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Does anyone know which phones I can move to from the Note III that support root, custom bootloader, etc.?
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Does anyone know which phones I can move to from the Note III that support root, custom bootloader, etc.?
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Not a Samsung device with unlocked boot loader as far as I know of Motorola's have some unlockable devices
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I already switched over, ordered a nexus 6p, where the center of development will be at. The only downside is that you have to pay full price on the Google store :what: anyways any kind of nexus device are able to achieve an unlocked bl, carrier unlock, and rootable :beer:
I switched over to the LG G3 about a year ago.
There have been some deals lately on refurbished units on ebay (~$160-$190)
Its got root, and while the bootloader hasn't technically been unlocked, there is a workaround (called bump) so that you can flash a different kernel. I've used CM12 on it, and liked it, but I went back to stock based Jasminerom for the stock camera and circle case features.
My only complaint with the G3 is battery life, but I was also spoiled by the Note3.
I haven't looked into the G4 to see if it has root or any development yet.
This evening I went to the ATT store to get them to swap out my (GoPhone) micro-SIM for a new nano-SIM
Remembering a post over at AP (http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...being-withheld-but-it-doesnt-actually-matter/) I asked the guy:
"I've heard that if I put an ATT SIM in my unlocked phone your netwrok will claim the phone as yours and then it'll be on your update schedule and not on Google's updates"
He said "That doesn't seem right, but let me ask" and goes in back.
Then he comes back out with a colleague, who confirms it.
That seems nuts.
Anyone else have this problem? Anyone encounter it on their Nexus 6?
Thoughts?
edit for email sub. doooh!
We can always flash the OTA ourselves even if that does happen. I didn't notice that behavior on my Nexus 5, was it a Nexus 6 only thing?
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I think that is true only of a phone they they carry.... This phone not being sold through att they would never have an update for it
Your first mistake was believing what a clown working at a cell phone store said.
OTA updates are always released by carriers aren't they? In the case of these nexus phones they just don't mess with them I thought.
I'm sure I'm wrong...lol. It just seems like Sprint, for example, always seems to know ahead of time and releases a document about the OTAs.
Evo_Shift said:
OTA updates are always released by carriers aren't they? In the case of these nexus phones they just don't mess with them I thought.
I'm sure I'm wrong...lol. It just seems like Sprint, for example, always seems to know ahead of time and releases a document about the OTAs.
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Carriers deliver their OTAs for phones that they sell and provide support for. But the Nexus OTAs come from teh Google themselves. Some folks were notified of the OTA on the 5x prior to installing a SIM, just being on wifi.
I had the N6 and bought it through AT&T and I can confirm that I never had to wait for an OTA update through the carrier. Those workers in the stores hardly ever know what they're talking about except their own talking points for each new phone to get you to buy it.
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Your first mistake was believing what a clown working at a cell phone store said.
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This. 99% of them don't even know what a "nexus" is either.
5x / 6p are not carrier phones and have nothing to do with this. You will receive ota's from google directly. Plus its a nexus, most owners are tweaking on their own anyways its why many of us buy this.
The OTA update you receive depends on which SIM card you have in the device. If you don't want a carrier specific OTA, remove your SIM and connect to WiFi when the OTA starts rolling out (assuming you are not on a carrier-specific build already).
Have a look at the Nexus 6 OTA update thread, and you'll see that there were separate builds for T-Mobile, Fi, Sprint, etc. Although unlikely it is possible that Google may not have them for the 5X.
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There are three separate downloads for the Nexus 5X already posted on the Google Dev website. They're not labeled like the Nexus 6.
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There are three separate downloads for the Nexus 5X already posted on the Google Dev website. They're not labeled like the Nexus 6.
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You're right. The first few builds for the 5X are not labeled like the later downloads for the N6. But neither were the first few downloads for the Nexus 6.
OK I'm in for confirmation as well. Currently have this and an MXPE. this will be instantly returned if that ends up being true (but I doubt)
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OK I'm in for confirmation as well. Currently have this and an MXPE. this will be instantly returned if that ends up being true (but I doubt)
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At the end of the day, it makes no difference anyway: all the images are provided and you can choose whichever one you want to flash. There's nothing stopping someone from flashing an AT&T build (if there ends up being one) on a Sprint device or vice-versa.
I found op's post on Google forums. Here's the reply he got
Welcome to the Nexus Help Forum.
Generally if you have a locked phone (i.e. works on a specific carrier like AT&T or Sprint), the AT&T rep is correct. You would be subject to any Android or phone updates from carrier. This is generally the case for recent Nexus locked phones like the Nexus 6 model.
However if you purchased an unlocked phone from the Google Store like the recent Nexus 5X and 6P, you should be able to receive your Android OS OTA updates directly from Google.
Alternatively, you do have the option of flashing a factory image from the Google Developers page directly to your Nexus 6 - thereby skipping the OTA updates from your carrier or Google. Flashing factory images is an option we recommend for users' who've had experience flashing their Android smartphones or tablets before. To find out more about this option, click on the link to the Google Developers website.
Hopefully this answers your question completely.
Regards,
JP
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I work at a tmobile store and two of my coworkers are also nexus users and on xda.
So although this may be common, there are exceptions such as my store
OP here. Called Google. They said these guys are mistaken and there's no way they are locking the phone to the network. Even if ATT were delaying the OTA updates for unlocked non-ATT phones, you could still get it over wifi.
As we thought.
Nexus phones receive OTA's from Google directly, not from the carrier.
I don't know if that can be said if you bought your Nexus from the carrier though. I've bought all my Nexus devices directly from Google.
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Nexus phones receive OTA's from Google directly, not from the carrier.
I don't know if that can be said if you bought your Nexus from the carrier though. I've bought all my Nexus devices directly from Google.
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OTA updates for Nexus devices used on Wi-Fi (i.e., used without a SIM card) come from Google. If you have any SIM card in your device, it comes from Google, but via the carrier. So, even if you bought your device from Google's website, your update will come via AT&T if you are using an AT&T SIM. This was figured out with the Nexus 6: those that had bought their device from Google and were using it with a T-Mobile SIM card received a different OTA update than those that bought their device from Google and were using it with an AT&T SIM card, and likewise with those that bought it from Google, but were using it with a Sprint SIM card.
The bottom line is that you will receive the OTA update which updates you to the "best" build for that carrier, if the builds are going to be indeed optimized on the 5X.
In any case though, it does not matter one bit, as the factory images are posted on Google's website, so, if you wish to flash a T-Mobile ROM while you are using a Sprint SIM, by all means, fill your boots.
I've had my Nexus 6p for 1 week and I have not received any OTA update notifications. I'm still running MDA89D (latest is MDB08M??)
I'm on Verizon (with a sim from my Note 4) and have not done any modifications to the phone yet (bootloader, root, etc)
Am I being too impatient? According to the factory images page, (https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images?hl=en) I'm already 3 releases behind??
Same for me, however I had to go get a new nano Sim from the Verizon store. I'm also not rooted/unlocked and have not received one update.
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2 phones here (one for me, one for my wife). Mine received an update but hers did not. Interestingly enough, however, mine was up and running without the sim card in it for a while prior to putting it in...I just don't understand how Verizon could be blocking anything...I mean the update comes through Google, not Verizon.
Maybe if there's continued reports of it I'll try stealing my wife's phone and removing the sim card to see if it immediately then gets an update. Sure is odd...
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2 phones here (one for me, one for my wife). Mine received an update but hers did not. Interestingly enough, however, mine was up and running without the sim card in it for a while prior to putting it in...I just don't understand how Verizon could be blocking anything...I mean the update comes through Google, not Verizon.
Maybe if there's continued reports of it I'll try stealing my wife's phone and removing the sim card to see if it immediately then gets an update. Sure is odd...
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Interesting. My nephew got his update the day he got the phone. He was running only on wireless because he did not have his Verizon sim card yet. I'm going to try pulling my sim and leaving it on wireless a while. I'll report back if I find anything interesting. Thanks!!
I completely set up my 6p on wifi for a day before getting my nano Sim installed, so no update for me in that respect either.
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Definitely some interesting results here. However, the nexus' updates are different in that OEM's and carriers are kind of "cut out" of the loop....the updates come from Google unless I'm completely missing something. So, my guess would be that maybe, like most updates in general, Google releases them in waves based off SN or IMEI numbers or whatever. I would say chances are good that in the next week or 2 it's hit a lot more devices. Time will tell!
I've been on wifi only since I've gotten my 6p two days ago and no update here. @ohlin5 might be right.
I haven't inserted vz sim yet at all. I received K update at first boot and then M update next day.
I am a bit confused because the help page from Google about system updates mentions that updates should come within 2 weeks of release, but could take longer depending on your carrier.
Not sure if my screenshot image is uploading or not. The quote from the help page is,
"Android updates: Nexus 4, Nexus 5, Nexus 6, Nexus 7, Nexus 9, and Nexus 10 devices get the latest version of Android directly from Google. These devices will receive Android version updates for at least two years from when the device first became available on the Google Store.
Once an update is available, it can take up to two weeks for it to reach your device. Based on your carrier, it may take longer than two weeks after release to get an update."
So is Verizon involved or not? It's very confusing. And a bit disappointing to be so far behind on releases for a new Nexus. I've had my 6P for 5 days now on Verizon, but no update for me either. Still on MDA89D.
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I am a bit confused because the help page from Google about system updates mentions that updates should come within 2 weeks of release, but could take longer depending on your carrier.
Not sure if my screenshot image is uploading or not. The quote from the help page is,
"Android updates: Nexus 4, Nexus 5, Nexus 6, Nexus 7, Nexus 9, and Nexus 10 devices get the latest version of Android directly from Google. These devices will receive Android version updates for at least two years from when the device first became available on the Google Store.
Once an update is available, it can take up to two weeks for it to reach your device. Based on your carrier, it may take longer than two weeks after release to get an update."
So is Verizon involved or not? It's very confusing. And a bit disappointing to be so far behind on releases for a new Nexus. I've had my 6P for 5 days now on Verizon, but no update for me either. Still on MDA89D.
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That's interesting....I wonder if it maybe has something to do with an update needing to be approved by a carrier, first? I honestly don't know that much about the process...I'm not sure if it just comes straight from Google, goes from Google to carriers for carrier certification and THEN Google ships it to those phones on that carrier, or if it just gets passed to the carrier and on to the phones on that carrier from the carrier themselves. Long story short it once again confirms that no wireless company sucks worse than Verizon. I suppose I should be happy that I even have a nexus with them but I can't bring myself to be grateful for them. Has anyone who hasn't gotten an update tried pulling your sim card and booting the phone up after that to see if it triggers any updates to come through? I feel like that information might help in troubleshooting.
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... Has anyone who hasn't gotten an update tried pulling your sim card and booting the phone up after that to see if it triggers any updates to come through? I feel like that information might help in troubleshooting.
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I tried pulling the sim and rebooting but still no update.
So ive had mine on Verizon for a week now from the moment i turned it on. I didn't know there was any updated available and i have been waiting for Wug NRT to update his toolkit for the N6P. i just noticed he did about an hour ago unlocked my bootloader and when it powered back up it had an update so i accepted it and when it rebooted im now running MDB08L ?! I haven't seen this version and on the Wug toolkit there is no option for it. Is this maybe an official build for Verizon? Has anyone else see this version or are running it on there device?
I had my 64 gb for a few days only on wifi and never had an update either
Never had an update either after two weeks with both the 5x and the 6p on Verizon. Ended up flashing the factory images myself since it is a nexus after all ☺
I've had mine for a few days now with no update...on Fi! I'm sure it's just Google staggering the deployment. For some reason, I always seem to be at the tail end of the staggering.
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You could always flash if you are impatient.
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So ive had mine on Verizon for a week now from the moment i turned it on. I didn't know there was any updated available and i have been waiting for Wug NRT to update his toolkit for the N6P. i just noticed he did about an hour ago unlocked my bootloader and when it powered back up it had an update so i accepted it and when it rebooted im now running MDB08L ?! I haven't seen this version and on the Wug toolkit there is no option for it. Is this maybe an official build for Verizon? Has anyone else see this version or are running it on there device?
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No Verizon doesn't build it's all Google. I believe the current complete build is K.
OTA Updates L & M I believe are the new Monthly Security Updates. (Update site doesen't include info on update content)
As L & M were released on same day expect to got from D to K to M.
That's what I think I know anyway. lol
It's an algorithm based on IMEI. You'll get it eventually. The carrier doesn't have anything to do with it.
I will agree it seems to be taking longer this time than usual and I usually got them late on my N5. I'm still on old build as well.
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Mine updated this afternoon!
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It's an algorithm based on IMEI. You'll get it eventually. The carrier doesn't have anything to do with it.
I will agree it seems to be taking longer this time than usual and I usually got them late on my N5. I'm still on old build as well.
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Actually the carrier does have something to do with it. They have to approve updates for phones on their networks, even if there is nothing for them to do with it. Better off just flashing them through twrp.
I just came over to this phone from a Nexus 6. So far, very happy. Looks like the community is pretty small though.
I bought the phone used, and it listed it as unlocked. When I checked the bootloader it showed locked, official software and it has a zero next to the locked device. I searched and saw people saying the number counter goes to a 2 or 3 once it's unlocked. Was this phone ever unlocked if it has the 0?
A.VOID said:
I just came over to this phone from a Nexus 6. So far, very happy. Looks like the community is pretty small though.
I bought the phone used, and it listed it as unlocked. When I checked the bootloader it showed locked, official software and it has a zero next to the locked device. I searched and saw people saying the number counter goes to a 2 or 3 once it's unlocked. Was this phone ever unlocked if it has the 0?
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No, the bootloader was never unlocked. What they probably meant was it was unlocked to use on any carrier.
Glad to hear it, thanks
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Advertising as unlocked, in most cases, means the device is not restricted for the use on one carriers networks.
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Can the unlocked 6P still be purchased direct from Google..? As far as I see, it's only showing the Pixel now. Is that all they're selling atm?
What rock you living under?
You can buy one through Project Fi.
Google currently only offers the Nexus 6P through Project Fi, and it is network unlocked.
Speaking of unlocked, it seems there are some that think when you buy the phone 'unlocked" it means the bootloader is unlocked. I have never received an unlocked phone where the bootloader is unlocked. It's just "Network Unlocked."
intruda119 said:
What rock you living under?
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Not the same rock as you . . . thankfully. Try being helpful instead of abusive, you'll feel better.
ChrisCloud said:
Google currently only offers the Nexus 6P through Project Fi, and it is network unlocked.
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Thanks..!
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Speaking of unlocked, it seems there are some that think when you buy the phone 'unlocked" it means the bootloader is unlocked. I have never received an unlocked phone where the bootloader is unlocked. It's just "Network Unlocked."
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Yes, I understand, that's what I'm looking for. I want something network-indepdendent. I've had Verizon for like 10 years now, and I've been holding onto it tooth & claw because I have an original grandfathered-in unlimited data plan. You can't beat the tower coverage (I live in the boonies), but I'm sick of the high bill. My work provides me with a Sprint S7, but I'm sick of the bloatware & ads, but coverage sucks ass. I want a phone that's squeaky clean, no bloatware, no adware, and one that's easy to root, so I can uninstall & install WTF I want (especially Adaway) . Although, if I do get one that's squeaky clean, I may not care about unlocking the bootloader (for Cyanogenmod etc), but I'd still like to have the option. The reason I settled on the 6P is because a trusted uber-geek friend of mine told me the Google devices come "squeaky clean" aka without bloatware or adware.
Thanks.
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Can the unlocked 6P still be purchased direct from Google..? As far as I see, it's only showing the Pixel now. Is that all they're selling atm?
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Not anymore as it is reported that Google removed it from its site now that it has moved on to the Pixel branding. However, the nexus is an unlocked phone by nature so you can get it from Amazon unlocked.