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Hey folks,
Back when I got the Nexus 7 originally, I loved most things about it, except for the missing SD card slot, missing rear camera, low resolution screen, and relatively small 16GB storage limit, and most importantly the washed out colors on the screen! The new operating system was rock solid though, and performance of the Tegra 3 was pretty impressive at the time, and I was pretty happy with it overall.
I just upgraded my Nexus 7 today, to Android 4.2 using ADB sideload. It worked flawlessly, and the upgrade process on the Tegra 3 took only a few minutes. It was very fast compared to even my Galaxy Nexus. One of the things I noticed as I started using it, is that the colors seemed a lot more saturated, and the overall contrast seemed very professional looking, and not like the washed out colors from before.
I'm wondering if this is just a case of me wanting to see something that's not there, but I figured I would post to see if anyone else noticed a difference. All in all, the Nexus 7 LCD looks a LOT better on Android 4.2 than it did in prior versions.
What say you?
New Nexus devices seem to have low contrast for some reason, on mine it really depends on the day but looks much better on 4.2.
Is there chance for a picture? Some screens might have been badly manufactured.
Here's a thread that might help [XDA]: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1773437
definitely not fixed in 4.2...
colors still washed out!
but black fonts are fatter - so it´s a little better to read on white backgrounds...
I'm surprised that more people aren't concerned about the washed out colors. It's really a poor display, and I'm hoping that the Nexus 10 doesn't have the same problem. That would be a waste of a nice 300ppi LCD panel. I was encouraged when that one "display expert" came out and spoke out against the Nexus 7's LCD, because I thought I was the only one, but even he got shot down a little bit.
Are people really not that picky about their display? I guess I'm just a very visual person.
I don't think they are putting any afford to fix it.
Good thing mine is "bearable" , I got the new 32GB.
I hope some clever android wiz will find a fix with a kernel update.
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I'm surprised that more people aren't concerned about the washed out colors. It's really a poor display, and I'm hoping that the Nexus 10 doesn't have the same problem. That would be a waste of a nice 300ppi LCD panel. I was encouraged when that one "display expert" came out and spoke out against the Nexus 7's LCD, because I thought I was the only one, but even he got shot down a little bit.
Are people really not that picky about their display? I guess I'm just a very visual person.
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I think Google don't even think there is a problem with the colours on our device. But there is. I do tolerate it easily though. But sometimes i just look at it and think.... Oh.
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Hey guys,
I've had my nexus 4 for a week now and I am super pleased by it. The phone runs like a dream.
The only issue I seem to be having is that I can see the IPS sensors even with the screen on!.
I'm talking about the little transparent-gray squares all over it, not about the super awesome dots that you can see with direct sunlight.
This is flipping me out!
Is anybody else having this problem with it?
I can't appreciate the beautiful screen because of this.
Also, when displaying single color frames specially dark ones, like on the clock app , the colors are not really solid.
I get this vertical stripes that are approximate to the color but not quite it.
Im posting a screenshot but I don't think that youll be able to notice it since it may be a hardware problem.
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That's a hardware thing, not visible in screenshots. You'd need to take an actual picture.
Are you referring to the dot grid that is visible in direct sunlight? Everyone has is. It's because of the fact that the screen is integrated into the glass.
I think it looks kind of cool but that might just be me.
Edit: Gotta read the whole thread first I guess you're not talking about the dots. I have no idea what you're talking about then.
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Question to the OP. Do YOU see anything wrong with those images, or is it a hardware problem? I can't see any difference between your screen shots and my phone.
Damn it man, now i see them too -.-
I went to the clock app, and i can see some stripes on the left but mine are vertical.
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That's a hardware thing, not visible in screenshots. You'd need to take an actual picture.
Are you referring to the dot grid that is visible in direct sunlight? Everyone has is. It's because of the fact that the screen is integrated into the glass.
I think it looks kind of cool but that might just be me.
Edit: Gotta read the whole thread first I guess you're not talking about the dots. I have no idea what you're talking about then.
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Hello after using my nexus for almost 2 weeks today i noticed some vertical line (of Dots) on my screen under direct sunlight...these dots very moving and can be seen with screen off also..
is there any thing to worry..
ramkumar2000 said:
Hello after using my nexus for almost 2 weeks today i noticed some vertical line (of Dots) on my screen under direct sunlight...these dots very moving and can be seen with screen off also..
is there any thing to worry..
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Haha Dude that's the digitizer. Don't worry. It's all cool.
Chill out people.. Its just the digitizer that you can see, so close to the screen for better touchscreen responsiveness. The most likely reason you can still see it with your device screen on is that you have your brightness too low.. Put it up
even amoled screen are also the same
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even amoled screen are also the same
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When I first got my Nexus4 the weird screen was the first thing that popped out at me. Between the visible digitizer matrix that glints when it catches the sun wrong, to the odd rectangles that can be seen behind the screen I was initially bummed and thought about returning the phone. It doesn't even bother me anymore
This is my 8th android device and the first one that has a funky screen like this, but it really isnt a big deal. Under 95 percent of conditions it looks really nice
I have been able to see the digitizer on every single capacitive screen i have ever owned.
@David_Azar I have to agree.. initially I was disgusted by how prominent the digitzer pattern was, I've never had ANY screen show it as much as the Nexus 4 does.
However, the vertical stripes you're referencing is commonly referred to as "banding". I have this on my Nexus 4 as well, most visible on grays (especially darker grays).
I have been doing some research and I believe the banding issue will reduce over time. If you check your screen when displaying a white background at max brightness, such as gmail or chrome browser, you should see a slight yellowing of the whites. It appears this can be due to the adhesive they used to glue the digitizer to the screen not curing completely. After several weeks of use, the heat from the processor will help cure the adhesive causing the yellow to disappear after a while.
I cannot say for certain that it will completely resolve the banding issue, but I have noticed that the worst banding is in the areas where the yellow tint is most prominent. I have also been testing my display every day to monitor any changes, and I am happy to report I do see a minor reduction in both the yellowing and banding (I've only had my Nexus 4 for five days so far).
Give it a couple of weeks, run some intensive games to get the processor to heat up every day. Keep brightness at max for the next few weeks and let us know if you see any improvements.
As for the pattern of the digitizer in the glass.. it's not going anywhere so get used to it. I don't like it much either but it seems to be less prominent once you start becoming used to it.
Good luck, let us know how it goes
Hey man,
Curiously enough I've never had the yellow tints everybody's complaining about. I'm used to The digitizer matrix ( rectangles) buy at first it was really weird. I was coming from a non HD display ( a RAZR Maxx) so naturally, I expected that my N4 would have a perfect screen.
I've had my N4 for almost two months now and the banding has not reduced. I made some research over the last month and I found that with some kernel settings for saturation the banding is reduced. I'm not sure if it is really reduced or the clear gray tones that have the banding just don't appear anymore because of the saturation.
The Trinity kernel reduces this a bit but like I said, your screen will look life a f*** ing AMOLED.
Right now I'm using the kernel provided by the 123 FAUX CLOCK project. I'm using the LG factory presets and for the most part I'm really happy with the screen. If you or anybody else comes up with a different solution, let others know on this thread.
Peace brothers.
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Just for kicks, if you stop by a T-mobile location compare your screen with the display model and see if you can spot the yellow tint on either screen (on a white background)
I will update this thread with my phone's progress (or lack thereof if it stops improving).
I get banding issues also, more noticeable in grey backgrounds; but I can I see them in other colors if I look hard enough
I use a dark black theme to avoid looking at those bands
I can say this. I've had a ton of devices..latest was s3 and I'll just say I'm stoked to have IPS over pen tile. Just knowing HD was plagued by this alone was enough for me to ditch Sammy all together especially after seeing rgb on note 2 was no better. This is my opinion of Samsung's design ...I know why they chose it but I can't and won't buy another amoled until they get another tech in order. So now I say kudos on IPS but I'm surely a screen purest and I found these hardware screen/digitizer artifacts you speak of and to me its so much less noticeable. Your not alone. You just like good clean HD like me. Lol HTC one should be a nice one to check out...
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That would be a little like kicking myself in the nuts. Nothing good can come out of that.
If I spot the yellow tints once, then I will always look for it. I hate doing that with the banding but it's an automatic thing.
I dunno why but it really bums me out whenever I have a problem with my phone.
Let's keep posting of someone finds a solution or something .
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I've got the quite visible digitizer rectangles too. In anything less than a dark room if the phone is not on a perfect angle they are visible.
I can't really tell if "everyone's" is like that, or just some are "worse" than others.
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Here's an image with them visible with the screen on (and at an angle) - difficult to take a photo of - but much easier to see with the naked eye.
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Few more with the screen off.
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I've got the quite visible digitizer rectangles too. In anything less than a dark room if the phone is not on a perfect angle they are visible.
I can't really tell if "everyone's" is like that, or just some are "worse" than others.
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Here's an image with them visible with the screen on (and at an angle) - difficult to take a photo of - but much easier to see with the naked eye.
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Few more with the screen off.
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Went and checked out an Optimus G today (Nexus 4 isn't actually released in Japan). Given that a Nexus 4 is just a remodeled Optimus G I thought it'd be worth comparing screens. The digitizer matrix is barely visible on the G I was looking at with the screen OFF. With it on you could almost see it at some angles. It is much more visible on my Nexus 4 which you can almost always see with the screen off and at an angle and often with the screen on.
I'm leaning towards my phone being "less than a perfect example of a Nexus 4" and not the "norm" at the moment.
they are much more noticeable in Rev 11 devices and they where barely visible in Rev 10, i am sure that there is a technical reason behind it
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they are much more noticeable in Rev 11 devices and they where barely visible in Rev 10, i am sure that there is a technical reason behind it
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See that explains it a little more. Not sure I see the logic in putting a screen with pretty decent viewing angles on a device and then sticking a really visible digitizer on it though.
I've contacted the seller and I guess I'll wait and see what they say in regard to it.
I got my RMA device today, and the image retention problem I had isn't as bad on this device. However I have noticed a considerable difference in the brightness of this device compared to the old one. The old one has a much brighter screen, and the yellow on the left is much worse on the new device. With my old Nexus 4 the yellow got better over time, so I think that might be the case with this one too, however will the screen get brighter over time? I doubt it. Has anyone else noticed a darker screen on the newer devices? My old nexus 4 was a 301K and rev_10. The new one I got today is a 303K and rev_11.
So has anyone noticed a difference?
Hello.
I have a Nexus 4, as does two of my friends. I got mine in February, as did one of my friends, the other got his last month.
I compared my Nexus 4 with the other February Nexus 4. His screen seemed brighter than mine, but it also had a slight yellow tinge to it, whereas mine was more dull/blue. This was the same with the other Nexus 4.
Is there a problem with my screen or is this just a common difference between all phones?
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Hello.
I have a Nexus 4, as does two of my friends. I got mine in February, as did one of my friends, the other got his last month.
I compared my Nexus 4 with the other February Nexus 4. His screen seemed brighter than mine, but it also had a slight yellow tinge to it, whereas mine was more dull/blue. This was the same with the other Nexus 4.
Is there a problem with my screen or is this just a common difference between all phones?
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Franco Kernel perhaps, that has color profiles that will change the colours and look of the screen.
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Franco Kernel perhaps, that has color profiles that will change the colours and look of the screen.
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So it's just the calibration, not a problem with my N4? Even though the others seem slightly brighter?
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I have the same problem. The screen of my N4 has different colors than the screen of my wife's N4. Purchase difference - 2 months. No root, display settings are identical. Can't figure out why?
First of all, I love this tablet. The only complaint that I have is that compared to my 2 previous 2012 Nexus 7s (now sold) and my Nexus 4, the new Nexus 7 I just received yesterday has a rather different color temperature. Whites aren't white -- instead, it has a yellowish tint to it.
Are any of you guys experiencing this, or is this just an LCD panel lottery that I lost? I'm wondering if I should swap this one out at Staples, return it and wait for the next batch, or if this is a normal characteristic of the JDI panels used in the 2013 Nexus 7?
This is really confusing to me, because in the AnandTech mini review, the 2013 Nexus 7's white point average is 6940K while the original Nexus 7's is 6215K. So my new tablet should have a cooler/more blue color than my old one, but instead it's the opposite and looks warmer/yellow.
mine is like yours so I just think its that way but I prefer it actually
I'm seeing a lot of green wash into whites/browns with mine, and poor black levels (too bright.)
The effect is more pronounced if there's a lot of green in a photo to start with.
I've posted photos comparing what I'm seeing on this device with what I see on a Note 8 in some of the other forum threads on this device.
No the whites are white especially compared to the old N7 which had yellow tint
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No the whites are white especially compared to the old N7 which had yellow tint
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That gives me hope that not all the displays used in the 2013s look like this. I ordered this one online from Staples, so I haven't seen another 2013 in person yet. I guess I'll head to Staples and Best Buy and look at the demo units and compare them to mine.
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Reading the other threads make me nervous about exchanging it now. This one has no dust under the screen, no dead pixels, no random reboots, the wireless charging works fine, etc. Aside from the yellowish screen, it's perfect.
I've seen what you guys are talking about with different Nexus 10s side by side. Had one where white looks like snow and two others beside it piss yellow looking white. I wonder if that's due to sourcing the display from different companies. My 2013 N7 arrives tomorrow so I hope it's not funky.
Just bought mine from my local Best Buy tonight. My screen looks perfectly fine. Also, no random reboots(was on it 4 hours straight), and no dust under the screen. I'll check it out again in the morning, but keeping my fingers crossed that mine is good! I didn't even know there were any issues with them until reading this thread
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Displays ARE different.
Get over it, guys.
With the Sony Xperia Tablet Z, many people also always complain about the display being too yellowish.
Some displays are too bluish, some have a reddish tint (like my prev-gen N7), some greenish (my SGS2), some yellowish (my Tablet Z).
That's how it is. Some people will shout: "But my Samsung has perfect white", bla... But this isn't true, either. Most probably their display will have blue tint, but they are accustomed to it.
If you want perfect colors, you have to buy Apple, and even then you can't be sure.
And now enjoy your Nexus 7,damnit!
I actually have a good screen, no reboots, (haven't tested wireless charging, probably should) but I'm not actually experiencing the yellowish tint. Try to download Dead Pixel Test by Ossibus Software from Google Play (only a 64kb app), launch it, then tap once to get to "pure" white. Post a picture (not a screenshot) of the tablet at that point.
EDIT: I've noticed that the xda app does have a yellow tint, but doing the dead pixel test reveals a pure white. This could just be xda.
-Adam
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yes, its a lottery. i compared 4 units now, all had different (from bad to worse) whites and contrast setting that effect the scroll blur, overall sharpness and black levels. there's definitely green push somewhere that comes of as yellow tinted screen overall depending on other settings of that particular screen or page you're viewing etc. keep on exchanging or wait for kernels with color control if they ever come that is.
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and never go by any review which provide any screen tests and data. they were victims of the lottery too.
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Well, I've got an HTC Desire, and after every reboot, the display gets horribly yellow. Though, turning screen off and on resolves it. Thing is, displays differ from device to device. A friend has a SGS3 with overly cold display, the kind that made my eyse stare at it all the time
Then I look back at my Desire, and it looks yellow. But it goes off after a little time(the yellowish look).
What you should try is to lookat your N7 for longer periods of time, and you'll get accustomed to it
Perfect whites here.
Just wait. Custom kernels will allow you to adjust all of this. With my nexus 4 the colors were not ideal for me, flashed a kernel and choose from the many options of color settings. There will be something for everyone, no matter what colors you prefer.
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Just wait. Custom kernels will allow you to adjust all of this. With my nexus 4 the colors were not ideal for me, flashed a kernel and choose from the many options of color settings. There will be something for everyone, no matter what colors you prefer.
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we don't know that yet. nexus 4 color adjustments on kernel level were possible due to the exposed color controls. somebody needs to confirm if it's even an option with this device.
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If you want perfect colors, you have to buy Apple, and even then you can't be sure.
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Correct. Even iPad 4s suffer from screen issues. Just Google "ipad 4 yellow screen" and "ipad 4 backlight bleed".
true, ipad screens is just another lottery.
i'm going to borrow this from another thread just to show how Nexus screen looks next to a good screen.
tom289 said:
. . . The only complaint that I have is that compared to my 2 previous 2012 Nexus 7s (now sold) and my Nexus 4, the new Nexus 7 I just received yesterday has a rather different color temperature. Whites aren't white -- instead, it has a yellowish tint to it . . .
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Definitely different white than my original Nexus 7. First thing I did was open Kindle in both, because I wanted to compare font sharpness, and I was struck by 2013 Nexus 7 looking yellowish compared to original, and thought I much preferred the softer look of the white on the original. Now, however, after using the new 2013 model for 2 days, when I compare the two, the new one seems white and the old one seems pinkish! So I think perception changes with use and familiarity.
I had far more noticeable white balance issues with Galaxy S3, and there was also a noticeable difference in white balance between Galaxy Note GT-N7000 and the AT&T LTE version.
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What you should try is to lookat your N7 for longer periods of time, and you'll get accustomed to it
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I can't get used to it -- I have really low tolerance for this stuff. Especially since my Nexus 4 screen has good whites, and I'm sometimes switching back and forth between the devices. Or the 3 monitors on my desk that have excellent whites. It's too jarring.
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i'm going to borrow this from another thread just to show how Nexus screen looks next to a good screen.
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Exactly like that.
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Definitely different white than my original Nexus 7. First thing I did was open Kindle in both, because I wanted to compare font sharpness, and I was struck by 2013 Nexus 7 looking yellowish compared to original, and thought I much preferred the softer look of the white on the original. Now, however, after using the new 2013 model for 2 days, when I compare the two, the new one seems white and the old one seems pinkish! So I think perception changes with use and familiarity.
I had far more noticeable white balance issues with Galaxy S3, and there was also a noticeable difference in white balance between Galaxy Note GT-N7000 and the AT&T LTE version.
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I won't even get started on AMOLED screens on my past Galaxies lol
Thinking back, my very first Nexus 4 had very pure whites. My current Nexus 4 is more yellow than that the first one. So for the Nexus 7 to appear yellow to my Nexus 4, it's got to be really bad.
Just to give an update...
I decided to order one from Amazon yesterday instead of exchanging the Staples one. I figured that buying from a different retailer would increase my chances of getting a different batch.
The old one from Staples was made in June 2013, while the new one from Amazon was made in July 2013.
Overall the screen looks much less yellow than my old one! So yes, LCD display lottery
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thanks!
would you be able to provide some side by side shots by any chance?