I'm wondering if anyone knows if it's possible to have simultaneous OTG & charging with the use of a pogo pin charger?
For instance, plug in a usb OTG into the main microUSB charging port, and use a pogo pin charger [either make one or buy when they are available], and have a flash drive, or hard drive plugged in, and charge at the same time with the pogo pin connector?
I used to have a Nexus 7, and via a custom kernel, and a OTG charging cable [basically a regular OTG with additional power wires & connector for charger]. But I think it would be simpler to use the pogo pin approach. The only thing I'm worried of however, the kernel might disable OTG while it charges via pogo, or perhaps disable charging while OTG is enabled. I guess in this case, we would need a modified kernel to achieve simultaneous OTG and charging.
Here is a link to one of the first Nexus 10 pogo charger cables and it makes this claim:
"You still can power Nexus 10 while the USB port is otherwise occupied for data uses. It is fun & convenient to have MagNector to free up the USB port and charge faster."
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MagNector-N...ader_Chargers_Sync_Cables&hash=item20ce4990a6
So if that statement is true than the answer to your question is Yes.
eBay item is no longer available..
However, I know how sellers often make unfounded claims like that. So while it's probably a good sign, I am not convinced it's true. If anyone is fortunate enough to have a pogo charger, could you test it out with a otg cable and let us know the results?
Or if you're a kernel hacker, maybe take a look at the kernel source code and tell me what you think?
Also if anyone has a link where I could read about pogo pins for the N10, I'd like to read it. I'm interested in trying to make one, if they don't make any low-cost ones in the near future.
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mvmacd said:
eBay item is no longer available..
However, I know how sellers often make unfounded claims like that. So while it's probably a good sign, I am not convinced it's true. If anyone is fortunate enough to have a pogo charger, could you test it out with a otg cable and let us know the results?
Or if you're a kernel hacker, maybe take a look at the kernel source code and tell me what you think?
Also if anyone has a link where I could read about pogo pins for the N10, I'd like to read it. I'm interested in trying to make one, if they don't make any low-cost ones in the near future.
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The answer to the question is ye, you can charge and use otg. Btw, http://pogocable.com/ 20$ isn't a bad price...
lKBZl said:
The answer to the question is ye, you can charge and use otg. Btw, http://pogocable.com/ 20$ isn't a bad price...
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Just wondering, have you actually tried it yet? I remember on the n7 it would disable pogo charging when you plugged in otg. I hope n10 is different.
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I got the pogo cable in today. I plugged the usb-otg cable into the Nexus 10 with a thumbdrive connected to it. Stickmount recognized the thumbdrive and I can read/write to it. I noticed that the battery runs down while the otg is plugged in though. Running Paranoidandroid 2.99 with whatever kernel comes with that.
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I got the pogo cable in today. I plugged the usb-otg cable into the Nexus 10 with a thumbdrive connected to it. Stickmount recognized the thumbdrive and I can read/write to it. I noticed that the battery runs down while the otg is plugged in though. Running Paranoidandroid 2.99 with whatever kernel comes with that.
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Does it say "Charging (USB)" or "Charging (AC)" in Settings > Battery?
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Does it say "Charging (USB)" or "Charging (AC)" in Settings > Battery?
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It says "Charging (AC)"
I know it's not the original question, but it looks like that would be possible with a modified OTG USB cable. Sounds like you already have something similar.
I was thinking about this for using my n10 for larger video recording when away from wifi. Just need to hook a battery up to the OTG while its plugged into the thumb drive. It takes a charge off my laptop when connected via the otg usb, so it should work as well with the correct setup voltage/wiring .
I would also like to know the pin designation for the pogo plug. If you can do the same setup as the one above, with the pogo... There would be less chance of damage to the tablet on the go......
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I know it's not the original question, but it looks like that would be possible with a modified OTG USB cable. Sounds like you already have something similar.
I was thinking about this for using my n10 for larger video recording when away from wifi. Just need to hook a battery up to the OTG while its plugged into the thumb drive. It takes a charge off my laptop when connected via the otg usb, so it should work as well with the correct setup voltage/wiring .
I would also like to know the pin designation for the pogo plug. If you can do the same setup as the one above, with the pogo... There would be less chance of damage to the tablet on the go......
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I know a nonstandard OTG cable [a OTG charging cable, basically the same as a regular one, except it has female USB only connected to the charging pins] and a modded kernel allowed for simultaneous OTG + charge on the Nexus 7, but I'd rather not have to deal with that, as getting a separate pogo charger seems like a better option.
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I know a nonstandard OTG cable [a OTG charging cable, basically the same as a regular one, except it has female USB only connected to the charging pins] and a modded kernel allowed for simultaneous OTG + charge on the Nexus 7, but I'd rather not have to deal with that, as getting a separate pogo charger seems like a better option.
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It has to be a moded kernel to access the data in read/write mode? Nothing to do with charging, and correct?
What I was considering is a battery/usb hub combo. One that plugs into the micro usb port and the battery actually has a female usb port for the thumb drive (need root to write to the drive, but not to stream from it). Amazon carries lots of external batteries with micro usb connection and the female usb port.
I agree, the pogo would be much simpler and still allow data through the micro usb.
The pogo would be much better for portability for this type of use especially if it allows for faster charging. If no one has the pin layout, guess I'll wait to get mine and test them myself. 6 pins on the n10 itself so it's not a standard usb pin setup?
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It has to be a moded kernel to access the data in read/write mode? Nothing to do with charging, and correct?
What I was considering is a battery/usb hub combo. One that plugs into the micro usb port and the battery actually has a female usb port for the thumb drive (need root to write to the drive, but not to stream from it). Amazon carries lots of external batteries with micro usb connection and the female usb port.
I agree, the pogo would be much simpler and still allow data through the micro usb.
The pogo would be much better for portability for this type of use especially if it allows for faster charging. If no one has the pin layout, guess I'll wait to get mine and test them myself. 6 pins on the n10 itself so it's not a standard usb pin setup?
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No, on the Nexus 7, if you plug in a OTG cable [which basically grounds a certain pin, the only difference between micro OTG and micro to full size USB adapter], it disables charging through power pins, because it needs to send power to OTG device, for example, a flash drive. It needs +5V power.
So the kernel mod was to disable the output of power, so that it could instead receive power and charge, from the charger. [The charger also 100% powering the OTG device]
Even if you have an externally powered hard drive, it needs power to turn on, even if it uses a wall adapter for the actual power to run the device.
Here is the kernel I was talking about: http://mehrvarz.github.com/usb-host-mode-power-management-nexus7/
it was made by a rootzwiki user. some discussion here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1934722
Check the images of the USB hub on the 1st link.
Just for the heck of it I plugged a USB cable connected to my PC into the Nexus 10 while the pogo was also connected. The Nexus 10 showed up on the PC as it normally does in the file explorer and I can transfer files back and forth as usual. I went to Settings -> Battery on the Nexus 10 and it showed "Charging AC". I then unplugged the pogo cable and the status changed to "Charging USB". Plugged the pogo back in and the status switched back to "Charging AC". Then to make sure the pogo was actually doing the charging, I watched 2 hours of Netflix with the screen set to full brightness. The battery went down only 2%, so I'm pretty sure the pogo was doing the charging.
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Thanks for your test. However with Nexus 10 connected to pc it is not in otg/host mode. You need to connect for example an usb memory with a otg cable to test if charging work with host mode enabled. There seems to be some discussions going on claiming pogo charging is disabled in host mode on Nexus 10 as well. It would be really really stupid if that's the case and I can't for the world figure out how they could put this limitation in the kernel.
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Johan1976 said:
Thanks for your test. However with Nexus 10 connected to pc it is not in otg/host mode. You need to connect for example an usb memory with a otg cable to test if charging work with host mode enabled. There seems to be some discussions going on claiming pogo charging is disabled in host mode on Nexus 10 as well. It would be really really stupid if that's the case and I can't for the world figure out how they could put this limitation in the kernel.
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Yes I tried that and the pogo would not charge.
EDIT: I bought a couple of OTG Y-cables on ebay (1 male micro usb end, 1 female micro usb end and a female usb end) to play around with when I saw they had a fix for the Nexus 7. I tried one on my Nexus 7 (PA rom and Timur kernel), connecting the female usb to a powered usb hub that has 16gb sdhc card plugged into it. Then connected the female micro usb end to a spare micro usb charging cable and the other end of the charging cable to the usb hub. The male micro usb end gets connected to the Nexus 7. I fired up the Nexus 7 while in the Asus pogo dock I bought for it and it charges the Nexus 7 while also allowing the OTG connection. I tried the same setup with my Nexus 10 (PA Rom, Ktoonez kernel) and pogo cable and it worked. The Nexus 10 charges through the pogo cable while the OTG works also. With the usb hub I'm using with the Nexus 10, I had to plug the charging cable into a charger wall wart. I don't think the old hub was putting out enough power to power the usb device. I let them both run over a day like this. Ran some RomToolBox app backups on both them and they both are charging on the pogo pins while doing so. If you go to system settings -> battery it shows "Charging AC" on both.
The galaxy nexus already has a custom kernel that supports OTG + charging (via a y-cable):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1835720
In that thread (and the link in the OP there) there are discussions about porting that kernel to the nexus 7. Also, this modified kernel is (currently) for 4.1.2. Unfortunately I am not smart enough to do this myself (especially we are now dealing with the pogo cable and the USB); I do hope to let everyone -- especially the developers! -- knows about the possibility in view of the gnex kernel.
Is this an issue only with Disk Media over OTG, or is it with anything (controllers, etc.) over OTG?
If anyone is interested read my edit a couple of posts up.
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It says AC charging even though it's not actually charging. Confirm this with for example battery monitor widget.
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So here is what I'm trying to do... I want to disable the usb pc connection, because I have noticed that my phone charges very slow when connected to the computer, compared to when I have it charging to the wall outlet...
is there anyway to disable this feature so that I can just have my phone charging through the computer without enabling the pc connection?
I know on older previous versions of Android, when plugged to a computer you would get prompt with some options to choose (mass storage, kies, charge only, etc)
Is there anything similar available for the i337?
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idrummer said:
So here is what I'm trying to do... I want to disable the usb pc connection, because I have noticed that my phone charges very slow when connected to the computer, compared to when I have it charging to the wall outlet...
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The data connection to the PC isn't causing slow charging.
Your PC's USB port most likely only puts out 0.5A, while the wall charger puts out 2A. (my numbers may not be exact, but the theory is the same).
Exactly as stated above. USB 2.0 only allows 500ma of charging power vs 2.0amps (2000ma) for the charger that is supplied with the S4.
I wish phone makers would start getting with USB 3.0 Standard. If they had a 3.0 connector on the USB cables supplied, USB 3.0 can supply up to 1.5amps, and potentially up to 5amp.
As an aside: the SGS4 only allows for MTP and PTP connections...
There is a way to allow Mass Storage mode, but I wouldn't recommend it, so I won't provide any more details on that.
The Note 3 is the first phone to come with USB 3.0 support, the cable and connector are up to spec.
What I'm wondering if this helps with the charging speed, as the wall charger doesn't seem to be with a USB 3.0 connector.
Does anyone have any insight to this?
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The wall charger has a 2Ah power output while a pc usb 3.0 port has a maximum output of 900mAh. If you use an USB 2.0 port it's only 500mAh.
The best way to recharge the Note 3 is to use the wall charger.
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The Note 3 is the first phone to come with USB 3.0 support, the cable and connector are up to spec.
What I'm wondering if this helps with the charging speed, as the wall charger doesn't seem to be with a USB 3.0 connector.
Does anyone have any insight to this?
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From a dedicated charger the final charging current is normally determined by the PHONE + CHARGER based on how the phone "recognizes" the charger as good/bad (and what battery level you already have + how warm the battery is) and how much power the charger can provide. I believe the max that I have seen on my Note 3 was 1800 mA (which worked with both USB3 cables but also with some good USB2 cables).
From a PC the charging current is the result of a more complex negotiation, the phone can still have "the last word" but it can not go over 500 mA on USB2 or 900 mA on USB3.
Somehow related - please note that on USB3 DATA you STILL need to MANUALLY enable USB3 mode EVERY TIME YOU PLUG TO THE PC. Even if enabled the mode will be reset to USB2 in 10 minutes and lost if you remove and plug-in again. That being said on my Thinkpad I have not seen it charging over 450 mA even when on USB3 under Win7 (but the speed difference exists, so USB3 is correctly triggered).
Also please note that the life of the battery can be heavily influenced by the charging current - the smaller the charging current the more cycles the battery will last on the very long term. Also high temperatures are pretty bad for the battery. So if you are in no hurry it is always better to charge with a small USB2 current that is guaranteed to not go over 500 mA.
Maybe I wasn't clear enough, I'm wondering if the wall charger is utilizing the USB 3.0 capability, and if there's any advantage of using the USB 3 cable over a regular micro USB cable.
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No, there is not. The Note 3 has a USB 3.0 port, but it is only faster for data transfer. Charging is done at 2.0 speed, not 3.0. Regardless of what you attach it to, it charges just as fast as a 2.0 device.
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The wall charger has a 2Ah power output while a pc usb 3.0 port has a maximum output of 900mAh. If you use an USB 2.0 port it's only 500mAh.
The best way to recharge the Note 3 is to use the wall charger.
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What if you used a USB 2.0 cable with the 2Ah AC adapter? Would it still charge in "USB 3.0" mode and not give you a message to use a USB 3.0 cable?
I have my old 1Ah car charger and when I use a USB 2.0 cable, the phone says to use the USB 3.0 cable for faster charging.
But, looking at this pinout:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:USB_3.0_Micro_B_plug.PNG
It seems like only the USB 2.0 section is providing the power?
It's utterly confusing. Would be nice if someone who really knows this stuff explain how it works?
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No, there is not. The Note 3 has a USB 3.0 port, but it is only faster for data transfer. Charging is done at 2.0 speed, not 3.0. Regardless of what you attach it to, it charges just as fast as a 2.0 device.
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What's strange is that I have a car charger that is 1.0Ah. When I use a USB 2.0 cable, the phone tells me to use a USB 3.0 cable for faster charging.
When I use a USB 3.0 cable, the message does not appear.
But I'm thinking that the car charger can only put out 1.0Ah regardless of the cable that is used?
I suspect I know the answer to this, but I just wanted to get confirmation.
I was originally led to believe that the Galaxy S5's included USB 3.0 charging cable allows faster charging than a USB 2.0 cable. Upon thinking it over, the 3.0 cable should really only provide faster charging compared to USB 2.0, and only when plugged into a USB 3.0 computer port.
When using the same USB 3.0 cable via an AC wall adapter, the power output of the wall adapter should be the only thing that really determines the charging speed: Fast charging with a 2-amp wall adapter, slower charging with a 1-amp adapter; whether the cable is USB 2.0 or 3.0 should not matter.
Am I correct here?
The USB 3 cable provides only extra data lanes no extra charging speed. The AC charger will charge at 2amp and on PC you are likely to get not much better than 450mili Amp.