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Overclocking the Mali GPU

So guys,waiting for my GS2 to arrive tomorrow and it's time for the hundred bucks question:
Will we be able to overclock the Mali GPU in the GS2 like the SGX540 in the original GS was?Imagine the performance of this thing with an overclocked GPU!
And before you ask,no,its stock power isn't enough for me.As long as I can get more out of it that is.I will probably have it running at 1.5GHz everyday,so I'm not the kind of guy who will "proceed with caution"!
Thanks!All feedback welcome!
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I've got my CPU underclocked to 500 MHz and honestly can't tell the difference between 1.2 GHz and 500 MHz...
I even gave my phone to a colleague who has one too, and he was using it without a thought. He indeed asked me why mine was faster than his... xD
So not a clue if you can OC the GPU, but I've yet to see a single reason to OC this phone.

pulser_g2 said:
I've got my CPU underclocked to 500 MHz and honestly can't tell the difference between 1.2 GHz and 500 MHz...
I even gave my phone to a colleague who has one too, and he was using it without a thought. He indeed asked me why mine was faster than his... xD
So not a clue if you can OC the GPU, but I've yet to see a single reason to OC this phone.
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Well,power corrupts my friend!And with a phone so powerful I can't help it!
Seriously though,it is nice if something like this is possible.See the original GS.The overclock of its GPU puts it against most dual core phones easily and it even bests some of them.Not likely something everyone will need in their everyday lives but you never know what the future holds!Maybe we will rival the Kal-El(Not likely I think but let's hope)!
Happy to see you here by the way pulser.It's really an honour!
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So no one interested?
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pulser_g2 said:
I've got my CPU underclocked to 500 MHz and honestly can't tell the difference between 1.2 GHz and 500 MHz...
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I have almost the same experience here, except I could see a difference between 500 and 800 Mhz, but anything above 800Mhz almost didn't change anything. Which proves that the CPU is not the bottleneck, so we should try to overclock the GPU

BlueScreenJunky said:
I have almost the same experience here, except I could see a difference between 500 and 800 Mhz, but anything above 800Mhz almost didn't change anything. Which proves that the CPU is not the bottleneck, so we should try to overclock the GPU
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ALMOST in my mind.Almost.My CPU for one will be a 1.5GHz one!Or even more!
Well,since pulser gave attention to the thread I am a little confident it might even be followed by some devs at some time(or that someone works on it at least),so I want to ask these two regarding the lack of texture compression formats issue:
1)Does anyone know whether Chainfire intends to make any plugins for Chainfire3D himself?While the available plugins do the job for some games,they don't for some others.So,I think Chainfire is our guy on this!
2)Is the issue hardware or software related?If it is software,what are the odds that Samsung or ARM provide a driver with support for all texture compression formats?I don't think that's likely to happen but,oh well,we can always hope for it!

tolis626 said:
2)Is the issue hardware or software related?If it is software,what are the odds that Samsung or ARM provide a driver with support for all texture compression formats?I don't think that's likely to happen but,oh well,we can always hope for it!
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It's definitely hardware related. Mali doesn't support Nvidia's, PowerVR's or Adreno's proprietary texture compression formats.

I think the gpu get overclocked with the cpu or at least that's how it was on the s1.

FPRobber said:
It's definitely hardware related. Mali doesn't support Nvidia's, PowerVR's or Adreno's proprietary texture compression formats.
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Oh well,my hopes are gone then...
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bcam117 said:
I think the gpu get overclocked with the cpu or at least that's how it was on the s1.
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I think it was seperately overclocked with a special kernel on the GS...I could be wrong but I doubt this as it had made me feel very jealous that it wasn't possible with my Desire.
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tolis626 said:
Oh well,my hopes are gone then...
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no, CF3D is a work around this VERY hardware "issue"
there can be other hardware things that aren't compatible however.

wait isn't the Mail 400 GPU a quad-core? I've been hearing that it is but Samsung have disabled 2 cores to a dual core GPU.

dk206 said:
I've been hearing that it is but Samsung have disabled 2 cores to a dual core GPU.
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Where did you hear that?

dk206 said:
wait isn't the Mail 400 GPU a quad-core? I've been hearing that it is but Samsung have disabled 2 cores to a dual core GPU.
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I think with dual-core they are referring to the CPU only.The GPU must have remained quad-core.Else how would it pit against the octa-core GeForce of the Tegra?
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omg i got 5000 (4951) score in quadrant overclock 1.6 ghz 1400 mv

With tegrak kernel and tegrak OC utility you can OC GPU, normally it idles at 160MHz and under load clocks to 267 MHz, max OC is 400MHz but phone gets really hot.

mine is stock. when the i play f&f 5 the battery would reach 10% in 2 hours!! so my guess is that oc the GPU would cause a huge drain for the battery

ghost77 said:
With tegrak kernel and tegrak OC utility you can OC GPU, normally it idles at 160MHz and under load clocks to 267 MHz, max OC is 400MHz but phone gets really hot.
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does the kernel offer good alround support?

comnam90 said:
does the kernel offer good alround support?
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It's stable and provides great performance. Although I'm using Ninphetamine right now. Can't use Tegrak oc with nin though. Only setcpu. Nin is oc to1.6 ghz. Tegrak is oc to 1.45GHZ.
EDIT: Just switched back to Tegrak kernel. Manual oc to 2.0 GHZ..Using Tegrak Oc. Stable.
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[Q] Banchmarks and reality

Hi. I have my HD2 with android 4.0.4 with HWA. My friend has Galaxy mini with 2.3.7 (CM7 rom). And he has better 2D and 3D score in all benchmarks. Why? I don't think Galaxy is so new and so better than HWA HD2... So are the benchmarks lying or I have really worse performance?
And questions to devs or people who understand it: why I have 5000 points in I/O on Dorimanx's CM7 rom and on 4.0.4 HWA I have 1000?

Galaxy mini has only 320x240 resolution, so it has a better score.

OK, but shouldn't I have better CPU and GPU (I mean Adreno) to process more stuff? But ok, I am not grumbling, I was just curious.
And what with that I/O speed? Because in HWA roms write and read is very very slow.

kubekpop said:
OK, but shouldn't I have better CPU and GPU (I mean Adreno) to process more stuff? But ok, I am not grumbling, I was just curious.
And what with that I/O speed? Because in HWA roms write and read is very very slow.
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With dorimanxs ROM you must of had data 2 ext enabled so the io scores were that high because of your memory card and on ics you are using your internal memory which is slower than ext4 partitions
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kubekpop said:
OK, but shouldn't I have better CPU and GPU (I mean Adreno) to process more stuff? But ok, I am not grumbling, I was just curious.
And what with that I/O speed? Because in HWA roms write and read is very very slow.
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TBH, benchmarks mean nothing. All that really matters is the end user experience. If you're satisfied with the performance then it really couldn't matter less what you get in benchmarks. Think about it this way, a Galaxy mini might get a higher benchmark but could you really live with a tiny low res screen and TouchWiz (vs almost ANYTHING on the HD2)?

Thank you guys. I am happy about your answers. That's right. Mini has too small screen.
And one more thing: people (like Rick_1995) can play GTA 3 smoothly. I have still lags. I am not requiering 60fps, but ability of playing it comfortable Am I doing something wrong?

kubekpop said:
Thank you guys. I am happy about your answers. That's right. Mini has too small screen.
And one more thing: people (like Rick_1995) can play GTA 3 smoothly. I have still lags. I am not requiering 60fps, but ability of playing it comfortable Am I doing something wrong?
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Possibly that he is overclocking and you arent?

elesbb said:
Possibly that he is overclocking and you arent?
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I've been trying to get GTA3 running too. Even after setting the governor to performance and details to minimum driving wasn't possible. Does anyone know how to do it? Should we increase volts?

I cannot overclock above 1.2GHz (I don't know why won't they add 1.6GHz from Dorimanx kernel).

kubekpop said:
I cannot overclock above 1.2GHz (I don't know why won't they add 1.6GHz from Dorimanx kernel).
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Dunno why but for me on Typhoon CM7 there was no difference between 1.2GHz and 1.6GHz so I doubt there will be for CM9 either. I can give a +1 to GTA running poorly despite what others say.

kubekpop said:
Thank you guys. I am happy about your answers. That's right. Mini has too small screen.
And one more thing: people (like Rick_1995) can play GTA 3 smoothly. I have still lags. I am not requiering 60fps, but ability of playing it comfortable Am I doing something wrong?
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Nigeldg said:
Dunno why but for me on Typhoon CM7 there was no difference between 1.2GHz and 1.6GHz so I doubt there will be for CM9 either. I can give a +1 to GTA running poorly despite what others say.
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GTA3 on my phone:
elesbb said:
Possibly that he is overclocking and you arent?
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CPU running at 998MHz (no OC), I'm using unreleased drivers so it could be them.
Daycrawler said:
I've been trying to get GTA3 running too. Even after setting the governor to performance and details to minimum driving wasn't possible. Does anyone know how to do it? Should we increase volts?
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voltage wouldn't make a difference.
kubekpop said:
I cannot overclock above 1.2GHz (I don't know why won't they add 1.6GHz from Dorimanx kernel).
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How can you tell that the cpu is really running at 1.6GHz and the kernel is just not faking it ? Qualcomm, the company which made the cpu never released any info about how cpu is clocked in hardware, or the pll limits, the multiplier limits, what internal clock logic checks for etc..

Are they going to be released?

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That's how it runs on my phone as well. I definitely don't define that as smooth. I've played it on my Mum's Desire S and it was far better, with a much higher framerate and better resolution (although that's probably due to the smaller screen) so I personally expect more from the game. Also, what about Real Racing? Happen to have a video of that? Because I've heard that's supposed to work without lag but it most certainly doesn't (Raging Thunder and NFS: Shift do but Real Racing doesn't). On a side note, thanks so much for all of the work you've been doing to keep this phone alive, without people like you in the community this phone would be completely dead

[Q] Overclocking

As many of you may have heard, Nexus 7 overclocking became very successfully. I was wondering about the status on overclocking the frequency on the Nexus 10. Is there a good kernel out there now or in the future?
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add12364 said:
As many of you may have heard, Nexus 7 overclocking became very successfully. I was wondering about the status on overclocking the frequency on the Nexus 10. Is there a good kernel out there now or in the future?
Thanks!
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Did you bother to check the dev sections?
There is at least one kernel out that allows overclocking, mine was very stable at 2.0ghz ...

You should have searched around more. But as of right now, the Nexus 10 can get overclocked to 2.1 ghz without much stability issues. The biggest issue is that it thermal throttles so the performance increase isn't that big compared to what it's supposed to be.

404 ERROR said:
You should have searched around more. But as of right now, the Nexus 10 can get overclocked to 2.1 ghz without much stability issues. The biggest issue is that it thermal throttles so the performance increase isn't that big compared to what it's supposed to be.
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Not to mention that the Nexus isn't exactly CPU bottlenecked

dalingrin said:
Not to mention that the Nexus isn't exactly CPU bottlenecked
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OH right. Forgot about that.

dalingrin said:
Not to mention that the Nexus isn't exactly CPU bottlenecked
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I don't understand what CPU bottlenecked means... sry...
Also, I did look around for the kernel guys. I'm just not sure can I flash the kernel over the stock rooted romor do I have to flash both kernel and the AOSP rom.
Plus, I just wanted to know some progress because overclocking hasn't been a big topic for Nexus 10.
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P.S DALINGRIN, I REMEMBER YOU FROM THE NOOK COLOR COMMUNITY!!!
FIRST ROM FLASHED WAS MADE BY YOU!
lol

CPU bottleneck just means that CPU is the hardware component that's slowing down the device. But in the Nexus 10, CPU is not the bottleneck (CPU is plenty strong). The Nexus 10 doesn't need any CPU overclocking. It needs memory and GPU overclocking.
You can flash the kernel over stock rom.

Got the play to 2.1GHz

Title says it all
Edit and a 15MHz GPU overclock and should I go higher maybe 2.2GHz

extremetempz said:
Title says it all
Edit and a 15MHz GPU overclock
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Wow I'm surprised your play didn't explode lol
OT: are you still going to make that cm7 ROM you mentioned a while back because I'm sure lots of people are interested
Edit: can you tell what kernel/ROM you used and how you did it. Thanks
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abdel12345 said:
Wow I'm surprised your play didn't explode lol
OT: are you still going to make that cm7 ROM you mentioned a while back because I'm sure lots of people are interested
Edit: can you tell what kernel/ROM you used and how you did it. Thanks
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I need to fix lots of errors with the GB and I modified lupus v10 GB kernel

extremetempz said:
Title says it all
Edit and a 15MHz GPU overclock
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Water cooling?

SmokeyTheAggie said:
Water cooling?
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Water cooled would be soo awesome !

there is a theory by turgot, that increasing a faktor wont increase the outcome at a specific point anymore. therefore i would be really interested how your play handles games at that oc. not only a benchmark, something like a video where its possible to see occouring errors, if there are any
this is great work you did, and it may allows some modification to the play.yes im thinking about cooling..even if it wont be that portable anymore. thanks for your help

2.3GHz
I'm currently going where no developer would go before my customized kernel has 26 CPU frequinces all up and a max of 2.3GHz
But without the GPU overclock and a 8mb GPU memory vs Lupus and dooms 4mb

i cant go even more than 1.6ghz

Needed an extra cooler solution and an powerful battery, like Mugen 3600mAh, to maintain this level of OC for diary use. Would be amazing!

extremetempz said:
But without the GPU overclock and a 8mb GPU memory vs Lupus and dooms 4mb
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Wait, what? Lupus Kernel offers increased amount of VRAM?

IMHO this is perfectly fine if you don't care so much about the device, otherwise you would be crazy. OC'ng so high will eventually cause in-reversable damage. I know what your doing so no need for me to ask questions But even if its stable for you it wont be for others all depends on the chip and as we know each is different. Also even if people don't use 2.x ghz frequencies tend to jump to the highest for a mili second if even on boot, causing problems with the device actually booting.
Well just my 2 cents on OC'ing...

wedgess said:
IMHO this is perfectly fine if you don't care so much about the device, otherwise you would be crazy. OC'ng so high will eventually cause in-reversable damage. I know what your doing so no need for me to ask questions But even if its stable for you it wont be for others all depends on the chip and as we know each is different. Also even if people don't use 2.x ghz frequencies tend to jump to the highest for a mili second if even on boot, causing problems with the device actually booting.
Well just my 2 cents on OC'ing...
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What about 2 cents on this VRAM apparently being doubled?
At the end of the day its not GMEM which is essentially like a processors cache. Our chip has 256kb of it. But the allocated VMEM, would upping it to 8MB provide any sort of performance increase?
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Spizzy01 said:
What about 2 cents on this VRAM apparently being doubled?
At the end of the day its not GMEM which is essentially like a processors cache. Our chip has 256kb of it. But the allocated VMEM, would upping it to 8MB provide any sort of performance increase?
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So it's true then? How can it be possible?
Wow. Just wow.

Extremetempz, your username fits so well with this thread.

extremetempz said:
Title says it all
Edit and a 15MHz GPU overclock and should I go higher maybe 2.2GHz
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Can you get a stable 2.0ghz if so how do you do it?
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psxpetey said:
Can you get a stable 2.0ghz if so how do you do it?
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I don't know it just works up to 2.2GHz and then crash but my brothers play can only reach 1.6GHz every device is diferent

extremetempz said:
I don't know it just works up to 2.2GHz and then crash but my brothers play can only reach 1.6GHz every device is diferent
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Can you post some benchmarks for the CPU? And also tell us more about the VRAM... Did it make any difference?

I believe that the Xplay has good chances of reach 2.0GHZ, running fine, provided has an good thermal solution. In my test, the games run fine for some minutes, before start overheat. Needed of somebody to build an custom cooler, then, make some tests. In my opinion, the safe clock, for sure, is not only 1.6GHZ. Only for default cooler.

leots said:
Can you post some benchmarks for the CPU? And also tell us more about the VRAM... Did it make any difference?
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I CBF screen shooting but CPU at 2.1 is around 20% faster then 1.6 and the GPU is around 25% faster with a 2600 3d score in antutu without adrenobooster

I know it's kind of not allowed to redistribute this but can u upload the kernel and send it ti me (PM) cus I will take some screens ans my play can handle 2GHz fine but bootloops when gaming after about 30-50 minutwa (depends on intensity of game!)
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Kernel/ROM etc.... features that we need

this thread is meant for everyone thats making a kernel or ROM so you know what features that everyone wants
The things we need
ROOT duh
ALL-F2FS FS support
NTFS FS support
CPU Governors
GPU Governors
GPU overclocking
CPU overclocking
RAM overclocking if we can
Dual boot ROM/Kernels and 64bit Ubuntu
any more ideas?

MultiBoot! Kexec?

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MultiBoot! Kexec?
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I have that one listed

Under voltage's battery's current 6700mah to say 6200 for extended battery life!
Under volatage CPU/GPU
Aroma?
Sweep2wake
Sweep2sleep
This is alot to ask, but good luck!

Multiwindow

MRobbo80 said:
Under voltage's battery's current 6700mah to say 6200 for extended battery life!
Under volatage CPU/GPU
Aroma?
Sweep2wake
Sweep2sleep
This is alot to ask, but good luck!
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Haha well ty
I don't even like s2w and s2s lol

USBhost said:
Haha well ty
I don't even like s2w and s2s lol
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Tuff luck! Its what others like :good:

PIE control

Most important one.. Stability. Needs to be stable, and have a few minor tweaks, it all depends on how the stock kernel is though.. HTC Stock kernels tend to be pretty sweet anyway and just need a few features added IMO.

Have been told that the CPU is way under clocked @2.3,GHz and could handle 3.00ghz easy! Note that this is a rumour, but if true wow!
Really looking forward to it now!

Um everything you listed is stuff that is the norm for custom kernels. Wonder if well see Franco or faux or flar here...im still really on the fence.
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Jonnyredcorn said:
Um everything you listed is stuff that is the norm for custom kernels. Wonder if well see Franco or faux or flar here...im still really on the fence.
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Im sure some of the big boys will come

USBhost said:
Im sure some of the big boys will come
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At the price probably only if the device is donated. I'm sure the size is off putting for them.

USB-OTG and USB-Audio support would be stellar (if not included as standard)
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I would love to see the GPU and CPU overclocking as well as over/under volt for both for maximum tuning capability. The other things I would like to see though are RAM and bus overclocking access since with so many GPU cores if we get to overclocking we may need some more in those areas too so we can take full advantage of the higher core MHz

EniGmA1987 said:
I would love to see the GPU and CPU overclocking as well as over/under volt for both for maximum tuning capability. The other things I would like to see though are RAM and bus overclocking access since with so many GPU cores if we get to overclocking we may need some more in those areas too so we can take full advantage of the higher core MHz
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Yep your so right

Will the LTE version have more or less ROM/kernel support?

tyvar1 said:
Will the LTE version have more or less ROM/kernel support?
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Hmm
i would think it wont be as much as the wifi only version
Lets hope the kernel is the same but with just some extra drivers

Jonnyredcorn said:
Um everything you listed is stuff that is the norm for custom kernels. Wonder if well see Franco or faux or flar here...im still really on the fence.
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I'm 99.9% sure we will see a lot of big boys!! See what they can do with the k1

MRobbo80 said:
I'm 99.9% sure we will see a lot of big boys!! See what they can do with the k1
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But i do have my doubts
because what happened to the shield tablet