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Simple answer - NO.
When a new software release is made for an OS, all the developers would have done is test it on a very few devices within the developers and then roll it out to testers. And after analyzing the bugs identified from these testers, the developers sit on fixing it and finally come up with a release. Now would this release be bug-less? Absolutely not! Remember, its only been tested amongst a very few number of people and the rolling out happens to thousands residing in different parts of the world. If you think about it, what these updates are gonna deal with is a varied number of users, different carriers, sim make etc etc.
Take for example, for Indian users, the 4.4.2 update has been rolled out for quite a while. Lots of bugs were identified since then and the forum managers have been collecting data from the subscribers for quite a while now (Almost 4 months). Still the fix has not happened. And now 4.4.4 is out and issues persist.
I hvae been using 4.3, 4.4.2, then CM11, Mokee ROM etc etc, and now Im finally back to stock 4.3, coz thats the most stable version. So if you are someone who is interested in trying out new releases, please go ahead, but if you are someone who needs a stable ROM with no signal drop issues, please stick to 4.3.
totally disagree. I have european version Moto G with stock 4.4.2 and everything is working perfeclty. Try to wipe you Moto or flash any other rom.
seems like pebkac not buggy firmware . otherwise every single guy would be facing same problems and that's not happening .
ovitz said:
totally disagree. I have european version Moto G with stock 4.4.2 and everything is working perfeclty. Try to wipe you Moto or flash any other rom.
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Just to clarify, did you receive an update package sometime after the primary update?
4.4.3 works fine on my US GSM moto G. But it might be different for others.
Also, add a warning to the OP that if you're already on 4.4.3+, you can't downgrade anymore. Motoboot from 4.4.3+ doesn't seem to like downgrading anymore, unfortunately.
4.2.2 works great, no signal drops or anything. Waiting for eupean 4.4.4. :good:
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Question is whether downgrading is possible from 4.4.4 ?
I totally agree to ovitz. Updates are supposed to fix issues with older versions of the software. My moto came with 4.4.2 and i never had issues with signal drops. I am from India. Btw it's always better to reset phone after the update.
I agree with you OP on some extent. I also recently downgraded to 4.3 from 4.4.2 just for the lulz, because I was getting "image is too large" error but surprisingly today the flashing was successful. The battery timing has improved, dialer app is cooler than that of the 4.4.2. I'm finding these changes quite interesting because I didn't stay with 4.3 for too long; my Moto G received the KitKat update the moment I powered it on for the first time.
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Simple answer - NO.
When a new software release is made for an OS, all the developers would have done is test it on a very few devices within the developers and then roll it out to testers. And after analyzing the bugs identified from these testers, the developers sit on fixing it and finally come up with a release. Now would this release be bug-less? Absolutely not! Remember, its only been tested amongst a very few number of people and the rolling out happens to thousands residing in different parts of the world. If you think about it, what these updates are gonna deal with is a varied number of users, different carriers, sim make etc etc.
Take for example, for Indian users, the 4.4.2 update has been rolled out for quite a while. Lots of bugs were identified since then and the forum managers have been collecting data from the subscribers for quite a while now (Almost 4 months). Still the fix has not happened. And now 4.4.4 is out and issues persist.
I hvae been using 4.3, 4.4.2, then CM11, Mokee ROM etc etc, and now Im finally back to stock 4.3, coz thats the most stable version. So if you are someone who is interested in trying out new releases, please go ahead, but if you are someone who needs a stable ROM with no signal drop issues, please stick to 4.3.
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While I do agree with you for most of what you said, not everyone has bugs or issues with their phones on 4.4.3/4.4.4 upgrade. I myself has had one bug that came with the phone since 4.3 and it's worst now on 4.4.3 and ironically, I've gotten all the bugs on the 4.4.3 that others were getting on 4.4.2. I ended up putting on CM11 because it was getting to me.
P.S. It's impossible to downgrade from 4.4.3/4.4.4. I would love to downgrade back to 4.3. Never got the chance to see how it behaved on my phone because I updated to 4.4.2 the moment I booted for the first time.
Did I mention the "Sign in to WiFi" error on the 4.4.2? That's annoying as hell.
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Question is whether downgrading is possible from 4.4.4 ?
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It is possible!, download the 4.4 official ROM and do a fastboot and install all the IMG files.
Thats how I did it,
chrisdf said:
It is possible!, download the 4.4 official ROM and do a fastboot and install all the IMG files.
Thats how I did it,
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but you can't downgrade the bootloader, so didn't you get any errors?
Not that guy, Don't touch the motoboot and you should be fine
There's no point of updating your phone unless youare receiving it over OTA. Doing it manually is risky. The only thing that you'll get is new AOSP dialer and few security fixes. There's no reward..no improvement in performance as well as in camera quality. People are reporting bugs all over the globe and they desperatly want to switch back to 4.4.2. Few have them are also facing downgrading issues.
And you want to go through all this for just a minor update? Android L could be a good reason as it is worth updating even after bugs. But a minor update is definitely not.
If some one will ask me which is best ROM for my moto g? I would say Stock 4.4.2. I tried all custom ROMs but no one was as smooth as stock 4.4.2.
Consequences be damn'ed.
Simple answer- yeah, well, that's just like your opinion man.
Indian user. Unlocker my bootloader, Converted to GPE while on 4.4.2. The GpE move was made partly because I had jo desire nor the use if a second sim and mostly because I wanted a clean OS. Period.
Got instant OTA update to 4.4.4 to the day it was pushed.
No issues so far, None in fact and it's been over a week or thereabouts(I admit to the likelihood of me being an isolated case)
Lastly, to each his own.
Android is meant to be taken care of AS WELL tinker every single detail or option if you have the cojones for it. Ciao.
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I have just upgrade to 4.4.4 XT1033 (Malaysian), noted the missing 2 empty simcard icone and new rather flat dialer! nothing much has changed and certainly hasn't noticed any issue mentioned herein!
If one were to go by op opinion then they would be using 4.3 for the rest of the devices life ! I wonder what his comment would be once L comes to our device.
I have to disagree the OP as an xt1033 owner since march 2014.
Android 4.4.4 OTA for moto g helps fix various sw issues and increased performance,new baseband to aid the radio issues. Media playback is improved. The device is more of a swiss-tool now.
GPe edition of Moto G running KTU84P.M003 like a dream and eats more battery,too. I wish i could have flashed it earlier.
Semseddin said:
GPe edition of Moto G running KTU84P.M003 like a dream and eats more battery,too. I wish i could have flashed it earlier.
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Just curious, if it eats more battery how come you call it a dream?
Has anyone installed the newest 5.0.2 (VRU1BNLC) update?
If so, what's the verdict?
I went to Lollipop when first released, but had the same issues as most (overheating, poor performance, and atrocious battery life). Flashed back to 4.4.4 thanks to the awesomeness of XDA and it's great Dev.
Love my s5, but hate to subject it to another poor ROM. However, do enjoy being up to date, and hate having to dismiss the OTA update every day.
So.... what's the update on the newest update?
Hi,
my S4 LTE currently still runs the latest stock A 4.4.2 version and some weeks ago I've been noticed that A 5.0 would be available via OTA update. I didn't do this so far, since I fear to get even more bloatware and don't see any obvious requirement for the official update. In contrast, my intention is to wait for a stable release of CM 12.1 for this device.
In addition, already several weeks ago my provider Vodafone Germany announced to support high quality VoLTE calls on different devices, including (to my understanding) the S4 LTE. While I didn't see any VoLTE calls there right now, I wonder if it's mandatory to get the OTA Lollipop update (including potentially more extensive firmware updates) and/or if future upgrading from current A 4.4.2 to CM 12.1 stable would work as well?
BR,
Andreas
Recently the Android 7.1.1 update came out for the Moto x pure. If i manually flashed Android 6.0, stock and I am using a vpn, will the Android 7 update come to my phone?
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Recently the Android 7.1.1 update came out for the Moto x pure. If i manually flashed Android 6.0, stock and I am using a vpn, will the Android 7 update come to my phone?
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No such update has been announced or come out.
zack777 said:
Recently the Android 7.1.1 update came out for the Moto x pure. If i manually flashed Android 6.0, stock and I am using a vpn, will the Android 7 update come to my phone?
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If is 7.0 if this is accurate... https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/forums/v3_1/forumtopicpage/board-id/449/thread-id/19016/page/2 although it seems very limited rollout as of now.
And will you get it on VPN? Depends when your IMEI is up for it, your phone should display the notification but will need WiFi to actually download the reported 1.2GB update. The fact you're on a VPN shouldn't matter too much but it would depend on many factors.
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If is 7.0 if this is accurate... https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/forums/v3_1/forumtopicpage/board-id/449/thread-id/19016/page/2 although it seems very limited rollout as of now.
And will you get it on VPN? Depends when your IMEI is up for it, your phone should display the notification but will need WiFi to actually download the reported 1.2GB update. The fact you're on a VPN shouldn't matter too much but it would depend on many factors.
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Then it's maybe it's because I manually flashed the the stock image. And after the original 6.0 I didn't get the security update (not sure which month) which was released.
I just hope the 7.1.1 factory image is put up online, so we can flash it (just like i did with Android 6.0).
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Then it's maybe it's because I manually flashed the the stock image. And after the original 6.0 I didn't get the security update (not sure which month) which was released.
I just hope the 7.1.1 factory image is put up online, so we can flash it (just like i did with Android 6.0).
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OK, stop saying 7.1.1 please (some people might get the wrong idea), it is 7.0 and that's it, no 7.0.1 or 7.1.0 or 7.1.1... and this will likely be the last upgrade we get on this device, although I do expect one more bug fix or security patch and this device will move into limbo for Motonova.
Will you get it over a VPN? We really don't know, but as far as we can tell, it isn't "really" rolling out yet, so have patience and see. Will we get the image to flash manually? Probably, but I wouldn't expect it before July... 3 months is typical before we see the factory image surface, but that's just from looking at it previous releases, it could be less, more, or never.
Everyone is crazy about Oreo update!
Today Motorola released new soak test for Oreo with February security patches and I manage to capture it
Here's a GDrive Download Link https://drive.google.com/open?id=1uEIRV1sKq0RGQTQkSWDfgoz-IAqpUL3b
It includes new Moto launcher (Finally replaced Google now launcher), new icons for apps, notification dots, new clock widget, bug fixes, stability improvement and camera improvement
Here are full release notes https://mobilesupport.lenovo.com/us/en/solution/MS126755
Thank you
How do you know it's another soak test and not the final release?
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How do you know it's another soak test and not the final release?
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If it was official you'd have known that
razorsbk said:
How do you know it's another soak test and not the final release?
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Because it may have bugs and also night light isn't enabled yet!
From the updater script, looks like you'll need OPN27.74/28 to flash this soak test OTA, and will bring your device up to OPN27.76-12-2/4
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Package expects build thumbprint of 8.0.0/OPN27.76-12-2/4:user/release-keys or 8.0.0/OPN27.74/28:user/release-keys
Having a quick look through the updater script, looks like it'll check and update your boot (kernel), modem, OEM, system and GPT/bootloader partitions. I see references to Google Widevine in the modem images too. At least the error messages seem to be a little more helpful.
You can find the updater script at the following path: OreoSoak2.zip\META-INF\com\google\android\ or as an attachment.
As always, it's up to you if you want to flash these soak tests, bear in mind there may be bugs and unless you get the other soak test OTA updates, you may not be able to update back to the official OTA path. That is, unless you can find the stock Oreo fastboot ROM or try to downgrade. Or you could just wait for the official Oreo OTA to come out....
That's soak 3 buddy.
and the soak 2?
Possible to flash over SOAK 1 with bootloader locked?
ill try to install but the windows says "no such file or directory"
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Possible to flash over SOAK 1 with bootloader locked?
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No you need the second one as well. You must install them in order that is why it is never smart to install a soak test unless you are in the test
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No you need the second one as well. You must install them in order that is why it is never smart to install a soak test unless you are in the test
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Can we install it from 7.1.1?
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Can we install it from 7.1.1?
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If you've got the December 2017 7.1.1 update on your device, completely stock, you may be able to install these soak tests. However, as xantanion has pointed out, there appears to be at least one soak test OTA missing. Thus, you may be able to flash the first soak test OTA, then you may not be able to flash the soak test in this thread as you're not on the expected build for this OTA (i.e. you may be missing the inter-linking builds as again pointed out by xantanion). OTA updates check the build you have on your device before flashing, as I mentioned in the above post - this OTA requires OPN27.76-12-2 or OPN27.74 - if you don't have either, you may not be able to flash this OTA.
Without access to those possibly missing builds, you'd be stuck on an OTA build, and unless you find the Oreo fastboot stock ROM (which isn't out yet) or downgrading back to 7.1.1 (possibly risky, requires an unlocked bootloader), you likely won't be able to progress (no OTA updates) or not be able to flash the non-soak OTA builds. You'll only get these soak test OTA builds if you're part of the soak test program or someone can leak them.
You do not have to flash these soak test builds, you can always wait for the official OTA to arrive, unless you're willing to put up with the possible bugs in the firmware and the possibility that your device may not receive OTA updates.
EDIT - looks like some users may be having some luck with this OTA build?
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If you've got the December 2017 7.1.1 update on your device, completely stock, you may be able to install these soak tests. However, as xantanion has pointed out, there appears to be at least one soak test OTA missing. Thus, you may be able to flash the first soak test OTA, then you may not be able to flash the soak test in this thread as you're not on the expected build for this OTA (i.e. you may be missing the inter-linking builds as again pointed out by xantanion). OTA updates check the build you have on your device before flashing, as I mentioned in the above post - this OTA requires OPN27.76-12-2 or OPN27.74 - if you don't have either, you may not be able to flash this OTA.
Without access to those possibly missing builds, you'd be stuck on an OTA build, and unless you find the Oreo fastboot stock ROM (which isn't out yet) or downgrading back to 7.1.1 (possibly risky, requires an unlocked bootloader), you likely won't be able to progress (no OTA updates) or not be able to flash the non-soak OTA builds. You'll only get these soak test OTA builds if you're part of the soak test program or someone can leak them.
You do not have to flash these soak test builds, you can always wait for the official OTA to arrive, unless you're willing to put up with the possible bugs in the firmware and the possibility that your device may not receive OTA updates.
EDIT - looks like some users may be having some luck with this OTA build?
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They're still going to have issues when it comes to updating to the full one even with being able to install it now via sideloading
Only two soak test are released over December security patch in India and they both are captured and shared on forum's
So when can we expect the actual update?
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So when can we expect the actual update?
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I imagine it really is Motorola's decision, whenever they're happy with the build from internal testing and from the soak tester reports, and whether there are any major/show-stopping bugs still present or introduced. Minor bugs, depending on if they've been reported, may be fixed prior to the final OTA, or scheduled to be fixed in the post Oreo release if they're more troublesome to fix or troubleshoot. The soak test OTA may become the final OTA that's released to the general update channel, or there may be further OTA patches, which of course will push back the release date. The last thing you want is to introduce the Oreo update and then pull it, as happened with the Samsung Galaxy S8 devices.
So, it's anyone's guess when the release date will be, and why OEMs likely don't give hard deadlines, despite what the PR news release that's been on Ausdroid and other platforms suggests. At least you're getting a soak test - Moto G4 Plus/G5/G5S devices haven't seen one yet!
Please share the new apps.. dialer, camera, contacts
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I agree, you guys should ve happy for getting soal tests.. i have both G5+ and G5s+ and no soak tests.. we'll get oreo in may..
Pliss
Someone could kindly post all applications with new icons and the snaps manager ... thanks.
Aurich said:
Someone could kindly post all applications with new icons and the snaps manager ... thanks.
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so far so good, I will see tomorrow how it`s performance
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so far so good, I will see tomorrow how it`s performance
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He meant a link to download the new apps without installing the soak test
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Why moto dorsn't remove the buggy carrier name at the bottom lf the quick settings? With oreo we got that information at the top, no need to have it twice