as the G4 camera I have been in love with since I got the phone I am really really excited to get the s7 which gets me back the small size I left in favor of the g4's camera (only changed from my Nexus 5 to the g4 because of the camera).

Prizm4 said:
I'm pretty sure this is the compromise of the drop to 12mp. Instead of keeping 16mp @ 16:9, they cropped to 4:3 and kept the vertical resolution. I'm just relieved it's not 12mp AND 16:9, I don't think the image would be as good.
According to the camera options on the Samsung S6 Edge Plus, these are the two highest resolutions:
16m (16:9) 5312x2988
12m (4:3) 3984x2988
I have a feeling Samsung just dropped the top option for the S7.
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So what resolution are the 16:9 photos on the S7?

ozaghloul said:
So what resolution are the 16:9 photos on the S7?
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9.1 MP

Now that's very disappointing. I prefer to shoot in 16:9 since I only ever view my photos on 16:9 screens (TV, tablet, phone, computer). I'd like to see a comparison of a 16:9 s6 shot vs 16:9 s7 shot.

ozaghloul said:
Now that's very disappointing. I prefer to shoot in 16:9 since I only ever view my photos on 16:9 screens (TV, tablet, phone, computer). I'd like to see a comparison of a 16:9 s6 shot vs 16:9 s7 shot.
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That would be a fair and good idea!

We already have a camera thread. Do we need to open a new one.
Galaxy S7 Camera thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3316316
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Pretty sure that's just your cataract acting up, as there is no blurry fog in any of the S7 pictures.
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I think he is just trolling. Looking at his post history, he is posting a lot of S7 camera bashing posts. I think he has the S6 and is butthurt that the camera is better on the S7 so is trying to disprove that, failing in the process. I wouldn't take him on.

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Dual camera not work properly in this phone :(

I tried in bad light and good light. With HDR, with night settings, nothing changed. Only manual setting allow to choose second lens 20mpx and give better light.
How do I know ?
I made picture on auto mode in described situations. One photo with covered ultrapixel lens by my finger, and second without finger on lens. No differences. Photos looks the same. Maybe software is broken. Now second lens is not used...
Maybe in 6X work better?

Yes, it's the same here.
I saw that the app is not saving the original photo

Same here (both problems). I think we need a SW update for this to be fixed.
I also find it frustrating that I can't set the resolution of the photo.
Also, the front facing camera can do [email protected] using Open Camera, but the stock camera app doesn't allow it.
These things should be submitted via the feedback app, but I don't have a Xiaomi account and don't want to create one.

It's my first Xiaomi and I'm disappointed with the camera, It does not deliver what it promises

Obviously the 2nd camera (20mp) is being used! Nevermind the subject...just a quick shot, but if you look at the info the pic is 20.1 MP which is the secondary camera used for depth and low light. And this was taken in quite a dark room.
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Should not this photo use the 20 megapixel lens?
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20mp only in manual mode.

stopthetime said:
Should not this photo use the 20 megapixel lens?
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Maybe it is being used only when you manualy choose HHT option in stock camera, on three dots in right corner.

videotape74 said:
Obviously the 2nd camera (20mp) is being used! Nevermind the subject...just a quick shot, but if you look at the info the pic is 20.1 MP which is the secondary camera used for depth and low light. And this was taken in quite a dark room.
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Do you remember which camera settings this shot was set to? I mean was it 'photo' and 'hht'? Or maybe the 'manual' with low light lens selected?
I guess we're still trying to figure out how this app is 'suppose' to work, as we don't know if it's doing as it should or not!
But for sure, there are some great capabilities here, I took this indoors (last night), after the sept update, very realistic colors and awesome details.

The 20mp sensor is used for depth and for low light only. Switch to portrait mode and it will use the 20mp sensor because it is measuring and capturing depth. In low light it uses it to measure the pixels then transforms 4 pixels into 1 for a cleaner image. It is then output as a 12mp image.
The pic I took was using portrait mode.

here's the reason.
This will only be available in the future. Maybe Android p?

videotape74 said:
The 20mp sensor is used for depth and for low light only. Switch to portrait mode and it will use the 20mp sensor because it is measuring and capturing depth. In low light it uses it to measure the pixels then transforms 4 pixels into 1 for a cleaner image. It is then output as a 12mp image.
The pic I took was using portrait mode.
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So 20/4 is 12?

Benjamin_L said:
So 20/4 is 12?
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It is not 20/4, it is the pixel count and it's not a division.

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It is not 20/4, it is the pixel count and it's not a division.
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How would you bin then? Each four pixels make up a huge new "pixel". Of course this is a division by four..

I had issue when trying to take photo in landscape orientation and in low light. I tried several times and every time photo was blurry. In portrait orientation (not mode) picture was just fine. My hand was not shaky. It was with august fw. Ill try tonight same scene with September update. Don't know if anyone else noticed this...

Benjamin_L said:
So 20/4 is 12?
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How would you bin then? Each four pixels make up a huge new "pixel". Of course this is a division by four..
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I'm not here for a math debate, I'm simply trying to explain how the cameras work...
"The 20MP module also has 4-to-1 pixel binning to reduce noise levels in low-light shots, with the camera essentially combining information from four pixels into one to create a more detailed image."

videotape74 said:
I'm not here for a math debate, I'm simply trying to explain how the cameras work...
"The 20MP module also has 4-to-1 pixel binning to reduce noise levels in low-light shots, with the camera essentially combining information from four pixels into one to create a more detailed image."
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Yes but the resulting pixel count will be of course 5MP hence 4 to 1..

Benjamin_L said:
Yes but the resulting pixel count will be of course 5MP
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Seriously...just shut up.

videotape74 said:
Seriously...just shut up.
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At least I know what I am talking about. What else should 4 to one mean in your opinion?

Benjamin_L said:
Yes but the resulting pixel count will be of course 5MP hence 4 to 1..
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Benjamin_L said:
At least I know what I am talking about. What else should 4 to one mean in your opinion?
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People like you ruin this community. At least I'm contributing something useful to the conversation in trying to explain the cameras and how they are used. And just so you know, I'm a photographer and downsampling isn't the same as your brilliant theory of 20/4. Have a nice day.

videotape74 said:
People like you ruin this community. At least I'm contributing something useful to the conversation in trying to explain the cameras and how they are used. And just so you know, I'm a photographer and downsampling isn't the same as your brilliant theory of 20/4. Have a nice day.
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Stop being personal. A 4 to 1 pixel binning will result in a 5MP image when starting from 20. How this will be upsampled and combined with the 12MP sensor one is not what I am talking about and obviously is not happening anyway right now. So what's your point if your explanation is obviously wrong?