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Froyo Reception

One of my main complaints with the Nexus One in general is 3G reception. It's not where it should be when compared to other phones (G1, myTouch, etc.). How are people fairing with 3G reception after the Froyo update? Is it looking better?

No change for me.

Thanks for your input. I do believe the issue is related to antenna placement, i.e. the design of the phone, so I guess this is never really going to be corrected.
It's not a major issue though depending on your area, I suppose.

My reception has improved, actually, an area where I previously got no signal - at lease gives me 1 or 2 bars without going out. That was only in that certain spot though, it was never a problem anywhere else.

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My reception has improved, actually, an area where I previously got no signal - at lease gives me 1 or 2 bars without going out. That was only in that certain spot though, it was never a problem anywhere else.
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Is that simply EDGE signal or 3G signal?

No change for me. Still crap reception at my house =\
(-100 dB to -105 dB)

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Is that simply EDGE signal or 3G signal?
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Oh sadly its EDGE.. but I mean, its something for an area that usually would simply be nothing.

I have slightly better signal as well.

Comes and goes... more fluctuation than before...... other than that, no real problems. Though, I have noticed I can upload a few things with upload links online now.... only music, pics and voice recorder eclipse, but here's to a developer making (or updating) a file browser that includes a plugin for the browser to upload anything...

I actually had a real problem with reception when I never used to.
constant edge connection when I always had 3G or H.
after flashing froyo my reception is better and I'm on 3G a lot more often like I used to be.

My 3G has always sucked on my Nexus.. even at my home I have to use Wi-Fi.
When I try to use 3G a lot of times the icon is present but I don't think I have any connection because if I go to the market it says something like "A network error has occured, retry or cancel" and also, I can't refresh the FaceBook feed.
Does anyone have this problem? Or is there a way to fix it?

Mine have gone up some...
<<--Tethering

noticeably improved here, thou no more "H" doesnt seem to hiccup anymore
p.s loving the froyo so far, better voice clarity also , only thing i miss is trackball wake

How do you guys reach such high speeds ? The highest my 3G DL speeds have hit is 600 kb/s pre-FroYo ...

much better reception for me

My house is borderline edge/3g and i would say it has gotten worse... im seeing more GPRS lately but w/e I use wifi while i am at home anyway...

Mine 3g actually seems worse after updating to froyo/2.2. I'm getting edge in places I used to get 3g but I will do some further testing
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i have better reception, at least on edge. now, i can actually get a signal in my apartment, most of the time, where as before, it was hardly ever.

Everything is working the same, if not better for me AT&T nexus one btw

the new froyo radio is 4.06 and its way better then 4.04, atleast in my personal case. signal is stronger and for once I am actually seeing a little 3g indoors.

Vibrant 3G problem: DL slow and much slower then UL

And download is also much slower compared to other brands. Upload is always very fast (but who the hell needs it fast?). All things are upside down! It must be DL>>UL, but in addition to low DL speed we have DL<<UL !!!
This happen when it's the city with DL/UL speeds are in the 100-1000 Kbps range. If we in the cities with the advanced speeds in 1000-5000 Kbps range everything is normal, the DL>>UL
Do you have such strange unusual DL/UL discrepancy with DL<<UL?
Example of bad upside down DL/UL: 300 Kbps/800 Kbps
Example of good one: 800 Kbps/300 Kbps or 5000 Kbps/1500 Kbps
Have you noticed upside down DL/UL numbers in "bad" tests? DL must be larger
I've ran three Vibrant phones at the same place and time in the city where there is no good 3G speed.
Two of them are unusually painfully slow with download while upload is blazingly (relatively) fast. I was getting 100-300 kbps DL and 800-900 Kbps UL.
High speed UL indicates that we are close to the tower and having good signal but still the download speed unexpectedly sucks
Build date for slow phones is 07/07/2010, will double check tomorrow about faster one.
I use free Speedtest.net application from the Market.
Please do the test !

I get about the same speeds on this as I did on my N900.

Yes, that's what i call "good" case above: the "good" towers, latest equipment and great signal strengths. In such areas my Vibrant is also fine. Problem is in near "bad" towers which are still a majority of the country

seems normal to me since I've had the same type of speeds on both my hd2 and vibrant in areas where 3g quality is known to be poor.
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ryan562 said:
seems normal to me since I've had the same type of speeds on both my hd2 and vibrant in areas where 3g quality is known to be poor.
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My tests were in the T-Mo shop and we ran different other brand phones, including older ones. All of them were 2-3 times faster on download (and similar or somewhat slower on upload) compared to "bad" Vibrant phones! The one which was "good" Vibrant phone, was similarly fast to other brands.
Same story as i described it above is also in my house where i know the speed range in great details. HD2 shows 800-950 Kbps download speed, Vibrant 250-350 kbps. Near the good tower with 5 Mbps max speeds both of them are equal and work fine, the DL >>UL like it should be. So we probably have some sensitivity issues with Vibrant 3G radios or their settings at low signals

I use the Speedtest dot net application from the Market.
The web based one does not work because needs latest Flash

I have gotten similar dl slower than ul, when my bars are at 1, but most of the time I am very happy with my download speed.
I have gotten over 5Mbs dl with full bars.

The 3G reception on my phone has been quite unpredictable.
I live in the best 3G coverage area in my city. I'm blanketed in T-Mo towers on every side. Inside my house, if I don't touch the phone, I pull down 5Mbps+, and Upload at ~2-3Mbps. It's fast enough to tether and use as my primary connection. Latency is ~35-50ms. I can stream Hulu with no hiccups.
However, if I so much as touch the back of the device with a single finger, the 3G drops until it reverts to EDGE. This is with a silicon case, and I can replicate it every time.
So, that's super annoying. I don't know why this would happen, to be honest.
On top of those problems, I have occasionally run into the issues where my uploads are super fast (~3Mbps), but my downloads are miserable (~0.2Mbps). This usually happens in bigger buildings.

With 3G and 4 bars i get 726/1288 Dl/UL, it has been like that every since I received my phone. Albeit I have only used my phone in a small area so far. Tmobile coverage map says I should be able to take advantage of the HSPA+ speeds, but who knows how accurate those things are.

Have you tried to going in to the mobile network settings and resetting them?
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My tests were in the T-Mo shop and we ran different other brand phones, including older ones. All of them were 2-3 times faster on download (and similar or somewhat slower on upload) compared to "bad" Vibrant phones! The one which was "good" Vibrant phone, was similarly fast to other brands.
Same story as i described it above is also in my house where i know the speed range in great details. HD2 shows 800-950 Kbps download speed, Vibrant 250-350 kbps. Near the good tower with 5 Mbps max speeds both of them are equal and work fine, the DL >>UL like it should be. So we probably have some sensitivity issues with Vibrant 3G radios or their settings at low signals
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ryan562 said:
Have you tried to going in to the mobile network settings and resetting them?
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I do not see what we can change there besides roaming. The network is T-mob own one.

I've also noticed my up speed is 2-3x higher than my down speed. Kind of strange. I will have to remember to test it more when I am in different areas.

I get the same results sometimes. Most of the times I am getting download speeds greater than 4 Mb/s in HSPA+ coverage. Last night I decided to do a speed test with my Vibrant and my wifes MyTouch Slide. Both of them yielded the same exact results. I tested them 5 times in the same area and all 5 times I got around 350kb/s download and 1100kb/s upload.
Guess it's the network and not the phone.

Horrible data speeds in Philly burbs

With stock Rom back in August I was hitting 5.3 Mb/s download speeds. Now I'm barely hitting .5 consistantly. I did some Nandroid restores and retested. All were the same crappy speeds.
No radio changes to date that I know of. Running Eugene's latest Frankin-whiz. Anyone else experiencing this? Any ideas?
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I'm afraid I can't be much help with solving the problem bit I am seeing the same issue here in central utah. I was getting speeds close to 2 mbps than I rooted, applied the lag fix, applied the gps fix (which didn't work any way), and now I get half a meg of I'm lucky. First time I tested I got .05 mbps....how do you check data usage to see if you are over the 10 gig limit where tmo throttles you?
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Same here in Colorado Springs. Latest FrankenWiz Rom. Checked data usage, and only at 1.3 G, as I mainly use wifi. Thought it was just me

I live in Philly around old city and I constantly pull 3mbps down and 1 mbps up. The city is where its at.
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NANDROID completely crippled my speed. I restored from a NANDROID backup and it ****ed up everything. Not sure if it was the lagfix I removed prior but either way, restore with ODIN to JI2.

See, I'm still on the stock rom though, so I wonder if it was the lag fix. I may try reversing the lag fix, than retesting to see if it is any better.
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Well, I just got home, (I live about 10 miles from work, which is where I did my last test) and now I am pulling 3 mbps down and 1 mbps up....no changes at all to my phone. Makes me wonder if it's a network issue. I tested my wifes vibrant (which is still 100% stock) and it was only pulling .88 mbps down and .90 mbps up....
*Boggle*

I never applied any lag fix mainly because Eugene's roms are fast enough and I give a damn about benchmarks. My first nandroid has a record of my speedtest, just cant reproduce the speeds.
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It may just be a network issue. I live in Seattle and usually pull over three downtown, but occasionally it'll force me over to Edge, then an hour later I'll be back on 3G. What sucks for me though is I can only pull about 1.5 - 1.8 in my apartment, but literally two blocks away I can pull 5-6 consistently.

Gotta do it ..Lv all y'all but... WESTIEED.. (see sig) pew that felt good. Nuf said..back to trollin'

When NANDROID/Lag hack ****ed my Vibrant's data speed, WiFi was also slow.

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When NANDROID/Lag hack ****ed my Vibrant's data speed, WiFi was also slow.
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Yeah, my WiFi has no issues at all and I can constantly pull great speeds off it. The data coming off the network is what is spotty at best for me, usually on the low side.

tmobile speeds on the vibrant is absolutely horrible in north Philadelphia. I get like 999k or 1gb download if i hold it in the air. When I used the hd2 rooted with android, I got like 2 to 3 gb.. so it's obviously the phone not being a good signal/data grabber. It's samsung's fault.. Nobody had better reception that Motorola in my opinion.. their phones always get good reception. Just my opinion through testing

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tmobile speeds on the vibrant is absolutely horrible in north Philadelphia. I get like 999k or 1gb download if i hold it in the air. When I used the hd2 rooted with android, I got like 2 to 3 gb.. so it's obviously the phone not being a good signal/data grabber. It's samsung's fault.. Nobody had better reception that Motorola in my opinion.. their phones always get good reception. Just my opinion through testing
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Just got off a chat with TMO, they said one of the local towers has been down for a while. Im not sure if that makes me feel any better but at least there is a known problem instead of the "everything looks good from here" answer I was expecting. Id rather have a tower down and crappy speeds than crappy speeds with no tower down. just have to wait and see.

Tmo 3g speeds...

OK, so before this phone I previously had a vibrant and then the mytouch4g. I live in a so called 4g area. The nexus s seems right in line with my vibrant and I can get a tick under 6mbps down. The upload here is faster on my nexus than the vibrant or the mytouch, at around 1.7mbps. The mytouch at Max could pull about 7.5mbps. I can't remember if I ever got more than that. I'm not making this threat to complain about the speeds of this phone.
My question is, if this phones radio can get a theoretical Max of 7.2mbps download, is that an unrealistic number even when the tower can pump out higher speeds? For example, the mytouch has a Max of 14.4mbps but even in a 4g area it never pulled down close to that. I'm thinking the speed of the radio is like alot of things where you have the theoretical Max and then you have the functional limit. Am I wrong saying that? Has anyone gotten a 7mbps download speed off the phone? Or conversely, if anyone has owned a g2 or mytouch4g, have you reached speeds anywhere close to those maxes? Is tmo even pumping out that much bandwidth yet?
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OK, so before this phone I previously had a vibrant and then the mytouch4g. I live in a so called 4g area. The nexus s seems right in line with my vibrant and I can get a tick under 6mbps down. The upload here is faster on my nexus than the vibrant or the mytouch, at around 1.7mbps. The mytouch at Max could pull about 7.5mbps. I can't remember if I ever got more than that. I'm not making this threat to complain about the speeds of this phone.
My question is, if this phones radio can get a theoretical Max of 7.2mbps download, is that an unrealistic number even when the tower can pump out higher speeds? For example, the mytouch has a Max of 14.4mbps but even in a 4g area it never pulled down close to that. I'm thinking the speed of the radio is like alot of things where you have the theoretical Max and then you have the functional limit. Am I wrong saying that? Has anyone gotten a 7mbps download speed off the phone? Or conversely, if anyone has owned a g2 or mytouch4g, have you reached speeds anywhere close to those maxes? Is tmo even pumping out that much bandwidth yet?
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closest ive gotten on my nexus is 6.5 down and 3 up

Wow that's an amazing upload speed!
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Jayrod1980 said:
Wow that's an amazing upload speed!
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And i by no means live in a small city.
Corona is 30-40 mins from LA, population like 160,000 people. so it isnt some podunk town

Damn you live in corona and get those speeds? I'm down in temecula, but on ATT. I see around 3 Mbps but have been thinking of switching.
Anyway theoretical max is most always limited by the backhaul to the tower, depending on how many T1 or more connections it has. But you should be able to get pretty damn close to max if all things were right in the perfect conditions.

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Damn you live in corona and get those speeds? I'm down in temecula, but on ATT. I see around 3 Mbps but have been thinking of switching.
Anyway theoretical max is most always limited by the backhaul to the tower, depending on how many T1 or more connections it has. But you should be able to get pretty damn close to max if all things were right in the perfect conditions.
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ya the speeds out here are pretty damn good

You will definitely run into the limit of the processor using SpeedTest.
You can show this if your home DSL / cable is fast enough. I get 17-19Mbps down and .9mbps up over WiFi through my DSL (Free, in France, ASDL 2+, and I live 800m from my CO in Paris, I'm using WiFi N from an AirPort Extreme) using my MacBook Pro (core i7, 8GB RAM so it can take it. ), running SpeedTest to a Paris server in Chrome. Using the same WiFi, I can get up to 8.5mbps down and .9 up on my Nexus S, connecting to the same server through the SpeedTest App.
I therefore know that while my connection can support much higher speeds, the phone's hardware/software can't handle them. For reference, an iPhone 4, right next to the NS, pulls up to 6.9mbps down. My N1 can do about 6.5 at best, and my old faithful milestone at stock clocking couldn't do better than about 4.5. Given that the Hummingbird processor in the NS is at 1ghz, and the hardware-similar iPhone's A4 (the GPU, much better in the NS as a SGX540 versus the iPhone's SGX535, isn't engaged at all by speedtest) is running at roughly 750-800mhz, those scores seem to indicate that the processor is the bottleneck with this test on these devices. Idem for the N1 versus the Moto - it is generally 1.4x to 1.5x faster with most CPU kinds of stuff compared to the Milestone, and the 6.5 to 4.5 ratio tends to follow that. I can't tell you why the N1 is slower consistently than the iPhone 4 at this test over WiFi, but it most definitely is.
Over 3G, I get wildly variant service all over Paris. I've seen up to 6mbps with the iPhone 4, the NS, and the N1, and up to (still) about 4.5 with the Milestone.
3G radio signal is something else entirely - the Moto is by far the best, then the NS, and then you have to fall a long, long way before you get to the iPhone and the N1.

San Fernando Valley here.
Never seen more than 3Mb/s on the NS on the down side, usually 1.5-2Mb/s on the up. My N1 in the same locations routinely pulled 4Mb/s down, about 1.5-2Mbs up. Highest I recall ever seeing is 4.4Mb/s on the N1 down.
One thing I've noticed with the Speedtest app is that the default server for me, Los Angeles, is often very slow for all devices. I can pull faster speeds if I test against Bullhead City or other Az cities.
I concur with @big_adventure that the phone's software seems to limit it rather than the wireless technology. I'm on a 30Mb/s FIOS line at the house, the laptop gets 32 down, 20 up, the Nexus S on the same WiFi node maxes out 12Mb/s down and 7Mb/s up.
I'll try to run some tests today to see if my N1 can still get the 4Mb/s speeds it used to average at my office. I'll also run some tethering tests and see what the laptop can pull over the tether for comparison.

running speed tests on a mobile phone, the bottleneck is ALWAYS the mobile hardware. the combination of cpu, memory type and speed, are ALWAYS the bottleneck when speed testing on a phone. so its the whole package that matters. maybe the nexus 1 has slower RAM memory but faster CPU, but the iphone 4 has slower CPU but faster memory, etc.

I'm getting 2.7-3.8mbs download and ~1.7 upload(never seems to change much) here in different parts of North Dallas.

I just did about a dozen tests between the two phones (Nexus S and Nexus 1), from my office, where I used to get 4.0Mb/s on the N1 in Speedtest app on the phone.
I ran a couple of tests against 3 different servers (Los Angeles, Lake Havasu, Bullhead City) on each phone, and again on my laptop tethered via wifi hotspot to the Nexus S.
I threw in a few extra tests on the NS after a reboot of the phone (to swap the sim back and forth between the two phones).
The results were pretty much the same for each method.
I peaked out at 2.9Mb/s down on both phones, and 2.8Mb/s on the tethered laptop.
Upload speeds more interesting, the Nexus One maxed out at 1.3Mb/s on every test to every servier, the Nexus S got 1.7Mb/s on every test to every server, and on the tethered laptop as well.
Both phones show full bars and 3G and I used the Antennas app from the Market to confirm that both phones were connected to the same cell tower.
Perhaps not the best field testing, but good enough to show me that if either phone has an advantage over the other, in my area, it's actually the NS because it's getting 40% faster uploads and comparable downloads.
It also shows me that my fears that the NS wasn't getting the 4.0Mb/s I am used to in this location is not because of the device, it seems to be a change in the quality of service here.
As a final point of interest, I ran the same tests using my iPhone 4 on AT&T. Averaged about 1.9Mb/s on the down, 1.0 on the up. This was interesting because this phone was averaging 2.6-ish down last time I tested it here. It seems that both AT&T and T-Mo aren't serving up what they used to here near the Van Nuys Airport.
This also speaks to what I've said consistently about T-Mo vs AT&T...when I can get service from T-Mo it's much faster than what AT&T gives me, but the problem with T-Mo is too many areas that I can't get signal from them around here where AT&T is available on the phone.

Signal Strength vs. GNex

Having a hard time finding info on this... anyone actually measured an increase/decrease vs. their GNex? I'm not talking about bars, but in dBm/ASUs or whatnot.
I was able to successfully order one today but am wondering if I should cancel. I primarily will use this phone to tether on the TMobile plan and while overall coverage with my GNex is adequate, I often find myself in situations indoors (various restaurants/cafes, etc) where it's a bit fringy and slow. Fortunately I live in a 42 HSPA+ area (downtown San Diego) so I imagine that will help some.

I don't have hard numbers for you, but based on my experience the last week its about the same if not marginally better. Nothing mind blowing though.
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El Daddy said:
I don't have hard numbers for you, but based on my experience the last week its about the same if not marginally better. Nothing mind blowing though.
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Hmm... are you seeing an improvement in your data speeds at least - ie. in a marginal area wear you might have gotten 1 mbps, you now get like 1.5 or 2?
If I'm not looking forward to much of an improvement here coupled with the glass back it might be best to sit this one out. OTOH I *did* get one and should be able to at least resell what I paid for it so it might not hurt to try...

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Hmm... are you seeing an improvement in your data speeds at least - ie. in a marginal area wear you might have gotten 1 mbps, you now get like 1.5 or 2?
If I'm not looking forward to much of an improvement here coupled with the glass back it might be best to sit this one out. OTOH I *did* get one and should be able to at least resell what I paid for it so it might not hurt to try...
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Yeah data speeds are much higher. At work where I usually have one or two bars I now get ~10Mbps with the N4 as opposed to the Gnex I'd have 3-7Mbps. At home where I have a great signal; I went from 7Mbps with the Gnex to 19Mbps with the N4.
I'm on T-Mobile BTW.
Edit: The performance increase from the Gnex to the N4 alone is enough for me to recommend the upgrade. It absolutely flies!
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Yeah data speeds are much higher. At work where I usually have one or two bars I now get ~10Mbps with the N4 as opposed to the Gnex I'd have 3-7Mbps. At home where I have a great signal; I went from 7Mbps with the Gnex to 19Mbps with the N4.
I'm on T-Mobile BTW.
Edit: The performance increase from the Gnex to the N4 alone is enough for me to recommend the upgrade. It absolutely flies!
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Awesome! Thanks for sharing... I'm a remote web consultant, so this basically this seals the deal for me. I'm rarely in situations with no signal, just places that it's a bit too slow that I tend to avoid. Usually in the best spots I see about 8-9 mbps so I'm looking forward to the increase in speed, which sounds like it may put me close to what I get on my home network.