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Hi guys,
I just come across this blog post and felt the need to reply.
Rob Weber's 2014 Predictions for the Mobile Gaming Market
It quickly turned into my own blog post :laugh:
Overview:
The big 3 Console manufactures have stagnated
Mobile hardware and Google Android is advancing rapidly
Convergence of Mobile HW/SW into the desktop domain
Resurgence of the microcomputer (highend Android appliance)
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I used my laptop (rather then turning on the desktop) mainly for simple general things like emails, web browsing, chat and reading/writing documents etc.
After using the MOJO with a full USB keyboard and mouse on the coffee table for the past week my laptop has been made redundant.
As a desktop/laptop replacement, The MOJO has great performance with superb multi-tasking of applications.
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My blog post is here:
http://xpcoin.com/2014/02/08/micro-consoles-or-microcomputers
Feedback welcome
gwaldo said:
Hi guys,
I just come across this blog post and felt the need to reply.
Rob Weber's 2014 Predictions for the Mobile Gaming Market
It quickly turned into my own blog post :laugh:
My blog post is here:
http://xpcoin.com/2014/02/08/micro-consoles-or-microcomputers
Feedback welcome
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I agree with you gwald. I think android micro-consoles are just beginning. Since the idea of the Ouya came to light, I couldn't wait to get an android gaming console. Of course, Ouya wasn't exactly what I wanted. I think the perfect android console would use a stock google android experience, great hardware and access to any and every game out there in the android ecosystem. Enter: Madcatz MOJO, this does everything I could dream an android console could do - and more. I really think 6 months from now, or by the end of the year, the MOJO will have the updates it needs and more and more controller compatible games will be released - making the MOJO even better. If you were to put an Xbox One, PS4, and MOJO right in front of me I would still pick the MOJO. Android is the perfect OS for gaming console, and devs out there are truly making some really great games - and they are so cheap!
If any gaming systems are going to phase out sooner than later - I'm betting it's going to be the big three. With Android entering the living room space via micro console, hdmi sticks, set top boxes etc - consumers have many more options to choose from, and don't have to spend $400 or more on a console with games at $60 a pop. Just my thoughts!
ya I agree I show my friends that have consoles and they are surprised on the graphics coming from a small box. and its coming along just hope the suppoert for this is long term
Hey thanks for the feed back guys
It's an interesting landscape for sure:
Microsoft considering allowing Android apps to run on both Windows and Windows Phone
Sources familiar with Microsoft’s plans tell The Verge that the company is seriously considering allowing Android apps to run on both Windows and Windows Phone.
While planning is ongoing and it's still early, we’re told that some inside Microsoft favor the idea of simply enabling Android apps inside its Windows and Windows Phone Stores, while others believe it could lead to the death of the Windows platform altogether.
The mixed (and strong) feelings internally highlight that Microsoft will need to be careful with any radical move.
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If MS does provide native support for android apps.. it will make their own native development tools less important.
Making Android demographic's more important then iOS.
It can't be a stock google experience, not until google bakes in a 10' experience based launcher. Using a controller or air mouse to move a cursor on a screen is just terrible ux.
jjprichards said:
It can't be a stock google experience, not until google bakes in a 10' experience based launcher. Using a controller or air mouse to move a cursor on a screen is just terrible ux.
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Thats the reason I love it. Stock Google Android. I wouldn't want some launcher skinned over the top. I like the interface, plus I already know how to use it. After owning my MOJO for over a month, I know the CTRLR like the back of my hand. It's really easy to use. What's more, you can hook up any wired, wireless, or bluetooth device such as a mouse and keyboard to make it more PC like if you want to navigate that way.
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gwaldo said:
Hey thanks for the feed back guys
It's an interesting landscape for sure:
Microsoft considering allowing Android apps to run on both Windows and Windows Phone
If MS does provide native support for android apps.. it will make their own native development tools less important.
Making Android demographic's more important then iOS.
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I think MS implementing android app compatibility is about as likely as Apple producing an android phone. I think MS's next big move is integrating their PC/Tablet/Phone OS's rolled into one. I've read a few articles over the last few months that points this. I think it'd be a cool idea and bring something a little fresher out there for windows users. I really don't see MS pulling out of the phone market anytime soon, but then again, I really don't see them on par with android or apple. I think we still have a few more years to go for MS to stop throwing money at the OS and saying the heck with it. I personally enjoy their mobile OS. Back when the ZuneHD came out, I loved it. Had always thought they were on to something with that user interface - then that turned in to Windows phone pretty much. I know their mobile products aren't the most popular, but it sure is a pretty OS and does the job quite well.
I love my mojo, and the ctrl controller is one of the best I've ever owned.
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The future and the evolution of android consoles and mobile devices is going to be litteraly immense,all pc's and console will likely be made completely redundant within 10 yrs tops i should imagine,as all development and so forth will eventually be producable on an android device or android pc of some description,with the fact the devices use little power then i cannot see why a pc will be the slightest bit necissary unless it has android as a primary os.
The consoles are just begining and it looks like the K1 soc chip will blow the consoles away why fork out 430 GBP for a xbox one or what ever is top trumps as a standard console when the K1 arrives?
The mad catz m.o.j.o i own yes isn't a console in terms of the power of a 360 ps3 or xbox one or a ps4,but with prices of energy bills rising,the fact that games for android are rapidly needing more power from gpu's and the fact they now are actually starting to look amazing on tegra 4,then consoles and windows/apple systems are going to be hard pressed to make ends meet in a shrinking market once the big boy chips arrive for android devices eg.K1 (keplar 1).
I am a computer repair technician and even i can see what is happening,although i may find it eventually bypasses the need for a pc or laptop,it's cheaper to buy hardware and software,and because there are no real mechanical components in android devices as such eg.hdd's ram chips,psu's and so forth and because they are so cheap to replace on average,then people will see other systems as irrelivent and expensive to repair and switch over given time,and the simple fact eg. a mad catz m.o.j.o runs 4.26 to 24v so i here then why pay all the electric cost for 500w pc's and higher to play games? It seems win win for android and loose loose for pc's.
PHYSC-1 said:
The future and the evolution of android consoles and mobile devices is going to be litteraly immense,all pc's and console will likely be made completely redundant within 10 yrs tops i should imagine,as all development and so forth will eventually be producable on an android device or android pc of some description,with the fact the devices use little power then i cannot see why a pc will be the slightest bit necissary unless it has android as a primary os.
The consoles are just begining and it looks like the K1 soc chip will blow the consoles away why fork out 430 GBP for a xbox one or what ever is top trumps as a standard console when the K1 arrives?
The mad catz m.o.j.o i own yes isn't a console in terms of the power of a 360 ps3 or xbox one or a ps4,but with prices of energy bills rising,the fact that games for android are rapidly needing more power from gpu's and the fact they now are actually starting to look amazing on tegra 4,then consoles and windows/apple systems are going to be hard pressed to make ends meet in a shrinking market once the big boy chips arrive for android devices eg.K1 (keplar 1).
I am a computer repair technician and even i can see what is happening,although i may find it eventually bypasses the need for a pc or laptop,it's cheaper to buy hardware and software,and because there are no real mechanical components in android devices as such eg.hdd's ram chips,psu's and so forth and because they are so cheap to replace on average,then people will see other systems as irrelivent and expensive to repair and switch over given time,and the simple fact eg. a mad catz m.o.j.o runs 4.26 to 24v so i here then why pay all the electric cost for 500w pc's and higher to play games? It seems win win for android and loose loose for pc's.
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looks like the K1 soc chip will blow the consoles away
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Your kidding right?
Because the Tegra 4 has 72 Cores, and the Tegra K1 192 Cores, and thats allot less then what the Playstation 4 have, that one has a AMD Radeon GPU with 1152 Cores, and the Xbox One GPU is also a AMD Radeon with 768 Cores.
And thats a LOT MORE then the Tegra K1 with only 192 Cores.
why pay all the electric cost for 500w pc's and higher to play games
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I have a High end Game PC (Intel Core i7 980 + Geforce GTX 680OC + 6 GB RAM 1866MHz) and i can play ALL games on Very High and 1920x1080, and my system uses MAX 320w when i play high end games, have a Energy measurer.
And the newer GPU,s like Geforce GTX 7** and Intel CPU's use even less power then my system, only when you use 2 GPU's you are using
500+ watts, and there are not allot of people with does systems, and i know, because i make PC systems.
But yes 300w +/- is allot more then 5w, but the games still looks and sounds 10 times better then any Android game.
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Your kidding right?
Because the Tegra 4 has 72 Cores, and the Tegra K1 192 Cores, and thats allot less then what the Playstation 4 have, that one has a AMD Radeon GPU with 1152 Cores, and the Xbox One GPU is also a AMD Radeon with 768 Cores.
And thats a LOT MORE then the Tegra K1 with only 192 Cores.
I have a High end Game PC (Intel Core i7 980 + Geforce GTX 680OC + 6 GB RAM 1866MHz) and i can play ALL games on Very High and 1920x1080, and my system uses MAX 320w when i play high end games, have a Energy measurer.
And the newer GPU,s like Geforce GTX 7** and Intel CPU's use even less power then my system, only when you use 2 GPU's you are using
500+ watts, and there are not allot of people with does systems, and i know, because i make PC systems.
But yes 300w +/- is allot more then 5w, but the games still looks and sounds 10 times better then any Android game.
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Sure, now, but the future is not in PC's. PC's will be redundant, as he stated. PC's will soon be the "niche" market. Micro consoles, wearable tech, mobile, cloud, internet of things, is the future. Tech will get smaller and more powerful and everything will "connect". Cloud servers will also be doing a lot of the processing and storage, meaning less need for powerful hardware from the user. Of course, these things will bring up privacy and security issues, but that's a different topic for a different day I suppose.
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Sure, now, but the future is not in PC's. PC's will be redundant, as he stated. PC's will soon be the "niche" market. Micro consoles, wearable tech, mobile, cloud, internet of things, is the future. Tech will get smaller and more powerful and everything will "connect". Cloud servers will also be doing a lot of the processing and storage, meaning less need for powerful hardware from the user. Of course, these things will bring up privacy and security issues, but that's a different topic for a different day I suppose.
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Yes your right about that.
And that the reason i do not use Cloud servers for photos or music, only for Apps or Firmwares and such, and thats also the reason i do not use
Facebook or twitter.
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Your kidding right?
Because the Tegra 4 has 72 Cores, and the Tegra K1 192 Cores, and thats allot less then what the Playstation 4 have, that one has a AMD Radeon GPU with 1152 Cores, and the Xbox One GPU is also a AMD Radeon with 768 Cores.
And thats a LOT MORE then the Tegra K1 with only 192 Cores.
I have a High end Game PC (Intel Core i7 980 + Geforce GTX 680OC + 6 GB RAM 1866MHz) and i can play ALL games on Very High and 1920x1080, and my system uses MAX 320w when i play high end games, have a Energy measurer.
And the newer GPU,s like Geforce GTX 7** and Intel CPU's use even less power then my system, only when you use 2 GPU's you are using
500+ watts, and there are not allot of people with does systems, and i know, because i make PC systems.
But yes 300w +/- is allot more then 5w, but the games still looks and sounds 10 times better then any Android game.
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Keplar is high end gaming graphics architecture is it not from what online info dictates?
Besides the point is "apparently" either way you cut it the world of android gaming will be changed forever when the K1 hit's high street stores and every other system i'm guessing will be extortionately more expensive in comparrison and therefore irrelevant once it progreses further.Why bother with big bulky systems when 1 fits all solutions half or a 3rd the price come of age and compete at least with gaming rigs in some way shape or form.The other thing is watts the power consumption of gaming rigs is miles above that of android tv box's yet they seem to process data at astonishing rates,i had a fm2 quad 3.6ghz 8gb ddr3 and ssd drive and i'd say my tegra 4 mad catz mojo is knocking close-ish to that so why bother if i pay 179.95 gbp for that yeah games aren't as good but they feel different in a unique and good way,but keplar is supposedly going to add pc level graphics when that comes so maybe i'll upgrade then?
Bu basically pc gpu's have to be continually upgraded but android devices last far longer before the need so i'd rather pay the couple or few hundred quid on a whole android console than i would for a pc gpu every yr or so just to play the games,whereas i would be getting a whole android console for that price and not need to do so for 3 years at a guess saving half the money and staying in the trend with android gaming apposed to pc gaming,which is all about fps these days now any way,i got bored of it all being uniform.Pc games are great at times but they arebecoming a bit tedious these days in my personal opinion.
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christoph80 said:
Sure, now, but the future is not in PC's. PC's will be redundant, as he stated. PC's will soon be the "niche" market. Micro consoles, wearable tech, mobile, cloud, internet of things, is the future. Tech will get smaller and more powerful and everything will "connect". Cloud servers will also be doing a lot of the processing and storage, meaning less need for powerful hardware from the user. Of course, these things will bring up privacy and security issues, but that's a different topic for a different day I suppose.
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Absolutely right,couldn't say it better.Privacy issues are the only reason from reading posts online that the current businesses have not yet switched to android as the main os of favour.
But all that is really needed is companies to adopt the use of vpn's and the security issues are sliced down to almost nothing or at the very least dramatically cut down.
There are some android touch screen pc's coming to the market soon unless the us and japan etc has them now?Once this happens i can see companies adopting them any way.No more extra cost on parts and no more waiting times as such in software,it's just better and in fact it's safer to use than windows ,cloud storage systems are a good idea but i'd still back my systems up to an external hard drive and not to a cloud thus narrowing down the chances of data theft.
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Keplar is high end gaming graphics architecture is it not from what online info dictates?
Besides the point is "apparently" either way you cut it the world of android gaming will be changed forever when the K1 hit's high street stores and every other system i'm guessing will be extortionately more expensive in comparrison and therefore irrelevant once it progreses further.Why bother with big bulky systems when 1 fits all solutions half or a 3rd the price come of age and compete at least with gaming rigs in some way shape or form.The other thing is watts the power consumption of gaming rigs is miles above that of android tv box's yet they seem to process data at astonishing rates,i had a fm2 quad 3.6ghz 8gb ddr3 and ssd drive and i'd say my tegra 4 mad catz mojo is knocking close-ish to that so why bother if i pay 179.95 gbp for that yeah games aren't as good but they feel different in a unique and good way,but keplar is supposedly going to add pc level graphics when that comes so maybe i'll upgrade then?
Bu basically pc gpu's have to be continually upgraded but android devices last far longer before the need so i'd rather pay the couple or few hundred quid on a whole android console than i would for a pc gpu every yr or so just to play the games,whereas i would be getting a whole android console for that price and not need to do so for 3 years at a guess saving half the money and staying in the trend with android gaming apposed to pc gaming,which is all about fps these days now any way,i got bored of it all being uniform.Pc games are great at times but they arebecoming a bit tedious these days in my personal opinion.
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Absolutely right,couldn't say it better.Privacy issues are the only reason from reading posts online that the current businesses have not yet switched to android as the main os of favour.
But all that is really needed is companies to adopt the use of vpn's and the security issues are sliced down to almost nothing or at the very least dramatically cut down.
There are some android touch screen pc's coming to the market soon unless the us and japan etc has them now?Once this happens i can see companies adopting them any way.No more extra cost on parts and no more waiting times as such in software,it's just better and in fact it's safer to use than windows ,cloud storage systems are a good idea but i'd still back my systems up to an external hard drive and not to a cloud thus narrowing down the chances of data theft.
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Sorry to say but the fm2 quad 3.6ghz 8gb ddr3 is MUCH faster then your Mad Catz M.O.J.O., you can't even compare the two of them, but you forget one thing Windows uses a lot of power, put Linux on your computer and he will blow Windows away.
And sorry to say but MOST people buy a different Phone or in your case Android TV Box every year.
And i buy a new GFX Card every 3 a 4 years, and MB i do even longer with, my X58 is already 4 years old, and the same for CPU, updated my
Intel CPU from Quad to 6-Core, almost 2 years ago.
And the world of android gaming will NOT be changed forever with the the Tegra K1, because when it cames out there will be GPU's and
CPU's that are as fast as that one, or even faster, same with Tegra 4.
The Tegra 4 is nothing special, the GPU that is in the Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 (the Adreno 330) is as fast (and sometimes faster) as the
Tegra 4.
And with the Tegra K1 we will NOT get PC or Playstation 4 or Xbox One graphics, that still is going to be allot of years, or do you think
Sony and Microsoft are stupit if Android devices are as good looking (graphics) as them in only a view years?
And Android devices also have to be upgraded ever time, to play all games 100%.
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Keplar is high end gaming graphics architecture is it not from what online info dictates?
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Yes it is, but not compared to latest PC/console tech.
Keplar is being compared to PS3/XBox360 and it will be a lot better then those... but these systems are over 6 years old and I would say the T4 is very close or better, ie the reflections the T4 does looks better then anything I've seen on those consoles.
NVidia is taking a huge gamble not focusing mobile phone hardware and moving more into TV boxes, tablets, android laptops... android desktops
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gwaldo said:
Yes it is, but not compared to latest PC/console tech.
Keplar is being compared to PS3/XBox360 and it will be a lot better then those... but these systems are over 6 years old and I would say the T4 is very close or better, ie the reflections the T4 does looks better then anything I've seen on those consoles.
NVidia is taking a huge gamble not focusing mobile phone hardware and moving more into TV boxes, tablets, android laptops... android desktops
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It's the parker chip being compared to the xbox 360 and ps3 mate not the K1 the K1 can run unreal engine 4 and has been demoed doing so at E3,i think that unreal engine 4 is leaps and bounds above ps3 and 360 capabilities i imagine it is any way?
The point i am making in general without trying to get on the wrong side of pc rig owners is this: It's innevitable that android will basically take most of the market for contempary tech,it will progress and it will overtake all but the equipment used to create it's software on in all likelyhood maybe not overnight or in a year or 3 but in time it will or something new will take off where it left off but likely android will be long lasting and evolve rapidly year by year,but even the tech (pc's) used to make android os in time be made via android computers as apposed to a windows build pc's with an android software on it.But people aren't these days looking for gaming rigs like they used to do as they are extremely expensive and android sits in a sort of middle ground somewhere between being a computer and a games console,but why buy one or the other if you can have both rolled in one?That's the perspective of the majority of end users and the younger tech oriented society today i woul imagine and it's a simple cold hard fact that it is what it is and will be what it will be.Just look at things like hud motorcycle helmets and golden-i with the police pro app and fire fighting app,it will become commercialy used given little time as a business os android will become the go to software.It's cheap it's easy and it doesn't "yet" harbour the kinds of difficulties of use or protection requirements of pc based computers as it's a mobile os.
Looking at the guy with the rig your talkin 1000 pounds plus for that system how many android gaming devices and wearable tech items could that buy you nowdays with cash like that.
It's absolutely no wonder using an i7 system you wouldn't need to buy anything else for a while,i love pc's i fix them buought a number of them for gaming amd builds but none the less the point there is pay loads of money and you get great pc's pay 180 quid on a mad catz m.o.j.o or similar and you get technically a pc and android gaming console with controller and shed loads left over to spend on thenext newest units.The other factor is your energy bills would be sky rocket in comparrisons as well.So android makes sense in todays climate and has the potential to give gaming rigs a run for their money given enough time to evolve.
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It's the parker chip being compared to the xbox 360 and ps3 mate not the K1 the K1 can run unreal engine 4 and has been demoed doing so at E3,i think that unreal engine 4 is leaps and bounds above ps3 and 360 capabilities i imagine it is any way?
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You can make almost any engine run on a Android system, just put detail VERY low and all the rest and whalla he will run on the slow Android
CPU/GPU, i mean compared to PC and newer Consoles.
PHYSC-1 said:
The point i am making in general without trying to get on the wrong side of pc rig owners is this: It's innevitable that android will basically take most of the market for contempary tech,it will progress and it will overtake all but the equipment used to create it's software on in all likelyhood maybe not overnight or in a year or 3 but in time it will or something new will take off where it left off but likely android will be long lasting and evolve rapidly year by year,but even the tech (pc's) used to make android os in time be made via android computers as apposed to a windows build pc's with an android software on it.But people aren't these days looking for gaming rigs like they used to do as they are extremely expensive and android sits in a sort of middle ground somewhere between being a computer and a games console,but why buy one or the other if you can have both rolled in one?That's the perspective of the majority of end users and the younger tech oriented society today i woul imagine and it's a simple cold hard fact that it is what it is and will be what it will be.Just look at things like hud motorcycle helmets and golden-i with the police pro app and fire fighting app,it will become commercialy used given little time as a business os android will become the go to software.It's cheap it's easy and it doesn't "yet" harbour the kinds of difficulties of use or protection requirements of pc based computers as it's a mobile os.
Looking at the guy with the rig your talkin 1000 pounds plus for that system how many android gaming devices and wearable tech items could that buy you nowdays with cash like that.
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HAHA, sorry to say but you are right about the future, but we are still not there, that will take many years still, and sorry to say but there are as many
people (even more) now as there was 5 years ago that buy a PC Game system that cost 1000 Pounds or more, the LAN-parties are only getting bigger
and bigger, so no there are not less people with a Game PC's, a Game Laptop is also a Game PC, but then portable.
And the Game consoles, Like the Playstation 3 and 4 and Xbox One are the middle ground, and NOT Android TV Boxes, i know no one that uses or
have a Android TV Box, only the ones i have given one myself.
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It's absolutely no wonder using an i7 system you wouldn't need to buy anything else for a while,i love pc's i fix them buought a number of them for gaming amd builds but none the less the point there is pay loads of money and you get great pc's pay 180 quid on a mad catz m.o.j.o or similar and you get technically a pc and android gaming console with controller and shed loads left over to spend on thenext newest units.The other factor is your energy bills would be sky rocket in comparrisons as well.So android makes sense in todays climate and has the potential to give gaming rigs a run for their money given enough time to evolve.
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But still it's NOTHING like a Game PC, and thats the point i am trying to make you see a long time now, people still do not buy Android TV BOXES, they
buy a Laptop PC Or Game PC or Playstation 4 and Xbox One to play games on or look at movies and download with and Internet with.
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As i said before it is what it is and it will be what it will be,the android gaming era is about to make a massive shift sooner rather than later.And where there is a consumer market with far less money to burn,then i am afraid it is just pure and simple calculation and common sense to think that people will go for the cheaper option in such hard times.And as it stands to get unreal engine 4 capable graphics then people are going to think i would rather pay a couple or few hundred quid not a grand.
Agreed
AmigaWolf said:
You can make almost any engine run on a Android system, just put detail VERY low and all the rest and whalla he will run on the slow Android
CPU/GPU, i mean compared to PC and newer Consoles.
HAHA, sorry to say but you are right about the future, but we are still not there, that will take many years still, and sorry to say but there are as many
people (even more) now as there was 5 years ago that buy a PC Game system that cost 1000 Pounds or more, the LAN-parties are only getting bigger
and bigger, so no there are not less people with a Game PC's, a Game Laptop is also a Game PC, but then portable.
And the Game consoles, Like the Playstation 3 and 4 and Xbox One are the middle ground, and NOT Android TV Boxes, i know no one that uses or
have a Android TV Box, only the ones i have given one myself.
But still it's NOTHING like a Game PC, and thats the point i am trying to make you see a long time now, people still do not buy Android TV BOXES, they
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I agree with you it's nothing like pc games 'yet' on android meaning those style games will come as hardware capability evolves with k1 ushering in that start point for change graphically on android units, but pc games are now a little uniform and tbh a little bit tedious, android offers fresh ideas in play style very often, it's sort of a break from the mundane if you like.Not that all pc games are mundane but lets face it tonnes of the releases are an upgrade to predated games or a repetitive style of game that got an update/upgrade or hd rewrite.The production of new pc games seems to be falling where android software and app production seems to be continually and very quickly rising.
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The production of new pc games seems to be falling where android software and app production seems to be continually and very quickly rising.
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Yeah I agree, it reminds me of gaming on PC back in windows 3 days.
Not as popular as consoles gaming.. but it did got there...
The same is happening with Android.... it just needs one 'doom' like game or TV app
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Yeah I agree, it reminds me of gaming on PC back in windows 3 days.
Not as popular as consoles gaming.. but it did got there...
The same is happening with Android.... it just needs one 'doom' like game or TV app
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tbh i do have the sneeking suspision that epic working with nvidia on android software = either gears of war or a new game that bares some form of resembelance to it or makes the same kind of impact on android as it did for the 360 once this keplar chip comes of ag, you may find that title is being kept under tight wraps and will make a debut when k1 hits stores as the flagship game of choice and favor or at the least one of them.
It's got to be a team effort and must be why they are working in parallel at present in regards to this keplar k1 chip software for it's games.Apparently borderlands was supposed to hit the current tegra 4 but i think that may be a title for keplar k1 as well,in fact borderlands has even got a trailer forget the exact title but it's hanging about on youtube right now,it only seems to be video and not ingame footage though unfortunately.So maybe that is because it takes keplar to run it on?They will probably bang out a more vast selection of games on release day this time,because it would definately appear some serious game making firms are in cahoots with nvidia in relation to android gaming as of late.And my money would be on the bet that keplar is the main reason for this sudden interest,as it's going to be yet another console platform for companies to work with.
Would you like the option to buy a $149 Nexus Player with 64gb, 2gb ram, & Ethernet?
Hell throw in some full size USB 3.0 ports and an sd card slot and I would gladly pay $199 for the device.
I don't understand why Google didn't unveil two versions of the Nexus Player, one with more storage for $50 more. They have always released a more expensive bigger capacity version of all their Nexus devices, phones and tablets in the past.
I suspect that price and those specs would be a fantasy. I would suspect that for $149, you'd get 32GB internal and 2GB RAM, or 16GB internal, 2GB RAM, and ethernet.
If they were to release another device with better specs, I might get it, but only as something to run Ubuntu on.
My thinking is: this is designed as a streaming device. You don't need insane specs to stream a video or some music. It is also designed to handle games, but generally arcade-style games; light on the graphics and more targeted as a family/party gaming device. This also has plenty of power for emulators.
The point of high specs on a phone or tablet is so that you can play games when you're away from home. If you're going to plan on playing graphics-intensive console games in your living room, there are already devices for that. It's going to be quite a few more years before the big game franchises are running commercials that say "Coming this November to Xbox, PlayStation, and Android."
Again, with storage, if you've already got some big library of movies and music, it's going to be on your computer, and you can always stream it over your network.
The only major hardware failing, in my mind, is that they really missed the opportunity to upsell with a $15 Nexus-Player-branded OTG Ethernet dongle.
Plus when you start geting in the $150-$250 price range, you open up a lot better options in home streaming that leave android based systems behind. Non-android HTPC's start at that price point and nothing in the android line can compete because everything including speed, audio, and video out performs android. The android market is a $100 plug and play unit, something simple to set up and cheap.
I don't see the need for 64gb, unless you plan on installing 30 games.
Ethernet would be useful, but not necessary as long as you have a good WiFi router and you're not trying to use the router from your cable provider.
I don't see the need for USB 3.0 either. Most peripherals work fine on 2.0, even interface devices don't need more than USB 1.0. The only advantage I see 3.0 having is when connected to a storage device, and even then you wouldn't really have an advantage over 2.0. Then again, connecting storage defeats the purpose of a streaming device.
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I suspect that price and those specs would be a fantasy. I would suspect that for $149, you'd get 32GB internal and 2GB RAM, or 16GB internal, 2GB RAM, and ethernet.
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That should be awsome 1GB ram i think is a bit to low
OP pics u still rockin that TILT or i dnt believe u
The fire TV has more RAM and it's the same price.
I would.
Some may suggest I stream everything from my PC, but what if I want to bring my collection with me? 8gb HD, so really 7gb usable. A couple big games, a little bit of music, and 2 HD movies, and that's full. Doing TV, you could fit MAYBE a full season of a 1-hour show on there, and you'd need to uninstall your games.
Am I the only one who brings my blu-ray player and a binder of movies with me when I travel?
I want 64gb of storage because it would be an amazing gaming and emulator machine with that. It has an amazing cpu and gpu, way better than even the firetv. If only it had some more storage, it would be perfect.
I think storage is the main issue with the device. Yes, it is made for streaming video but it is also designed as a gaming device (hence the official gamepad accessory). 8GB of storage is just not enough. 16GB would be adequate but 32GB is really ideal. with 8GB of storage you'd only end up with about 5.5GB of usable space, and there are games that take up over 1GB on their own.
I don't think I would. $99 is kind of the sweet-spot for a standalone TV "puck", IMO. Any higher than that just feels like a half measure to me. If you're going $150, then you might as well just go to $200-$300 and run an atom or i3-based PC.
Also, the ethernet thing is way overblow. Get an AC router and sleep well at night.
I would certainly jump on some of that price tag. Would also like to have more information on the soc it use, I do not see much information on it around!
Jon Stewart said:
Hell throw in some full size USB 3.0 ports and an sd card slot and I would gladly pay $199 for the device.
I don't understand why Google didn't unveil two versions of the Nexus Player, one with more storage for $50 more. They have always released a more expensive bigger capacity version of all their Nexus devices, phones and tablets in the past.
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No, but I'd like a $99 version with 4GB RAM and replaceable SSD.
TBH I cant ever see the player being the "right" value point, as it stands might as well go buy a lowend NUC(or like) device and have pretty much the freedom to load it up with whatever amt of ram/storage and then IF you REALLY REALLY REALLY want to install x86 android, but personally I'd just slap a lightweight linux distro, xbmc, plex, and steam on it... maybe dual boot a tiny android setup, but linux would be the default...
I did finally pick up a chromebook though, but the highend C720 i3/4GB that got SSD upgrade and croutonized for now. CrOS was less useless than I expected it to be, but running CrOS alone only the cheapest models are of any value purely as 2ndary or tertiary notebooks. I;m actually using Cros quite a bit for web browsing, probably never touch another tablet again unless I need an ereader in a pinch if I forget to charge the kindle(and it;s not a bright sunny day/location so lets hope batt only croaks at night).
So how does this add in? I found tablets only slightly useful for web browsing and occasional PDFs. Entry of anything relatively complex was a PITA -> overgrown phone -> Crbook (conceptually my tablet replacement , small, light, has keyboard and trackpad and as a bonus can be semi-useful linux notebook). TV, well I currently have a Roku 3 which is OK, but since AppleTV, GoogleTV, chromecast, amazon stuck in amazonland stick, generic Android/ARM sticks weren't enough to supplant the Roku3, HOWEVER I am(/have been) considering what I wrote above with a NUC or like as a tiny HTPC running linux and that sums up how I feel about most of these devices. So many looking for a problem to solve or partially solving a problem that superior devices already do so at similar(with better specs) or MUCH lower prices.
I'm not going to talk about the "smart" watches other than the above also applies in an even worse case to them(no problem to solve at all) and that they're not actually smart at all(mostly and the ones that are kinda smart are just idiot savants in a useless field).
Glass OTOH could potentially be very useful with a capability of recognizing and overlaying schematics/etc but not $1.5k useful.
So long and short player is already too expensively useless, why make it more so?
cutterjohn said:
No, but I'd like a $99 version with 4GB RAM and replaceable SSD.
TBH I cant ever see the player being the "right" value point, as it stands might as well go buy a lowend NUC(or like) device and have pretty much the freedom to load it up with whatever amt of ram/storage and then IF you REALLY REALLY REALLY want to install x86 android, but personally I'd just slap a lightweight linux distro, xbmc, plex, and steam on it... maybe dual boot a tiny android setup, but linux would be the default...
I did finally pick up a chromebook though, but the highend C720 i3/4GB that got SSD upgrade and croutonized for now. CrOS was less useless than I expected it to be, but running CrOS alone only the cheapest models are of any value purely as 2ndary or tertiary notebooks. I;m actually using Cros quite a bit for web browsing, probably never touch another tablet again unless I need an ereader in a pinch if I forget to charge the kindle(and it;s not a bright sunny day/location so lets hope batt only croaks at night).
So how does this add in? I found tablets only slightly useful for web browsing and occasional PDFs. Entry of anything relatively complex was a PITA -> overgrown phone -> Crbook (conceptually my tablet replacement , small, light, has keyboard and trackpad and as a bonus can be semi-useful linux notebook). TV, well I currently have a Roku 3 which is OK, but since AppleTV, GoogleTV, chromecast, amazon stuck in amazonland stick, generic Android/ARM sticks weren't enough to supplant the Roku3, HOWEVER I am(/have been) considering what I wrote above with a NUC or like as a tiny HTPC running linux and that sums up how I feel about most of these devices. So many looking for a problem to solve or partially solving a problem that superior devices already do so at similar(with better specs) or MUCH lower prices.
I'm not going to talk about the "smart" watches other than the above also applies in an even worse case to them(no problem to solve at all) and that they're not actually smart at all(mostly and the ones that are kinda smart are just idiot savants in a useless field).
Glass OTOH could potentially be very useful with a capability of recognizing and overlaying schematics/etc but not $1.5k useful.
So long and short player is already too expensively useless, why make it more so?
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Well, I'm glad you stopped by a forum dedicated to a device you clearly have neither the desire nor need to use. And thank you also for providing us with you opinion on a bunch of things that have nothing to do with it.
razor is making a android tv box but they haven't released specs, im assuming it will have much of what people want since its centered around gaming
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razor is making a android tv box but they haven't released specs, im assuming it will have much of what people want since its centered around gaming
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Generally though their products are a little... overpriced. However, if the specs are better and still able to be used as easily as a streaming player, I might get one.
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razor is making a android tv box but they haven't released specs, im assuming it will have much of what people want since its centered around gaming
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Razer's product is vaporware, at the moment. Lollipop is out, the Nexus Player is out, and not a peep from Razer. They have a bad habit of hyping up products just to see them delayed, never released, released in limited quality, and/or cancelled altogether. Never did see their Razer Edge in stores (was supposed to hit MS stores upon release). They were delayed, quietly released in limited quantities, and are now VERY difficult to find. Razer also doesn't have a very good brick and mortar distribution channel for their higher end products outside of mice/keyboards.
I wouldn't get my hopes up on this product. If it actually gets released, I'm expecting it to have the best specs of any late 2014 ATV player, but to be released in limited quantities before Christmas 2015, and at a higher price point as well.
EDIT: Can everyone who visits this thread please take the time to do a official request for adding the SHIELD Console forums? Just visit the below thread and put in your request please. Thanks
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1660354
ORIGINAL POST:
Is this a new device coming out this Summer? I don't even see a section at XDA for it, or any mention of it here in these Shield threads, yet its based on Android TV and the Tegra X1, with the below specs. I'm in the market for a Android TV, so this interests me.
http://shield.nvidia.com/
http://shield.nvidia.com/console
Specifications:
Processor NVIDIA® Tegra® X1 processor
256-core Maxwell™ GPU with 3GB RAM
Video Features 4K Ultra-HD ready with 4K playback and capture up to 60 fps (VP9, H265, H264)
Audio 7.1 and 5.1 surround sound pass through over HDMI
High-resolution audio playback up to 24-bit/192 kHz over HDMI and USB
High-resolution audio up-sample to 24-bit/192 kHz over USB
Storage* 16 GB
Wireless 802.11ac 2x2 MIMO 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz Wi-Fi
Bluetooth 4.1/BLE
Interfaces Gigabit Ethernet
HDMI 2.0
Two USB 3.0 (Type A)
Micro-USB 2.0
MicroSD slot
IR Receiver (compatible with Logitech Harmony)
Software Updates SHIELD software upgrades directly from NVIDIA
Gaming Features NVIDIA GRID™ game streaming service
NVIDIA Share
NVIDIA GameStream™
Power 40 W power adapter
Weight and Size Weight: 23 oz / 654 g
Height: 5.1 in / 130 mm
Width: 8.3 in / 210 mm
Depth: 1.0 in / 25 mm
Operating System Android TV™, Google Cast™ Ready
Included Apps = PLEX
It is a new android TV console made by Nvidia. The Cpu/GPU is the latest tegra X1 that is insanely fast! Much faster than Snapdragon 810 and Exynos 7.
Release date is in may and will cost 199$
Just saw some games that will be released like Metal Gear rising? will those be on the cloud or it will run natively on the shield it self? if its only on the cloud the this is not a console its just a streaming device that requires very fast internet which not all countries have specially here in the Philippines
RollWii said:
Just saw some games that will be released like Metal Gear rising? will those be on the cloud or it will run natively on the shield it self? if its only on the cloud the this is not a console its just a streaming device that requires very fast internet which not all countries have specially here in the Philippines
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Games like Crysis 3 will run natively on it (not in the cloud).
(Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)
Correct, there are a few big-name games being modded/re-written to run natively on the platform. Of them, "Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel" , "Doom 3: BFG Edition" , and "Crysis 3". They demoed all of these. Doom3 and Crysis looked like they ran pretty well. Borderlands ran like a slug and obviously needed a lot more optimization.
That being said, they were really pushing the GRID services heavily, and a number of the announced launch titles were actually GRID games (AKA, PC games virtualized in a server center and streamed to your natively like OnLive or Gaikai/PS-Now, but with the improvements that nVidia has learned from the virtualization and distributed/parallel computing sectors). Anybody who has a current SHIELD device (portable or Tablet) and is within the USA should try it on their current devices at least a few times before it goes subscription model. It is currently in beta and free for all Shield devices, but the servers are in the USA, and the lag times may be unacceptable for some games if you are overseas or just have a laggy connection in general. It will officially come out of beta at the time when the Shield Console goes on sale, which will end the year-plus free ride so far.
ryocoon said:
Correct, there are a few big-name games being modded/re-written to run natively on the platform. Of them, "Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel" , "Doom 3: BFG Edition" , and "Crysis 3". They demoed all of these. Doom3 and Crysis looked like they ran pretty well. Borderlands ran like a slug and obviously needed a lot more optimization.
That being said, they were really pushing the GRID services heavily, and a number of the announced launch titles were actually GRID games (AKA, PC games virtualized in a server center and streamed to your natively like OnLive or Gaikai/PS-Now, but with the improvements that nVidia has learned from the virtualization and distributed/parallel computing sectors). Anybody who has a current SHIELD device (portable or Tablet) and is within the USA should try it on their current devices at least a few times before it goes subscription model. It is currently in beta and free for all Shield devices, but the servers are in the USA, and the lag times may be unacceptable for some games if you are overseas or just have a laggy connection in general. It will officially come out of beta at the time when the Shield Console goes on sale, which will end the year-plus free ride so far.
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I'm more interested what it will eventually do for media myself. And it MUST be rootable for me to even consider it as an option. The specs, at least for the Android world are nothing short of brilliant. However, again I want media apps mainly, such as Kodi, Plex, Netflix playback and casting to be flawless. For now the Nexus Player still turns me on more even with it being wifi only. However, If the NVIDIA Console becomes rootable with FULL custom Android ROM's I am going to change my mind in a heartbeat though, haha.
Considering that all of the nVidia devices to date have been extremely easy to unlock and root, I'm going to say that, yeah, it is mostly likely going to be root-able. Whether it can handle Kodi/Plex/Netflix/Etc at 4K is up to those developers. I know NetFlix has 4K content, but I'm not sure how they differentiate and enable it to be honest.
I have the Nexus Player, and I honestly feel a bit like a chump for getting it and so soon this device is announced. I can always use it in another room or something though.
The big rub with Android TV so far is that the default UI, the LeanBack Launcher, will not display some apps unless they declare themselves as leanback capable (which includes some XML, an art asset or two for different shape/size icons, navigation by controller/keys, and search-ability in some cases). This is a problem I've run into on my Nexus Player. Now, nVidia may snub the LeanBack launcher and may integrate some LeanBack function into their nVidia Hub (like on the Shield Tablet and Shield Portable) which recognizes dozens of media apps, games, and some other things and has a launcher in its own UI. However, if apps make themselves noted for LeanBack, they show up fine on the normal AndroidTV interface. What is better, if they include search, then you can voice search for titles in media apps, and if it includes some sort of rating or recommendation feature (like Hulu or YouTube) they can integrate that and you can get recommendations of what to watch directly in your launcher UI on the top row. Less important for games, maybe important for Game discovery, but definitely an interesting thing for the media watchers amongst us. I doubt recommendation would work on something like Plex, and KODI is its own UI entirely, skipping LeanBack or even nVidia hub (to be honest, I've never been a fan of XBMC's UI, and Kodi hasn't won me over yet either... too fidgety and I can't trust a 'normal' person to be able to understand and operate it). Like I stated above, the machine has the horsepower, but it will be up to app developers to show up with a "flawless" app that will work on it well.
Casting works pretty damn well on my Nexus Player, so I bet with MIMO capable AC spec WiFi, and also ethernet inclusion, you will get pretty damn good casting from Chromecast apps, as that is built into AndroidTV's OS.
Mind you a lot of this is based upon speculation on specs, existing hardware, and my knowledge of the AndroidTV OS and how it functions. Your mileage may vary, terms and conditions subject to actual reality upon device launch.
Yeah chances are my mileage will most likely vary, unless for some odd reason I am forced to run the stock Android TV experience. Since 2010 I have not ran anything stock, so not even sure what that is like, and pretty sure I don't want to know, lol. I was thinking about a full rom flashed on it immediately out of the box, installing Nova Launcher, my Planets live wallpaper, throwing up all the streaming apps onto the home screen, and hoping it just works like it did for the Nexus Player user on Youtube. I want to setup my own media streamer home page and experience. 4K would be future proof, but I have no plans to get rid of the 1080p TV that this device will be attached to, not before it naturally dies on me. I still like the Nexus Player as it will fit right in with all my other Nexus devices. I just need to see more development work taking place on it.
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Yeah chances are my mileage will most likely vary, unless for some odd reason I am forced to run the stock Android TV experience. Since 2010 I have not ran anything stock, so not even sure what that is like, and pretty sure I don't want to know, lol. I was thinking about a full rom flashed on it immediately out of the box, installing Nova Launcher, my Planets live wallpaper, throwing up all the streaming apps onto the home screen, and hoping it just works like it did for the Nexus Player user on Youtube. I want to setup my own media streamer home page and experience. 4K would be future proof, but I have no plans to get rid of the 1080p TV that this device will be attached to, not before it naturally dies on me. I still like the Nexus Player as it will fit right in with all my other Nexus devices. I just need to see more development work taking place on it.
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I'm still waiting for this device. Hopefully it's better than the garbage that the Razer Forge TV was. The mods and such at the nVidia forums still say it's coming out in may. The Forge didn't release with Netflix, and there might be a chance the same will happen with the Nvidia Shield Android TV, but I'd be ok with Nvidia as they're going to have 4k display support for netflix.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/...blet/nvidia-shield-tv-console-release-date/2/
I just got an email from NVIDIA saying its almost here. It starts out saying the wait is over, but then goes on to say its still not available and that they are giving away one Shield Console everyday until it is available to the public. I hate emails that start off telling you the wait is over but then asks you to wait some more, lol...
Its out!
Although only can see USA and Canada
$199.99 for 16GB
$299.99 for 500GB
http://shield.nvidia.com/android-tv
I'm not personally too interested in the gaming aspects but that amount of GPU power will prove very, very interesting. My main hope is that somebody can produce a minimal linux install for HTPC with Kodi and mpv builds, or perhaps just a release of Debian.
This device is the perfect low-cost HTPC. It should have more than sufficient CPU power for 10-bit h.264 and h.265 decode as well as sufficient compute power on the GPU side for EWA-type resamplers for chroma and image. I'm given to understand the X1 has full desktop opengl compatibility so it ought to be fully compatible with mpv (though I'm unsure of the state of the ARM builds).
The denver CPU should be more than enough to handle metadata crawling and the likes via Kodi in a non-sluggish fashion too. Christ, this device needs more videophile attention...
Just ordered mine on Amazon. It'll be here Sunday.
XDA needs a forum for it. This old shield handheld forum is for a completely different device.
Just ordered mine from Amazon US to be delivered to the UK next week by expedited delivery. What an absolute beast of a machine.
skrowl said:
Just ordered mine on Amazon. It'll be here Sunday.
XDA needs a forum for it. This old shield handheld forum is for a completely different device.
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me too!
returning my fire tv to them for a full refund, and getting this
this will be great to stream my pc to the tv so i can play games like witcher 3 in full 4k 50" vs 1080p 24"
and all the other stuff it does
Full review
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9289/the-nvidia-shield-android-tv-review
Shield Console Rooting Experience Thus Far...
Got mine this afternoon and after futzing a bit, tried to root it. It came with developer mode already enabled, one hassle for me is that rebooting to fastboot makes the screen blank so I had to fly blind to oem unlock. So, I've got an unlocked system at the moment, but Super SU is still not working because their is no su on the device. Anyone make it any further than me? I also went ahead and cracked it open to see if there were obvious serial port connection points. Looks like there's a nice spot for a laptop hard drive that is probably populated in the Pro model.
I'm going to look into building my own kernel + ramdisk to try and get the necessary tools in place so SuperSU can work, but I'm a bit worried that the screen isn't going to work and so I'll essentially be flying blind through the whole process.
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Looks like there's a nice spot for a laptop hard drive that is probably populated in the Pro model.
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Does that that mean there is an internal SATA connector or not?
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Does that that mean there is an internal SATA connector or not?
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Yeah no SATA connector but there is an option in the settings to install all apps to an external hdd or micro sd card anyways
PS. Anyone know if this will be getting a dedicated XDA Forum? I'll probably be picking one up soon
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Does that that mean there is an internal SATA connector or not?
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Hard to tell for sure, looks like there might be solder points for it, but no header. I've got the 500GB on order, will post the diffs when it arrives.
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It would be fair to say that Cube was one of the pioneers in the convertible Windows tablet lineup in China. At the very beginning of last year, they created the iWork Line with the introduction of the Cube iWork 10, which comes with an Intel Atom Bay-trail Z3740D processor, a 10.1-inch IPS display at the resolution of 1280*800, and a foldable keyboard cover. And then since the beginning of 2015, they went a little bit further by introducing the Cube i7 series, an enhanced lineup of ultrabook & tablet hybrids powered by the much beefier Core-M 5Y10c processor. Although the Cube i7, the Cube i7-CM and the Cube i7 Stylus received positive feedback from their users, their price tags can be a little uninviting for customers with a tighter budget. And the relatively shorter battery life of those Core-M powered systems (compared to tablets running on Atom SoC) is also proven to be unacceptable for some.
Here comes the all new Intel Cherry-trail SoC lineup, Intel's very first Atom chips built on the 14nm process. With a stronger CPU setup and an upgraded Intel Graphics HD Gen8 GPU, they are promised to boost the performance by up to 50% compared to the Bay-trail series SoCs with even less power consumption.
We reviewed the Cube i7 Stylus (Core-M 5Y10c, HD Graphics 5300) a few weeks ago -- now all we have left is its 10.6-inch sister model, the Cube iWork 11 Stylus. Both devices are complete Windows tablets, and each can be paired up with an optional keyboard dock and an optional Wacom pen. Externally, the two devices look the same. But when it comes to their technological inner workings, there are a few big differences: the i7 Stylus runs on a Core-M processor, whereas the iWork 11 Stylus is equipped with an Atom processor. The i7 Stylus has a Solid State Drive, whereas the iWork 11 Stylus comes with eMMC storage. Also, the iWork 11 Stylus runs the 32-bit version of Windows 10 instead of the 64bit we’ve seen on the i7 Stylus.
Cube iWork 11 Stylus Specs
OS: Windows 10 (32-bit)
Screen: 10.6-inch IPS, 10-point multi-touch, IGZO
Display Resolution: 1920 x 1080 (16:9)
CPU: Intel Atom Cherry-trail X5-Z8300
CPU Frequency: 1.44GHz (Base clock) – 1.8GHZ (Turbo clock)
GPU: Intel Graphics HD Gen8
RAM / Storage: 4GB DDR3L / 64GB eMMc Storage
Function: WiFi, Bluetooth 4.0, USB Host, HDMI
WiFi: 802.11 b/g/n, WiFi direct
Camera: 5MP back camera, 2MP front camera
Battery: 3.7V - 8,600mAh
Ports: Micro SD Card Slot, Micro USB 3.0 Port, 3.5mm Headphone Jack, DC Charging Port, Mini HDMI Port
Size: 273.77*172.03*10.5mm, Weight: 673g
Color: Black front and blue rear
Design and build
If you’ve seen the Cube i7 Stylus in the flesh, the iWork 11 Stylus looks exactly the same. It has a sturdy but sleek metal body, gently curved corners and wide black bezel, and a subtle Windows logo on the front. It consistently feels great in hand, and shrugs off smudges well. With the proper screen protection, it could easily survive the day-to-day rigors of a traveling professional, and even the occasional drop.
Like always, the front is dominated by a 10.6-inch IPS display, and you can find a front-facing camera above and a Windows Home key under that display.
There are two physical buttons on board, a power/standby key and a volume rocker, both sitting on the top side of the tablet.
All the ports and slots are hosted on the left side. You can find a 3.5mm headphone jack, a Micro USB 3.0 port, a mini HDMI port, a Micro SD card slot and a DC charging port on board.
There is a 5-contact magnetic port on the bottom side, and it is designed to connect with the keyboard base.
The rear side of the tablet is coated in blue, which makes the tablet look more interesting than just another piece of cold, black technology. Unfortunately, the blue coating proves to be easy to scratch. As a matter of fact, the Cube i7 series tablets also have the same issue, maybe it’s time Cube should find another approach to coat the metallic back of their tablets.
Build quality of the tablet is nice and solid, but still not altogether as epic as the Surface 3, which includes a flexible kickstand and a full USB 3.0 port.
The iWork 11 Stylus weighs 673 grams and measures 10.5mm thick, a little heavier and thicker than the Microsoft Surface 3. But it still ranks as one of the more compact convertible Windows tablets in the market. And you could hold it in your hands for a relatively long time before actually feeling the burden.
Display and sound
The Cube iWork 11 Stylus has a 10.6-inch IPS display, with a 1920 x 1080 resolution and 16:9 aspect ratio. In terms of pixel density, the iWork 11 Stylus has about 208 pixels per inch. It definitely pales in comparison with those high-end Android tablets and flagship smartphones, but is still one of the front-runners in the laptop or convertible Windows tablet category.
As can be expected from a Full HD IPS panel, the iWork 11 Stylus’ screen looks stunning. Viewing angles are wide, colors accurate, and it shrugs off glare quite well, definitely much better than the TN panels on average laptops.
If there is a complaint, it’s that things can feel a bit tinnier on the desktop side compared to bigger convertibles such as the Microsoft Surface Pro 3 and Lenovo Yoga 3 Pro, owing to the slightly smaller screen. Though it supports touch, users will likely turn to a mouse, touchpad, or pen for navigation here, as the desktop requires a good amount of precision.
The speakers are very well placed on the right side of the tablet. The sound is flat, but it’s balanced well enough with little to no distortion, and the volume is acceptable for watching videos in a quiet room. If you plug in a pair of high-end headphones or nice speakers, you will notice that the iWork 11 Stylus actually beats most of the Android tablets and smartphones in terms of sound quality.
Pen and touchscreen
The stylus is a big point of differentiation from ordinary Windows 8 tablets. The good news is that the pen paired with the Cube iWork Stylus is based on Wacom technology, which means it is snappy and super responsive, and a genuine pleasure to use on the tablet’s high-resolution screen, the bad news is that you won’t find it in the retail package of the iWork 11 Stylus because the pen is sold separately for $32.
Unlike the tiny pen hidden in the back of the Samsung Ativ Smart PC Pro, the pen that’s paired with the i7 Stylus is the size of a normal ink pen, with an eraser button on one end and a large button placed comfortably on the side. Click it and you have a right-mouse button with a beautifully positive action.
Writing with the pen in applications such as OneNote, Microsoft Office programs or in the handwriting recognition panel of the on-screen keyboard is smooth and accurate.
Certain applications can even make use of the pen’s 1,024 levels of pressure sensitivity. For example, it makes the pen very much of a joy for working in Photoshop or in natural media painting tools such as ArtRage or Fresh Paint.
The pen is also very accurate for selecting small icons in a complex interface such as Photoshop, or opening a link on an heavily loaded web page (much easier than the small touchpad on the Keyboard base, or your finger on the screen).
The combination of pen and touchscreen makes i7 Stylus extraordinarily versatile for drawing, sketching, painting, image editing and note taking.
The keyboard base designed for the i7 Stylus and iWork 11 Stylus features a slot for the Wacom pen, so when you are not using it, you can just push it into the keyboard. But in an ideal world, we’d prefer to have a permanent place to keep the pen on the tablet itself, instead of on the keyboard base. As we do often use the i7 Stylus as a standalone tablet, and only need to connect it to the keyboard base when we need to do a lot of typing.
Keyboard base
The keyboard base can easily be attached to the iWork 11 Stylus via the 5-contact magnetic connectors, instantly turning the tablet into a full notebook computer. Sadly, the keyboard base can only make the iWork 11 Stylus stand with a fixed angle, which can be uncomfortable to use sometimes.
Here, the keys aren’t as squished as the ones on the Microsoft Surface Type Cover. The keyboard for the iWork 11 Stylus is more expansive, with no shrunken or undersized keys. It didn’t take me long before I was typing at my usual brisk pace.
The keys offer decent travel, with every keystroke, I make a loud “clack,” letting anyone around me know I’m getting stuff done. It isn’t my favorite keyboard, but I do feel comfortable enough. Also, the Cube keyboard base is not as flimsy as the Surface Type Cover, Instead it is as sturdy and comfortable as most laptop keyboards.
The Cube keyboard base brings a touchpad as well, and that’s a good thing, because the latest Windows 10 update made the OS much more mouse-and-keyboard friendly. Even though the touchpad is pretty precise and responsive, it’s still many steps behind the sort of glass touchpad you’d find on the MacBook Air. It sometimes takes multiple tries to get two-finger scrolling to work. Ditto for clicking and dragging windows and other objects around the screen. Other times, I accidentally navigated backward out of a web page when I was really trying to do some other sort of gesture. If you intend the iWork 11 Stylus to be your daily driver, you are better off with a mouse.
The Keyboard base also features 2 Full USB 2.0 ports, making it easier for the tablet to connect to a mouse or external storage devices.
Software and interface
The iWork 11 Stylus runs licensed Windows 10 Home Edition (32-bit) out of the box. Like the convertible tablet, the Windows 10 itself is also something of a hybrid, with both desktop and the Windows Store apps, touch and keyboard, the control panel and the finger-friendly PC Settings app.
On the iWork 11 Stylus, as long as you’re comfortable with gestures such as swiping to open the charms bar, switching apps and closing an app you don’t want, the two fit together almost seamlessly.
Below are major improvements we found in Windows 10:
1. Customized placement of the start menu.
Microsoft brought back the dearly missed Start Menu, and it is stronger and more inclusive than ever.
2. Enhanced screen split function.
Not only can users have more Windows store apps running in split screen mode, they can even run those titles like traditional PC programs on desktop.
3. Virtual desktop.
The highly appreciated virtual desktop has also been brought to Windows 10.
4. Cortana
Cortana brings plenty of notable features to Windows 10. While setting it up, you can choose to have Cortana always listening to your commands (enabled by saying “Hey Cortana!”). You can ask her about basic things like the current weather or what’s on your schedule, or you could have her search the web using Bing. Cortana can answer some queries without even launching a web browser. If you’re not a fan of voice commands, you can also type in queries into the Cortana search box on the taskbar, and you can choose to have her only activate voice commands when you hit a button.
5. Edge
Edge may be the most elegant piece of software to come from Microsoft. Its interface is simple: tabs on the top; back, forward and refresh buttons below; and an address bar. The latter is smarter than other browsers as it also features Cortana (without the voice commands). You can type in questions and often get them answered right within Edge’s location bar — no need to hit Enter to complete your search. That’s something Google has been dabbling with in Chrome, but Edge takes it to another level.
You can manage your Favorites, Reading List entries (articles you save to read later), History and Downloads from Edge’s Hub, which mostly stays out of the way until you need it. Microsoft also gave Edge annotating capabilities: You can highlight and mark up web pages any way you like (the Surface’s stylus comes in handy for this) and send them off to Evernote with just a few clicks. Those marked-up pages also retain your notes when you visit them again.
Unfortunately, the iWork 11 Stylus comes with only Office Mobile, which can be used to do some basic editing to the Word documents, PowerPoint presentations and Excel sheets.
If you need the more productive desktop version of Microsoft Office, the most important productive tools for any device that runs Windows OS, you will need to pony up.
Performance
The fundamental difference between the iWork 11 Stylus and the i7 Stylus is the internal setup. The iWork 11 Stylus runs on an Intel Atom X5-Z8300 processor and 4GB RAM. This Cherry-trail generation CPU is outfitted with four cores and has a clock frequency from 1.44 GHz – 1.8GHz. With a more entry-level Atom processor and a slower eMMc drive, it is easy for us to expect a significant drop in performance with the iWork 11 Stylus compared to its pricier sister tablet. But fortunately, that’s not often the case.
As you could expect, when compared to the i7 Stylus, it takes a few seconds longer for the iWork 11 Stylus to boot into Windows 10 and approximately half a second more to resume from hibernation.
In the ATTO Disk Benchmark, the iWork 11 Stylus got relatively good score for a device with eMMc drive, although still no match for those high-end systems with SSD storage
You could also notice the slowdown in starting heavy desktop applications and rendering multiple image-heavy web pages. But for the basic office tasks, it is difficult to tell the difference in speed.
Compared to those earlier Bay-trail powered Windows tablets, the iWork 11 Stylus is indeed a lot faster. Thanks both to the upgraded SoC and more RAM. The system always runs sturdily and fluidly, and there is obviously less struggle in handling several desktop programs at the same time. I can edit some of my excel sheets with some video playback on top, and several social networking applications in the background, and still the system remains pretty responsive.
Benchmarks also tell the story, as you can see that the iWork 11 Stylus handily beats the Bay-trail powered ASUS T100A tablet in all benchmark tests, especially in the more graphics-focused tests.
Temperature
The iWork 11 Stylus did not warm up excessively in our tests. During our stress test, the internal temperature barely crossed the 60 °C line (from readings of the Ludashi benchmark), and I never feel too much heat on its case. For a fanless system, it is pretty amazing.
Connectivity
Besides the tailor-made keyboard base and the Wacom pen, the Cube iWork 11 Stylus offers a lot of other connectivity options. The Wi-Fi 802.11n/b/g takes good care of internet surfing, while the Bluetooth 4.0 makes it possible for the iWork 11 Stylus to connect with external input devices and audio systems without occupying the ports. The Micro USB 3.0, when connected to a mobile drive with a standard OTG cable, can still manage high-speed data transfer.
You can add a Micro SD card (up to 128GB) on top of the 64GB internal storage.
The Mini HDMI port makes it possible to connect to larger displays such as monitors, HDTVs and projectors. Every time I came back from a business trip, I would like to connect my laptop to the 24-inch desktop monitor in my bedroom, and that’s when the HDMI port could come in handy.
Battery life
The iWork 11 Stylus packs an 8,600mAh Li-Po battery under its hood, which is the same amount of battery capacity used in the i7 Stylus. With a less power-hungry SoC, we were definitely expecting an outstanding battery life from this tablet.
Fortunately, in idle mode, the energy consumption rate is very low -- as per usual with devices outfitted with Atom CPUs. Under load as well, the convertible's energy use is also reasonable. In our standard cngadget battery rundown test, where we set the display brightness at a fixed 50%, and loops a 1080P video with Wi-Fi on, the iWork 11 Stylus lasted 7 hours and 17 minutes, which is 2 hours longer than the result the Cube i7 Stylus scored in the same test.
In the real world use, the iWork 11 Stylus’ battery performance is equally impressive. Working on office documents, and streaming YouTube videos for 3 to 4 hours on a daily basis, I will only have to charge the tablet every 2 days. During my business trip, where I had to use the iWork 11 Stylus checking emails, signing papers with the Wacom pen, and working on some business documents and presentations. I can leave the tablet unplugged for an entire day.
Cameras
Like other Windows tablets we’ve tested before, the iWork 11 Stylus doesn’t have impressive cameras. The nice thing is, the front-facing camera, actually the only useful camera, is decent enough for video-chatting when there is nice lighting. The rear camera is merely just there for the sake of being there, I don’t think you would want to use it for Instagram and Facebook updates, while even the cheapest smartphone could do the job a million times better.
Verdict
Fundamentally, the Cube iWork 11 Stylus makes a reasonably good impression. At a price of about $219, the buyer gets a complete Windows tablet. And for $63 more, they can get a connectable keyboard and a Wacom Pen to enhance the productivity. The keyboard is absolutely sufficient for practical, everyday use. We have typed on lots of considerably worse tablet keyboards, including the newest Surface Type Cover. Alongside two USB 2.0 ports, the keyboard dock also has a touchpad. The tablet is outfitted with a stunning Full HD IPS panel and a pressure-sensitive touchscreen which is compatible with the Wacom pen. Although only powered by an Atom processor, the tablet's performance is absolutely sufficient for all the everyday tasks it was created for, and the 4GB working memory even enables it to take care of some serious multitasking. The 9,000mAh non-removable battery under the hood can keep the system working for an entire day, unplugged.
There are some minor cons - the 64GB eMMc drive is much slower than the SSD used in the i7 series tablets, and the blue coating of the tablet’s rear side is very easy to scratch. But none of them really matters when you take the price into consideration. The iWork 11 Stylus won’t fully replace your desktop PC or high-end laptop for demanding 3D gaming and heavy productivity work, but it serves very well as a travelling companion which helps you take care of your daily office tasks, web-browsing and social networking.
Thank you for the review. Seems pretty fine
Have you seen same micro limitations as it seems Teclast has do it with the X98 Plus?
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Hi, Nice paid review. You forgot to mention the 4GB ram is not fully useable, 2.9GB only since Cube used a 32bit uefi and os instead of 64bit (Big mistake) And the temps? barely over 60 degrees on your unit? Did you work the tablet hard gaming and benchmarking for a few hours? 81 degrees on my unit I brought.
It's in my video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYS_pm49wVM
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Hi, Nice paid review. You forgot to mention the 4GB ram is not fully useable, 2.9GB only since Cube used a 32bit uefi and os instead of 64bit (Big mistake) And the temps? barely over 60 degrees on your unit? Did you work the tablet hard gaming and benchmarking for a few hours? 81 degrees on my unit I brought.
It's in my video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYS_pm49wVM
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There is software which can help you take full advantage of the 4GB RAM, please use Google in case you didn't know. And the temperature reading i got is by using a stress test in a Chinese app called 鲁大师, of course you didn't know 'coz you don't understand any other languages, that is too unfortunate, isn't it?
Since you guys don't have a full-time job and putting up ads and posting reviews of tablets gifted by the manufacturers on the techtablets site is the only way of making money, should I reasonably assume that all reviews on your site are paid? Correct me if I am wrong, please!
It doesn't have the Micro SD card limitations which you have with the Teclast tablets.
Hello guys,
I've been trying to download the stock firmware from this tablet but I can't find it anywhere. I have a Cube i7 with Remix OS, and it has a very similar hardware to the iWork 11, I'd like to try flash the Windows on my tablet, but I'm not able to find the image.
Any idea?
Thanks
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There is software which can help you take full advantage of the 4GB RAM, please use Google in case you didn't know.
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Did you mean this tool? ( http://www.mediafire.com/download/3xko6f25gsbwa5u/Pae-mod.rar )
btw, is there any way to install win 10 x64 on this tablet?
topfreitas said:
Hello guys,
I've been trying to download the stock firmware from this tablet but I can't find it anywhere.
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Try here:
http://www.cube-tablet.com/download/
Leez_Gooz said:
Did you mean this tool? ( http://www.mediafire.com/download/3xko6f25gsbwa5u/Pae-mod.rar )
btw, is there any way to install win 10 x64 on this tablet?
Try here:
http://www.cube-tablet.com/download/
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i think it is, but not sure if you can activate the system or find the right drivers.
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topfreitas said:
Hello guys,
I've been trying to download the stock firmware from this tablet but I can't find it anywhere. I have a Cube i7 with Remix OS, and it has a very similar hardware to the iWork 11, I'd like to try flash the Windows on my tablet, but I'm not able to find the image.
Any idea?
Thanks
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Official Windows firmware for i7 Remix isn't available, and I doubt that Cube would ever really release it.
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Install Linux
Does anyone tried to install ubuntu or other linux distros?
I was able to get into the bios, but I didn't manage to boot from USB. Any ideas?
Does anyone work with photoshop with this tablet? If you make a video working with it, you should have a lot of more visit in youtube, there's no anyone that made it with these type of tablets. XD
And for last, I don't find any tutorial to install a diferent UEFI that make it work with windows x64... it's a little freak in 2016 no?
iwork11 usb controllers problem
hello guys,
From device manager,my iwork11 have three item in usb controllers:
1. intel(R) USB 3.0 extensible Host Controller 1.0(microsoft)
2. unknown usb device(device descriptor request failed).......... that my problem.
3. USB Root Hub (xHCI)
I've been trying to update the driver from online but there is no replacement. Someone have this tablet may should look for me what the the harware for no 2.
thank you for help
or
Any idea?
Thank you for the review Jupiter2012!
I have a question though, do you think it's possible to use this tablet as a media player connected to the tv and minimum 6x2Tb external hard drive connected to it? Can it handle it?
Thank you for the answers in advance!
Nice day
Hello:
I'm interested in this tablet:
- 100$ cheaper than the i7 stylus one
- Does not have the temperature issues
- Better battery thanks to the Atom processor
Has anyone tried to open the tablet? I can't seem to find the photos of this model.
I have the idea of soldering a little SSD USB 3.0 drive inside, or trying to replace the eMMC. Even a very cheap USB 3.0 pen seems to be a lot faster than the eMMC. I think that if we can get this working, this tablet will be amazing.
The other remaining thing would be to get working a 64 bit UEFI.
Sorry for the engrish
Do NOT run the PAE (Physical Address Extension) patch on this tablet in order to utilize more than 3GB of RAM. It wrecked my Windows install and now I can't boot. Trying to recover it now, but it's proving to be a pain. I also am not able to boot a 64-bit Windows 10 install. It would be really nice if Cube made the Windows 10 image for this tablet available to download from a reliable source. I tried getting it from Baidu and it took all day only to be a corrupt file. Half the time when you go to the Baidu page it's hosted at, it says the file is not found. If anyone has a link to it, I would greatly appreciate it.
It seems sleep mode doesn't working properly. Battery draining in this mode is awful. It has been discharged in 2 days from full charge to empty. Any ideas?
dmitry1972 said:
It seems sleep mode doesn't working properly. Battery draining in this mode is awful. It has been discharged in 2 days from full charge to empty. Any ideas?
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Try setting up Hibernate (Suspend to Disk)
Solved Standby for me
regards
Mr.Lee
Mr99Lee said:
Try setting up Hibernate (Suspend to Disk)
Solved Standby for me
regards
Mr.Lee
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Thank you, but this is a half of problem solution. Battery draining has been stopped, but the waking up process is so slow.
Depends on what you expect..it´s a desktop / notebook OS
Mine comes from hibernate within 5-10 secs.
Hi all,
I encountered my first Problem...did anyone had luck using a Bluetooth Mouse?
I´m able to pair but after Driver Installation there is no mouse cursor and no mouse functionality.
Under Devices it shows up as HID but not as mouse...
during installation of the driver the mouse works fine.
seems an interference with the WACOM-Device...
Any ideas?
regards
Mr.Lee
I want to move from my old Windows 7-64 Pro ( still going strong ) to a Linux build using a Small Form Factor case and motherboard. I built my own PC's for a number of years but the Win 7 was the last build with 7 first came out. I am woefully out of step with the modern hardware so I would appreciate some guidance in selecting components.
I retire next year and want to retire my Win 7 with me. Start my retirement with Linux.
Thanks to all!
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I want to move from my old Windows 7-64 Pro ( still going strong ) to a Linux build using a Small Form Factor case and motherboard. I built my own PC's for a number of years but the Win 7 was the last build with 7 first came out. I am woefully out of step with the modern hardware so I would appreciate some guidance in selecting components.
I retire next year and want to retire my Win 7 with me. Start my retirement with Linux.
Thanks to all!
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For really small Form factor Linux PC's you can use a raspberry Pi.
Otherwise ITX form factors are really small for PC components. But this depends on your requirements(number of space you need).
Otherwise you can run Linux on everything nowadays
Thank you....I think the Pi will be too small for me, I am more comfortable with the ITX size. My company uses some Dell Optiplex 7060 ( I think 7060 ) and I like the size on my work desk. Would want to keep that size at the house with multiple USB connectors.
I did not know Linux would run on any motherboard, I had been told that some boards were not possible, which frankly boggled my mind. I played with Minix years ago when it came out ( prior to Linux ) and then later Linux. I moved away from Linux at that time as it was not ready for prime time and we where too entrenched in MS.
Pabbi77 said:
I want to move from my old Windows 7-64 Pro ( still going strong ) to a Linux build using a Small Form Factor case and motherboard. I built my own PC's for a number of years but the Win 7 was the last build with 7 first came out. I am woefully out of step with the modern hardware so I would appreciate some guidance in selecting components.
I retire next year and want to retire my Win 7 with me. Start my retirement with Linux.
Thanks to all!
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What are you planning on using the build for ? I ask this because I tried to build a mini workstation and ran into serious issues. You can run Linux on just about anything, but what you want to be able to do with that Linux installation will determine hardware requirements. From a performance standpoint the smaller you go the less power you have available. Cooling can be tricky also with sff builds. If the Optiplex is sff like one I have it's roughly 12x12x4. You can pack decent performance into one that size but it takes careful planning. HTPC is the form factor to get close to that size and mITX desktops are about twice as thick. For ease of building in, there are also micro-ATX mini towers that aren't huge and mATX can be a lot cheaper. Here's a couple places to look at sff:
SFF.Network
r/sffpc
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What are you planning on using the build for ? I ask this because I tried to build a mini workstation and ran into serious issues. You can run Linux on just about anything, but what you want to be able to do with that Linux installation will determine hardware requirements. From a performance standpoint the smaller you go the less power you have available. Cooling can be tricky also with sff builds. If the Optiplex is sff like one I have it's roughly 12x12x4. You can pack decent performance into one that size but it takes careful planning. HTPC is the form factor to get close to that size and mITX desktops are about twice as thick. For ease of building in, there are also micro-ATX mini towers that aren't huge and mATX can be a lot cheaper. Here's a couple places to look at sff:
SFF.Network
r/sffpc
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Appreciate the reply. Use will be home use only, printer, internet, GIMP, etc., nothing treasonous at all. I may at a later date move it to a 3D printer but that is further down the road.
The cooling and such is a concern for me to be honest. The Optiplex ~12x12x4 units we have at work run 24-7 and have been perfect ( other than Windows 10 ) and are the reason I have entertained going to a smaller form factor. I appreciate the links and will take a look at those.
thanks!
Coolermaster Q500L , spec are mostly in photos, b460m pro vdh wifi mobo
Hi
Since you mentioned that you know your way around i'll go directly into tech detail.
I recon using mini-DTX instead mini-ITX (reason? well with it's being a little bit bigger yet almost very small you get NVMe m2 slot plus more expansion)
Well for mainboard i recommend "ROG Crosshair VIII Impact" it's AM4 which means Ryzen 2 and 3 sreies.(might be able use 5 series)
Also 2 DIMM means 64 GB of RAM and M.2 ports. And i guess 15 total USB's thart are accusable with this board are enough for your need. Also some nice to have like wifi 6 and Bluetooth 5.0 are available.
Sadly unlike intel CPU there is no on board GPU aka iGPU with AMD CPU (unless you go for G series which have APUs) might present some headache in linux you know GPU drivers are a little bit troublesome in linux world. (personally using NVIDIA Titan X on desktop and 1660Ti Max-P on laptop without problem).
For other part you really don't need to think twice almost all resent HW (from 2012 and newer) should work easily with Linux.
Here is brief info of mentioned mainboard.
ROG Crosshair VIII Impact | ROG Crosshair | Gaming Motherboards｜ROG - Republic of Gamers｜ROG Suomi
The first Impact in the longstanding Crosshair lineup and designed for 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen CPUs. Comes with dual M.2, next-gen networking with Wi-Fi 6, onboard SupremeFX audio, plus an active finned heatsink, all packed in for your next SFF gaming rig!
rog.asus.com
hope I've been a little bit help!