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Hey guys, I saw this Global edition is coming out, anyone know if it would work straight up on a GSM network? I'm on Rogers in Canada, same netwrok as AT&T and unfortunately GSM android phone selection blows and I've wanted a Droid for ever. Does the Global have a SIM card slot, would it work as a GSM phone or is it strictly designed to work on CDMA and work on GSM from time to time?
Please for the love of god someone tell me it will work as a normal GSM phone, I want a good android phone
Well here in america I know they have the black berrys such as the storm 1 that are gsm and also have verizon "sim cards" in them (yeah, weird I know..) so I want to assume that the phone will be coming with a sim card slot somewhere but honestly I haven't heard much either about the droid 2 we..when I first saw it I had no idea what a "we" droid 2 was lol...neither did google ...hahah
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Well here in america I know they have the black berrys such as the storm 1 that are gsm and also have verizon "sim cards" in them (yeah, weird I know..) so I want to assume that the phone will be coming with a sim card slot somewhere but honestly I haven't hear much either about the droid 2 we..when I first saw it I had no idea what a "we" droid 2 was lol...neither did google ...hahah
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Hahaha thanks man, I'm going to wait till thing gets pushed out finally hopefully someone will tear it apart.
But if anyone else knows anything else please chime in. This could be sweet if it works
Like the global phones of yesteryear (Blackberry devices, a few Windows mobile ones and some feature phones), they come with a VodaFone SIM for use with global roaming. It is SIM-locked (subsidy locked) however and you'll need to unlock it. Verizon routinely does this for regular customers on contract but if you buy the Pro or D2 Global unsubsidized they generally won't and you'll have to unlock it via a third party.
Once it's unlocked: It's tri-band UMTS. I'm not an expert on UMTS frequencies around the globe. I know it'll work in a couple hundred countries outside North America but I have no idea if it'll work at 3G speeds on US or Canadian GSM networks. It'll definitely work for phone calls and 2G data on AT&T, T-Mobile, Rogers, etc since it's quad-band GSM - this is how the global BlackBerry devices work. My old Storm 1 is still in use by someone on AT&T and I intend to sell my current unlocked Storm 2 when I finally break down and pick up one of the new global Droids.
Just got a Droid 2 Global. It has a VZW/Vodafone sim in it, no idea if it's SIM Locked(I'm sure it is). Once you get it unlocked, it shouldent be hard to get working with a rogers sim.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/droid-2-global-motorola-nbsp.shtml
states:
# All–Digital, 800/1900, CDMA EVDO rev A
# Quad Band GSM – 850/900/1800/1900MHz
# Tri–Band UMTS/HSPA – 850 /1900/2100MHz
So according to this, if its unlocked, it should work for Rogers or AT&T 3G
Any ideas on how to get it unlocked ?
i'm sure a third party company can unlock it like how the storm 1s were unlocked, just have to wait and see since it was barely released from vzw.
I got my D2 Global SIM unlocked yesterday. Called VZW Global Support (1-800-711-8300) and they gave me the code (once you put in a non-VZW SIM, it will automatically ask you for the code.) As long as your line has been active for at least 6 months with no late payments, they will hook you up.
HOWEVER, it appears there may be more to the unlocking process. When I did a GSM network scan, no networks showed up. Others on various forums have been reporting the same issue in the last day or so. Normally when you put in a SIM into an unlocked GSM phone, you will see the roaming network options.
It's possible that they have blocked US GSM networks and foreign networks will work fine, but I'm hoping others can shed some light on the issue.
ArizonaGuy said:
It'll definitely work for phone calls and 2G data on AT&T, T-Mobile, Rogers, etc since it's quad-band GSM
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xryousukex said:
# All–Digital, 800/1900, CDMA EVDO rev A
# Quad Band GSM – 850/900/1800/1900MHz
# Tri–Band UMTS/HSPA – 850 /1900/2100MHz
So according to this, if its unlocked, it should work for Rogers or AT&T 3G
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Not quite. If you look at the D2G user guide on the Motorola website, it says on page 12: "DROID2 Global by Motorola switches effortlessly between CDMA, GSM 900, GSM 1800, and UMTS 2100 networks, so you can make calls in over 200 countries worldwide."
So it seems that VZW has restricted use of the 850/1900 MHz GSM/UMTS bands, even though the device has the hardware to support them. Most foreign networks use 900/1800 GSM and 2100 UMTS but AT&T/T-Mobile use 850/1900, which is why no one has had any success with them yet.
Hopefully someone can figure out a workaround.
Yes - hopefully someone can find a workaround for this. The same is true for the Droid Pro in that even once the phone is unlocked it will not work on ATT networks.
The Moto Z Play GSM unlocked releases tomorrow in the U.S., and it's not fully compatible with AT&T LTE. So basically its a T-mobile phone. What the hell! I'm so angry they did this. Anyone know where I can pick up the mexican or brazilian model from the States?
What makes you say its not compatible with AT&T?
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According to GSM Arena, the only supported bands on AT&T are 2 and 4. AT&T uses Bands 17, 5, 2 and 4
I think the odds are that is not correct, but I can't guarantee that.
it is correct unfortunately... I already called them. Like I said. Super pissed about it. I really really wanted this phone because of the battery life. Looks like I have to go with the one plus 3 now.
You're right — the Moto US website shows 4G LTE (B2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 13)
If you're interested in getting the Mexican version, send me a private message.
My US Moto Z Play works perfectly with AT&T, LTE Detector shows that I am connected using band 17. https://imgur.com/a/V16ip
How accurate the app is i dont know, but LTE does infact work fine.
People assumed what Moto had for the supported bands was correct, but people have gotten their phones and all the bands for ATT are there with the GSM model.
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The Moto Z Play GSM unlocked releases tomorrow in the U.S., and it's not fully compatible with AT&T LTE. So basically its a T-mobile phone. What the hell! I'm so angry they did this. Anyone know where I can pick up the mexican or brazilian model from the States?
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It supports LTE band 17, in fact all bands for AT&T. It was mentioned on the box. I got it yesterday and its working just fine. On Best Buy and Motorola website its bad copy paste job from Moto Z Droid.
Going to be picking mine up from best buy in a bit... I will also report back my findings. Hoping everyone is correct about the bad copy pasta
LTE bands confirmed for unlocked gsm model
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LTE bands confirmed for unlocked gsm model
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Awesome, I actually didnt notice that on the box when I got it. Hopefully not too many people got scared away by the misunderstanding.
I just bought my phone from ebay, the language on the box is spanish, i am guessing its from Mexico.
On the phone itself it says "MODELO:XT1635-02", TYPE:M1D64
I am in Houghton, Michigan right now and am on an H2O network, which uses AT&T networks.
I am checking network info repetetively, and HSPA is displayed in the settings and not LTE.
Dail *#*#4636#*#* in your phone's dailer for more info on your network.
I tried choosing "Only LTE" here and upon choosing this, the phone doesnt catch any network!
Is the US version same as the Mexican version?
Is the Mexican version same as the International version?
WTF is this bull**** and why Motorola have this in the first place?
Anyone with additional info please reply ASAP, because if this mexican phone wont catch LTE, i will give it back to the seller and buy a new US version of the phone,
(provided the US version is compatible with AT&T networks)
Confirming again, us model does have band 17. Just got mine today.
Ak Ankit said:
I just bought my phone from ebay, the language on the box is spanish, i am guessing its from Mexico.
On the phone itself it says "MODELO:XT1635-02", TYPE:M1D64
I am in Houghton, Michigan right now and am on an H2O network, which uses AT&T networks.
I am checking network info repetetively, and HSPA is displayed in the settings and not LTE.
Dail *#*#4636#*#* in your phone's dailer for more info on your network.
I tried choosing "Only LTE" here and upon choosing this, the phone doesnt catch any network!
Is the US version same as the Mexican version?
Is the Mexican version same as the International version?
WTF is this bull**** and why Motorola have this in the first place?
Anyone with additional info please reply ASAP, because if this mexican phone wont catch LTE, i will give it back to the seller and buy a new US version of the phone,
(provided the US version is compatible with AT&T networks)
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The Mexican version of the phone should be 100% compatible. Make sure however you dont have the euro model or the Peru model.
Works with att lte here but not as good as my s7e att phone. But i still get lte in areas
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jon7701 said:
My US Moto Z Play works perfectly with AT&T, LTE Detector shows that I am connected using band 17.
How accurate the app is i dont know, but LTE does infact work fine.
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I just bought the unlocked US Moto Z play from best buy and can't get on the LTE network. I live in a major US city too, philadelphia. Can you maybe share your APN settings with me? What else could it be?
Thanks!
Using LTE Discovery, I can see I'm currently connected to band 17 on my unlocked Moto Z Play. It appears the specs on Moto's website are incorrect.
Motorola updated their website
Network Bands - US GSM Unlocked:
GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+ (850, 900, 1700, 1900, 2100 MHz)
4G LTE (B1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 17, 19, 20, 28, 38, 40)
People confirmed that volte works on tmobile
Unsure about volte on att, or wifi calling on any network
Now, im going to complain about the lack of band 66(aws-3)
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Motorola updated their website
Network Bands - US GSM Unlocked:
GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+ (850, 900, 1700, 1900, 2100 MHz)
4G LTE (B1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 17, 19, 20, 28, 38, 40)
People confirmed that volte works on tmobile
Unsure about volte on att, or wifi calling on any network
Now, im going to complain about the lack of band 66(aws-3)
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So there are 2 model numbers for the moto z play. XT1635-01 and XT1635-02. I believe 01 is the US version and 02 is an international version. 01 doesn't seem to come w/ a usb type A to type C cable, and 02 seems horribly inconsistent where the versions shipped to india do seem to come w/ a usb type c cable and the versions to the EU don't seem to have said cable.
According to the box on -02 imgur.com/wBTrUhY, it does support band 17.
Has anyone that has -02 tried cyanogen 14.1 yet? Curious to know if they had any issues w/ flashing twrp or cyanogen to -02. Also curious if -01 takes a full size sim or only a nano-sim.
Is there any way to switch the lte bands. Normally I would dial #*#*4636*#*# but the phone information is saying its not available on this device. Both my nexus 6p and my old note 7 got good signal but this phone is horrible as far as signal strength goes.
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Is there any way to switch the lte bands. Normally I would dial #*#*4636*#*# but the phone information is saying its not available on this device. Both my nexus 6p and my old note 7 got good signal but this phone is horrible as far as signal strength goes.
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this is my question as well. AT&T page for V20 lists LTE bands and band 17 is NOT among them. band 17 is supposedly the main ATT LTE band, which basically means you will only be able to get LTE on V20 on ATT on the backup LTE bands where they are available ...
i'm looking for confirmation that this is true, because who knows - maybe some idiot just forgot to type in number 17 on that info page ...
Notes, iPhones and Pixel all have band 17 ...
obviously i won't be getting iPhone and i can't get the Note. i didn't really want to get the Pixel because i feel like it's overpriced ...
but if what you're saying about V20 getting bad signal is true then Pixel may be the only choice ...
i started having my suspicions about V20 when i heard it won't be coming out in UK, which i thought was very odd ... but apparently one difference between Snapdragon 821 in Pixel and 820 in V20 is that 821 has more LTE bands, which would make it better both for ATT and better as a global phone for travel ...
again, i'm looking for confirmation that this is true.
HELP ???
McQueefus said:
Is there any way to switch the lte bands. Normally I would dial #*#*4636*#*# but the phone information is saying its not available on this device. Both my nexus 6p and my old note 7 got good signal but this phone is horrible as far as signal strength goes.
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If you're talking about being able to choose specific LTE bands, I do that on my Tmobile handset using this dial code (use at your own risk)
*#546368#*918# - for AT&T you need to use 910 or 915 depending on your model # (not sure why AT&T has 2 different model #'s)
So it would be
*#546368#*910# or *#546368#*915#
Then
Go to Field Test
Modem Settings
LTE Band Selection
Choose band
To revert back to auto scanning
Go to Field Test
Modem Settings
Network Mode
Automatic
nest75068 said:
Go to Field Test
Modem Settings
LTE Band Selection
Choose band
To revert back to auto scanning
Go to Field Test
Modem Settings
Network Mode
Automatic
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The 910 doesn't have those options under modem settings.
g1981c said:
this is my question as well. AT&T page for V20 lists LTE bands and band 17 is NOT among them. band 17 is supposedly the main ATT LTE band, which basically means you will only be able to get LTE on V20 on ATT on the backup LTE bands where they are available ...
i'm looking for confirmation that this is true, because who knows - maybe some idiot just forgot to type in number 17 on that info page ...
Notes, iPhones and Pixel all have band 17 ...
obviously i won't be getting iPhone and i can't get the Note. i didn't really want to get the Pixel because i feel like it's overpriced ...
but if what you're saying about V20 getting bad signal is true then Pixel may be the only choice ...
i started having my suspicions about V20 when i heard it won't be coming out in UK, which i thought was very odd ... but apparently one difference between Snapdragon 821 in Pixel and 820 in V20 is that 821 has more LTE bands, which would make it better both for ATT and better as a global phone for travel ...
again, i'm looking for confirmation that this is true.
HELP ???
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THAT IS NOT THE DIFFERENCE. Modem and CPU part of the SOC are totally different things. The pixel is and unlocked and more likely to support more bands as unlocked phones tend to be more globally friendly. Chances are that certain bands are on there but T-Mobile has it disabled or LG. T-Mobile is usually more bands friendly but not always, as the HTC M8 was seriously gimped in the LTE bands, didn't even support T-Mobile's band 12. I would look at the unlocked version of the V20 to decipher more info.
And you're welcome for the undeserved thanks. Your comment made no sense. Qualcomm modems for certain phones are usually about 2-5 different sets depending on markets a phone will serve. It is usually 2 or 3 when the phone is released worldwide basically and every carrier and market will have certain bands disabled for whatever reason. It also rare for developers to enable them as it takes specialized hardware or knowledge of the software. Another factor is if the antenna for certain bands are even in the phone. No antenna for a band then no firmware will ever be able to enable it, much less some hijinks tweaking.
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THAT IS NOT THE DIFFERENCE. Modem and CPU part of the SOC are totally different things. The pixel is and unlocked and more likely to support more bands as unlocked phones tend to be more globally friendly. Chances are that certain bands are on there but T-Mobile has it disabled or LG. T-Mobile is usually more bands friendly but not always, as the HTC M8 was seriously gimped in the LTE bands, didn't even support T-Mobile's band 12. I would look at the unlocked version of the V20 to decipher more info.
And you're welcome for the undeserved thanks. Your comment made no sense. Qualcomm modems for certain phones are usually about 2-5 different sets depending on markets a phone will serve. It is usually 2 or 3 when the phone is released worldwide basically and every carrier and market will have certain bands disabled for whatever reason. It also rare for developers to enable them as it takes specialized hardware or knowledge of the software. Another factor is if the antenna for certain bands are even in the phone. No antenna for a band then no firmware will ever be able to enable it, much less some hijinks tweaking.
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OK i followed your advice and looked up Unlocked V20. i'm not allowed to post links yet but from bhphotovideo page the unlocked US version has LTE bands: 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 12, 13, 17, 20, 25 which includes the band 17 ...
while the ATT page lists LTE bands: 1, 2 ,3, 4, 5, 7, 12, 20, 29, and 30 which does NOT include band 17 ...
now the question is, assuming that information is correct, why on earth would ATT chose the version of a phone that doesn't have the main ATT band ?
is there any way to find out whether the above information is accurate ?
as an ATT subscriber, would there be any advantage / disadvantage for getting unlocked phone from B&H versus ATT branded phone from ATT ?
should i try to contact some sort of ATT technical support to try and get an answer ?
EDIT:
according to article titled "LG V20 Model Numbers (F800, H910, H918, H990 DS Dual, H990N Dual, H990T, LS997, US996, VS995) Differences" from techwalls dot com the ATT version has bands: 1,2,3,4,5,7,12,17,20,30 which again has the band 17. it has same number of bands but compared to information on ATT page it subtracts band 29 and adds band 17 ...
frankly, this makes far more sense than ATT page info, but for 800 bucks i need to know for sure ...
EDIT:
according to frequencycheck website the ATT version of V20 ( H910 / H915 ) supports all ( 8 out of 8 ) bands used by ATT, all 4 LTE bands as well as both GSM and both UMTS bands used by ATT.
according to LG's own website H910 has: 2/4/5/12/29/30, Roaming 1/3/7/20, and CA ... which is the same was what ATT lists except for "CA" ...
Band 12 replaces band 17
The way I understand it, band 12 and band 17 covers the same frequency range. At&t has achieved (they were forced by FCC) interoperability between band 12 and 17 now. So band 17 is essentially obsolete and only useful if you are on the at&t network. If you have band 12 capability on your phone, you can use any 700mhz at&t tower that formerly may have only supported band 17. Now all those towers support both bands. And you can use smaller carrier towers too if you have band 12 capability.
Hi all!
**EDIT** It is a US996, not an H996, my mistake!****
Ok I am so confused on what to do and hope I can get some insight here
I ordered an LG V20 unlocked from Amazon.com. I fell in love with the phone but within a couple of days it started to develop vertical lines on a portion of the screen. LG can take it in and fix it but I find it's easier to do a return to Amazon. I ordered another and it arrived before I returned the other one.
However!
This one, under the same listing, is a LOCKED T-Mobile version, model H918.
My previous unlocked one is H996.
Geeez!
So my dilemma. I am in the US and return to Canada for the summers. I am with Freedom Mobile (once Wind Mobile) who now is LTE (band 66). When I received my first V20 from Amazon I called LG to inquire if my model H996 would work with them, and if it had band 66....because everywhere online it said it hadn't. I was informed it did indeed have band 66 now....even if it doesn't say it on their site or anywhere else online!
I know from research that H918 has band 66.....but....
1. This replacement cost me 80 more on Amazon
2. I'd have to get it unlocked
3. I very much dislike all this T-Mobile stuff on it that I will not use
4. Probably the worst thing is the T-Mobile Start up. I loved my normal H996 LG start up. I know silly, but true!
So I guess my questions are....
A. Does anyone know about this band 66 thing? I am going to call LG again to confirm that the H996 will work if I have it fixed.
B. Does the H918 have anything that the H996 doesn't have? I've researched on here and apparently it has an FM radio....and more roms available.
C. If I keep the H918 and decide to root it....are there roms that can change the start up into something else other than T-Mobile?
Thanks in advance
The H918 (and some other models as well) have the Band IV or AWS or 1700/1900 on the 3G/3G+/HSPA/HSPA+ frequency set (this Band IV in the 3G band only affects 3G). T-mobile uses Band IV on it's 3G network as well as the same 3G bands as AT&T, Bell, ROGERS, Telus (and Canada's little three including Koodo, Virgin Mobile, and FIDO) (for a long while, T-mobile only had the Band IV in 3G set which is why T-mobile needed it's own phone (but most of this has been replaced by LTE (4G, 4G LTE).
The Band 66 serves as one of the LTE bands on T-mobile and Freedom Mobile in Canada (western Canada only at this point) while LTE Band IV serves eastern Canada on Freedom.
If you are the type that likes to customize your ROMS, you will want a phone BOOTLOADER unlocked or BOOTLOADER unlockable like the T-mobile LG V20, G5, and other phones.
The problem with T-mobile phones in regards to SIM unlocking (i.e. using a ROGERS or EE or Orange SIM) is that the use a Device Unlock app (this has several requirements that have to be met before the phone can be unlocked. One of which it has to be on the T-mobile network for 40 days before it's even eligible).
See http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_v20-8238.php for the details of the various models but it looks like that:
Both the H918 and US996 (not sure if that is the same as H996) have that particular 3G Band (so both will work on T-mobile and Freedom (that uses BAND IV exclusively for it's 3G).
So far, the H918 (T-mobile) and the H915 (Freedom) band 66 are not accessible (I'm guessing a future software update will fix that).
The Freedom Mobile version is not BOOTLOADER unlockable (I already tried) though if someone has found another way to get root, then you should be able to put on custom roms or delete the things from the stock rom you don't like or use (I usually do the latter).
The H918 does have FM radio (not sure about the H915 or other models; otherwise, should be basically same (except the phone radio which determines the frequencies and networks you can access).
Hope this helps.
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The H918 (and some other models as well) have the Band IV or AWS or 1700/1900 on the 3G/3G+/HSPA/HSPA+ frequency set (this Band IV in the 3G band only affects 3G). T-mobile uses Band IV on it's 3G network as well as the same 3G bands as AT&T, Bell, ROGERS, Telus (and Canada's little three including Koodo, Virgin Mobile, and FIDO) (for a long while, T-mobile only had the Band IV in 3G set which is why T-mobile needed it's own phone (but most of this has been replaced by LTE (4G, 4G LTE).
The Band 66 serves as one of the LTE bands on T-mobile and Freedom Mobile in Canada (western Canada only at this point) while LTE Band IV serves eastern Canada on Freedom.
If you are the type that likes to customize your ROMS, you will want a phone BOOTLOADER unlocked or BOOTLOADER unlockable like the T-mobile LG V20, G5, and other phones.
The problem with T-mobile phones in regards to SIM unlocking (i.e. using a ROGERS or EE or Orange SIM) is that the use a Device Unlock app (this has several requirements that have to be met before the phone can be unlocked. One of which it has to be on the T-mobile network for 40 days before it's even eligible).
See http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_v20-8238.php for the details of the various models but it looks like that:
Both the H918 and US996 (not sure if that is the same as H996) have that particular 3G Band (so both will work on T-mobile and Freedom (that uses BAND IV exclusively for it's 3G).
So far, the H918 (T-mobile) and the H915 (Freedom) band 66 are not accessible (I'm guessing a future software update will fix that).
The Freedom Mobile version is not BOOTLOADER unlockable (I already tried) though if someone has found another way to get root, then you should be able to put on custom roms or delete the things from the stock rom you don't like or use (I usually do the latter).
The H918 does have FM radio (not sure about the H915 or other models; otherwise, should be basically same (except the phone radio which determines the frequencies and networks you can access).
Hope this helps.
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Oh wow! Thanks so much for the info, I had to read it a couple of times to understand....it's all so confusing!
So basically, I should be sending the T-Mobile one back (H918) and keep/repair the US996....I am in Eastern Canada (Toronto) and don't plan on going west anytime soon, ha ha! I'm fine with keeping it stock too....just as long as it works on Freedom, I'm cool!
Thanks again!!!!
You wouldn't by any chance be interested in a trade would you? Brand new US996 for your H918?
I'm thinking about getting an N9860 since it seems to be the cheapest Snapdragon option for a Note 20 Ultra.
This phone appears to support all the necessary bands for my carrier (Koodo) in Canada except LTE band 17. I live in a big city so this low-ish frequency band will be important for reception in areas with building density.
I've seen discussions around changing the CSC to potentially unlock additional bands, but I'm having trouble understanding whether that means all Snapdragon models support the same bands.
Could anyone provide clarification about this? Has anyone managed to unlock band 17 on this HK/CN model?
AFAIK, you can not unlock bands. I'm in Canada too but with Fido and Korean N986N. No band 17, but the reception has been fine so far aside from VOLTE and wifi calling not working.