Database Users

Any Alternate Browsers?

As the subject says are there any alternate browsers available ?
Ive checked Mozilla web site and they dont seem to cater for mobile devices. Opera has a version available for smartphones but not PPC
So has anyone any alternatives to suggest ? I loathe IE, its dead and buried on all my PC's and would love to replace it on my phone.
Unless of course some enterprising soul has found a way of porting Linux on to the phone

RE
Of course, search the net and you can find either Netfront or the upcoming Opera.
But why deplete your precious memory when IE is available? The installation of an alternate browser is good unless you are able to totally remove IE so as to recover the memory.
I'm happy using IE for my browsing.

Well, if you're looking for free browsers, you can try MiniMoCE which is short for Mini Mozilla CE.
Version 0.008 is out here...
http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/dougt/archives/008751.html

Thanx for the tips, will have a play with these

Opera is available for PPC when you install it with the Midi Applet on your PPC, check this thread for info on installing: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=27138&start=50

Thunderhawk might be the best but also most expensive browser for PPCs. It has periodic costs for its use and supports full scaling of internet pages through a proxy.

Opera 8.5 for WM5

This is not the Sharp version that has to be patched with a modified .dll to work, this is the real thing. Unfortunately, only a beta so far, and only a 45 Day Testversion at that, but very nice to look at nontheless, and it natively starts in VGA Mode.
http://www.opera.com/download/mobil... Pocket PC phones running Windows Mobile 5.0.

Thanks Rapax,
Just downloaded it and will soon install.
Thanks once again for sharing this vital information
Kind Regards

After a brief trial:
Page rendering is probably the best (better than PIE and Netfront 3.3)
Does not handle mail attachments in web based e-mail accounts such as Gmail. Both PIE and Netfront 3.3 do support file attachments.
Does not support flash sites though I have Macromedia flash player 6.0 on my Jasjar and PIE uses it. Netfront will take advantage of flash sites once the commercial version is available.
In terms of speed Opera appears to be the fastest compared to PIE and Netfront 3.3
Don't know if there is a way to define a user-agent because in its current form it forces us to mobile versions of web sites. I could not visit my hotmail site and it forces me to the mobile msn site. Likewise for www.handango.com
So all in all I have mixed feelings regarding this browser. Good in some areas but not the best. For my needs Netfront is still the overall winner. (However these are just my views)
Again may be it is only me but after I have used and closed opera (really closed) it prevents Planmaker to start up. I have to reset the Jasjar to be able to use planmaker again.
Regards

Sweet Lord, it's gorgeous. Simply gorgeous.
THIS is the browser that should be included with WM5.0.
EDIT: TAB doesn't work to move between fields...minor point.

Sharp version - new version
What's the difference compared to the Sharp-hacked one?
Do you see any improvement?
I have that, and it's working well.
The major problem I have is in using java applets. Unfortunately it seems a problem only Nefront 3.3 will be able to solve.

Opera looks good on initial usage.
Seems very kind to the RAM, did not see any leakage unlike with PIE

I ve tried it but it doesnt start. I ve installed in sd and ram but doesnt start. Any idea?
No errors. the clock spin 4 times and nothing hapens.....

Is there a way to import my PIE bookmarks?

Has this version fixed the double-space bug when entering stuff into text fields?

I am using it too. I think this browser looks especially nice on these model of phones because of the landscape screen orientation, and VGA.
it seems to work very quickly, as well and I did not have a problem with java applets. in fact I went to my bank site and alot of other sites that used java with no problem. Not sure how they manage to fit everything and resize everything to that small screen but for right now it will be my browser of choice.
It handles new windows very well and like other said doesn't take alot of ram. i do find it runs better when installed on storage memory as oppose to memory card storage.
i am going to continue to test it though. I have not played with netfront 3.3 as much.. but i like opera alot better.so far.
those that have not tried it I highly recommend it.

I didn't like Opera 8.5. Personally, I prefer PIE with Multi IE... can't find any better!

best webbrowser for the wizard?

today at the university I tried out the wlan capabilitys of my device and it was a great experience sitting in the cafeteria and surfing at some news sites with that little fellow when all the others used big laptops occupying all their tablespace :lol:
I used the internet explorer first and then tried out the mozilla minimo browser. IE was "ok" and minimo just sucked with the handling and speed. I also know there's an opera version but I never tried it online. any other good browsers out there? any favs? :wink:

A lot of people seem to agree that Opera 8.6 is a really good browser. It's not free though. You get a 30 day trial, but after that you must pay for it. It's 24USD I beleive.

Try Thunderhawk. http://www.bitstream.com/wireless/

I've been using Thunderhawk ( http://www.bitstream.com/wireless/index.html ) with great success. I absolutely love it. They route all traffic through their servers and software so you end up with the web page designed for your desktop rendered nearly perfectly on your Pocket PC.
The methods they use reduce all graphics to a size managable by our devices without any drop in quality. Pages load extremely fast and I'm just using my T-Mobile internet connection. Between it and IE, just isn't even a contest.
I have not used Opera though, so I can't comment on it. But I highly reccomend trying Thunderhawk.
I don't have the Screenshot program installed on my device, but here are a couple of pics I snapped so that you can see the layout. First is DrudeReport.com and I'm sure you're familiar with the second. :wink:

B**tard! You beat me to it!

but thunderhawk is not free!
I use PIEPlus, which is very nice.

Thanks guys I will check out both, thunderhawk and pieplus. But actually pieplus doesn't seem to be free either.
Let me extend my question at this point
Which cool and usefull internetrelated software do you use on your wizard?

Also give Netfront 3.3 a trial though it is not free.
I am using it and am very satisfied with it. Specially if you surf the web with a fast WiFi connection then sites with flash animations really turn out great. It is the only WM5 browser with flash support.
Regards

Opera 8.6.
I used others but this one allowed me to run java scripts that PIE couldn't.
I can use it on my banking sites and other secured sites that other have had trouble or simply don't work.
It is worth the money. IMO.

thunderhawk vs Opera? Anybody?

Opera Mini 2.0
It's a Java App. and it's free.
Go to mini.opera.com on PIE and download and install.
To me it has the fastest and best performance when compared to native WM browsers. I use it daily... the only time I don't use it is when I want to look at an animated radar image. That is about the only limitation to Opera Mini... no animated images. You can still download files, and save images from it. 8)

To be honest I have stuck with PIE. Opera does format a little better but considering you now have to pay for it I will stick with PIE.

Web Browsers For WIZARD

I Just Flashed a new ROM to my wizard (TNT 19213) and decided to investigate getting a new web browser to replace internet explorer. Does anyone recommend one over another? Also, how do you load them onto your wizard?

You could try Minimo. It's a mobile browser based on Mozilla.
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/
They have an exe install you run from your pc or a cab install you can copy to your phone to install from.

opera mini.

Opera mini, no doubt about it

Access NetFront Browser is free, and works similar to the much lauded SkyFire browser (also awesome, but in a closed beta test cycle that seems to be never-ending). The thing that sets these apart from the remaining browsers is that they are full-feature browsers, that show the internet as it would look on your desktop. In my opinion, Skyfire is superior at rendering sites true to their appearance on desktop browsers. NF browser is a little behind, and has a hard time substituting fonts, for example. There are both advantages and disadvantages to both browsers, as with anything. The main disadvantage to both of these is that you either need a wifi connection, or an unlimited data plan, or you're going to rack up a bill quickly, downloading full web sites.
For mobile browsers, there's Mozilla's Minimo, which is nice, and opera mini, which seems to be favored on this bulletin board site, and Microsoft-backed Zumobi (also in beta testing), all of which have nice features, but won't be the "best" for everyone. Keep in mind they are all mobile browsers, which means things like flash, javascript, and other web 2.0 features might not display properly, or might not work at all. All are much easier on the data plan than the full browsers mentioned above, but that means degraded websites only. Frankly, I just use the IE browser when I'm away from a hot-spot. I'm just more selective about what I surf to...
One last thing I almost forgot: All these browsers are free, but there is a pay-for version of Opera that is supposed to be superior to Mini. Opera Mini also requires the use of the MIDlet Manager or some other Java Emulator, making single-click launching much more complicated than necessary.

tried minimo but also like opera mini best,
you will need some java support for running it on your wizard.
i am using esmertecs.

someone on the developement and hacking made a cab instalation of the new opera mini browser that installs java emulator + opera mini and works best. has a dirrect shortcut in the programs folder and loads web pages extremely quickly over gprs.
I havent tried any of the "betas" floating around. Opera mobile is awesome too, but loads pages slower. works best with wifi.

S.V.I said:
someone on the developement and hacking made a cab instalation of the new opera mini browser that installs java emulator + opera mini and works best. has a dirrect shortcut in the programs folder and loads web pages extremely quickly over gprs.
I havent tried any of the "betas" floating around. Opera mobile is awesome too, but loads pages slower. works best with wifi.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thats exactly what I was looking for because the cab files are much easier to deal with, do you know where I can download this program?

Internet Explorer Mobile 6 - Something worth looking forward to...

Hi,
IE 6 for mobile devices has been anncounced. When will it be available? Can't say for sure, but for more info including screenshots, go here: http://www.theunwired.net/?item=bro...obile-6-aka-6-on-6-is-real-and-shows-its-face
I really like the compatibility option in IE6! Not to mention, it'll include flash.
Looks like with this or skyfire, we won't have any problem with flash sites on Xperia or any other mobile device for that matter...
Best regards.

Thanks for the link! Wish they mention flash and silverlight though.

htcplussony said:
Thanks for the link! Wish they mention flash and silverlight though.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This was what was said by Microsoft when it first announced IE Mobile 6: "The new version of Internet Explorer Mobile adds the ability to easily view full-screen Web pages and multimedia on the Web with a smartphone. By taking advantage of Internet Explorer 6 technologies and supporting established and upcoming industry standards such as H.264, Adobe Flash and Microsoft Silverlight, the updated Internet Explorer Mobile gives people a rich mobile Internet experience."

hard to get excited imho
most people who are into computer
are moving away from all browsers
made by ms as they are less secure and
behind with nicking features from the rest
and a lot slower
i'll take a chome, opera, firefox or even safari on my wm
device before i turn back to PIE

i tried chrome, i moved back to explorer!
chrome is like a lite version of explorer.

I used to think I felt that way, but I find myself more and more turning to PIE when I just want to check Facebook or Engadget. I can browse one handed, and over GPRS it's much faster (not the browser itself, but as the mobile versions of these pages bring down much less data...) and loads up faster as well. I still like Opera for the full web experience but PIE does come in handy...much better on my battery life as well.

Talking of browsers from Microsoft... (not on mobile device) you should definitely check out IE 8 Beta preview... it has improved a lot!
I have Firefox and Chrome installed on my laptop, but mostly use IE.

i perfer PIE too, it loads instantly!
Opera Mobile 9.5 takes 2-3 seconds to load.
i love Opera mobile 9.5 too, i use it for those sites that PIE cant handle.

After having security problems in the past only with IE, i will never use it again except for special microsoft offices updates. Firefox does the work for me better and more safe. Never had problems with firefox since it is out

pf said:
After having security problems in the past only with IE, i will never use it again except for special microsoft offices updates. Firefox does the work for me better and more safe. Never had problems with firefox since it is out
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I kind of went through that same phase... IE had become completely unreliable. But disabling pop-ups pretty much took care of any such problems, not to mention adding a spyware to the machine doesn't hurt either.