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I was wondering if anybody could help answer a few questions about the Sprint S4 for me.
Currently I have an HTC Evo 3D, the internal storage is so small that I have made a 4gb ext3 partition on my SD card using Link2SD just to alleviate some of this annoyance. The 32GB counting the 4GB partition is actually almost full.
First of all, is there any word on a 32GB version? I saw some forum threads a while ago about Sprint supposedly not carring the 32+GB versions, but I saw no official word, if there has been one.
And also, how does the 16GB of internal work? The first time I saw a phone with large internal memory was the original Droid RAZR. And it basically partitioned off the majority of the space like a virtual SD card. Most to all apps on it saved to here instead of the actual SD card assuming it was an actual external storage. Does the S4 do this too, or is the entire 16GB (minus obviously what the system partitions take up) used as internal?
The reason I am asking is because I have many apps and games which download anywhere from 50MB to 3 gigs of additional data, and they almost never ask you where to download it, and just use the first "external" space they find, and many are hard-coded to only use that space. Like I said, my 32GB card on my Evo 3D is practically full, I do NOT not want those apps to install that data on the internal memory and fill it up, I want that space to keep the apps installed on, while photos, music, and video, as well as that app additional data, will be on the real SD card. I am planning to get a 64GB card for the S4.
Cyber Akuma said:
I was wondering if anybody could help answer a few questions about the Sprint S4 for me.
Currently I have an HTC Evo 3D, the internal storage is so small that I have made a 4gb ext3 partition on my SD card using Link2SD just to alleviate some of this annoyance. The 32GB counting the 4GB partition is actually almost full.
First of all, is there any word on a 32GB version? I saw some forum threads a while ago about Sprint supposedly not carring the 32+GB versions, but I saw no official word, if there has been one.
And also, how does the 16GB of internal work? The first time I saw a phone with large internal memory was the original Droid RAZR. And it basically partitioned off the majority of the space like a virtual SD card. Most to all apps on it saved to here instead of the actual SD card assuming it was an actual external storage. Does the S4 do this too, or is the entire 16GB (minus obviously what the system partitions take up) used as internal?
The reason I am asking is because I have many apps and games which download anywhere from 50MB to 3 gigs of additional data, and they almost never ask you where to download it, and just use the first "external" space they find, and many are hard-coded to only use that space. Like I said, my 32GB card on my Evo 3D is practically full, I do NOT not want those apps to install that data on the internal memory and fill it up, I want that space to keep the apps installed on, while photos, music, and video, as well as that app additional data, will be on the real SD card. I am planning to get a 64GB card for the S4.
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The way samsung does it is actually very anoying. First thing they do is cut off 8.5 gigs of storage, thats your "internal memory" for system stuff. That's untouchable. You then have 9gigs give or take left for apps and the like which is EMULATED external storage. This emulated bit confuses android and so your real external sd card is only usable for movies and music. The only way to put apps on it would be to root your phone and use folder mount (which for some reason isn't working for me yet). So to sum it up:
16gb +ext sd card (lets say 32 gb)
8ish gb- system internal
9ish gb-apps EMULATED external
32 gb- movies, music, books/media BUT NO APPS UNLESS YOU ROOT REAL external
AAAAUUUUGGGHHHHH!</CharlieBrown>
Wow, I can not possibly think of a worse way for Samsung to handle it. The low internal memory giving me problems installing and updating apps was a major reason for wanting to upgrade. With this, it means I actually have less space for apps than my current phone, since I can't actually install to SD and the apps that download hundreds of megs to gigs of additonal data will be downlioading it to the internal instead of external.
I... honestly have no idea which phone to get now.
I know the Sprint S4 is unlocked, is there any way to use rooted tools or a custom rom to just make the memory internal and make it mount a SD as an actual SD? I am worried that unofficial roms might be lacking in features or glitchy.
Cyber Akuma said:
AAAAUUUUGGGHHHHH!</CharlieBrown>
Wow, I can not possibly think of a worse way for Samsung to handle it. The low internal memory giving me problems installing and updating apps was a major reason for wanting to upgrade. With this, it means I actually have less space for apps than my current phone, since I can't actually install to SD and the apps that download hundreds of megs to gigs of additonal data will be downlioading it to the internal instead of external.
I... honestly have no idea which phone to get now.
I know the Sprint S4 is unlocked, is there any way to use rooted tools or a custom rom to just make the memory internal and make it mount a SD as an actual SD? I am worried that unofficial roms might be lacking in features or glitchy.
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Well this is an issue with all honeycomb plus android phones. Google is trying to phase out the external sd card while increasing the internal memory. Well that's all good and fine EXCEPT that we are right in the middle of the phase out process where the sd cards are too small for that. 2-3 years from now googles plan will work, but samsung has to be on board for that to happen. For now the only thing you can do is use folder mount or wait for ext2intSD script. It will swap it so your external sdcard works as your internal and vice versa. However, we will have to wait for that to be released.
I don't get what phasing out the SD slot has to do with emulating the external SD storage when all apps can work on internal storage anyway.
What is folder-mount? And I tried link2sd on my evo 3d and its kinda problematic, I wanted to get AWAY from these problems by upgrading.
Cyber Akuma said:
I don't get what phasing out the SD slot has to do with emulating the external SD storage when all apps can work on internal storage anyway.
What is folder-mount? And I tried link2sd on my evo 3d and its kinda problematic, I wanted to get AWAY from these problems by upgrading.
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The reason why is that android its self, the code that google supplies, has to create partitions in order for it to work with only one internal sdcard so that the average user does not corrupt the system somehow. The emulated external storage is what google expects you to use so that you can't mess up. However, samsung just adds in an sdcard without changing anything which means its not set up correctly. This is a problem with all new sd card phones and finally think of folder mount as a better link2sd
But aren't the system partition and the internal storage partition separate partitions? I don't understand why the rest of the memory outside of the system partition needs to be an emulated external instead of just being an internal storage partition like on phones that do not have a large amount of internal memory.
Also, why do we have to link folders or use link2sd scripts and other such work-arounds? Can't we re-partition the internal memory with a custom recovery or through the bootloader?
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not work brother
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.... what? I have no idea what that means.
So, can the phone be repartitioned if you have root access? And is only the Sprint version partitioned like this, or all of them?
I have a 128 gb class 10 SD card. If I use it as internal can I still copy my 45gb of music through my computer?
Also what happened to the move to SD card option for apps?
I've also notice with Google play music you can't select SD card as storage for offline music.
I was pretty excited about this feature but I'm a little disappointed.
Maybe if I explore it a bit more I'll figure it out.
Spacemonkie4207 said:
I have a 128 gb class 10 SD card. If I use it as internal can I still copy my 45gb of music through my computer?
Also what happened to the move to SD card option for apps?
I've also notice with Google play music you can't select SD card as storage for offline music.
I was pretty excited about this feature but I'm a little disappointed.
Maybe if I explore it a bit more I'll figure it out.
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If you connect your Play (with adaptive storage active) to a computer via usb the computer cannot seem to veiw anything on the phone. So you can't copy anything to the phone. Not very good really.
If you go settings, apps and then select an app you then select storage of that app and you have the option to move the app from there. That said not all apps have the storage option including Google Play Music. I do find that MM manages storage between internal and the sd card very well when adaptive storage is used. It's not perfect though. My next phone will be bigger than 16gb which is silly in this day and age. Relying on cloud storage is all well and good but can be useless in some rural locations (UK) with no data service signal.
I'm a little disappointed but on the whole I've got past the limited storage of a 16gb phone. Note to self - don't EVER buy a 16gb phone again. The music thing I get round by using Google Music and Spotify. You can copy music to your phone via such as Solid Explorer and move music from your cloud service (Drive, dropbox etc) to your phone. Solid Explorer and others can see folders and files on your phone.
You should be able to set the "Storage Location" in the Downloading section of Google Music's settings screen. Perhaps setting your SD card as internal memory removes your ability to select it though.
Spacemonkie4207 said:
I have a 128 gb class 10 SD card. If I use it as internal can I still copy my 45gb of music through my computer?
Also what happened to the move to SD card option for apps?
I've also notice with Google play music you can't select SD card as storage for offline music.
I was pretty excited about this feature but I'm a little disappointed.
Maybe if I explore it a bit more I'll figure it out.
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Move to SD card option is gone with MM.
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K.khiladi said:
Move to SD card option is gone with MM.
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Can I use my card as internal but somehow copy my music to it?
Chaotic-Entropy said:
You should be able to set the "Storage Location" in the Downloading section of Google Music's settings screen. Perhaps setting your SD card as internal memory removes your ability to select it though.
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Yeah it does, option is gone with sd card as internal. Hopefully they fix it.
Spacemonkie4207 said:
Can I use my card as internal but somehow copy my music to it?
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The move to SD card option won't be back now until Google wants that and that doesn't seem happening.
You can't do anything with your card once it's formatted as internal storage. The system will automatically decide what to do.
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K.khiladi said:
The move to SD card option won't be back now until Google wants that and that doesn't seem happening.
You can't do anything with your card once it's formatted as internal storage. The system will automatically decide what to do.
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I've heard it can kill the SD card very quickly because of cache and number of reads and writes. How much truth is there to this?
Anyone else is having problems formatting his sd card as internal storage in marshmallow? my phone gets stuck at 30% formatting and never finishes, and i tried factory resetting. Formatting as portable storage works just fine.
any ideas?
Just wondering... Which size? I would assume that there could be a max size per partition...
Spacemonkie4207 said:
I've heard it can kill the SD card very quickly because of cache and number of reads and writes. How much truth is there to this?
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Not much, the card might be worn out quicker but your still looking at 3 to 5 years with heavy writes and by that time you will probably have changed phone.
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Just wondering... Which size? I would assume that there could be a max size per partition...
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64 gb, but i've heard people with other devices that managed to make it work with 128gb cards
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About the adoptable storage in Android M and its work description (basing on analysis of upstream AOSP M code i did some time ago; note that there may be little differences depending on changes done by phone vendors for different devices).
There are 2 possible states of external storage (SD card in particular), the second one being available only if it is enabled in device configuration before build:
- portable - only accessible with Storage Access Framework and file browser in Settings app; most of the media apps won't see media files stored on external storage, as media scanner is disabled for this type of storage
- internal - external storage is wiped and encrypted with the same key as the very device (so factory reset will cause data loss, as then encryption key is changed, and after moving the storage to other device it content will be unavailable); this one has two substates
- - data not migrated: apps data and user data is being kept on internal storage; only internal storage is visible via MTP; if I remember correctly, external storage can be used only for moving apps installation on it in this case
- - data migrated: apps data and user data is moved to external storage and it replaces internal storage for user and app data storing; only external storage is visible via MTP (internal storage is used only for keeping system files and apps installations in this case); I would recommend not formatting SD card this way if it has lower capacity than internal storage.
About the issue of never ending formatting as internal: as the data is fully wiped from the card, new filesystem is created, and there is an overhead for encryption, this operation is time consuming. By default there is quite short timeout set for the operation, and if it is hit, formatting as internal will be aborted (leaving card in broken state). I suggest getting very fast card for this use (especially if it has high capacity), so for 128G the ones that people get to work were most probably ones with around 90+MB/s R/W performance.
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Can I use my card as internal but somehow copy my music to it?
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Yes. I was wrong earlier in this post. If you plug your phone into computer then from drop down menu on phone select MTP rather than charge only, you can then see all files on sd card. You should be able to copy files across as usual. Seems to work on mine with adaptive storage enabled. You can only see files on the sd card and not internal memory.
I have bought a 64gb sd card with 90MB/s read and 80 MB/s write. I hope it works now.
I formatted my SD card as internal but ran out of space. Although storage showed I had 50+ GB free I couldn't install anything.
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You can move some apps to sd card which will free up some space on internal. Not all apps give you the option though. I reverted back from adaptive storage.
Apps like Spotify don't save music data to "adopted" SD card. Google Music seems to have similar issue. I keep my music content on the SD card - do that is a bit of an issue for me that Google "hates" my SD card .
Maybe this issue will be resolved in future android/app updates.
One thing - Change your storage for pictures taken through camera to SD card
Also move songs that you download to SD card as they get stored to internal storage.
Dont format your SD card if you want to see the data in your SD card on pc and file managers.
Let the apps install on internal.
Try to move every other data to SD card periodically.
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habskilla said:
I formatted my SD card as internal but ran out of space. Although storage showed I had 50+ GB free I couldn't install anything.
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Thats bonkers, i thought the whole point of adopted storage was you just ended up with one bigger lump of memory.
So I'm new to this whole SD card thing, I've only owned the s6, which obviously, didn't support expandable storage. So my question is - is it possible to move apps onto the SD card slot? I understand there might be a performance hit, but for a lot of apps, I can careless about the performance of the storage on it.
I saw there was a "move to sd card" option for applications on the galaxy s5 - will there be something similar here?
Nope, don't believe so. If it's anything like past devices though, app data can be saved to SD card. Camera can capture to SD, spotify can download tracks to SD, GPS navigation apps can download maps to SD, etc. Main app files will be on main 32GB memory
mikesnav said:
Nope, don't believe so. If it's anything like past devices though, app data can be saved to SD card. Camera can capture to SD, spotify can download tracks to SD, GPS navigation apps can download maps to SD, etc. Main app files will be on main 32GB memory
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Thank you. That's good news all around. Now if only some games would store their data on the sd cards.
I currently move apps to my sd card on the Galaxy S5;, using a utility called "All in one toolbox". It allows me to move apps so they run off of my micro SD card. Does anyone know if this will work with the Galaxy S7 edge?
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Nope, don't believe so. If it's anything like past devices though, app data can be saved to SD card. Camera can capture to SD, spotify can download tracks to SD, GPS navigation apps can download maps to SD, etc. Main app files will be on main 32GB memory
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But, if it is anything like past devices, it could have an option to "move app to SD". Has the removal of this feature been confirmed yet? We all know Adoptable Storage is gone, but what about App to SD? Is it confirmed missing, or are we just speculating?
Running MM on my S5 and the Adoptable Storage works so well, I hope Samsung change the mined about this.
Dr. Fed said:
But, if it is anything like past devices, it could have an option to "move app to SD". Has the removal of this feature been confirmed yet? We all know Adoptable Storage is gone, but what about App to SD? Is it confirmed missing, or are we just speculating?
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Pretty sure App2SD has been a mod / specific vendor addition since... a long time now. That hasn't been a part of Android for years. Removed in Jellybean maybe?
I don't know if Samsung has specifically written this in with the S7, sorry.
I'm pretty sure I heard one of the dudes who did a first impressions on it that an upcoming feature in marshmallow will allow to merge SD card storage with internal .... No idea how credible the dude is though
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I'm pretty sure I heard one of the dudes who did a first impressions on it that an upcoming feature in marshmallow will allow to merge SD card storage with internal .... No idea how credible the dude is though
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That is a Marshmallow feature but Google has encouraged manufacturers to remove that feature. The LG G5 and the Samsung S7 phones do not have it.
David Ruddock from Android Police says.
"Google discourages using adoptable storage if:
Your SD card slot is in an area where it may be regularly ejected (i.e., the SIM slot) and/or your phone has "sufficient" internal storage already, which is probably these days 32GB or more. Adoptable storage is apparently intended as a feature for phones with very limited internal storage and for stationary, IoT types of devices.
LG has done the same, and does not have adoptable storage on the G5."
PDXMatt said:
That is a Marshmallow feature but Google has encouraged manufacturers to remove that feature. The LG G5 and the Samsung S7 phones do not have it.
David Ruddock from Android Police says.
"Google discourages using adoptable storage if:
Your SD card slot is in an area where it may be regularly ejected (i.e., the SIM slot) and/or your phone has "sufficient" internal storage already, which is probably these days 32GB or more. Adoptable storage is apparently intended as a feature for phones with very limited internal storage and for stationary, IoT types of devices.
LG has done the same, and does not have adoptable storage on the G5."
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Is it something that be acquire through rooting?
I've got the option to move apps to SD straight out of the box. Go to the Apps, find the app, go to Storage. It's there. Not every app has it but lots do.
Apps on SD Cards Disappearing from Edge
I was able to move some downloaded apps to the SD card. Then I put a few on the Apps Edge. But I found that, if I reboot or power off/on, the apps (not just the icon, but the apps themselves) disappear from the Edge. Has anyone else seen this?
You can do it through adoptable storage:
https://youtu.be/H31UOrXJKH4
I got my S7 Edge yesterday & love it.
However I'm having trouble transferring apps to the SD card. In my case, I can successfully move the app via the Application | Change Storage Location option BUT when I look at the SD card in a file manager, it has only moved the folder structure & the app files remain in internal storage.
Anyone know what the hell is going on?
Cheers.
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I got my S7 Edge yesterday & love it.
However I'm having trouble transferring apps to the SD card. In my case, I can successfully move the app via the Application | Change Storage Location option BUT when I look at the SD card in a file manager, it has only moved the folder structure & the app files remain in internal storage.
Anyone know what the hell is going on?
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I am having the exact same issue. Says it moves the apps, but the internal storage and SD card usages do not reflect this; the corresponding directories on the SD are size 0 and empty as well.
go to settings/aplication manager. find the app you want to see if it can go to SD and go to Storage. There you can see if there is Change button .
i mooved many apps to my SD but when i restart my phone i didnt had worked apps.
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go to settings/aplication manager. find the app you want to see if it can go to SD and go to Storage. There you can see if there is Change button .
i mooved many apps to my SD but when i restart my phone i didnt had worked apps.
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Sorry but the only thing that happens is a folder is created on the SD to store the app. data. Nobodies apps are moving over to the SD card.
Can someone check the ability to transfer apps to the SD card? I have a Verizon S7 Edge, when I transfer an app to the SD card it says it moves but nothing seems to happen. The amount to storage on the card doesn't change and no new files are created. I have tried this with Audible and Strava.
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Can someone check the ability to transfer apps to the SD card? I have a Verizon S7 Edge, when I transfer an app to the SD card it says it moves but nothing seems to happen. The amount to storage on the card doesn't change and no new files are created. I have tried this with Audible and Strava.
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Yes, seems to be broken for me as well, it says to move and also shows it being on the external sd in the application manager afterwards, but the taken storage is the same on internal and external. It did create the subfolder in Android/obb for me on the external sd, but it was empty. I also tried to move the file within the folder by hand into the folder on the external, but the game simply wouldn't load afterwards (tried it with Implosion), just stayed on a black screen after the first starting screen.
Ok, found the problem, when you move the app from internal storage to external sd from within settings - > applications, it moves parts of the app from the internal data folder to the Android folder on the internal sd, what is pretty pointless...
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You could enable Adoptable Storage so that some of your external SD card will be used for internal memory: http://www.modaco.com/news/android/heres-how-to-configure-adoptable-storage-on-your-s7-s7-edge-r1632/
I know, but even while i have a class 10 card, i don't want the speed impact when putting all on the sd, also I'd like to use the internal storage to its full potential and just put some certain apps to the external sd, but thanks anyways.
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Samsung disabled the adaptive storage option. Here is the response I got from Samsung on the app data issue. I looks like they know the data isn't moving.
"I have checked our resources and found that whenever an app is moved to the SD card, only the app and the dependencies of the application for the Operating System to identify the app on the SD card are only moved. Data associated with the app is not moved to the SD card.
Let’s hope that our future updates should allow the user to move the apps data to the SD card along with the app.
I would have surely helped you if there was any other option to move the apps data to the SD card.
I appreciate your time in writing to us. "
Argh, how annoying is this? My s7 is doing exactly the same. Nothing is actually being transferred to the sd card with their move to sd tool! I'm glad I bought a 64gb card especially (not) grrr!
Just had a thought. Has anyone tried this with an encrypted SD card? Maybe that's why....
Hi everyone,
I just bought a Micro SD evo+ (Samsung 64 GB) for my moto G plus. I formatted it as an internal storage. I moved few of my apps. However, I dont know how to move music and photos. There is no option for that. In the SD card menu, when I click on migrate data, it says "There was an error in estimating the data to be moved".
I was wondering if anyone can help me please.
Kind regards
I'm seeing that same error message when I try to migrate data on my G4. Has anyone any idea what's causing this and how to fix?
It's due to the security features of Marshmallow.
There is no permission for direct write access to sd card by default.
I had to format my SD card as a portable storage in order to migrate my photos and music. However, in that case, App data cannot be saved on the sd card. As an internal storage, the Apps can be saved on sd card but I could not migrate my photos and music. It is posdible that it has something to do with the Marshmallow security. I have also heard that such issue exists for 64 FB cards. I d be certain if one could try a 32 GB sd card.
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I had to format my SD card as a portable storage in order to migrate my photos and music. However, in that case, App data cannot be saved on the sd card. As an internal storage, the Apps can be saved on sd card but I could not migrate my photos and music. It is posdible that it has something to do with the Marshmallow security. I have also heard that such issue exists for 64 FB cards. I d be certain if one could try a 32 GB sd card.
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For the same reason Azal3a mentioned above, that's the way it works.
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I have exactly the same issue with my 128gb Samsung Evo card, but I also tried SanDisk 32gb and this didn't work
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It's due to the security features of Marshmallow.
There is no permission for direct write access to sd card by default.
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But is there a solution? How do you actually make it work?
When you format the SD as "internal storage" you don't have a SD anymore, it's all one big storage space.
If you format the SD normal, then the photo and video app (and other apps like maps) might let you save on the SD - will be inside each app settings. But the apps cannot be moved on SD.
My experience with it is same as above. If you format it as internal it makes it added as virtual drive space. Kinda like adding an external drive to an Xbox. It make it virtual hard drive. Formating at removable makes it slower but an be used as raw storage standalone and removable.
SoNic67 said:
When you format the SD as "internal storage" you don't have a SD anymore, it's all one big storage space.
If you format the SD normal, then the photo and video app (and other apps like maps) might let you save on the SD - will be inside each app settings. But the apps cannot be moved on SD.
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LOL, this has been discussed dozens of times on XDA going back to the Moto G3. Even with it used as internal, there is actually very little space it will save you when you discount system apps and the apps that developers block from installing to the SD.
Actually people don't realize that they need a premium SD to even come close of the speed that internal storage has. They buy crappy SD from eBay and expect to launch apps from that... ridiculous. That's why MM imposed those restrictions.
To be used as adopted storage, the SD needs to be at least "UHS I, class 3", with 90MB/s read and write speeds.
Thanks for the useless reply. While it is true that performance will be better with faster cards there's no definite reason other cards should not be able to be used and your reply does nothing to address the original posters question. Has anyone found a solution or shall I look into wiping my phone and installing ubuntu?
Kambiz983 said:
Hi everyone,
I just bought a Micro SD evo+ (Samsung 64 GB) for my moto G plus. I formatted it as an internal storage. I moved few of my apps. However, I dont know how to move music and photos. There is no option for that. In the SD card menu, when I click on migrate data, it says "There was an error in estimating the data to be moved".
I was wondering if anyone can help me please.
Kind regards
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Try clearing cache and then migrate.