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Sony Xperia Z2 pips HTC One (M8) for benchmark crown

Sony Xperia Z2 displaced the One (M8) at the Basemark OS II bench.
The two scored identical in the CPU and GPU test, but faster memory performance helped the Sony smartphone reach the top spot.
The Xperia Z2 is currently third in the gaming benchmark, but an update could push it forward – after all the M8 and Z2 use the same chipset and display resolution.
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meyourchum said:
Sony Xperia Z2 displaced the One (M8) at the Basemark OS II bench.
The two scored identical in the CPU and GPU test, but faster memory performance helped the Sony smartphone reach the top spot.
The Xperia Z2 is currently third in the gaming benchmark, but an update could push it forward – after all the M8 and Z2 use the same chipset and display resolution.
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I love the look of the back of the htc one (and m8) but its that bloody huge bottom bezel/htc logo area that for me is an eye-sore. It almost looks like it's got three bezels! I want a nice symmetrical front face to my phones, with thin side bezels. Hence my excitement at the z2, now that it's fixed the flaws of the z1. Barring any disasters rearing their heads when it gets reviewed, Sony is onto a winner here.

Well as far as benchmarks are concerned, I think the S5 might overtake them all as it's running at a slightly higher clockspeed of 2.5Ghz. Even the M8 Asian version is running at 2.5Ghz.
Having a higher battery.. it makes me wonder why Sony decided to go for 2.3Ghz instead. I feel it could be the cheaper batch of CPUs with low speed yields..

MasK said:
Well as far as benchmarks are concerned, I think the S5 might overtake them all as it's running at a slightly higher clockspeed of 2.5Ghz. Even the M8 Asian version is running at 2.5Ghz.
Having a higher battery.. it makes me wonder why Sony decided to go for 2.3Ghz instead. I feel it could be the cheaper batch of CPUs with low speed yields..
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Cheaper batch of CPUs? No, the processor in all the 3 phones is the same. (Snapdragon 801)
Being a computer engineer it is my opinion that the practical differences between the same processor clocked at 2.3 GHz and 2.5 GHz will be little to none. Sure, the benchmarks would show a slight difference but during actual use? Nopes. However, the extra 1 GB of RAM can make a fair amount of difference in practical usage especially if you run memory intensive apps and games.

g4rvd4 said:
Cheaper batch of CPUs? No, the processor in all the 3 phones is the same. (Snapdragon 801)
Being a computer engineer it is my opinion that the practical differences between the same processor clocked at 2.3 GHz and 2.5 GHz will be little to none. Sure, the benchmarks would show a slight difference but during actual use? Nopes. However, the extra 1 GB of RAM can make a fair amount of difference in practical usage especially if you run memory intensive apps and games.
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Well, the chip binning is different, and that will constitute to different prices.
8974-AB vs 8974-AC. It's physically sold as a different part number.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(system_on_chip)
But sure.. in real life, the differences will be close to none. I'm thinking Sony added the extra 1GB RAM for 4K video and timeShift video.

IMO the hardware wars are coming to an end soon with cell phones and they will become appliances. This is generally considered to be the point where performance capabilities are no longer an issue and design, styling, and features become the selling points. The OEMs know it and outside of the ability to monetize proprietary software they are trying to capture buyers with it because the hardware itself wont be the thing they are selling in the not too distant future.
I have an N5, it has no lag and is completely fluid everywhere. Everything opens instantaneously unless it involves network connection speed. I do recognize there are people who game that will leverage further hardware advances but for me the future is already here, I don't care which processor the Z2 has because phones are flat getting kick ass on the upper end and I know it will make no difference as I click about the GUI.

G3 Antutu Benchmark

Whats your G3 Antutu Benchmark?
Mine is 26481 taken with airplane mode.
That's too low, isn't it?

It's really irrelevent. Open up a game and play it and how does it play?
Do you have any lag transitioning between apps?

Highest I got after a few tries is 30000.
Whats yours?

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Highest I got after a few tries is 30000.
Whats yours?
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I was going to start a new thread about it. I don't really care about benchmarks but always check them for point of reference between my various tests.
See my screenshot of latest Antutu scores.
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Also attached GSM Arena scores as point of reference.
I've not boosted, photoshopped these scores, hell no development yet, but small tweaks here and there.
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Highest I got after a few tries is 30000.
Whats yours?
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dont worry about it there low because of the screen ,longs as apps load fast and play well thats all what matters

I got a 0 when I used Antutu X

2gb/16gb UK version around 31000
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I now cannot get through the test without the phone saying "too hot shutting down"

Not rooted!!
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i got 35813 on my last try

Rooted stock, no performance tweaks, just visual stuff with tweaksbox. Not outstanding, but I'm pretty pleased, in game i also didn't notice any lags yet (e.g. at asphalt 8), also haven't faced any throttling yet at longer periods of high demand.
Here are some additional stats of 3dmark
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I got 36030. Pretty alright.

Stock rom, rooted with some LG bloat removed, default thermal settings retained (aka nothing modified) on ART I get 26K (the test, I believe runs better on Dalvik so I am assuming that is why my score was lower than 30K)
I decided to run Antutu X and it just gave me a score of 32K (on ART, which is usually about 5K lower than Dalvik)

After a few more runs.

Why so much big difference between the phones? I see scores from 26000 to 37000!! Why? I can understand what gives so much power in some phones.

ninjazx6 said:
Why so much big difference between the phones? I see scores from 26000 to 37000!! Why? I can understand what gives so much power in some phones.
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it's another example of why these benchmarks arent the end all be all.

ninjazx6 said:
Why so much big difference between the phones? I see scores from 26000 to 37000!! Why? I can understand what gives so much power in some phones.
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different people running phones differently, ART, Dalvik, certain ram draining apps all has an impact.
Generally Dalvik will give higher scores than ART as will having more 'free ram' (whilst giving you a higher score will not necessarily imrprove actual performance).
Temperature and battery level of the device when you run the test will also have an impact on the score.
Also I hope everyone is using Antutu X rather than Antutu - this is designed to stop cheating.

Lennyuk said:
different people running phones differently, ART, Dalvik, certain ram draining apps all has an impact.
Generally Dalvik will give higher scores than ART as will having more 'free ram' (whilst giving you a higher score will not necessarily imrprove actual performance).
Temperature and battery level of the device when you run the test will also have an impact on the score.
Also I hope everyone is using Antutu X rather than Antutu - this is designed to stop cheating.
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Agreed. In my experience even changing a launcher can increase your score.
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This is my result
37k

Tarzan- said:
I was going to start a new thread about it. I don't really care about benchmarks but always check them for point of reference between my various tests.
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Why start a new thread? It's then so hard to compare results, say, G3 vers Nexus 5 vers Note 4. 'Tis easier to post where all results are
theraker007 said:
It's really irrelevent. Open up a game and play it and how does it play?
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Well, you're not exactly right, try to run this one benchmark and post here or there screen of your highest score. It will be much-much lower than that of XZ2, or HTC M8. And some people do play themselves or give their phones to kids for they can play. And low fps in games like in example. I'm not even mention GTA SA which is he11 of bad code itself and lags on almost everything but that's different story
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Why so much big difference between the phones? I see scores from 26000 to 37000!! Why? I can understand what gives so much power in some phones.
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Why? 'Tis so easy to understand, it's called throttling and discussed in this nearby topic

One "BIG" A57 core always active?

Hi,
Been monitoring battery performance and CPU sleep states, and one thing I notice is that on my device the A53's spent a surprising amount of time at 1Ghz+ when the screen is on, and one of the A57 cores is always running a 384 when the device is idle, while the other 3 sleep. Is this Sony's attempt to keep the UI snappy? Having the A57 on all the time (screen on), even at that low frequency is going to use in the region of 100mW+ (which is about 4x that of each A53 core)
Can someone else sanity check my results?
I'm using perfmon, systempanel, and "floating monitors"
Perfmon can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1933284
It's also on the market for the price of a coffee, please consider buying it - great tool!

Yep sounds about right this Greek review:
https://translate.google.co.uk/tran.../2015/10/24/sony-xperia-z5-review/&edit-text=
Found that in most cases only one A57 core runs in the Z5.
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Pardon my ignorance but...how much worse do you think it is to run only the big cores and throttle them from 2Ghz to 300Mhz without turning ON and switching to the little ones? (In other words...disable the big little technology and just use the best 4 cores).
We're now using the little cores more than the big ones....and that 1.5Ghz cap could be the reason of a lot of stutters.
Changing the topic, now that Google is selling Nexus devices (5X and 6P) with big little. I think they will improve this ARM technology in future Android versions (including the kernel).
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thesebastian said:
Pardon my ignorance but...how much worse do you think it is to run only the big cores and throttle them from 2Ghz to 300Mhz without turning ON and switching to the little ones? (In other words...disable the big little technology and just use the best 4 cores).
We're now using the little cores more than the big ones....and that 1.5Ghz cap could be the reason of a lot of stutters.
Changing the topic, now that Google is selling Nexus devices (5X and 6P) with big little. I think they will improve this ARM technology in future Android versions (including the kernel).
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The little cores will be perfectly fine for most daily mundane tasks, such as checking emails, messaging etc. The stutters you mention probably is because the phone launched just before Marshmallow and Sony are focusing more on that OS, same kind of thing with the camera. The current camera app is just a placeholder for the proper app due for release in a week or two.

thesebastian said:
Pardon my ignorance but...how much worse do you think it is to run only the big cores and throttle them from 2Ghz to 300Mhz without turning ON and switching to the little ones? (In other words...disable the big little technology and just use the best 4 cores).
We're now using the little cores more than the big ones....and that 1.5Ghz cap could be the reason of a lot of stutters.
Changing the topic, now that Google is selling Nexus devices (5X and 6P) with big little. I think they will improve this ARM technology in future Android versions (including the kernel).
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In short, no. The little cores, whilst relative to the A57's are weak, they are by no means underpowered for running the UI and such. Do consider that the A53 core is faster than the A9 cores that powered previous flagships such as the Galaxy S3. Leaving one of the A57's ticking in the background is probably not such a bad idea having thought about it, as it allows fast handover when the high performance is required; I do however hypothesise that some of the stuttering might be due to threads being handed over to the A57, whilst it is running down at 384, which will be somewhat slower than the high frequency A53 core(s) the process is being passed from. It may be that we see a touch-boost or more aggressive CPU governor brought in to rectify this.
On a related note, there is a good article on the power-aware BIG.little implementation in the Snapdragon 810 here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8933/snapdragon-810-performance-preview/4

Definitely for performance.
If they weren't set is this fashion the UI would feel sluggish and sluggish on wake up.
Your findings sound perfectly normal/adequate, resemble a "interactive" CPU governor.

Z3+ A57 - 2 cores or 4 cores

So according android central's review, the Z3+ has two of the SD810's A57 cores disabled entirely. Only certain apps (literary a select few apps like the camera or antutu) will enable the phone to use all four A57's.
(can't post links, new user:crying
I don't own a Z3+, but I'm interested in getting one. Just curious if the Z3+ still has those A57's disabled under marshmallow, otherwise I might get a Z5.
Would someone on marshmallow test their Z3+ for me? All you need to do is download and use Trepn Profiler from the play store (Qualcomm's app, sorry can't post links).
According android central the A57's are cpu5, cpu6, cpu7 and cpu8.

According to the stats 5,6,8 were running on 0
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Thanks for checking!
Ok so 3 of them were disabled, maybe that's why MM runs cooler?
If possible could you play a game or something, not a benchmark tool, and see how the cpu's behave?

In my case one was showing 0 (if I recall well, cpu7), rest were showing activity during ordinary tasks as browsing, moving through menus etc...
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After some in depth investigation I can confirm that Z3+ won't use 3 of its A57 when it's gets hot specially during gaming. Only one core would work and that too at very low clock. After that no matter what you do it won't use the A57 cores. The cores would fire up only if you leave the device idele for some time. But as soon as you open Chrome the A57 cores would fire up but a low clock. This is happened in the lady update. Before that on MM even when the device was hot A57 cores would fire up. But after the last update Sony has done heavy change to the governor at the expense of performance. Even my 3 years old note 3 runs the game much faster after 5 mins into heavy gaming.
Sony should provide a performance mode option for people who need high performance during gaming irrespective of the heat. But the phone would never lag in the general applications. The only problem is that high level gaming and video editing impossible on this phone due to the A57 cores becoming inactive.

To be honest I think its actually making the battery last even less time, my z2 goes faster, cooler and much longer. Really really disappointed so far in this device and I dont know if they're going to bother improving on this.
I never used the device with mm because when I got it and added the 2nd user it gone into bootloop, so I had to flash it with the flashtool.
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It's how the Big.little has been configured. How I see it though is that it's a 4 core with a boost function. Um sure the 810 Uses HMp
The most powerful use model of big.LITTLE architecture is?*heterogeneous multi-processing?*(HMP), which enables the use of all physical cores at the same time. Threads with high priority or computational intensity can in this case be allocated to the "big" cores while threads with less priority or less computational intensity, such as background tasks, can be performed by the "LITTLE" cores.[10][11] wiki

I also noticed that. 3 cores are dead under pressure of gaming thats creepy.. Im on the latest mm. Hope that they will do something with it because i can feel its getting slower in direct test with Galaxy alpha g850f (with exynos).. Do someone know if this is a feature of marshmallow only or it is included in lollipop
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I just tested some gaming and security software scan, and all cores showed activity more or less..

Antutu score

Hi guys, why my antutu score is so low compared to OP3 (especially on 3D) ? It's even lower than the old G5. I'm using v10t open stock rom
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Strange, my G6 scored 144325 points with the same benchmarking app.
Your test seems to lack in 3D performances.
I did not stop any app before I run the bench.

1. don't give a **** about benchmarks
2. use the onboard Smart Doctor before Benchmark
3. Stop all your social waste apps like Facebook or better deinstall it, takes a lot of performance
4. LG G6 Display got a much higher resolution, this needs more performance
5. Oneplus is cheating on Benchmarks
So, don't give a f u c k about those things

Update : i did another test with "force gpu rendering" option on and with game battery saver off. My score increased but i saw on youtube that other variant of G6 can reach up to 160k
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ric84 said:
1. don't give a **** about benchmarks
2. use the onboard Smart Doctor before Benchmark
3. Stop all your social waste apps like Facebook or better deinstall it, takes a lot of performance
4. LG G6 Display got a much higher resolution, this needs more performance
5. Oneplus is cheating on Benchmarks
So, don't give a f u c k about those things
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Point 4 doesn't matter here because AnTuTu does the 3D benchmark at 1080p

simo14 said:
Update : i did another test with "force gpu rendering" option on and with game battery saver off. My score increased but i saw on youtube that other variant of G6 can reach up to 160k
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Without modified system and few apps running in background.

MuttleyMB said:
Without modified system and few apps running in background.
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My problem is 3D performance... Which firmware are you using ?
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simo14 said:
My problem is 3D performance... Which firmware are you using ?
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Just a stock v10t-EUR-XX Vodafone IT Branded firmware (no root) with many bloatware disabled.

ric84 said:
1. don't give a **** about benchmarks
2. use the onboard Smart Doctor before Benchmark
3. Stop all your social waste apps like Facebook or better deinstall it, takes a lot of performance
4. LG G6 Display got a much higher resolution, this needs more performance
5. Oneplus is cheating on Benchmarks
So, don't give a f u c k about those things
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Excpecially the point 5 should avoid any benchmark comparison with OnePlus smartphones

also, changing to the latest available antutu (outside of google play store) changed my score too, 140k+ is on par with snapdragon 821 devices and you shouldn't fret about the small differences. Try Geekbench

EvilHowl said:
Point 4 doesn't matter here because AnTuTu does the 3D benchmark at 1080p
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Sorry, didnt know! I mean i didnt recognize it :laugh:

Software Version ...V10t
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Close up whatsapp & have the battery above 90% when benchmarking and start with a room temperature phone.