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7" HDX - No Fire OS 5 - Decisions to be made

Hi all,
For those of us who's hopes have been dashed, fire OS 5 is leaving us in it's dust.
3rd gen 7" HDX's - I have one lying here - never been rooted or modified thus far.
What advice would members give. What options do I have other than selling it on or dumping it?
Is it time to return it for store credit (had 2 yr warranty - freezes occasionally) or are there roms out there that make it worth keeping?
I am a newbie - and it's the news that we are to be denied this update that is the cause of these questions.
I think many owners will be looking for options - and will really benefit from a discussion on this.
Any views/ideas/comments welcome.
CM

Capt Morpheous said:
Hi all,
For those of us who's hopes have been dashed, fire OS 5 is leaving us in it's dust.
3rd gen 7" HDX's - I have one lying here - never been rooted or modified thus far.
What advice would members give. What options do I have other than selling it on or dumping it?
Is it time to return it for store credit (had 2 yr warranty - freezes occasionally) or are there roms out there that make it worth keeping?
I am a newbie - and it's the news that we are to be denied this update that is the cause of these questions. I many might benefit from a discussion on this.
Any views/ideas/comments welcome.
CM
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Best option (IMO) is a rollback to 4.5.2 (via 3.2.8), root, install Safestrap v4 and then flash CM11 or Nexus v4 replacing FireOS v4. Yields a 'pure' android tablet with high end specs and full access to the Play Store. Trumps FireOS 5 but a wide margin which I like too. Possible other Safestrap compatible roms might become available now the FireOS upgrade path is known.

I suspect that sending out the message that the 7" HDX 3rd gen will be getting the fire OS 5 update, then apologising and saying 'actually it won't' - will help (accidentally of course) drive sales of newer units.
Currently my device says - OS firmware 4.5.5.
I have heard that a 4.5.5.1 update has been released. Some are speculating it could be an anti-rollback update - in which case rooting could get much more difficult.
For those of us just getting to grips with the situation - how do we block OTA update to 4.5.5.1. If it has already been downloaded awaiting a reboot to install, how can we block that too?

Capt Morpheous said:
I suspect that sending out the message that the 7" HDX 3rd gen will be getting the fire OS 5 update, then apologising and saying 'actually it won't' - will help (accidentally of course) drive sales of newer units.
Currently my device says - OS firmware 4.5.5.
I have heard that a 4.5.5.1 update has been released. Some are speculating it could be an anti-rollback update - in which case rooting could get much more difficult.
For those of us just getting to grips with the situation - how do we block OTA update to 4.5.5.1. If it has already been downloaded awaiting a reboot to install, how can we block that too?
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You can not effectively block OTA updates without rooting which requires a modestly complex (and risky) rollback to 3.2.8 followed by an upgrade to 4.5.2. Safestrap v4 and two non-FireOS roms are also options once on 4.5.2.
I say 'effectively' as there are other methods for holding back OTAs such as IP address blocking or temporarily stopping services via clever use of adb commands on unrooted devices. Neither is convenient or 100% effective.
If an update has been downloaded and waiting to install you *may* be able to see and erase it from internal storage when you device is tethered to a host. Look for a. bin file containing the word 'update'.

Really appreciate the input.
Can I please ask for a list of ip's to block.
We can enter them into our router ip blocking fields.

Capt Morpheous said:
Really appreciate the input.
Can I please ask for a list of ip's to block.
We can enter them into our router ip blocking fields.
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Amazon rotates IPs. That's why IP blocking is only a temporary solution. I have long since lost track of what IPs are currently being used to distribute updates.
BTW - IP rotation is a common load balancing technique. It has nothing to do with trying to circumvent user blocks.

I would now update to 4.5.5.1, root with Kingroot, add Safestrap 4.01, and load the stable Nexus 4.05 rom. that is what I did with my 7" hdx. all can be done within minutes (just be sure to read over the forums for complete instruction if you have not custom rom'd before). runs buttery smooth and brings new life to an awesome tablet. these dev's here are amazing and willing to share their talents for the community.

I am other thor owners - really appreciate the input on this thread.
It's clear that the community suggest putting a custom rom on this device - since amazon have retired it.
For those of us who are newbies:
1. Which rom is seen as the most appropriate for this device (stability / security).
2. What functions/abilities would we have to give up (e.g screen mirroring or so on) by moving to a custom rom (ignore mayday)?

Capt Morpheous said:
I am other thor owners - really appreciate the input on this thread.
It's clear that the community suggest putting a custom rom on this device - since amazon have retired it.
For those of us who are newbies:
1. Which rom is seen as the most appropriate for this device (stability / security).
2. What functions/abilities would we have to give up (e.g screen mirroring or so on) by moving to a custom rom (ignore mayday)?
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At present the only (Safestrap v4 compatible) rom choices are CM11 and Nexus v4. Both are mature, feature complete and stable. No Lollipop or Marshmallow variants. You gain much a give up little moving away from FireOS v4 as most proprietary functionality can be duplicated via official Amazon apps. Kindle book lending, Amazon's take on parental controls and Mayday are the only capabilities that can't be immediately duplicated. If dissatisfied you can always return to FireOS.

Fire OS 5 on 3rd gen
Is there any way to get fireos 5 on kindle fire hdx 7?
I wanna get one lol

KoreanAmerican said:
Is there any way to get fireos 5 on kindle fire hdx 7?
I wanna get one lol
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No. All HDX 7" models (thor) are 3rd gen which will not receive an automatic update to FireOS v5. Whether v5 it can be adapted to run on 3rd gen devices is unknown. Source has only been recently released. Since the bootloader remains locked on the vast majority of HDX devices a 'helper' environment such as Safestrap will be needed. None exist as of this writing.

firmware for 3rd gen HDX 8.9

I have this Fire HDX 8.9 3rd gen https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BYHTK5Y/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I recently tried to start Optimum app for tv viewing and it claims it no longer works on my OS version and doesn't provide any other information. I have Fire OS 4.5.2 from December 13, 2014. It was rooted previously with TWRP, but I haven't done anything since then. I think I need to get to 5, but does the 3rd gen HD 8 work or support it? Any recommendations on firmware?
edit
I see that's there's other Kindle forums, but the server keeps timing out on me trying to list them.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201357220
Looks like your device doesn't support Fire OS v5
Since you have TWRP, you can flash one of many ROMs (up to Nougat) found here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/kindle-fire-hdx/orig-development

[Q] Root question on 5.6.4.0 [...9920]

Hi -
I was wondering if anyone has had sucess in Rooting the same device as I have.
I was rooted a few months ago, but I upgraded to a newer firmware/build and lost root.
I see many post's about rooting the HD 10" on FireOS 5.6.4.0 with build 636559820 and no
problems, but I have not heard from anyone that has achevied Root on 5.6.4.0 build 636559920 ?
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If anyone knows if it is possable on the ...9920 build please let me know.
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Thank you
Kindle Fire HD 10"
Fire OS - 5.6.4.0
Build - 636559920
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Thibor69 said:
Hi -
I was wondering if anyone has had sucess in Rooting the same device as I have.
I was rooted a few months ago, but I upgraded to a newer firmware/build and lost root.
I see many post's about rooting the HD 10" on FireOS 5.6.4.0 with build 636559820 and no
problems, but I have not heard from anyone that has achevied Root on 5.6.4.0 build 636559920 ?
.
If anyone knows if it is possable on the ...9920 build please let me know.
.
Thank you
Kindle Fire HD 10"
Fire OS - 5.6.4.0
Build - 636559920
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To block OTA Updates
Can you simply move the DeviceSoftwareOTA, SystemUpdatesUI, DeviceSoftwareOTAContracts and DeviceSoftwareOTAIdleOverride folder in /system/priv-app/ directory to /storage/emulated/0/ internal storage directory.
Or, can you delete the system app folder, DeviceSoftwareOTA, SystemUpdatesUI, DeviceSoftwareOTAContracts and DeviceSoftwareOTAIdleOverride permanently.

Thibor69 said:
Hi -
I was wondering if anyone has had sucess in Rooting the same device as I have.
I was rooted a few months ago, but I upgraded to a newer firmware/build and lost root.
I see many post's about rooting the HD 10" on FireOS 5.6.4.0 with build 636559820 and no
problems, but I have not heard from anyone that has achevied Root on 5.6.4.0 build 636559920 ?
.
If anyone knows if it is possable on the ...9920 build please let me know.
.
Thank you
Kindle Fire HD 10"
Fire OS - 5.6.4.0
Build - 636559920
.
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See Post 993. Yes it is possible...
https://forum.xda-developers.com/hd.../unlock-fire-hd-10-2017-suez-t3913639/page100
" confirm that I managed to root my Fire HD 10, 7th Gen, 5.6.4.0 636559920 (automatically installed Dec 12th), and install TWRP & Magisk.
The intentional bricking made me also nervous, but if you follow the steps, it works."

Downgrade from Fire OS 5.6.8.0

Hi there,
I've got a Amazon Fire HD 8 7th gen running Fire OS 5.6.8.0 which I'm trying to downgrade and to attempt to root and flash TWRP with no luck. Does anyone knows a guide to get it rooted or get rid of the Amazon OS and install a regular Android version?
Thank you in advance!

lem2405 said:
Hi there,
I've got a Amazon Fire HD 8 7th gen running Fire OS 5.6.8.0 which I'm trying to downgrade and to attempt to root and flash TWRP with no luck. Does anyone knows a guide to get it rooted or get rid of the Amazon OS and install a regular Android version?
Thank you in advance!
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Here is a link to root your Fire tablet using exploit (follow the steps carefully)
[UNLOCK][ROOT][TWRP][UNBRICK] Fire HD 8 2017 (douglas)
Read this whole guide before starting. This is for the 7th gen Fire HD8 (douglas). Current version: amonet-douglas-v1.2.zip NOTE: This process does not require you to open your device, but should something go horribly wrong, be prepared to do...
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Replace Fire OS with LineageOS
[UNLOCK][ROOT][TWRP][UNBRICK] Fire HD 8 2017 (douglas)
Read this whole guide before starting. This is for the 7th gen Fire HD8 (douglas). Current version: amonet-douglas-v1.2.zip NOTE: This process does not require you to open your device, but should something go horribly wrong, be prepared to do...
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AmznUser444 Dev said:
Here is a link to root your Fire tablet using exploit (follow the steps carefully)
[UNLOCK][ROOT][TWRP][UNBRICK] Fire HD 8 2017 (douglas)
Read this whole guide before starting. This is for the 7th gen Fire HD8 (douglas). Current version: amonet-douglas-v1.2.zip NOTE: This process does not require you to open your device, but should something go horribly wrong, be prepared to do...
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Replace Fire OS with LineageOS
[UNLOCK][ROOT][TWRP][UNBRICK] Fire HD 8 2017 (douglas)
Read this whole guide before starting. This is for the 7th gen Fire HD8 (douglas). Current version: amonet-douglas-v1.2.zip NOTE: This process does not require you to open your device, but should something go horribly wrong, be prepared to do...
forum.xda-developers.com
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This is not going to work for lem2405 as they provide the hardware and fw version of 5.6.8.0. The link you provided states: "Fire HD 8 7th gen (2017) -- up to Fire OS 5.6.4.0 build 636558520 only" clearly will not provide a solution.

Hey guys,
any update on the issue? My HD10 also runs on 5.6.8.0 and I don't want to brick it. Is the limitation "up to Fire OS 5.6.4.0 build 636558520 only" still valid?

rootninja7 said:
This is not going to work for lem2405 as they provide the hardware and fw version of 5.6.8.0. The link you provided states: "Fire HD 8 7th gen (2017) -- up to Fire OS 5.6.4.0 build 636558520 only" clearly will not provide a solution.
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In that thread, the first post says "NOTE: If you are on a firmware newer than 5.6.4.0, a downgrade is necessary, this requires bricking the device temporarily. (The screen won't come on at all)"
after downgrading the firmware through bricking, multiple people have reported in that thread of success un-lock of 5.6.8.0. i suggest reading the last few pages; starting from here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/unlock-root-twrp-unbrick-fire-hd-8-2017-douglas.3962846/page-32

Thank you, I just saw this thread and thought, it's over after a certain fw-version. I'm gonna read the mentioned pages and try to downgrade first.
cheers

Hoernche said:
Thank you, I just saw this thread and thought, it's over after a certain fw-version. I'm gonna read the mentioned pages and try to downgrade first.
cheers
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if urs is HD10 2017 (code name suez), u are better off reading its specific thread here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/unlock-root-twrp-unbrick-fire-hd-10-2017-suez.3913639/page-66
again there were reports of successful unlock w/ 5.6.7.0 and 5.6.8.0 in the last few pages. BEFORE doing the full bootloader unlock, plz note there could be other way to root access (no TWRP or custom rom though) like this: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/tut-root-hd10-2017-hd8-2016-2017-easy-supersu.3726443/ or this: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/hd-10-2017-offline-rooting.3734860/
check around as HD10 2017 got hacked for root access very early! good luck!

newnewcomputer said:
In that thread, the first post says "NOTE: If you are on a firmware newer than 5.6.4.0, a downgrade is necessary, this requires bricking the device temporarily. (The screen won't come on at all)"
after downgrading the firmware through bricking, multiple people have reported in that thread of success un-lock of 5.6.8.0. i suggest reading the last few pages; starting from here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/unlock-root-twrp-unbrick-fire-hd-8-2017-douglas.3962846/page-32
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How exactly would you downgrade through bricking?

A Custom ROM for Fire HD 8 (KFGIWI) 2016

Greetings and Salutations!
I have an Amazon Fire HD 8 (KFGIWI) a.k.a. 6th Generation tablet and I've been recently considering root/unlock in order to install a custom ROM. With no TWRP and/or LineageOS support for the device it's clear my options are limited. I was following this thread with interest
[discontinued][ROM][unlocked][ford,austin] Fire Nexus ROM [26 MAY 2019] but it would seem this thread has since been locked as the developer has moved on to other projects.
I don't see any recent posts in this forum about this device. Has no one managed to "crack" the 6th Generation Fire? Any success stories? I'm about to pay to have someone root/unlock my device for me.. but only if I can get something even as unrecent as Android 7
Please, indulge me with your Two Cents

I too have just picked up a 2016 HD 8 hoping to root/install lineageos, but have seemingly hit the brick wall that it isn't possible for some reason...?!
Anyone able to shed any light on this? Have seen success with the 2015 and 2018 versions... why is this one such a problem?

Billy.J.Zeramin said:
I too have just picked up a 2016 HD 8 hoping to root/install lineageos, but have seemingly hit the brick wall that it isn't possible for some reason...?!
Anyone able to shed any light on this? Have seen success with the 2015 and 2018 versions... why is this one such a problem?
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It's possible to get root, but there's no way to unlock the bootloader and flash a custom ROM that I know of. So, you can do stuff like disable amazon apps including the launcher (so the home button will use your own favorite launcher) and try to make the best of what there is on FireOS, but it's an ancient android version with a lot of crap on it, and it's getting less useful by the day. I would love it if I could make mine more useful. It really is tempting to just sell it and get a different year's version that is more hackable, but part of me doesn't even want to ever buy an Amazon tablet again. Nothing but trouble from these things.
For root, use these.
GitHub - R0rt1z2/AutomatedRoot: Root your MediaTek device with CVE-2020-0069
Root your MediaTek device with CVE-2020-0069. Contribute to R0rt1z2/AutomatedRoot development by creating an account on GitHub.
github.com
Amazing Temp Root for MediaTek ARMv8 [2020-08-24]
Software root method for MediaTek MT67xx, MT816x, and MT817x! So it's no big secret that not too long ago, I found a way to achieve temporary root on MediaTek chipsets. No preinstalled root solution or device unlock was needed. The tool I...
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I also found the auto.txt file here useful, long list of things it will disable when used as described.
Fire HD 8 2016: System apps list to disable and links to get it more "google"
Fire HD 8 2016: System apps list to disable and links to get it more "google" Thanks to users in OPs links below this tablet comes to a new life (abandoned mine because lack of Show Mode) but now we are able to have Google almost fully...
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It is notably missing the line for the launcher, though. If you've got something like OpenLauncher installed, additionally do this:
`pm disable com.amazon.firelauncher`
I recommend getting additional apps from F-Droid rather than adding Google apps and services. This thing has enough spyware on it as it is.

hey ,
Anyone got an old Amazon Fire HD 8 (KFGIWI) a.k.a. 6th Generation lcd screen ribbon they can maybe pull out of an old tablet for me ? will obv pay + postage
i was unbricking the gf tablet and broke the connecctor .tried fleabay and everyhere.
thanks in advance

Ok I'm new here but I was given this Amazon Fire HD8 I got to checking it out and it's a 2017 7th generation model KFDOWI / LOLLIPOP MR1 Android 5.1.1 API level 22 build number LVY48F Release Date March 9, 2015. I was looking for a way to install a new home and app launcher and clean out the Amazon trash. $zAdding google playas well. But I don't have a laptop or computer. The only other device I have is a Motorola Moto g stylus. So I would need to do it all by either APK files or something. Please let me know what my choices are

WolfDragon51 said:
Ok I'm new here but I was given this Amazon Fire HD8 I got to checking it out and it's a 2017 7th generation model KFDOWI / LOLLIPOP MR1 Android 5.1.1 API level 22 build number LVY48F Release Date March 9, 2015. I was looking for a way to install a new home and app launcher and clean out the Amazon trash. $zAdding google playas well. But I don't have a laptop or computer. The only other device I have is a Motorola Moto g stylus. So I would need to do it all by either APK files or something. Please let me know what my choices are
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Hi,
Development for this device has began to continue after the device was recently unlocked.
If youre looking to change things around a little
ie launcher, remove ads and updates etcetera have a look here :-
Amazon FireHD Toolbox
[WINDOWS/LINUX][TOOL]Fire Toolbox V30.2
Fire Toolbox V30.2 All-In-One Toolbox for Fire Tablets! The Fire Toolbox is a collection of useful ADB (Android Debug Bridge) tweaks that can be applied to Amazon's Fire Tablets. The Toolbox project aims to help users fully customize and...
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The dev of this little beauty has done well here.
hope this helps
Regards

There is a way to unlock Fire HD 8 6-th gen
[UNLOCK][ROOT][TWRP][UNBRICK] Fire HD 8 2016 (giza)
Read this whole guide before starting. This is for the 6th gen Fire HD8 (giza). Current version: amonet-giza-v1.3.zip NOTE: This process does not require you to open your device, but should something go horribly wrong, be prepared to do so...
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