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Is the cam so bad?

Im dont know, every where I read, thay say that the cam is s..., and it takes 5 secs. from when I press till it takes the picture.
Is that right?

Stick with the Diamond, much better IMO. Only advantages of a HD is the bigger screen and more RAM, but I think the Diamond is much more useable.
To answer your question, that appears to be the case for me, yes.

"Only" the screen is a pretty major advantage, it's almost double the size. The Diamond isn't seriously usable for web browsing - the HD is. Ditto for video.

ChrisB said:
Im dont know, every where I read, thay say that the cam is s..., and it takes 5 secs. from when I press till it takes the picture.
Is that right?
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That's rubbish and completely untrue. I find the camera to be quite excellent and picture quality very good in fact.
I don't blame you though for getting that impression. Before I got my own unit, I also had that false impression from reading all the complaints on this forum. But after getting my own HD, I'm really happy with it. This is despite not having flash.

eaglesteve said:
That's rubbish and completely untrue. I find the camera to be quite excellent and picture quality very good in fact.
I don't blame you though for getting that impression. Before I got my own unit, I also had that false impression from reading all the complaints on this forum. But after getting my own HD, I'm really happy with it. This is despite not having flash.
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Exactly the HTC Touch HD is a great phone. Some people reading forum like this think they get a good sampling of what people using the phone think about it. That is not true since it is mostly the maybe 1% that have troubles of some kind with their phone that write here. The rest of the people that are happy with their phone do not write about.
The only thing I can recommend for people considering buying the phone is to get the phone and try it out. You will most likely like it a lot.

Camera is not bad, but also not good. Don't buy it as a camphone.

I've got a nokia n82 and a touch hd.
If the cam is ****? Yeah, it is. Don't let people let you think different. I guess it's not worse than other htc-phones though, I haven't had one since the original touch (elf).
If it was daylight out here now (denmark, actually) I should have taken comparision shots for you, but it's not, and with the xenon flash on the n82 it is even more superior in this light.
That said, the touch hd is a fantastic device in every other aspect! I didn't buy it for the cam, and don't care about it's picture quality, since I've got my n82.

The camera is only suitable for taking pictures in well-lit area.
Forget about dark areas.
All in all I'm sufficiently pleased with it, as I did not expect anything great.

Hello
Yes the Cam is ****
very slow slow slow and it only does pictures in very light areas.
In the drak they are very dark - the missing flash is a desaster.
Do not buy the hd for taking pictures or videos
But also safe you monry on fu.. nokia modells

IMHO...
The quality of the photos that the Touch HD can take is far better than the three HTC devices I've used before. It's actually pretty good in my limited experience with it. However, the camera remains virtually unusable because of two things:
1 - the delay between tapping the screen and the photo taking the image while the camera fusses over the focussing and then thinks for a couple of seconds
2 - the lack of hardware button makes camera shake very hard to avoid
These two factors make it almost impossible to take a photo of a moving scene because of the unpredictability of the timing of the shot and the likelihood of camera shake.
Attached is a photo I've just taken in the low evening light that illustrates what should be a perfectly easy photo. I couldn't avoid camera shake even standing still and being ultra-careful. The exposure isn't bad though.

the cam is bad... only usable by normal daylight also video recording is very bad

well in normal daylight the cam is better than my n73. video is realy better...

Are there some tweaks or settings to speed up taking images? It's really slooooow...

TIP: Disable the "Auto Whiteness" in the camera.
I have spent the last 2 weeks playing with the camera and was very disappointed with low level lighting pictures at first, BUT! now I have ressolved this problem.
There is an option in the camera "Auto Whiteness", the sensor or software in the camera seems to be useless at judging lighting, so if you set this to manual and select the indoor lighting icon (looks like a light bulb) then the camera gives quite impressive low level lighting pictures.
Speed of the camera between pressing and taking a picture is about 3 seconds, not the worst shutter delay I have seen on a camera phone, but not the best. Hopefully HTC can address this with future software updates??

For me the main issue is the blurryness of virtually all pictures,
if its a picture of a person I have to ask them to be still, then I take a pic and then I have to ask them once more to be DEAD STILL.
Most people take stay still to mean don't walk off any where but with the Touch HD stay still means don't let one muscle move.
If you want a phone that takes decent picture then its not or you.
Its a multimedia phone (pics not included)

I have been playing with the HD for two days now, which meant finding all of the tweaks and then removing them until it works for me. The excellent tweak app (search for it here) recommends enabling the sport and burst modes of photo (works great) and then changing the maximum res to 3M (makes my phone crash!)
Anyway if you want to take really good SHAKE FREE pics the ONLY way is through the burst/sport options. The auto focus for the 'normal' cam is so crap that the shutter stays open forever. In sport or burst mode the camera has to ditch the refocus and just shoot - out of the 5 in sport or 30 in burst you will have two or 10 decent pictures. This was exactly the same on my old HTC P3900.
The video is still completely crap - although much improved if you shoot as for MMS.

If we're talking about very low light, even my Canon camera does not give good result. So I don't expect miracle from HD. Having said that, I have taken quite a lot of indoor shots with lights on and the result is not noticeably worst than what my Canon camera can deliver.
As for motion, I actually don't find any problem there. I have taken quite many shots with car moving towards and away from me and the sharpness is still there. No blurring at all.
I find vido recording to be really good.
The lack of hardware button is a non-issue for me. I find it very easy to just touch the screen, the try to hold it still for the process to be completed.
This is the best camera I've ever had in a phone, and I find myself using it quite a lot since getting my HD.

This is seriously the worst camera I've ever had in a phone. And the sad part is the auto focus which is way too slow and cannot be disabled. No other tweak will help really unless somebody will figure out how to set focus to infinity permanently.

Attached are photos taken with the HTC Touch HD at night in New York City last week:

YESSSSSS IT SUCKSSSSSSS!
Auto light balance is useless, shutter speed is miserably slow (not even for a still photo) , no flash , video is worthless. 5 MP not in full screen (in full screen it is 4MP) .
If you have kids and want to take a photo for them then please wait till thy sleep and start shooting , other wise you will be wasting only your time and battery .
It is even too bad in watching movies without setting hours and hours converting them!
I hope it is not a hardware issue and only software that can be updated later .
No cam-mobile , yes surf-mobile and nav-mobile.

Camera slow shutter speed

I know the camera issue has been beat to death already but I've been testing it for many days and would like to relay my results. A lot of people are saying that the auto focus is bad causing blurry pictures. This is false, the focus works great but the camera always chooses a shutter speed that's to low for the lighting causing blur on subjects in motion. The only way I can get the shutter speed over 1/20 is by taking a picture in bright light. Even in above average lighting conditions the shutter will go to 1/20 or below. There is no option for metering so I wonder if LG coded something wrong in the camera drivers. I have tried every camera program out there and they all take the exact same picture using the same to low shutter speed which tells me it's not the stock camera app. I don't have the skill to dive into the programming but that is where the problem seems to be. It's the same brand (Sony) camera sensor as the SGS4 so I know that it's not the sensors fault.
Any thoughts?
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Anybody else have any ideas?

I'm also seeing these ridiculous shutter speeds (1/14, 1/20) when shooting in low light indoors, even if picking Sport mode, and was looking for a discussion on the topic here. Happy to find it
I had almost given up getting the camera to do what I wanted, when I discovered that the Intelligent Auto feature actually sometimes is ... intelligent. I took 4 photos of my toddler - obviously, not a subject willing to sit still. All photos on intelligent auto.
For two of the photos, the software shot with ISO 700 and 1/15th shutter, pretty much what Normal does every time. But - the other two were taken with ISO 1400-1/30 and ISO 1500-1/30. Naturally, the latter two were a lot sharper.
This is incredibly annoying since the Normal mode only lets you manually pick max ISO 800 and gives no shutter speed control. Until I found out about this intelligent auto thing, I forced -1, -1 1/3 stops underexposure to make the camera use a faster shutter (it typically used 1/59 for some reason). Now I guess I will take 5-6 pics every time and hope the camera is indeed intelligent part of the time.
- Is there no custom camera app capable of setting shutter speed manually, and use the ISO settings available to Intelligent Auto?
- Noone's had any word from LG on this?
I will be contacting LG support about this as well, but wanted to get the XDA word on the matter first...
Cheers, Are

Just replying to say I'm having the same issue. The fastest shutter speed I've seen is 1/15 in a well lit, easy to focus shot. The vast majority of my shots are blurry as a result.
I'm running Cyanogenmod at the moment.

I'm having pretty bad shutter speeds as well. It take 2 seconds to take a well-lit picture.

Guys , Try out the Moto X camera app. I may be wrong but i think its a bit faster .

JasElS said:
I'm having pretty bad shutter speeds as well. It take 2 seconds to take a well-lit picture.
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farazafs said:
Guys , Try out the Moto X camera app. I may be wrong but i think its a bit faster .
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I'm not talking about how long it takes to take the picture, that's delay. I'm talking shutter speed, how long the shutter stays open allowing light to hit the sensor.

I have not had any big problems with this, most of my shots are pretty tack sharp, and seem to have some decent shutterspeeds.. Only in very poor light I do get 1/15 shutterspeeds but at pretty average lights I get 1/30-1/120 sometimes faster, but mostly 1/40..
My shutterdelay is almist nothing too..

I found a modified version of the stock LG G2 camera by sefnap that works with CM 10.2 M1 and produces much better results: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2522889
Some of the features don't work but overall it's vastly better than the camera included with CM.
There is also another modified version of the stock camera put up by Heatshiver that probably works even better but it doesn't currently work with CM (only works with stock and some AOSP ROMs): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2525783

I just discovered something the other day when playing with my camera... Albeit in bright light. Check out these pics taken at 60mph from my car while I was driving (ie not the most steady hand).
What I did was set it on sports mode and then old down the camera button until I heard the beep, and then released to capture the image I wanted (ie the road signs). The one out of my car window was actually more focused than I could focus with my naked eye...

Lucky Shot - who knows what it is?? NOT SmartBurst

Does anyone know what the Lucky Shot feature is?!?!? I'm the only one in the world trying to figure it out apparently. I'm wondering if it is on both 6P and 5X. I know that 5x has 120fps slow motion, and no burst mode. but this Lucky Shot thing has me confused, apparently it is NOT the same thing as SmartBurst.
from Nexus enginners Q&A on reddit:
"We've done a bunch of things to provide image stabilization: 1. The Nexus 6P/5X has a large 1.55um pixel camera and the amount of motion blur due to hand-shake is lower when you have large pixels. 2. We have a feature we call "lucky shot" internally. When you take a picture, behind the scenes, we select the best of 3 bursts of images. 3. When you use video, we have optic-flow-based image stabilization. 4. When you use SmartBurst, we select the best image from the burst (for example a shot with eyes open)."
I'm going to post this in 5X forum as well.

"We have a feature we call "lucky shot" internally."
So, forgot that they even said "lucky shot," it is meaningless to you and me
"When you take a picture, behind the scenes, we select the best of 3 bursts of images."
When you take a picture, it actually takes 3 bursts of pictures and selects the best one. Eyes open, least amount of blur, etc... iPhone is doing the same thing now, they even use those extra pictures to make live photos. http://www.apple.com/iphone-6s/cameras/
It's the same idea, I don't think android does the live photo stuff, but it does the same thing to capture the pictures, many shots behind the scenes which is why OIS isn't as important, at least for still shots.

Well that feature sounds very cool!

cool, thanks for the explanation. Do you think it will work on the 5X ? or is this a 6P thing?

Blurry Pictures

Just bought the V20 and I've got to say how disappointed I am with the front camera, particularly auto mode. It's almost impossible to take a picture that isn't blurry. The only way to get a decent picture out of this phone is to switch to manual mode and increase shutter speed. Once you toggle between shutter speed and iso, you can capture really decent pictures. Where this causes problems is when you need to snap a picture really quickly and don't have time to adjust settings.
I can't believe that people are so happy with this phone. I thought the camera on the V20 was supposed to be amazing, but so far, I'm extremely disappointed.
Any tips or advice before I return this phone?

if you're talking about rear camera, it's been said auto mode isn't great on the v20. manual mode is where it shines, but like you said, you have to fidget with settings every time rather than point and shoot. I personally don't find the auto mode too bad on it... i just think it over exposes too much so the sky and stuff whites out quite easily. I'd say my pics are on par with my s7 though.
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Well it certainly isn't impossible to get a photo that's not blurry as plenty of us are doing it. Examples of what you are trying to shoot and under what conditions would help us help you. I only shoot in manual and have no problems adjusting settings and getting photos quickly.

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Just bought the V20 and I've got to say how disappointed I am with the front camera, particularly auto mode. It's almost impossible to take a picture that isn't blurry. The only way to get a decent picture out of this phone is to switch to manual mode and increase shutter speed. Once you toggle between shutter speed and iso, you can capture really decent pictures. Where this causes problems is when you need to snap a picture really quickly and don't have time to adjust settings.
I can't believe that people are so happy with this phone. I thought the camera on the V20 was supposed to be amazing, but so far, I'm extremely disappointed.
Any tips or advice before I return this phone?
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Post up a few photos so we can see and try to figure iut what's going on.

tveith said:
Just bought the V20 and I've got to say how disappointed I am with the front camera, particularly auto mode. It's almost impossible to take a picture that isn't blurry. The only way to get a decent picture out of this phone is to switch to manual mode and increase shutter speed. Once you toggle between shutter speed and iso, you can capture really decent pictures. Where this causes problems is when you need to snap a picture really quickly and don't have time to adjust settings.
I can't believe that people are so happy with this phone. I thought the camera on the V20 was supposed to be amazing, but so far, I'm extremely disappointed.
Any tips or advice before I return this phone?
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If you are shooting in auto mode and getting blurry pics, it's most likely the HDR setting that is screwing you up. It's annoying because it's buried in a menu but turning that off has dramatically improved auto mode for me. It seems the auto HDR setting has trouble determining what works best and can result in rather blurry pics when trying to snap a quick pic. At least for me.
I would suggest turning it off if you really don't want to use manual mode.
I'm hoping that if we get a 7.1 or 8.0 Android update for this phone that they at least add a shortcut to the HDR setting or improve the auto setting as it seems that it's software related since the manual mode takes phenomenal pictures on this phone

Camera issues with shutter lag, inconsistent HDR, etc

Hello everyone!
I have the Verizon S10+, March security patch. I just wanted to compare my camera experience with other people.
So I came onto the Galaxy S10+ from the Pixel 3, and some of the differences in the camera have stuck out to me. The first one is the shutter lag. Quick note - I'm not talking about shutter speed or exposure time or anything like that. I mean the difference between hitting the capture button and the phone actually taking a photo. On the Pixel, it snaps the picture the instant my finger hits the button. With my S10+, I tap the button, and it waits for half a beat before actually taking the picture. How long seems to depend on the lighting conditions. If I'm in a well lit situation, it's maybe a quarter second. But if I'm in less than ideal lighting, it's sometimes a pause of a full second between me hitting the shutter button and the camera actually taking the picture. This also causes the camera to fail to respond if I'm trying to take pictures in rapid fire. With my Pixel, I can hit the shutter button ten times in rapid fire, and it takes ten pictures every time. With my Samsung, in ideal lighting, doing the same thing will yield maybe five or six pictures, and if the lighting isn't good, it might only take two pictures. Is this just how the phone is? Or is there maybe something wrong with mine?
I've also noticed that whatever option you've selected for HDR seems to have no impact on how the phone actually takes pictures. I can turn HDR off completely, and it will still process HDR. I'll take the picture, then quickly tap on the link to the gallery and the picture will open and show the spinning circle as it processes for a couple of seconds and the HDR takes effect. Other times I'll have HDR set to always apply, but then it still doesn't use HDR and all the highlights will be blown out. With Live Focus, HDR usually doesn't engage. But 20% of the time, it does - I'll take a couple of Live Focus shots back to back, and in one of them all the highlights will be blown out but in the other, the HDR processing seems to have kicked in. Is there any rhyme or reason to the HDR? Do your choices in the settings menu actually make any difference, or is Samsung just trying to trick us into thinking we have a choice?
I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts and experiences!

The pixel cam is definitely more responsive, part of which may be due to the fixed focus lens but I don't know for sure. I can say that holding the shutter on S10 takes burst photos much faster than OnePlus 6t, for what that's worth.
As for the hdr, nothing to add.. but I agree it's confusing

Kevin-DC said:
Hello everyone!
I have the Verizon S10+, March security patch. I just wanted to compare my camera experience with other people.
So I came onto the Galaxy S10+ from the Pixel 3, and some of the differences in the camera have stuck out to me. The first one is the shutter lag. Quick note - I'm not talking about shutter speed or exposure time or anything like that. I mean the difference between hitting the capture button and the phone actually taking a photo. On the Pixel, it snaps the picture the instant my finger hits the button. With my S10+, I tap the button, and it waits for half a beat before actually taking the picture. How long seems to depend on the lighting conditions. If I'm in a well lit situation, it's maybe a quarter second. But if I'm in less than ideal lighting, it's sometimes a pause of a full second between me hitting the shutter button and the camera actually taking the picture. This also causes the camera to fail to respond if I'm trying to take pictures in rapid fire. With my Pixel, I can hit the shutter button ten times in rapid fire, and it takes ten pictures every time. With my Samsung, in ideal lighting, doing the same thing will yield maybe five or six pictures, and if the lighting isn't good, it might only take two pictures. Is this just how the phone is? Or is there maybe something wrong with mine?
I've also noticed that whatever option you've selected for HDR seems to have no impact on how the phone actually takes pictures. I can turn HDR off completely, and it will still process HDR. I'll take the picture, then quickly tap on the link to the gallery and the picture will open and show the spinning circle as it processes for a couple of seconds and the HDR takes effect. Other times I'll have HDR set to always apply, but then it still doesn't use HDR and all the highlights will be blown out. With Live Focus, HDR usually doesn't engage. But 20% of the time, it does - I'll take a couple of Live Focus shots back to back, and in one of them all the highlights will be blown out but in the other, the HDR processing seems to have kicked in. Is there any rhyme or reason to the HDR? Do your choices in the settings menu actually make any difference, or is Samsung just trying to trick us into thinking we have a choice?
I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts and experiences!
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Exact trouble here. My s7 makes photos so much faster

Hi all, I know this is an old thread but I just got the S10+ coming from a S8+ and I am having the same issue.
I am really frustrated with the lag after hitting the capture button and actually taking a photo. On the S8+ the shutter was super snappy, I could take multiple photos in succession without issues, but with the S10+ the lag is so bad I can only take a couple of photos even though I press the shutter button multiple times. I'm on the Snapdragon version with the latest Android 10 and One UI 2.1 update.
Did anyone find a solution to this?

The HDR issue drives me crazy. HDR applied to almost all the pictures EVEN IF IT IS TURNED OFF. Very frustrating. It seemed it solved finally after june update but the issue came back with the july update. I can't say for sure the last update is the main culprit but the issue came back after its install. I'd like to decide wether i want to use HDR or not but there's another thread on Samsung forum with the same topic dated back to the phone's release. There is no real chance it will be solved ever i think. :-\