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I've been flashing all the latest and greatest KitKat ROMs for the LG LS980 Sprint variant and after benchmark testing them all using AnTuTu and Quadrant, I've noticed horrible benchmark scores. To put things in comparison the Stock ROM usually provides 37,000 AnTuTu and 21,000 Quadrant. On the KitKat ROMs, I get around 24,000 AnTuTu and 9,000 Quadrant. So the scores are about half what stock provides. I have tested this running the latest builds of KitKat DU, PA, Nameless, and CM11 to name a few. I use Furnace Kernel to Overclock to 2.5, but even without the Furnace kernel on the KitKat ROMs, I still get low scores so it doesn't seem to be the kernel so much as the AOSP base. Something must have changed in the latest builds because I don't recall having this issue of lower scores with slightly older builds of KitKat.
I just wanted to bring that to the attention of people here. If someone can confirm this that would be great too.
Also here is a link to a thread for an extensive benchmark test of CPU kernels and governors, and also a ROM to ROM feature comparison.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2625656
Running SlimKat on my D802 I get about 33k in AnTuTu compared to 37-38k on Rayglobe Flex. BUT, just like the Nexus 5, benchmarks DO NOT matter. Even though I get a lower score on 4.4, everything from gaming to browsing runs smoother. Also, as for now, I do not recommend installing any custom kernels on 4.4 roms since they only bring instability and higher benchmark scores yet lower overall performance. I truly respect the developers who are doing their best to create stable kernels, but as for know, dorimanx's kernel is the only kernel worth installing and it's only available for stock roms.
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Running SlimKat on my D802 I get about 33k in AnTuTu compared to 37-38k on Rayglobe Flex. BUT, just like the Nexus 5, benchmarks DO NOT matter. Even though I get a lower score on 4.4, everything from gaming to browsing runs smoother. Also, as for now, I do not recommend installing any custom kernels on 4.4 roms since they only bring instability and higher benchmark scores yet lower overall performance. I truly respect the developers who are doing their best to create stable kernels, but as for know, dorimanx's kernel is the only kernel worth installing and it's only available for stock roms.
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If I got a 33k in AnTuTu that would be normal. But I'm talking about 25k in AnTuTu. That's not a small change that can be ignored. That means there is some new code being compiled that is not efficiently making use of the processor's capabilities. I'm hoping that someone will look back at their code and realize that a vital piece of code was dropped and is affecting the whole system.
If it was all about just smooth performance, then there is no reason to even have an Snapdraon 800 in the first place. We can all learn to be happy with the perfectly reasonable performance of hardware that's 2 generations old. But if we are being sold or given software and hardware that is supposed to be better or optimized then it better be and not just rely on consumers to fall under a blind veil of a placebo effect.
Furthermore KitKat ROMs are not coded to support HTML5 whereas the Stock ROM is, so websites will be more compatible with the browsers in the stock ROM.
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If I got a 33k in AnTuTu that would be normal. But I'm talking about 25k in AnTuTu. That's not a small change that can be ignored. That means there is some new code being compiled that is not efficiently making use of the processor's capabilities. I'm hoping that someone will look back at their code and realize that a vital piece of code was dropped and is affecting the whole system.
If it was all about just smooth performance, then there is no reason to even have an Snapdraon 800 in the first place. We can all learn to be happy with the perfectly reasonable performance of hardware that's 2 generations old. But if we are being sold or given software and hardware that is supposed to be better or optimized then it better be and not just rely on consumers to fall under a blind veil of a placebo effect.
Furthermore KitKat ROMs are not coded to support HTML5 whereas the Stock ROM is, so websites will be more compatible with the browsers in the stock ROM.
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If there is indeed some new code that is affecting then CPU, how can you explain the fact that I never got under 33k in Antutu? (I'm talking about SlimKat and Mahdi, I don't know about others)
Also regarding the placebo effect you're mentioning...so basically you're telling me that the increased smoothness across the whole OS is just my imagination and that it is better to have better results in benchmarks and slower performance? Also, the stock ROM is probably one of the most stable ROMs I've used so far so you really can't talk about lies. Both the benchmark scores and day to day usage are more than acceptable. When you decide to install a custom rom, you automatically need to make sure that you're willing to accept some sort of bugs or errors. The developers are not working for you. You're not paying them anything. So automatically you have no right to complain, just to mention the bugs so that the user developing the rom will try to fix them.
Regarding the browser's compatibility, you may be right, yet I haven't encountered any issues for now. That doesn't mean that they don't exist but as long as it doesn't affect me as an user, then I'm OK.
I'm not trying to say that KitKat roms are perfect. Far from it. But in my case, they're more than usable as a daily driver. Others may not feel this way though.
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Ihave been searchingand searching for a nice rom with good features and low bloat n junk...derpBarebones...Comes with STweaks...OC'd to 2.7 running at almost 37000 benchmark on antutu and now lag or anything...runs VERY smooth and also gets GREAT benchmark compared to the other roms out there...also running the 3.4.1 KK kernel i think IT'S CLOUDY;'S??
Hello there!
I've got an idea to make a post-poll to see what scores Antutu Benchmark is giving us in the Shield Tablet on any ROM, like CM11, Stock, etc.
Mine (WiFi-only model) got 53.844 points, with the latest stock firmware (1.2.1) and Antutu Benchmark 5.1.. Also, it was set to Max. Performance mode..
I also made a video, you can check it here:
What are your best scores with the Shield Tablet?
(And sorry for my bad english lol)
Of course, I didn't mentioned it, but It'd be nice to compare scores between roms, so, if you're using a different rom than stock, like CM11, please post it, so that we know which rom has best performance
56674
Settings > SHIELD Power Control > Processor Mode: Using Max Performance
Stock 2.2.1 update, no root.
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Settings > SHIELD Power Control > Processor Mode: Using Max Performance
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In mine with 2.2.1 rooted I got the other days around 57 thousand and something, what a pity I didn't take any screenshot :silly:
(Also on max performance)
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Of course, I didn't mentioned it, but It'd be nice to compare scores between roms, so, if you're using a different rom than stock, like CM11, please post it, so that we know which rom has best performance
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The ROM that has the highest Antutu score, and the ROM that has the best performance could (most probably) be different. It's been proven time and time again that benchmarks mean little when it comes to real world performance.
stock and shaky kernel
Before 62000 couples times stock, shaky kernel, booster plus and battery saver,busyboox ,CPU tuner and shield in my power mode full
Right now 59326 with stock,shaky,booster plus,busybox,device control,CPU tuner,auto kill apk and shield in my power mode.
57,340
always one guy that just has to remind us that benchmarks don't necessarily mean your going to have a good experience across the board, yeah bud, we know, this is XDA, it's fun to benchmark, get over it. [rant off]
anywho, I'm stock, unlocked, and rooted with titanium to freeze apps and CWM for backups.
got a 56,593 & 57,340 Whoot!
Here's a recent one on mine. I want to hit 65k but that will likely require a GPU OC among other optimizations.
Pilz said:
Here's a recent one on mine. I want to hit 65k but that will likely require a GPU OC among other optimizations.
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How so much, custom kernel & overclock?????
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How so much, custom kernel & overclock?????
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I OC'd my CPU to 2.5ghz and that's was about it. I'm running BitOsessions kernel on my stock Shield Tablet. I did another one a while ago that hit 63k but I can't find my screenshot so I'm working to get past that again.
Here's another one I did when I dropped the resolution from 1080 FHD to 720 HD.
Accidental double post... Delete
90009 on Stock Rooted MM ROM...
I got 84071 on mine
Edit: re-did the test after installing the latest update and got 84767
About 91500 on latest antutu 6.01. Stock 6.0 rooted and debloated.
Beat Y'all If you can
Screenshot Or it Didn't Happened
Nvidia Stock LP v5.1.1, rooted, no "performance related" modifications to speak of.
highest: 82517
average: 81842 (based on reboot then running Antutu v6.0.1 6 times in a row, scores increased on each run until the sixth)
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The ROM that has the highest Antutu score, and the ROM that has the best performance could (most probably) be different. It's been proven time and time again that benchmarks mean little when it comes to real world performance.
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I completely disagree with this without meaning to be rude because every person suffers from confirmation bias and "self benchmarking" is one area where it effects everybody greatly.
To the extent that people can have very different experiences on exactly the same hardware and software as a matter of routine - and no one can know that it has ocurred since it's automatic.
Benchmarks are the in fact the only way to measure objectively IME and opinion.
This is certainly not to say that anyone has a better or worse experience though as you point out, that i agree with.
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No root/no debloat - MM 6.0.1
Bit of a general question here, but I am getting some really wacky benchmark scores. They're all over the place and id like to know if any of you guys have found a rom and kernel that just works.
I've tried quite a few custom rom's now both Lollipop and Marshmallow, and they've all offered underwhelming performance (Not much faster than my old 801 soc device).
Albeit for the exception of resurrection remix, of which gave me phenomenal in game performance and AnTuTu scores within the 7700 range. A HUGE improvement over stock and other custom Rom's. Unfortunately Resurrection Remix 6.0 is by far the buggiest rom I've loaded, soft reboots everywhere, no working camera and artifacts.
Any recommendations for a good rom ? or should I be focusing on kernels with say stock Oxygen OS ?
I would say stay on OOS so that you can use all Sensors (FP and LF) and give Boeffla Kernel a try. Gives me amazing performance and pretty good benchmarks if i configure the Kernel to give me max performance (i dont do this often because a Benchmark score says nothing). With a balanced setting on the Kernel you get good Battery life and a good performance for daily use.
Use stock with Boeffla, guaranteed stability and from what others have posted with their tweaks seems best option. Everything else looks too experimental or unstable.
just use kernel auditor and use these settings; govenor-interactive, scheduler-row, readahead-1024, in virtual memory dirty ratio-30, dirty background radio-10, swappiness-10, Z-ram-250, under entrphy read-128, write-256. you will hit over 90,000 on antutu with stock rom. I've used these setting with stock with stock kernel, skydragon and oxyslim. i prefer stock now, i just uninstalled the apps i don't use plus oemkitlog, oneplus telephony, com.codeauroroa.img
But why should you even bother with Z-Ram when you have 4GB RAM in this phone?
Doesnt make any sense for me ...
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But why should you even bother with Z-Ram when you have 4GB RAM in this phone?
Doesnt make any sense for me ...
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It is totally pointless in a system with 4GB (even 3) RAM, wouldn't add performance since CPU now has to compress/decompress data on the fly - but what I'm wondering is: does Android have ZRAM by default or is this added? If it's added, lose it. If you were running an emulator this would be a hit.
Hello,
Fairly new to the entire thing but I will get straight to it.
I have a SM-G935T Snapdragon in the USA, I am looking for a kernel for overclocking the device. At the moment what I have done is what I presume is a "lite" root custom on the stock 7.0 with supersu and Flashfire. I have tried using kernel adiutor and a few other apps that let you choose different settings but nothing seems to have any substantial effects on the benchmark scores.
As a note; the s7 edge is strictly dedicated to gaming purposes, I have debloated it and it has no SIM installed, it has a battery bank case and will spend most of its time plugged in or near a wall outlet, it is being treated as a mobile gaming platform. I have a Note3 specifically for taking with me as a phone.
With that said battery life is not a concerning factor I am looking for a decent overclocked kernel for the Snapdragon version, so far all I have seen is Exynos and stuff from other countries that don't match my 935t.
I'm likely overlooking something but any help would 've appreciated, doing it manually doesn't super interest me, I'm looking for a flash and go solution for this model that isn't going to trip app security searches.
Thanks!
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Hello,
Fairly new to the entire thing but I will get straight to it.
I have a SM-G935T Snapdragon in the USA, I am looking for a kernel for overclocking the device. At the moment what I have done is what I presume is a "lite" root custom on the stock 7.0 with supersu and Flashfire. I have tried using kernel adiutor and a few other apps that let you choose different settings but nothing seems to have any substantial effects on the benchmark scores.
As a note; the s7 edge is strictly dedicated to gaming purposes, I have debloated it and it has no SIM installed, it has a battery bank case and will spend most of its time plugged in or near a wall outlet, it is being treated as a mobile gaming platform. I have a Note3 specifically for taking with me as a phone.
With that said battery life is not a concerning factor I am looking for a decent overclocked kernel for the Snapdragon version, so far all I have seen is Exynos and stuff from other countries that don't match my 935t.
I'm likely overlooking something but any help would 've appreciated, doing it manually doesn't super interest me, I'm looking for a flash and go solution for this model that isn't going to trip app security searches.
Thanks!
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I'm just going to preface things by saying benchmarks are not indicative of actual improved performance. There are numerous ways in which manufacturers can cheat benchmarks such that when you overclock you may not see improvements.
I'd suggest actually finding out if you overclocks through kernel auditor are actually working, download and run this to check if the cpu frequency maxes out at the one you set.
If the overclock is working as intended then the benchmarks are just not showing it due to other factors. More likely is that the overclock is not supported on your stock kernel so you'll need to flash a custom one with overclocking enabled,
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I appreciate the reply, the issue is that none of the apps will actually go beyond the big cores 2.1ghz and the smalls 1.6ghz. My only options that I do have are basically enabling "performance" but the cores will still throttle even when Temps are 30c. What I'm saying is I have found nothing that has given me the freedom to actually attempt over clocking at all anyway and nothing will peak the cores as they say they should, even with supersu granted.
Hopefully that makes sense.
I took a screenshot of monitoring during a benchmark, so what's interesting is sometimes I get a 3D Mark Slingshot Extreme score of 2700ish and other times, more often than not, I get 1600 and looking at the graph, the cpu is up and down and all over the place like a bouncy castle in a birthday party but it's barely going over 1.2ghz on any core even during the cpu test and there is a massively noticeable difference even in benchmark and games. I have to restart the phome, wait for several minutes, clear the ram, wait a little more and then I might get a couple of good scores but I'm thrown right back into the bouncy castle throttling. I have a screenshot but I can't post it because I can't give links with less than 10 posts.
I've tried kernel editors, they don't stick anything and read false speeds, and the integrated performance mode seems to do nothing but make it brighter and change the resolution to 1440p.
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I appreciate the reply, the issue is that none of the apps will actually go beyond the big cores 2.1ghz and the smalls 1.6ghz. My only options that I do have are basically enabling "performance" but the cores will still throttle even when Temps are 30c. What I'm saying is I have found nothing that has given me the freedom to actually attempt over clocking at all anyway and nothing will peak the cores as they say they should, even with supersu granted.
Hopefully that makes sense.
I took a screenshot of monitoring during a benchmark, so what's interesting is sometimes I get a 3D Mark Slingshot Extreme score of 2700ish and other times, more often than not, I get 1600 and looking at the graph, the cpu is up and down and all over the place like a bouncy castle in a birthday party but it's barely going over 1.2ghz on any core even during the cpu test and there is a massively noticeable difference even in benchmark and games. I have to restart the phome, wait for several minutes, clear the ram, wait a little more and then I might get a couple of good scores but I'm thrown right back into the bouncy castle throttling. I have a screenshot but I can't post it because I can't give links with less than 10 posts.
I've tried kernel editors, they don't stick anything and read false speeds, and the integrated performance mode seems to do nothing but make it brighter and change the resolution to 1440p.
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Sounds like you'll need a custom kernel. Unfortunately I'm not actually aware of any on the S7 Edge Snapdragon.
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Sounds like you'll need a custom kernel. Unfortunately I'm not actually aware of any on the S7 Edge Snapdragon.
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Thumbs up for trying, if anyone knows of a kernel I can flash I'd happily accept it, even if it's as simple as keeping the cpu from dropping all over the place.
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Thumbs up for trying, if anyone knows of a kernel I can flash I'd happily accept it, even if it's as simple as keeping the cpu from dropping all over the place.
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I may be able to help with the latter. If you are able to flash xposed and install the Wanam Xposed toolkit you can disable DVFS controls, this should help with the throttling.
This applies for overclocking when playing games only.
There's an app made by Samsung itself called 'Game Tuner'. I've checked that when i run an app through game tuner the average cpu frequency is much higher than when i run it without game tuner. Also the device get noticably warmer with game tuner. So in my knowledge this is the only way you can overclock your s7 edge without rooting
...and it gets me some smoother framerates and around 10k more on antutu. but it could be just difference in how hot was tablet in first and second benchmarks.
i'm on oreo stock, t820 model. tried playing space marshals as it is my favourite game and without tweaks... it was unbearable.
with gpu update that you can find here on xda forums it got better. not ipad level better, but decent. still it seems like samsung didn't even try to optimize this tablet. i have read that it lags but i have no ui lag, just graphics lag an stutter, tearing and so on.
if anyone wants to give it a try just search for adreno 530 gpu update. should be on xiaomi mi mix subforum. there are two releases.
tried both and it seems that r8 gives smoother graphics but r15 does not heat up so quickly
Very interesting, thanks! Unfortunately, that's not a surprise. Samsung makes good hardware but absolutely doesn't care about the software.
And you just downloaded from the OP?
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And you just downloaded from the OP?
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That s' what he said, from
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...and it gets me some smoother framerates and around 10k more on antutu. but it could be just difference in how hot was tablet in first and second benchmarks.
i'm on oreo stock, t820 model. tried playing space marshals as it is my favourite game and without tweaks... it was unbearable.
with gpu update that you can find here on xda forums it got better. not ipad level better, but decent. still it seems like samsung didn't even try to optimize this tablet. i have read that it lags but i have no ui lag, just graphics lag an stutter, tearing and so on.
if anyone wants to give it a try just search for adreno 530 gpu update. should be on xiaomi mi mix subforum. there are two releases.
tried both and it seems that r8 gives smoother graphics but r15 does not heat up so quickly
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Thanks for that information! It would be nice, if you optimize your thread description a little bit and inlclude a guide to setup our device, because this is a really useful Update for all tab s3 owners.
It would be also nice if you provide us your benchmark results. I attached my antutu results with the new rev 15 driver, with stock driver and with stock driver combined with magisk gpu turbo bo9st module. The new rev15 driver only gave me 120.000 points, the stock one 126.000 and combined with boost module over 142.000. So on my end the new gpu driver seems to be useless...
*update: it seems like there are huge differences in the atuntu results. Yesterday evening i got with the new rev15 driver and magisk gpu boost 112.000 points and today in the morning i tried again and i got over 170.000 points. very strange...
Thanks in advance.
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Thanks for that information! It would be nice, if you optimize your thread description a little bit and inlclude a guide to setup our device, because this is a really useful Update for all tab s3 owners.
It would be also nice if you provide us your benchmark results. I attached my antutu results with the new rev 15 driver, with stock driver and with stock driver combined with magisk gpu turbo bo9st module. The new rev15 driver only gave me 120.000 points, the stock one 126.000 and combined with boost module over 142.000. So on my end the new gpu driver seems to be useless...
*update: it seems like there are huge differences in the atuntu results. Yesterday evening i got with the new rev15 driver and magisk gpu boost 112.000 points and today in the morning i tried again and i got over 170.000 points. very strange...
Thanks in advance.
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there is no any special set up. unlock bootloader, install twrp and flash zip that you can find on xiaomi subforums. even somebody posted link in this thread.
the thing with this tablet is that it heats up quickly and throttles like nothing. no wonder you got better score in the morning. i also tried an app called L speed, you can find it on playstore, but it did nothing, just made it worse in my opinion.
this tablet had great potential, but with bad optimisation and cooling... it's apsolute joke. if i could only open it easily to add some copper for better thermal dissipation. and also a modded kernel would help bbut we have none of that
anyone can show a full details on how to install the gpu update? my devices is t825...
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anyone can show a full details on how to install the gpu update? my devices is t825...
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That's what i was previously asking for. So this is no real thread with instructions. Just an short information.
You will find the installation instructions here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-mix/development/driver-adreno-530-540-gpu-driver-t3815853