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So, apparently, it is still not supported and Google has no solution yet.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2275..._details_emerge_the_little_things_add_up.html
This detail, which came out in conversations I had with Google engineers today, explains why the Android file system organization is, well, a mess, and why I’ve had such inconsistent experiences with Android and removable storage across the various Honeycomb tablets I’ve tried (and I’ve tried all of them that are available so far).
“We don’t want to expose the user to file locations,” explained Hiroshi Lockheimer, director of engineering at Google. “How do you manage that as a user? The not-good answer is with the file browser.” Lockheimer says that many of the experiences I’ve seen so far are what individual hardware manufacturers have enabled, as opposed to what Google has provided natively. The good thing is that Lockheimer says Google is looking at ways to do this; but the problem hasn’t been solved yet.
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Is it me or does that say nothing still?
Google says they don't want to give you a file browser / file explorer / file manager.
Fine - there's plenty of third party apps to that on the market - but why not fix the SD card slot support?
Although I agree that some of the structure stuff is a bit of a mess - there's lots of random folders created on the SD card, like .android_secure, .bookmark_thumb etc. that you probably don't want end users seeing.
At least now it's clear that it's Google who has to fix the SD Card issue and not Motorola.
poisike said:
At least now it's clear that it's Google who has to fix the SD Card issue and not Motorola.
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I honestly didn't read that at all...?
I read that google were working on some sort of file manager, not SD card? am I misreading it? as far as I can see file manager, and SD card are separate issues?
also the transformer, and custom kernels have the sd card slot working, so not sure who is at fault for the xoom
Why is there a difference between the tablet and the phones?
I have access to the SD Card and file system there.
Not like every Windows user on the planet has never seen "My Computer". Organizing files is not some obscure concept that is to high level for users.
From what I can understand:
USB file system means the OS access the usb disk in block level which the app (file browser) will have access to the full path of the file.
The one that is supported by Honeycomb right now is MTP. This is totally different compared to USB. The actual file system is implemented by the device, not by the computer's operating system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Transfer_Protocol
My prediction, this USB thing will be solved by the upcoming ICE CREAM SANDWICH.
Because by then, phone and tablet are merged ... everything which is supported by phone (like SD card) must be supported by tablet.
So, yeah, we must wait till end of this year or early next year (worse case).
Still, it is too long for Motorola with their "promise", no?
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Very true - but I think the problem may lie with the Xoom using the MTP instead?
or is that a load of rubbish?
Eitherway, I guess from the Google point of view - they want it simple and try and hide the stuff they don't want n00bs messing with (a bit like Apple hide everything too so all their iOS are n00b proof!)
Also Phones open up to mass storage straight to the card - you don't get access to the internal memory at all. Whereas with the Xoom you would want access to that because there's loads of space there
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My prediction, this USB thing will be solved by the upcoming ICE CREAM SANDWICH.
Because by then, phone and tablet are merged ... everything which is supported by phone (like SD card) must be supported by tablet.
So, yeah, we must wait till end of this year or early next year (worse case).
Still, it is too long for Motorola with their "promise", no?
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What about just fixing the kernel like timat's - that'd do the same job for now
Still don't understand why they would slack on getting the SD card implemented. They have so much riding on honeycomb success. And the LTE radio needs to get installed too. Time to ramp it up.
I agree they should be able to enable it considering one of our own has already done so with a custom a kernel, I still love my xoom though!
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mwaychoff said:
I agree they should be able to enable it considering one of our own has already done so with a custom a kernel, I still love my xoom though!
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agree completely.
and the LTE thing is running on awhile now - didnt someone say that the samsung tab 10.1 might beat Xoom to be the first LTE HC tab if Moto don't buck up?
Who needs google when you have bigrushdog?
Just did the 3.1 update and SD card slot still doesn't work. I thought it would've fixed this.
Yea, I read that article yesterday. It has NOTHING to do with the sdcard support.
Google was explaining why android in general has a fairly chaotic/unintuitive filesystem structure... NOT why they haven't biuld in support for SD.
it was well known this update was not addressing the sd slot. No wjere not one single ppace has google or moto saidnthe sd lotbwil not be active by the deadline they stated. They could give us slot access right now but the issue is as has been aluded to they would either have to give full file sys access or no file access like the phones. For those that will say it doesn't matter give us access. It matters to them as they will be creating huge issues with tech support by the much larger majority of users that would delete things that would kill or hamper the device. I mean even on here you have tons of people that can't follow clear simple directons to flash an update without screwing it up some how. Can you imagine Suzzy home maker or joe the guy who can not figure out how to do a windows update would do with full access. My guess is they will be doing a update with a file manager and permision set so nothing past the sdcard parent folder can be accessed and programs installed will have premissions set to prevent accidental delete without going into the file manger settings to change them to allow change of permisions.
This will solve both the issues and allow both sd card and internal storage access without opening up the core files to tinkering by BDUs
This is a stock, unrooted Nook Color I bought on Craigslist. I bought it from somebody by calling the number, not emailing them and I no longer have their number. Apparently the only way I can register the device is for the person who registered it to call Barnes and Noble, add a credit card to the account, and say they want it deregistered. I have no way of contacting the person, am I out of luck? I sold it on eBay to someone without knowing this would happen and I really don't want them to have to return it. I read around a bit but found no solution short of rooting it which they can't do themselves.
Thanks, Cory
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This is a stock, unrooted Nook Color I bought on Craigslist. I bought it from somebody by calling the number, not emailing them and I no longer have their number. Apparently the only way I can register the device is for the person who registered it to call Barnes and Noble, add a credit card to the account, and say they want it deregistered. I have no way of contacting the person, am I out of luck? I sold it on eBay to someone without knowing this would happen and I really don't want them to have to return it. I read around a bit but found no solution short of rooting it which they can't do themselves.
Thanks, Cory
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I had a very similar experience but luckily I still had the previous owner's email address and she was kind enough to call the B&N 800 number to deregister it for me.
With that said, I've read somewhere there was some magical "factory reset" that could deregister the device but I can't remember where.
You say the current owner who you sold it to can't root it. Why? If the answer is "because they're not very technical..." then perhaps you could assist them (I don't know how invested you are in helping them) in the rooting process?
I have several 2GB microSD cards that are bootable that have ClockworkMod Recovery on them with the last stable CyanogenMod 7.1 and Google Apps files on them ready to flash. Even if somebody wasn't very technical I can't imagine it would be very hard to help them if they had one of these cards or another one you or someone else could make and send to them?
Anyway, PM me if you want one of my pre-made cards. I'm only asking for $8/each (only with Paypal). I also have a 8GB card I'll let go for $12 if that's more attractive.
The person doesn't want it rooted, I asked. She got offended when I asked...
EDIT: I explained it more to her and she seemed to understand. With your MicroSD card, is it just putting in the SD card to get it to boot into Android? Thanks.
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The person doesn't want it rooted, I asked. She got offended when I asked...
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That stinks. I guess try to be honest with the buyer. I guess there are some benefits to the stock ROM like using it for children's books, etc., so maybe they have a valid reason. The word "root" might just be scary too.
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The person doesn't want it rooted, I asked. She got offended when I asked...
EDIT: I explained it more to her and she seemed to understand. With your MicroSD card, is it just putting in the SD card to get it to boot into Android? Thanks.
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It's not "that easy"
You put in the card and it boots into ClockworkMod. The user then would have to select the update file to install and then when it's finished pop the sd card out and then reboot it. Then after it boots (or while the boot animation is playing) they would pop the card back in. Then after the NC is finished loading they would (if they don't want it to always boot off of the card) rename the 4 boot files on the card (like adding .bak on the end of each). You may not have to rename all 4 files but I do just for giggles. I do this instead of deleting them so if I need to boot off the card then I just have to rename them back and remove the .bak from each.
mlo --> mlo.bak
u-boot.bin --> u-boot.bin.bak
uImage --> uImage.bak
uRamdisk --> uRamdisk.bak
There is an auto-install image in the Development forum but I liked having more control. So I made these cards with ClockworkMod and included the last stable CM 7.1 along with the last Google Apps and the Amazon App Store apk just for good measure.
If you want to take a crack at creating a auto-install sd card the instructions in the Dev forum are pretty easy to follow.
Okay, thanks, I'm waiting for her to let me know if its' okay.
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sjmoreno said:
I had a very similar experience but luckily I still had the previous owner's email address and she was kind enough to call the B&N 800 number to deregister it for me.
With that said, I've read somewhere there was some magical "factory reset" that could deregister the device but I can't remember where.
You say the current owner who you sold it to can't root it. Why? If the answer is "because they're not very technical..." then perhaps you could assist them (I don't know how invested you are in helping them) in the rooting process?
I have several 2GB microSD cards that are bootable that have ClockworkMod Recovery on them with the last stable CyanogenMod 7.1 and Google Apps files on them ready to flash. Even if somebody wasn't very technical I can't imagine it would be very hard to help them if they had one of these cards or another one you or someone else could make and send to them?
Anyway, PM me if you want one of my pre-made cards. I'm only asking for $8/each (only with Paypal). I also have a 8GB card I'll let go for $12 if that's more attractive.
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Sorry for reviving an old thread, but I'd like to know if you still have that 8gb card, I'd really like to purchase it.
Dragarien said:
Sorry for reviving an old thread, but I'd like to know if you still have that 8gb card, I'd really like to purchase it.
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ebay it or PM him
sd card
sjmoreno said:
I had a very similar experience but luckily I still had the previous owner's email address and she was kind enough to call the B&N 800 number to deregister it for me.
With that said, I've read somewhere there was some magical "factory reset" that could deregister the device but I can't remember where.
You say the current owner who you sold it to can't root it. Why? If the answer is "because they're not very technical..." then perhaps you could assist them (I don't know how invested you are in helping them) in the rooting process?
I have several 2GB microSD cards that are bootable that have ClockworkMod Recovery on them with the last stable CyanogenMod 7.1 and Google Apps files on them ready to flash. Even if somebody wasn't very technical I can't imagine it would be very hard to help them if they had one of these cards or another one you or someone else could make and send to them?
Anyway, PM me if you want one of my pre-made cards. I'm only asking for $8/each (only with Paypal). I also have a 8GB card I'll let go for $12 if that's more attractive.
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do u still have some 8gb cards left my mother in law is having the same problem. please let me know if u can help. thanks...
The secret to modifying files on the SD card is in theMediaStore*class. It's a*Content Provider*with access to the database built by the Media Scanner. This is mostly useful to apps like the gallery and music players, but anything that wants to see locally stored images, audio, or video will probably use it.
We’re really interested in a child class calledMediaStore.Files. Its job is to give links (URIs) to apps so they can query the database for files on a specific storage device. Through this mechanism, developers can get a specially crafted link that can be used to open a file with write access.
It seems that this method works because the links actually call on the Media Store to open and edit files. Since the Media Store runs with system privileges, it is free to make changes on external storage devices. In essence, apps are able to masquerade as a system service for the purpose of writing to the SD card.
Total Commander*appears to be the first*to have discovered*and implemented this workaround. There are still a few known bugs and some devices, like the HTC One M8 with its /sdcard2 mount point, aren’t supported yet, but it’s almost completely working on the Note 3. While the code has been in Total Commander for quite some time, a*recently posted beta*cleaned up several bugs and makes it the best implementation we've seen.
Source: http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...ng-to-the-sd-card-on-kitkat-but-for-how-long/
Check out "Total Commander - file manager" - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ghisler.android.TotalCommander
I expect this will be too quickly fixed to get excited about.
What it needs is for Google to add a permission, even with loads of warnings and confirmations, to allow us to make our own choices - and allow the use of file managers and other apps that need access to the whole memory card.
I'm willing to take the risk Google!
But, this is Sony, so even if Mr. Google fixes it, it'll be sometime in 2015 before that appears on a Z1, if ever.
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Not sure if anyone else is aware of this?
I just got a Moto G & upgraded to Lollipoop & have put a 128gb micro sd card in & it works a treat. No problems so far.
Has anyone else tried a card above 32gb?
Yep, I wonder why they claim such limitations, I've been using a 64Gb micro SD for almost a year and no problem, no crazy formatting was needed or anything
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great to know it works on 128GB Sd cards, I was wondering, I might just try now
I received a 128gb SD Card as a gift in a store, i didn't even put it in my phone because i through it won't work, but in a day i was bored so i just put it in for the matters of testing and it worked. I don't know either why they say that "only 32 or 64gb are supported".
All sd sard bigger then 33 gb comes with Microsoft exfat file system as default and Microsoft have copyright of this file system to add support of this file system manufacturer need to buy licence for Microsoft so it wouldn't added to our phone but if you format it in fat32 it work without any issues.
Fat32 64bg sandisk works perfect
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All sd sard bigger then 33 gb comes with Microsoft exfat file system as default and Microsoft have copyright of this file system to add support of this file system manufacturer need to buy licence for Microsoft so it wouldn't added to our phone but if you format it in fat32 it work without any issues.
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Yes. You're right. I read somewhere that, OEMs do that to avoid royalty fee. If they claim their device supports 128GB they have to pay dome fee to Microsoft.
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Hello all.....I am trying to recover deleted text messages, pic/vid messages on my stock Samsung Galaxy S5, G-900A, running android 5.0 (lollipop). I have tried to utilize a few different android data recovery systems but all have failed in locating any of the deleted messages---likely because root access is required? I have looked everywhere and am under the impression that this particular phone still cannot be rooted due to the AT&T locked boot loader. I also understand that these types of deleted msg files can be overwritten with extend use after initial deletion, however, I am only concerned with messages to and from one particular person, and there hasn't been much use on the phone since they were deleted anyway. This was one of my company phones used by an employee and it is important that I recover these messages. In my conversations with the AT&T Legal Department I was informed that even with court ordered subpoena they do not have the actual messages to provide because they are "deleted from their servers within a few days", but they were able to provide me with the actual data/message/call logs---which doesn't really help me with the issue. I know that there has to be some way or method to locate and recover these messages-----PLEASE HELP------Thank you in advance.
Additionally, I would like to add that I am not at all concerned with any future functionability of this phone, not sure if that even matters---just thought maybe if there are any important apps/programs/functions were modified or deleted to gain access to these messages I am absolutely willing.
Also, is there any way to copy or save the phones hard drive to my computer and access these messages/files through another function on my laptop????
It's unlikely you can recover them, one thing you can try is imaging the phone as you mentioned though, I only know how you could do it in linux though so I'm not sure how much use that will be to you.
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Could probably get the text messages printed out from your carrier for a price
Rakuu said:
It's unlikely you can recover them, one thing you can try is imaging the phone as you mentioned though, I only know how you could do it in linux though so I'm not sure how much use that will be to you.
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Thank you very much.....Im not exactly sure what protocol is on this but I'm wondering if I could hire you or anyone else who might be interested to scan and locate these messages for me? I see that you live in houston, as do I; if it is possible to find these messages thru linux I certainly couldn't do it as I have no experience with that program/software.
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Thank you very much.....Im not exactly sure what protocol is on this but I'm wondering if I could hire you or anyone else who might be interested to scan and locate these messages for me? I see that you live in houston, as do I; if it is possible to find these messages thru linux I certainly couldn't do it as I have no experience with that program/software.
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Seems you might have less luck than I thought :/ this is what I could find about finding the messages https://cmanios.wordpress.com/2013/10/29/read-sms-directly-from-sqlite-database-in-android/ to get deleted ones though you'd have to recover the old db, which would be hard to do in and of itself with flash memory, and you'd be lucky to get anything out of what would likely be a partial database file, and that would be hard to read. On top of that, to get an image of anything, even unrooted user readable partitions(internal sd card) you need root, because the command can only be run from the phone it seems, since the phone is presently on 5.0 it's not possible to root it, so your chances are slim to none since no data recovery tool app on the phone would go to the location of the message db file, even if it did it would need root, and even then, to image the phone as far as I can tell also requires root. The only thing I can think of is removing the internal sd card, the ifixit teardown covers this kind of, the card isn't a standard microsd, so finding a way to mount it would be trivial(possibly re-soldering it to a usb?) , if you managed that though, then you might have a chance at attempting data recovery which as I mentioned earlier is already going to be 50/50. As for someone who you could pay for help with this, I can't think of any place, and I also would be of no help unfortunately, there may be someone on the forums or around town who will do it on their own behalf, as with before though I don't know anyone who could help with it though. All this said, it's all speculation for the most part, so I would wait for a second opinion by someone else before taking any action.
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Seems you might have less luck than I thought :/ this is what I could find about finding the messages https://cmanios.wordpress.com/2013/10/29/read-sms-directly-from-sqlite-database-in-android/ to get deleted ones though you'd have to recover the old db, which would be hard to do in and of itself with flash memory, and you'd be lucky to get anything out of what would likely be a partial database file, and that would be hard to read. On top of that, to get an image of anything, even unrooted user readable partitions(internal sd card) you need root, because the command can only be run from the phone it seems, since the phone is presently on 5.0 it's not possible to root it, so your chances are slim to none since no data recovery tool app on the phone would go to the location of the message db file, even if it did it would need root, and even then, to image the phone as far as I can tell also requires root. The only thing I can think of is removing the internal sd card, the ifixit teardown covers this kind of, the card isn't a standard microsd, so finding a way to mount it would be trivial(possibly re-soldering it to a usb?) , if you managed that though, then you might have a chance at attempting data recovery which as I mentioned earlier is already going to be 50/50. As for someone who you could pay for help with this, I can't think of any place, and I also would be of no help unfortunately, there may be someone on the forums or around town who will do it on their own behalf, as with before though I don't know anyone who could help with it though. All this said, it's all speculation for the most part, so I would wait for a second opinion by someone else before taking any action.
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I sure do appreciate all of your help and consideration......i sure wish there was some other/easier way to accomplish this...however, i have been able to put the micro-sd card into a larger converter card thing and view on my macbook pro---although there are many many empty folders when i try to access them. Is there a particular file reader that i could download on laptop that would show any invisible files and allow me to view them? Sorry for the amateur questions....thanks again for your help.
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I sure do appreciate all of your help and consideration......i sure wish there was some other/easier way to accomplish this...however, i have been able to put the micro-sd card into a larger converter card thing and view on my macbook pro---although there are many many empty folders when i try to access them. Is there a particular file reader that i could download on laptop that would show any invisible files and allow me to view them? Sorry for the amateur questions....thanks again for your help.
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The microsd card from the phone does not have any text messages as far as I know, won't help to look at that, you need the internal one used by the phone which is a soldered to the board.
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In fact , the lost Samsung can be recovered back depends on whether the messages is completely deleted from Samsung ,you can restore deleted messages from Samsung from Samsung SD card ,or Samsung Memory card ,In addition, the program is also apply to almost all Android devices, including HTC, LG, Sony, Motolora, Google and so on. Hope this can help.