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Note 3 vs 5s Graphics

I didnt realize how much the note 3 totally blows the doors off the graphics of the 5s. Look at the 3dmark ice storm benchmarks. Is the 5s really that bad compared to the Note 3 snapdragon or am I missing something?
Note 3 vs. 5s
19,661 vs 13,858

1 . Yea the note 3 is a better phone
2. Benchmarks are meaningless as they don't relate to real world use at all.
3. That benchmark test is most likely not optimized to take advantage of the 64 bit processor in the 5s

clninja said:
1 . Yea the note 3 is a better phone
2. Benchmarks are meaningless as they don't relate to real world use at all.
3. That benchmark test is most likely not optimized to take advantage of the 64 bit processor in the 5s
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4. Along with most apps are not optimized to take advantage of the 64 bit processor in the 5s....

And 64bit would have very little relevance in those tests anyways. Main advantage of 64bit is basically allowing more RAM....

Ya, I've heard the real world argument a lot. Optimization can only make up for so much though and it's helpful to at least get an idea of performance with a benchmark test. I remember when the 4s was out the gpu was much faster than what was available to us at the time. Nice to see it reversed now.

MatAuc12 said:
And 64bit would have very little relevance in those tests anyways. Main advantage of 64bit is basically allowing more RAM....
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Just as important, twice as many bits per clock cycle... probably more important...

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...rking-adjustments-inflate-scores-by-up-to-20/
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MatAuc12 said:
And 64bit would have very little relevance in those tests anyways. Main advantage of 64bit is basically allowing more RAM....
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and Apple choose to give the 5s 1GB RAM :laugh:

I laughed so hard at the Note 3/iPhone 5s in this video:
http://youtu.be/S1aLqMJPQC4
It truly helped me realize the silliness of doubting choosing the Note 3 over getting the 5s
I'm just hoping that today's Android will treat me better the olden days of Gingerbread on my HTC Evo.

nimitch said:
I laughed so hard at the Note 3/iPhone 5s in this video:
http://youtu.be/S1aLqMJPQC4
It truly helped me realize the silliness of doubting choosing the Note 3 over getting the 5s
I'm just hoping that today's Android will treat me better the olden days of Gingerbread on my HTC Evo.
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That was painful yet enjoyable to watch.

Exynos vs Snapdragon benchmarks

A thread where all benchmarks are posted. Especially when comparing exynos vs SD 820
http://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s7_and_s7_edge_benchmarked_the_exynos_flavor-news-16794.php
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Seems way of if you ask me.. should kill the z5... There is deff something wrong here!

johanbiff said:
Seems way of if you ask me.. should kill the z5... There is deff something wrong here!
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Z5 is rendering in 1080p so there's no surprise it comes ahead in onscreen benchmarks. The mali-gpu is also not the strongest. Pretty sure the 820 will perform better.
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http://www.phonearena.com/news/LG-G5-shakes-hands-with-Snapdragon-820-to-shatter-AnTuTu-records-benchmark-test-scores_id78636
LG G5 seems to be scoring almost 20k higher than the exynos 8890-equipped S7. S820 looks to be the better SoC by far at this point.

https://youtu.be/qMJ2x6POZak
128k there.i guess its the exynos
Anyway not enough to surpass the iphone
http://www.antutu.com/en/view.shtml?id=8184

s3ns3lol said:
https://youtu.be/qMJ2x6POZak
128k there.i guess its the exynos
Anyway not enough to surpass the iphone
http://www.antutu.com/en/view.shtml?id=8184
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Seriously ? Do you even know how ios and android operate ?
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To sum things up: the Snapdragon 820 sports a better GPU, the Exynos 8890 sports a better CPU and a better DAC (Qualcomm DACs just haven't got the best of reputations, while the Exynos usually sport a decent Wolfson DAC), Qualcomm SOCs however usually sport a better baseband/radio than the competition.
I would say, in daily usages, the performances should be negligible, the real impact between both should be battery life related, an early preview done on the Exynos 8890 version claims a 12hrs battery life at maximum brightness on the S7 (not the S7 Edge), I guess we will see how it goes when more reviews come in.

mathieulh said:
To sum things up: the Snapdragon 820 sports a better GPU, the Exynos 8890 sports a better CPU and a better DAC (Qualcomm DACs just haven't got the best of reputations, while the Exynos usually sport a decent Wolfson DAC), Qualcomm SOCs however usually sport a better baseband/radio than the competition.
I would say, in daily usages, the performances should be negligible, the real impact between both should be battery life related, an early preview done on the Exynos 8890 version claims a 12hrs battery life at maximum brightness on the S7 (not the S7 Edge), I guess we will see how it goes when more reviews come in.
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No Wolfson this time. It seems Samsung is using an in-house DAC.
http://www.sammobile.com/2016/02/22...ony-imx260-camera-sensor-in-house-audio-chip/
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skivnit said:
Seriously ? Do you even know how ios and android operate ?
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Yes.And its irrelevant.that test is cross platform

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Yes.And its irrelevant.that test is cross platform
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No you dont get it. Android uses multi cores to the fullest thats why multi core performance is the thing to look at, i suggest u read a piece on the subject on Anandtech
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another benchmark between sd 820 and 8890:
www.anandtech.com/show/10075/early-exynos-8890-impressions
i hope the 4 core difference between the two doesn't mean worse performance on the sd 820 variant. Also if you in the EU you will -apparently- be getting the exynos variant :crying:
i also read somewhere that said that the sd 820 had 2x custom (kyro) a-72 cores and 2x custom (kyro) a-53 cores and not 4x cutom (kyro) a-72 cores, hope its not true.

s3ns3lol said:
Yes.And its irrelevant.that test is cross platform
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Quoted from the comments of the article at AnandTech linked above:
It seems perfectly competitive in the graphics benchmarks, and comparing JavaScript benchmarks across different hardware, OS, and browser configurations is useless. To say Apple's Safari team "aggressively optimizes" for Octane and Kraken would be an understatement. Plus we're talking about simple benchmarks that can barely make any use of a second processor core, so of course they make the A9's dual-core CPU design look good next to more parallel competitors. Run something like Geekbench MT or the 3DMark physics test and watch A9 lose out to even Exynos 7420 or SD 810.
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overlordofdoom1 said:
another benchmark between sd 820 and 8890:
www.anandtech.com/show/10075/early-exynos-8890-impressions
i hope the 4 core difference between the two doesn't mean worse performance on the sd 820 variant. Also if you in the EU you will -apparently- be getting the exynos variant :crying:
i also read somewhere that said that the sd 820 had 2x custom (kyro) a-72 cores and 2x custom (kyro) a-53 cores and not 4x cutom (kyro) a-72 cores, hope its not true.
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The s820 has two custom cores and two lower-clocked A53s. It really won't matter that it has two fewer larger cores, as more cores leads to more heat, and more heat to more throttling. Only in benchmarks will it be noticeable.

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The s820 has two custom cores and two lower-clocked A53s.
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Where did you find that the 2 lower clocked are indeed A53s? What I have read, SD820 has 2 high clocked 2.15GHz and 2 low clocked 1.59GHz "Kryo cores"? So those 2 downclocked Kryo cores should be A72 like power not A53?

SAVVAS. said:
Where did you find that the 2 lower clocked are indeed A53s? What I have read, SD820 has 2 high clocked 2.15GHz and 2 low clocked 1.59GHz "Kryo cores"? So those 2 downclocked Kryo cores should be A72 like power not A53?
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Hmm not sure, but pretty sure they aren't the same cores as the faster ones, as that way they could just have clocked them higher, and have them downclock instead of having them at 1.59Ghz all the time.

GFX Bench battery and throttling test of exynos variant. From 2800 frames to 1400 in 10 minutes of load. http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=707315&view=findpost&p=47363269
If some1 find snapdragon s7 results, please post it here.

TANKRED_ENDURES said:
GFX Bench battery and throttling test of exynos variant. From 2800 frames to 1400 in 10 minutes of load. http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=707315&view=findpost&p=47363269
If some1 find snapdragon s7 results, please post it here.
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Ouch i think for sd820 we have to wait a bit since its us and China only
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TANKRED_ENDURES said:
GFX Bench battery and throttling test of exynos variant. From 2800 frames to 1400 in 10 minutes of load. http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=707315&view=findpost&p=47363269
If some1 find snapdragon s7 results, please post it here.
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Says the test ran for 220 minutes. EDIT: Okey that was the results of the battery-test. But still where did you get 10 minutes from? If you look at the graphs you can clearly see that it dips only once to 1400 and that was at about the 1200 second mark (20 minutes).

http://www.talkandroid.com/286767-vivo-xplay-5-gets-benchmarked-on-antutu/#more-286767
Vivo Xplay 5 scored around 160k on Antutu and that is with the Snapdragon 820. Think Samsung should have stuck with Qualcomm for all regions this time around. Wish we could get the sd-version here in Europe as well.

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http://www.talkandroid.com/286767-vivo-xplay-5-gets-benchmarked-on-antutu/#more-286767
Vivo Xplay 5 scored around 160k on Antutu and that is with the Snapdragon 820. Think Samsung should have stuck with Qualcomm for all regions this time around. Wish we could get the sd-version here in Europe as well.
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Its probably fake as most of the score comes from GPU which is impossible and then theres 1080p vs qhd screen question
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Throttling looks much better compared to 7420.
They have made GPU wider and lower frequency, also better manufacturin process. Bound to get better compared to 7420.
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Its probably fake as most of the score comes from GPU which is impossible and then theres 1080p vs qhd screen question
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Yes, in latest version of Antutu it gives more priority to onscreen numbers and single core performance. That's why iPhones are at top of chain in Antutu

Huawei Mate 8 vs Samsung Galaxy s7 vs Htc 10 vs Meizu Pro 6 in games

http://www.frandroid.com/guide-dach...elio-x25-snapdragon-820-kirin-950-exynos-8890
Winner: The mate 8
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now thats funny, even though the mate 8 has a comparably "weak" gpu. its probably because its energy efficient and doesnt throttle at all in long term like all the other socs
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jbmc83 said:
now thats funny, even though the mate 8 has a comparably "weak" gpu. its probably because its energy efficient and doesnt throttle at all in long term like all the other socs
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Plus lower resolution (except for the Pro 6) plus I only see one game tested?
All in all: pretty poor article but possibly nice for the Mate8 fans around here

Pfeffernuss said:
Plus lower resolution (except for the Pro 6) plus I only see one game tested?
All in all: pretty poor article but possibly nice for the Mate8 fans around here
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Mate 8 beats in games, not throttling ... This is The good new
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kevin_23 said:
Mate 8 beats in games, not throttling ... This is The good new
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Mate 8 is best in all games? Wow. Amazing phone! :good:

lol
its funny though, they do mention two games in the article text, but only show the results of one

jbmc83 said:
lol
its funny though, they do mention two games in the article text, but only show the results of one
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Look carefully at the table. It showed the result of both games, and Mate 8 came out on top in both games.
The result comes down to Mate 8 being a larger metal phone. It handles the heat better and therefore doesn't throttle as much. The Kirin 955 on smaller phones such as the P9 and Honor 8 doesn't have same level of gaming performance.
The results are not surprising. I've always been telling people they can't judge a phone's gaming performance just by looking at the specs of the SoC or by the Antutu/3Dmark scores. High end phones nowadays are often limited by thermal capacity, rather than by the number of GPU cores or clock speed. Benchmarks won't reveal that because it only stress the CPU OR GPU and only for a short period. In actual gaming both the CPU AND GPU are stressed for a much longer period of time, therefore sustained performance is determined largely by thermal capacity and throttling strategy. Too bad some people still believe they'll get 3x the gaming performance by going Exynos 8890 instead of Kirin 950.

just buy it

I realy must say that i was surprised by this phone.
I got i cheap but i was amazed by the speed and the great camera.
My work phone is an galaxy s7, and i realy think this one gives better images, maybe not in verry low light but in those cases the s7 has alot of noise.
The phone is slippery as hell so buy a case asp ;l
I have had about of phones, iPhone, sony, nexus Samsung... But fore me this is the best one yet.
Tho i hate not having a app drawer, but i use nova launcher anyways..
Cheers

It's worth buying indeed

Its a awsome device

its okay nothing stellar

jkccl9 said:
its okay nothing stellar
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You're right, but looking at it's price, it is worth it

CronaMell said:
You're right, but looking at it's price, it is worth it
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I agree for the price and the specs. The Honor 8 is a steal!

DarkGuyver said:
I agree for the price and the specs. The Honor 8 is a steal!
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And tbh, oneplus 3 is better at price/value because of 3rd party support (skins, ROMs, cases...)

CronaMell said:
And tbh, oneplus 3 is better at price/value because of 3rd party support (skins, ROMs, cases...)
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Yeah, but the OnePlus 3 runs on a SnapDragon 820 SOC. I've noticed that even before the whole SnapDragon 810 overheating problem, that Snapdragon SOCs had a bad habit of overheating pretty easily. So I tend to avoid them when I can.

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And tbh, oneplus 3 is better at price/value because of 3rd party support (skins, ROMs, cases...)
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But the oneplus 3 is a bit bigger. If I bought the honor8, it's mainly for his size (not too big, can fit in my pocket), and his price, and specs, and camera...
The oneplus seems to be a really good deal too, but it's a bit bigger, and a bit more expensive...

supamike said:
But the oneplus 3 is a bit bigger. If I bought the honor8, it's mainly for his size (not too big, can fit in my pocket), and his price, and specs, and camera...
The oneplus seems to be a really good deal too, but it's a bit bigger, and a bit more expensive...
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Yes the 1+3 is bigger, but it's the same price as tge honor 8, the 3t is the more expensive
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Yeah, but the OnePlus 3 runs on a SnapDragon 820 SOC. I've noticed that even before the whole SnapDragon 810 overheating problem, that Snapdragon SOCs had a bad habit of overheating pretty easily. So I tend to avoid them when I can.
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The 820 don't any overheating issues like the 810 did, and I prefer the oneplus 3 over honor 8 only when it comes to ROM support

CronaMell said:
The 820 don't any overheating issues like the 810 did, and I prefer the oneplus 3 over honor 8 only when it comes to ROM support
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While the SD820 doesn't suffer from the serious overheating issue of the SD810. It still overheats pretty easily, especially if you are gaming.

DarkGuyver said:
While the SD820 doesn't suffer from the serious overheating issue of the SD810. It still overheats pretty easily, especially if you are gaming.
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Yup, but not that hot when you can hold it like sd810 devices did

CronaMell said:
Yup, but not that hot when you can hold it like sd810 devices did
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Depends on what your device is made off? If it has a glass and metal construction, then it will get uncomfortably hot!

DarkGuyver said:
Depends on what your device is made off? If it has a glass and metal construction, then it will get uncomfortably hot!
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The s7 have SD820 and it doesn't get hot (as my friend told me), but if the software isn't optimized well it can get uncomfortably hot

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While the SD820 doesn't suffer from the serious overheating issue of the SD810. It still overheats pretty easily, especially if you are gaming.
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Speaking of gaming. While Honor 8's SoC has very good CPU performance for common tasks, according to anandtech benchmarks, the GPU performance, which is used in gaming, trails the competition. For example, the SoC has only four GPU cores, while the Exynos version of Galaxy S7 has 12 similar GPU cores. Having said, the Honor 8 is still a very good value.

CronaMell said:
The s7 have SD820 and it doesn't get hot (as my friend told me), but if the software isn't optimized well it can get uncomfortably hot
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It depends on how the person uses their mobile devices. If they don't use it for allot of high intensive tasks, like 3D intensive gaming or recording 4K videos. Then it won't get uncomfortably hot. But I have heard complaints from SGS7 SD820 variant users, saying that it does get uncomfortably hot when used.
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Speaking of gaming. While Honor 8's SoC has very good CPU performance for common tasks, according to anandtech benchmarks, the GPU performance, which is used in gaming, trails the competition. For example, the SoC has only four GPU cores, while the Exynos version of Galaxy S7 has 12 similar GPU cores. Having said, the Honor 8 is still a very good value.
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That is to be expected as you have already stated the Honor 8's GPU has less GPU cores than that of the Exynos variant of the SGS7. However in real time usage, you won't notice the performance difference between the Honor 8 and the Exynos variant of the SGS7.

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Speaking of gaming. While Honor 8's SoC has very good CPU performance for common tasks, according to anandtech benchmarks, the GPU performance, which is used in gaming, trails the competition. For example, the SoC has only four GPU cores, while the Exynos version of Galaxy S7 has 12 similar GPU cores. Having said, the Honor 8 is still a very good value.
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The Gpu on honor 8 is unfortunately weak, even last gen snapdragon SoC have better GPUs

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The Gpu on honor 8 is unfortunately weak, even last gen snapdragon SoC have better GPUs
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this is the only reason I'm skeptical of buying Honor 8 atm.. I game a lot and I need a future-proof gpu for at least 2 years.. and after watching Real racing 3 gaming footage I can see the weakness of this Mali gpu..

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The Gpu on honor 8 is unfortunately weak, even last gen snapdragon SoC have better GPUs
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That is to be expected as the Mali-T880 MP4 GPU used in the Honor 8 only has 4 cores, while other devices have more GPU cores than the Honor 8. Despite that the Honor 8 does handle gaming pretty well.

I'm ok with the GPU's performance now
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this is the only reason I'm skeptical of buying Honor 8 atm.. I game a lot and I need a future-proof gpu for at least 2 years.. and after watching Real racing 3 gaming footage I can see the weakness of this Mali gpu..
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It can handle this gen games, but I doubt it will with next gen games

Galaxy S20 Ultra isn't as FAST as YOU think IT IS!!!

Hmmmm what a difference! This is very bad performance for a 1400 dolar phone. And what's your score on the Galaxy S20 Ultra?
https://youtu.be/LfZUNL5hyVw

Scores on these things are useless, not worth watching the video
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Definitely don't waste your time on watching such a useless video with cheesy "royalty free" muzak.
My S20 Ultra feels as smooth as my iPad Pro 2018. Which is saying a LOT!

AVB0010 said:
Hmmmm what a difference! This is very bad performance for a 1400 dolar phone. And what's your score on the Galaxy S20 Ultra?
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Simply put you are comparing apple to oranges. The Huwaei phone does not have any Google services so not all things can be considered equal here.
Until the Huweai is a real Android phone with Google services than this comparison is null and void.
EDIT: Also, Huweai has been caught doing unscrupulous things before. So gaming the benchmark system would not at all surprise me.

S20 ultra results doesn't make sense to me. You can download an app called androbench to test the storage speed. This is my score from Exynos S20U 5G

I don't put much stock in Benchmarks (particularly Antutu) it really doesn't give you anything - the best way to test a phone is using the phone and feeling how it works - how fast it is - how smooth - etc....
having said that, for grins and giggles I ran Antutu on my S20Ultra and the results were totally different from the video - so, take that video with a grain of salt....on any Benchmark Test - YMMV...

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I don't put much stock in Benchmarks (particularly Antutu) it really doesn't give you anything - the best way to test a phone is using the phone and feeling how it works - how fast it is - how smooth - etc....
having said that, for grins and giggles I ran Antutu on my S20Ultra and the results were totally different from the video - so, take that video with a grain of salt....on any Benchmark Test - YMMV...
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Snapdragon version right?

Aezhyr said:
Snapdragon version right?
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Yes.

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Yes.
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The max i got on my exynos was 527k.
Huge difference to your score. I know benchmarks aren't everything but still...
Does the Snapdragon version heat up? Even just opening the camera for a while I start feeling the phone just a bit warm next to the camera (the processor location)
Was wondering if the SD has the same issue.
I'm considering returning the exynos and import the SD version from Korea or Hong Kong

Snapdragon here, cold as ice.

Aezhyr said:
The max i got on my exynos was 527k.
Huge difference to your score. I know benchmarks aren't everything but still...
Does the Snapdragon version heat up? Even just opening the camera for a while I start feeling the phone just a bit warm next to the camera (the processor location)
Was wondering if the SD has the same issue.
I'm considering returning the exynos and import the SD version from Korea or Hong Kong
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Just do a search on Samsung Community Forums or on Google and you will find the Exynos s20s run hot! This being just from basic tasks. Samsung really blew it this time with their Exynos chipset. Only way they can fix this is by throttling in a future update which would make the Chipset even slower than it is now vs the Snapdragon. The Snapdragons are much cooler and battery life is fantastic.
If you want to compare performance I'll run 3dmark and you do the same on yours. Exynos vs Snapdragon.
Benchmark Results
Slingshot Extreme - OpenGL ES 3.1
Overall score 7367
Graphics score 8400
Physics score 5151
Sling Shot Extreme - Vulkan
Overall score 6709
Grapics score 8249
Physics score 4058
This was with Power mode set to high performance - FHD 2400x1080 - 120hz

Paul_Deemer said:
Just do a search on Samsung Community Forums or on Google and you will find the Exynos s20s run hot! This being just from basic tasks. Samsung really blew it this time with their Exynos chipset. Only way they can fix this is by throttling in a future update which would make the Chipset even slower than it is now vs the Snapdragon. The Snapdragons are much cooler and battery life is fantastic.
If you want to compare performance I'll run 3dmark and you do the same on yours. Exynos vs Snapdragon.
Benchmark Results
Slingshot Extreme - OpenGL ES 3.1
Overall score 7367
Graphics score 8400
Physics score 5151
Sling Shot Extreme - Vulkan
Overall score 6709
Grapics score 8249
Physics score 4058
This was with Power mode set to high performance - FHD 2400x1080 - 120hz
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I did that test the other day with me phone set to high performance as well. The results were pretty disappointing:
Slings Shot Extreme - OpenGL ES 3.1
Overall score 6696
Graphics score 8473
Physics score 3862
Sling Shot Extreme - Vulkan
Overall score 6220
Graphics score 8724
Physics score 3103
The graphics score aren't bad, but the physics ones are downright sh**.

Aezhyr said:
I did that test the other day with me phone set to high performance as well. The results were pretty disappointing:
Slings Shot Extreme - OpenGL ES 3.1
Overall score 6696
Graphics score 8473
Physics score 3862
Sling Shot Extreme - Vulkan
Overall score 6220
Graphics score 8724
Physics score 3103
The graphics score aren't bad, but the physics ones are downright sh**.
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Get the Snapdragon

Aezhyr said:
The max i got on my exynos was 527k.
Huge difference to your score. I know benchmarks aren't everything but still...
Does the Snapdragon version heat up? Even just opening the camera for a while I start feeling the phone just a bit warm next to the camera (the processor location)
Was wondering if the SD has the same issue.
I'm considering returning the exynos and import the SD version from Korea or Hong Kong
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I have never had any heat issues - playing games it might get slightly warm, but that could be because I am holding it close in my hands and my hands are warm, if you know what I mean....I love this phone - it is the beast it was expected to be - original camera issues (focus problems) seem to be better - maybe not perfect but definately better - I am very happy with this phone....hope you can work things out so you are too - good luck.

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I have never had any heat issues - playing games it might get slightly warm, but that could be because I am holding it close in my hands and my hands are warm, if you know what I mean....I love this phone - it is the beast it was expected to be - original camera issues (focus problems) seem to be better - maybe not perfect but definately better - I am very happy with this phone....hope you can work things out so you are too - good luck.
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I'm not saying I'm not happy, but I open the camera for 5 minutes and CPU goes to 65°C +, it's insane. The performance is great, but no "ultra" like the Snapdragon version
I love this phone, but it's like loving a Ferrari with a Fiat Punto engine! The design is amazing, the screen and etc. But I feel like I'm being ripped off by paying 10% more for a phone that's 10% worse.