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4 k video recording?

4k recording is on lte not in 3g.is it true?
if 3g version dosnot have 4k recording then ..there will b patch to record 4k records?let me know

Snap Processor - LTE & 4K recording
Octa Processor - More Ram & 4 Cores but no LTE or 4k
It boils down to processors not 3g

Nope, there will never be any patch. Hardware limitation.
BTW, do you have a 4K TV or a monitor? If not, I find it hard to understand why would you need a 4K. If you have a 4K display, then it makes sense for you.

CLARiiON said:
BTW, do you have a 4K TV or a monitor? If not, I find it hard to understand why would you need a 4K. If you have a 4K display, then it makes sense for you.
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May be he has. May be does not. Who cares? Let technology spread out. Otherwise we would have stuck with 3GP and low bitrate MP4s.
I totally agree 4k content atm really rare but so did 1080p. Did people sat idle and stuck with 3GP recording in the fear that OMG! 1080p is so huge!!!!!!! I would not buy a 64 GB card for that.
4k is a nice addition. And to your other point-before 1080p displays came out all the 720p display like S3 were able to shoot and playback 1080p. Did anyone question why 1080p on a 720p native display? No.
I have seen two 4k samples and yes I am excited. Specially from the phonearena sample the moving tree leaves looked outstandingly crisp. And if I am the one out of 10 million people who cares about 4k it wont stuck with me forever. With more devices gonna have 4k native [already started to] display and storage like 128 GB 4k will become regular thing. And to be regular stuff like 1080ps or 720ps initiatives like this will naturally occur.
People just cannot keep other people discouraged from a nice tech evolution. If they would succeed people would never move beyond 2 GB memory card and low bitrate 3GP or .rmv video contents and shoot straight out the people who consume ogg music files.
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4k video was just a gimmick I feel. If you dont have device to play 4k content like pc or Tv, there is no point of 4k. Its good that Asians won't get it

i have seen the video comparison b/w 4k n 1080p..too much difference..thats y i like 4k..too much detailed in 4k
have a look
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXiWGD18N3c

Costco had a 4k TV playing the same movie as a 1080p TV and I could genuinely tell the difference. But unfortunately my wallet is a bit too small to early adopt the 4k TV's right now

I'm as much for future-proofing as anyone else here. But where is 4K content coming from and how's it being delivered? Content upscaled to 4K (EG: HD TV/Movies originally captured in 720/1080P) aren't going to look any better than they would on a 720P/1080P TV or monitor. They’ll most likely look worse. 4K content is huge. All the ISPs are already *****ing about what video's doing to their networks. How long did it take for Blu-Ray to become a standard? And the only Blu-Ray that looked good was what was natively captured in HD not the upscaled crap like 50's I love Lucy episodes. So for 4K to become meaningful content producers need to start capturing in it. That 'aint gonna be happening fast as the only ones that benefit from 4K as it stands are the TV manufacturers and they aren't significant enough in the food chain to drive standards forward. So we'll probably all be on the Note 4 (and more likely the N5) when UHD (4K) gains any real traction. Because traction requires native content.
So would I want 4K in the N3? Sure, who wouldn't want extra "cool" stuff for the same price. Would I ever use it to record anything? No, the files are huge and would have to be downscaled to my 1080P TVs, monitors, and devices making natively captured 1080P look better anyway. Am I going to run out and buy 4K playback devices? Absolutely. As soon as at least 1/3 of the content I playback is available in UHD.
An interesting article...
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57566079-221/why-ultra-hd-4k-tvs-are-still-stupid/

nabilsweet007 said:
i have seen the video comparison b/w 4k n 1080p..too much difference..thats y i like 4k..too much detailed in 4k
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Wow 4k looks really nice. Phonearena posted the sample 4k video but it was useless because youtube converts it to 1080p. The native 1080p video that they posted looked better than 4k on youtube. I can't wait to use 4k. It might not be every time I go to record something but if I love being able to have that option.

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4k video was just a gimmick I feel. If you dont have device to play 4k content like pc or Tv, there is no point of 4k. Its good that Asians won't get it
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It amazes me how short-sighted some people are to say stuff like that. You and Clariion, 2 posts above you, as well as many other people in different threads...Videos, recorded with your phone's camcorder are memories for life. Do you record something only to watch it right away and be done with, never watch it again? 20 years ago, when there was only VHS available - if someone offered you a device, which can record video in DVD quality, would you say "no" to that, because your current TV can only play VHS resolution?...
You're saying "I don't want to record much better quality video just because right now I don't have a TV, that can play it." . In a few years 4k TVs will be a standard in every house, and you'll be watching your wedding's video in sh*itty 1080p, because you chose not to get 4k camcorder just because you didnt have a playback device for it at the time...

I can't believe some of you don't see the benefits of 4k even if you plan on never getting a 4k TV. While recording in 4k, just your ability to digitally zoom while maintaining excellent quality should be worth the feature being present. It's basically lossless digital zoom (up to a point of course.) I can't imagine anyone not wanting that.

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I was wondering if there was some sort of video upscaling present when videos of a lower resolution like 720p and 1080p videos are played. I mean, there's not much point in a QHD screen if even 1080p videos are pixelated, right?

What do you mean? They have to be upscaled, how else would you want to watch them? In a small window? 720p should upscale without any quality loss (1 pixel becomes 4 pixels), 1080p should look great too but with a slight, probably not noticable at such small screen size quality loss.

1080p videos look great on my Tab S 8.4 i don't see any reason why they wouldn't on the Note 4.

Sorry. Yeah, I mean lossless upscaling.

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Sorry. Yeah, I mean lossless upscaling.
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Lossless...?
Relative to the 1080p, sure, it's lossless as you don't lose any resolution from 1080p. Relative to 1440p? Well, in that case of course you lose resolution if the source video isn't 1440p.
Sorry, I'm not too sure what you mean by lossless.

Looks like I've been doing a shoddy job of explaining myself. Sorry about that.
I know that this may sound completely retarded, but what I meant to ask was this : Does the Note 4 have the same type of upscaling that is present in 4K televisions?

Why can't record 1080p with 60fps?

Why is this not available on the newest version of nexus line?
If you pick a other app, is then possible to record 1080p 60fps?
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Technically speaking the Snapdragon is capable of processing 1080 @ 120 FPS, however there may be either a hardware limit on the sub-processor of camera (haven't even looked if there was one). As far as I can see from the kernel source posted on AOSP there is a high media profile for [email protected] fps and [email protected], Theoretically you might be able to just create another entry in the profile to enable it.

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I'm very very interested to this discussion! The last nexus 6 was 100% capable of recording fullhd videos @60fps but Google disable that function and nobody know why, I was absolutely sure that in this nexus 6p that record mode would be present! There are no reason why it should be disabled, who cares if I can record a bird at 240fps (in slow motion), how many times somebody use this functions? One in a month?
How many instead make some (normal) videos? Maybe two/three times a week or even more and recording @ 60fps instead of 30fps is like day and night! Damn Google.

Why would you ever want to record 1080p videos @ 60fps? You would never be able to tell the difference from from 30fps. The human eye can only see about 42-45 fps. If you shoot a video at 60fps it is actually going to look unnatural. Most that shoot 60fps do so only because they intend to slow it down to 30fps in post production.
30fps is the standard and it is rare to shoot video at higher frame rates. In fact, shooting at 60fps would reduce your shutter speed requiring more light to get a quality video.

nonnasmyladie said:
Why would you ever want to record 1080p videos @ 60fps? You would never be able to tell the difference from from 30fps. The human eye can only see about 42-45 fps. If you shoot a video at 60fps it is actually going to look unnatural. Most that shoot 60fps do so only because they intend to slow it down to 30fps in post production.
30fps is the standard and it is rare to shoot video at higher frame rates. In fact, shooting at 60fps would reduce your shutter speed requiring more light to get a quality video.
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Because 60fps looks a lot better - obviously.
I don't know how you, or anybody can even come close to thinking the 30 frames per second is OK when you have the option of 120 and 240.
Have you never seen a YT video with 60fps!? Yeah... You're blind if you can't see the difference. It makes no sense for Google to have those very high frame rate options but still not have 60 frames per second at 1080p.
Also, no, you are wrong about people slowing down 60 frames per second video. You would slow down 120 or 240, yes, but nobody in their right mind would use 60 frames per second down to 30 in today's world. You would just use the 60 frames per second video because it looks a lot smoother.
You sound very ignorant in your post. Nearly all of what you said is bull****.

nonnasmyladie said:
Why would you ever want to record 1080p videos @ 60fps? You would never be able to tell the difference from from 30fps. The human eye can only see about 42-45 fps. If you shoot a video at 60fps it is actually going to look unnatural. Most that shoot 60fps do so only because they intend to slow it down to 30fps in post production.
30fps is the standard and it is rare to shoot video at higher frame rates. In fact, shooting at 60fps would reduce your shutter speed requiring more light to get a quality video.
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I don't know about your source, but the human eyes are seeing the world at arround 2000fps.
PS: you can clearly see the difference between 30vs60 and you can see a little difference at 120fps

I think that poster is either a troll or a moron - or has been reading console forums (because anyone with half a brain knows that what they said is a complete lie)
Me thinks they didn't read before spewing garbage. Shame really...

marcoruzza said:
I'm very very interested to this discussion! The last nexus 6 was 100% capable of recording fullhd videos @60fps but Google disable that function and nobody know why, I was absolutely sure that in this nexus 6p that record mode would be present! There are no reason why it should be disabled, who cares if I can record a bird at 240fps (in slow motion), how many times somebody use this functions? One in a month?
How many instead make some (normal) videos? Maybe two/three times a week or even more and recording @ 60fps instead of 30fps is like day and night! Damn Google.
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Why would you ever want to record 1080p videos @ 60fps? You would never be able to tell the difference from from 30fps. The human eye can only see about 42-45 fps. If you shoot a video at 60fps it is actually going to look unnatural. Most that shoot 60fps do so only because they intend to slow it down to 30fps in post production.
30fps is the standard and it is rare to shoot video at higher frame rates. In fact, shooting at 60fps would reduce your shutter speed requiring more light to get a quality video.
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Because 60fps looks a lot better - obviously.
I don't know how you, or anybody can even come close to thinking the 30 frames per second is OK when you have the option of 120 and 240.
Have you never seen a YT video with 60fps!? Yeah... You're blind if you can't see the difference. It makes no sense for Google to have those very high frame rate options but still not have 60 frames per second at 1080p.
Also, no, you are wrong about people slowing down 60 frames per second video. You would slow down 120 or 240, yes, but nobody in their right mind would use 60 frames per second down to 30 in today's world. You would just use the 60 frames per second video because it looks a lot smoother.
You sound very ignorant in your post. Nearly all of what you said is bull****.
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I don't know about your source, but the human eyes are seeing the world at arround 2000fps.
PS: you can clearly see the difference between 30vs60 and you can see a little difference at 120fps
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I think that poster is either a troll or a moron - or has been reading console forums (because anyone with half a brain knows that what they said is a complete lie)
Me thinks they didn't read before spewing garbage. Shame really...
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I can definitely say that I can see it. Between 30fps and 60fps. Soooo much smoother and crisp. If you look a sample on youtube. You only want 60 fps.
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The human eye does not "view" at around 2000fps, it doesn't actually see in any fps while viewing the natural world. The human eye sees things live, as in ~fps. Those of us with good eyesight can definitely see the screen refresh on lower rates like 60fps. My TV is 1080p hd @ 50hz (which is not fps) & its gotten so painful to watch it, that I am considering a new TV. When you watch a 60fps video on a 50hz TV, the refresh rate & the frames of the video don't coincide & make the experience jumpy. 30fps looks better because the fps is slower than the refresh rate.
On our 2k phone screens however 30fps looks jumpy because the resolution is higher & our eyes are trying to view it in the same manner as we view the natural world.

iRub1Out said:
I think that poster is either a troll or a moron - or has been reading console forums (because anyone with half a brain knows that what they said is a complete lie)
Me thinks they didn't read before spewing garbage. Shame really...
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I actually studied photography and film extensively in college as it was my major. It is true that 30fps is standard and 60fps would look awkward. There are some human eyes that notice changes up to 200fps but those are basically jet pilots, the exception not the rule. No human eye would be able to notice 2,000 fps. That is not possible. Lastly, set your camera to 240 fps and see how everything gets darker. That isn't a lie. It is a fact that high frame rates will result in darker, noiser videos because they require more light.

60 fps is not a good speed to shoot at. Especially in a sensor without IS. You will get more jitter in your video. I produce video for a living, as In it is my job and I do it daily. You dont EVER record in 60 fps unless you are capturing very fast action or are intending to slow it down. And when you record in 60 FPS, you always export it at 30 fps or 25 fps from Premier pro of Final cut, whatever you use.

All I know is that on my Note 4, I only record at 60fps 1080p and wow does it ever look better then anything I've ever recorded in 30fps.

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Photography and videography are not the same.
60fps is better than 30fps for any and all reason regardless of whatever you think you know - nobody agrees with you if they've seen 60fps video. It's day and night, and if you read anything from YT users, gamers, normal humans, they all say 60fps is better - in any scenario.
Back on point, however, still mind blown that this wasn't included with the camera.
I use Premier Pro and After Effects, and 60fps is my only export option - I wouldn't even consider lower unless it was SHOT lower, but never is. Look at my YT page. Nothing under 60fps once I had my hands on a camera capable of 60fps. I practice what I preach.
I would NEVER shoot 60 fps video with an intention to slow it down, that's stupid - that's what 120/240fps are for - those are to be slowed down.
60 fps is for normal viewing speed - anything higher is OK to slow down, but 60 down to 30 - no thanks. That's just a waste of good 60fps footage.

Any one tried snap camera on N6P yet? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2055140

nonnasmyladie said:
Why would you ever want to record 1080p videos @ 60fps? You would never be able to tell the difference from from 30fps. The human eye can only see about 42-45 fps. If you shoot a video at 60fps it is actually going to look unnatural. Most that shoot 60fps do so only because they intend to slow it down to 30fps in post production.
30fps is the standard and it is rare to shoot video at higher frame rates. In fact, shooting at 60fps would reduce your shutter speed requiring more light to get a quality video.
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I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic or not , but I can tell you 100% that a human eye can see beyond whatever you have stated. I game on a 144hz monitor , and yes I could tell and feel the difference between 30/60/144.
Back on topic , I found it very weird already when the Galaxy s6/note 5 with the fast processor not being able to record in 240fps . Also , I've noticed slow motion inconsistencies regarding the 6p's 240fps , some youtube videos look buttery smooth , some looks like some slideshow. No idea what's causing this , any thoughts?

nonnasmyladie said:
I actually studied photography and film extensively in college as it was my major. It is true that 30fps is standard and 60fps would look awkward. There are some human eyes that notice changes up to 200fps but those are basically jet pilots, the exception not the rule. No human eye would be able to notice 2,000 fps. That is not possible. Lastly, set your camera to 240 fps and see how everything gets darker. That isn't a lie. It is a fact that high frame rates will result in darker, noiser videos because they require more light.
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Don't assume what others would find awkward. Guessing a lot like it since Google allows those to see it on Youtube. Even besides that, you say you can't see it or its "awkward". Okay. Me and plenty of others like it and can see the difference. Videos are not dark looking when I record ALL my videos with my iPhone.
Sad to see Google didn't include this with this latest Nexus device.
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TRUE 4k virtual cinema VR with Z5P incoming

i was SO frustrated looking at similar threads here and around the web so i got in touch with CMOAR virtual cinema and asked them if its rendering 4k or just upscaling from 1080p.
It seems like it's just upscaled BUT since in the past they talked about the chance to have it run at TRUE 4k...they answered me and said:
we have prepared special build with 4k support (Rendering in 4k), fps are of course low but I think we will prepare build for public, because we know that many people just like us want to test it
Please send us a reminder at the end of the month
So get ready. We will FINALLY be able to see TRUE 4k. Maybe at 15fps..but that will be the best chance we had so far..in VR. I think there could be the chance to play a movie in the void theater at good fps.
but the main question i have left is...why didn't you do the same months ago?! I would have done it instantly if i had the phone!

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i was SO frustrated looking at similar threads here and around the web so i got in touch with CMOAR virtual cinema and asked them if its rendering 4k or just upscaling from 1080p.
It seems like it's just upscaled BUT since in the past they talked about the chance to have it run at TRUE 4k...they answered me and said:
we have prepared special build with 4k support (Rendering in 4k), fps are of course low but I think we will prepare build for public, because we know that many people just like us want to test it
Please send us a reminder at the end of the month
So get ready. We will FINALLY be able to see TRUE 4k. Maybe at 15fps..but that will be the best chance we had so far..in VR. I think there could be the chance to play a movie in the void theater at good fps.
but the main question i have left is...why didn't you do the same months ago?! I would have done it instantly if i had the phone!
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Is that not what I'm already doing.....?

if im not mistaken you posted this and showed that 1080p or 4k things got smaller but readability was exactly the same (reading the smallest line). Am i wrong? In that case, that's not true 4k
other than that i couldn't find in this whole forum a true list of true 4k applications. It's like looking for gold!!

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if im not mistaken you posted this and showed that 1080p or 4k things got smaller but readability was exactly the same (reading the smallest line). Am i wrong? In that case, that's not true 4k
other than that i couldn't find in this whole forum a true list of true 4k applications. It's like looking for gold!!
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Don't know what you're referring to. If you look at the resolution, it is 4k. When you watch a movie in VR, your virtual void screen is not going to be 4k, it's going to be far less. When my phone is in 4k, the virtual screen resolution is a couple hundred pixels bigger than when at 2k or 1080p.
If it renders in 4k, it's not really going to matter because you're not getting anywhere close to that in void cinema anyways? You're getting about VGA worth of a virtual screen. I think the most important factor with 4k for VR is less screen door effect, not the resolution? Then again, I just started messing with this so I'm not too knowledgeable.

i don't think it works like that..
in virtual cinema now you just have a 1080p resolution upscaled to 4k. SDE has nothing to do with the output resolution and it's going to be the same even outputting at 480p the whole screen.
Even so, putting true 4k in virtual cinema will mean having twice the detail there is now since every pixel will have a "true" color instead of a fake one (with upscaling). That will result in a greater resolution overall.
The only way to really test this out, is with their true 4k output cinema version. Now we're 95% just fooled with upscaling (and as they said 4k will have very low fps)

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i don't think it works like that..
in virtual cinema now you just have a 1080p resolution upscaled to 4k. SDE has nothing to do with the output resolution and it's going to be the same even outputting at 480p the whole screen.
Even so, putting true 4k in virtual cinema will mean having twice the detail there is now since every pixel will have a "true" color instead of a fake one (with upscaling). That will result in a greater resolution overall.
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If I'm not running AAA VR Cinema in 4K, then can you explain why my virtual cinema has a greater resolution then when running the phone at 2k or 1080p? Are you really going to notice that much more detail if you cram a 4k video into a VGA space or a 1080p one into that same space?

i guess the only way to find out would be 3 screenshots, one at each resolution from a 1080p source clip. 4k is twice as sharp as 1080p, for the same portion of screen. That means that something barely readable 1080p will be twice as sharp in 4k. The void size must be the same and 4k would actually display 2x times a 1080p image, not just 200px more

look, you posted these:
https://postimg.cc/image/nrqysn3y3/
https://postimg.cc/image/z5di3uegr/
the second is slightly higher resolution but the output is the same, resizing back the 4k to 1440p you have the same exact image...that's 100% upscaled, no true 4k happening at all, you would see a big difference going up (1440p is nowhere close 4k, it's jus 125% more than 1080p where 4k is 200% 1080p)

d3stroyah said:
look, you posted these:
https://postimg.cc/image/nrqysn3y3/
https://postimg.cc/image/z5di3uegr/
the second is slightly higher resolution but the output is the same, resizing back the 4k to 1440p you have the same exact image...that's 100% upscaled, no true 4k happening at all, you would see a big difference going up (1440p is nowhere close 4k, it's jus 125% more than 1080p where 4k is 200% 1080p)
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Dude, the function of that app is only to tell you the resolution of the virtual screen. What's within it is for reference purposes. It's not going to change.

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$ Bounty $ for native 2K and 4K

I'm creating a bounty for enabling native 2K or preferably 4K.
The resolution/dpi emulation still does nothing more than resize the xxhdpi resources (not even the xxxhdpi), so it still isn't as good quality as 2K displays on other phones.
Moreover, VR (the only real purpose for a 4K phone) is terrible. True, the screen door effect is gone, but at the cost of blurry less defined images same as a 1080p phone. Only Youtube and finally Netflix are able to use the 4K but other apps and games are unable to use the higher 2K resources and downloaded VR movies are fuzzy. Completely disappointing compared to my 2K phone. Also, with the emulated 2K or 4K, Daydream becomes tiny in the bottom center of the screen.
I believe the kernel controls the screen properties, but not sure if there was something to do with it in the ROM for this phone. While I'm sure I could figure it out with all of the easy handy guides, I don't really have time to do the research on how to do it myself. So, I'm creating this bounty.
I'll start with committing $50 to the person who releases the first stable one, but still donate to a second placer
If anyone else would like to sweeten this pot please post how much you would contribute.

I think it's a problem of native 4k apps, not the phone.
You can put it in 2,4k using adb commands, search here https://forum.xda-developers.com/xz-premium/themes/mod-change-default-resolution-to-4k-root-t3618843, but you need apps for that. I have Bobo VR Z5 and it's working perfect in 4k and in 1080p, but only without screen protector.

Inerent said:
I think it's a problem of native 4k apps, not the phone.
You can put it in 2,4k using adb commands, search here https://forum.xda-developers.com/xz-premium/themes/mod-change-default-resolution-to-4k-root-t3618843, but you need apps for that. I have Bobo VR Z5 and it's working perfect in 4k and in 1080p, but only without screen protector.
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The adb command is just emulating 4K with the lower resolution resources as said in my top post.
This is how Daydream looks in emulated 4K https://drive.google.com/open?id=1i531VadSbzzu1Or1CMMvBYez5VFi_Mkp
I'm sure without the screen door effect you may feel you're getting 4K VR, but it actually 1080p.
For example, I take 4K 360° photos. the text on distant signs is readable on my 2K phone, but not on this XZP.

Awesome! Hoping this will attract devs to look into this.

gaijin1% said:
The adb command is just emulating 4K with the lower resolution resources as said in my top post.
This is how Daydream looks in emulated 4K https://drive.google.com/open?id=1i531VadSbzzu1Or1CMMvBYez5VFi_Mkp
I'm sure without the screen door effect you may feel you're getting 4K VR, but it actually 1080p.
For example, I take 4K 360° photos. the text on distant signs is readable on my 2K phone, but not on this XZP.
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so youre saying, using the cmd commands we are not getting native 4k? and the screen should look even better ?

madshark2009 said:
so youre saying, using the cmd commands we are not getting native 4k? and the screen should look even better ?
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No, you are not. The WM size commands just emulate them. I tried it on a Z3 and it worked, lol.

iArvee said:
No, you are not. The WM size commands just emulate them. I tried it on a Z3 and it worked, lol.
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have you also noticed the 1080p in it is not as sharp as other 1080p phones?
ive seen it against the z5 and and some galaxy phones, its just not as crisp even on 4k mode using adb commands...
how can we fix this?
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gaijin1% said:
The adb command is just emulating 4K with the lower resolution resources as said in my top post.
This is how Daydream looks in emulated 4K https://drive.google.com/open?id=1i531VadSbzzu1Or1CMMvBYez5VFi_Mkp
I'm sure without the screen door effect you may feel you're getting 4K VR, but it actually 1080p.
For example, I take 4K 360° photos. the text on distant signs is readable on my 2K phone, but not on this XZP.
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link aint working

madshark2009 said:
have you also noticed the 1080p in it is not as sharp as other 1080p phones?
ive seen it against the z5 and and some galaxy phones, its just not as crisp even on 4k mode using adb commands...
how can we fix this?
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Added a screenshot to that post. Now you can see.

madshark2009 said:
have you also noticed the 1080p in it is not as sharp as other 1080p phones?
ive seen it against the z5 and and some galaxy phones, its just not as crisp even on 4k mode using adb commands...
how can we fix this?
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It's pretty sharp. It's better in emulated 2k/4k, but good enough for 1080p. At least for me.
Also just to add, I noticed that if you use GMD Gesture Control and calibrate the screen, you'll see that the app reads the screen as 4k. (Even when on stock wm size)

$50 is laughable
get 10 guys together, $500 would probably interest someone

saved-j said:
$50 is laughable
get 10 guys together, $500 would probably interest someone
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That's the point of this bounty. I asked people if the wanted to sweeten the pot and how much they'd be willing to contribute.
How much are you in for?

iArvee said:
It's pretty sharp. It's better in emulated 2k/4k, but good enough for 1080p. At least for me.
Also just to add, I noticed that if you use GMD Gesture Control and calibrate the screen, you'll see that the app reads the screen as 4k. (Even when on stock wm size)
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That app probably reads the pixel size rather than the set resolution. AIDA64 also reads as 4K the first time, but later shows 1080x1920 or whatever emulated size you set.
When doing the Daydream fix, it also changes the screen from LCD to AMOLED.

iArvee said:
It's pretty sharp. It's better in emulated 2k/4k, but good enough for 1080p. At least for me.
Also just to add, I noticed that if you use GMD Gesture Control and calibrate the screen, you'll see that the app reads the screen as 4k. (Even when on stock wm size)
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true that but even when on emulated 4k you get just as good display as 1080p, its still even not as crisp as other 1080p but cant tell difference, still with emulated 4k just to look at "enhanced" 1080p sucks!
plus you lose more battery than native 2k phones! i bought the phone because of its screen and I cant enjoy 4k at all times, or at least in the UI or any other app that I want in 4k....
im disappointed i really wish there is a fix to get native 4k...
I AM willing to throw in a 50$ as well if some one fixed this (as long as there is a root with TA backup (just in case the fix needs root to modify the kernel- I dont wanna lose DRM functions)

madshark2009 said:
true that but even when on emulated 4k you get just as good display as 1080p, its still even not as crisp as other 1080p but cant tell difference, still with emulated 4k just to look at "enhanced" 1080p sucks!
plus you lose more battery than native 2k phones! i bought the phone because of its screen and I cant enjoy 4k at all times, or at least in the UI or any other app that I want in 4k....
im disappointed i really wish there is a fix to get native 4k...
I AM willing to throw in a 50$ as well if some one fixed this (as long as there is a root with TA backup (just in case the fix needs root to modify the kernel- I dont wanna lose DRM functions)
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Excellent, and totally agree!
Now the bounty is up to $100.
Let's get more people. We can't be the only ones disappointed that Sony sold us a 4K phone *only in 2-3 apps that is actually locked at 1080p.

Could it be possible to just make other apps 4k by heavily editing them? Like the VR apps. If doing it system wide is too difficult then maybe editing apps might be easier.
I'm curious anyway, who can actually tell the difference between 1080p and 4k on this phone? You say 1080p looks better on other phones, so does the 4k look just as sharp as that 1080p? Also, how do we know Sony isn't just using the emulated 4k when it gets enabled? Not every photo in the album is 4k so how would it enable?
I did take a 1080p photo and a 4k photo and noticed a difference but I wasn't convinced. It didn't seem like a huge difference like it does against a TV/monitor at 4k. Especially on YouTube I cannot see the difference majorly when going from 1080p to 4k but can others? If 4k is difficult to make happen then maybe we could push 120hz at 1080p since it was said that the X series of devices have 120hz displays it's just disabled for some reason. The page needs translating but it shows 1080p at 120hz as an option. This was mentioned in a previous thread but I don't think anyone was interested in it. I think that this has a higher chance since this image exists.
Thats my thoughts about 4k on this device anyway. I think at this point 120hz might be a better option but that's just my opinion. 4k is great but it's only limited at the moment.
https://gazyekichi.com/2017/07/26/画面さくさく！「xperia-xz-premium」は「120hz」に対応している/

here is the thing, true that its very hard to tell the difference between 1080p and 4k on such small screen, so I took screenshots of before and after 4k mod and placed them together on my 24 inch monitor side by side and still can barely tell the difference even on huge screen which proves that its not 4 times better quality so its really fake 4k!! only time i can realize the difference is when i zoom in on both pictures and see that some details are washed out and more "pixel" looking at 1080p while on 4k mod still manages to show more details but then again, such difference in sharpness and detail shouldnt be so hard to notice since on my monitor I can easilyyy tell a difference between 1080p and 4k gaming on my VSR (virtual supper resolution) even virtually on my screen modded 4k has a lot more difference that stock 1080p
while even modded 4k on this device can barely show a difference, so might as well change that in a native way I really cant wait for a fix
PS: running 1080p on 1080p screen looks better than running 1080p on 4K screen (if screens are same size) - proven.
so down scaling the 4K screen of this device to 1080 will make it look worse than other native 1080p screen which buggs me, the least they could have done is add an option like samsung did to just adjust the quality as you wish... I hope they add that in the next update

Yes I agree 1080p on a 4k screen does look worse. On most TVs it doesn't but on my Acer predator 28" 4k monitor it is very noticeable that 1080p looks like 720p when duplicating the screen next to my 1080p monitor. The desktop does look noticeably blurrier. However, 1080p content on the 4k monitor doesn't show a huge difference so I'm not sure what that's about only playing games and the desktop look bad at 1080p. Maybe the XZ1 could have been a better option but even still know that I have the second 4k mobile device on the planet and the only 4k HDR device is still cool. It's certified to be 4k so it can't possibly be a fake 4k it has to be really 4k else Sony would be lying and with all those TV experts I don't think it wouldn't be possible for them to do real 4k on a smartphone.

The screen using the emulated 4k is razor sharp. By far sharper than any other phone I've used including the note 8. Are you sure your not just mistaking the overly unrealistic saturation of a amoled screen compared to a LCD one? I dont mean that in a sarcastic way, i genuinely dont see any comparison between the two. I havnt used the phone for any VR stuff though so can't comment on that

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The screen using the emulated 4k is razor sharp. By far sharper than any other phone I've used including the note 8. Are you sure your not just mistaking the overly unrealistic saturation of a amoled screen compared to a LCD one? I dont mean that in a sarcastic way, i genuinely dont see any comparison between the two. I havnt used the phone for any VR stuff though so can't comment on that
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you are right but im not comparing only with samsung, also with HTC and the previous version of xperia , the Z3
yes maybe on emulated 4k it has sharper screen but keep in mind that on 1080 is not as sharp as other 1080p, even on 2k it isnt only on 4k mode it is unbeatable which to add is emulated and not native
put phone on 2k battery dies so much faster than lets say samsung or HTC which both have same CPU GPU and almost same battery size, how is that? because the resolution is emulated, which forces GPU to resize source resolution of 1080p to make it in a fake way look like 4k instead of showing native 4k (which doesnt require such hard work from GPU as its showing real pixels instead of emulating fake pixels!) Which leads to less over heating and less battery consumption.
heck even on 1080p screen looks worse and still get worse battery life than other phones...
thats what bothers

RJASSI21 said:
Could it be possible to just make other apps 4k by heavily editing them? Like the VR apps. If doing it system wide is too difficult then maybe editing apps might be easier.
I'm curious anyway, who can actually tell the difference between 1080p and 4k on this phone? You say 1080p looks better on other phones, so does the 4k look just as sharp as that 1080p? Also, how do we know Sony isn't just using the emulated 4k when it gets enabled? Not every photo in the album is 4k so how would it enable?
I did take a 1080p photo and a 4k photo and noticed a difference but I wasn't convinced. It didn't seem like a huge difference like it does against a TV/monitor at 4k. Especially on YouTube I cannot see the difference majorly when going from 1080p to 4k but can others? If 4k is difficult to make happen then maybe we could push 120hz at 1080p since it was said that the X series of devices have 120hz displays it's just disabled for some reason. The page needs translating but it shows 1080p at 120hz as an option. This was mentioned in a previous thread but I don't think anyone was interested in it. I think that this has a higher chance since this image exists.
Thats my thoughts about 4k on this device anyway. I think at this point 120hz might be a better option but that's just my opinion. 4k is great but it's only limited at the moment.
https://gazyekichi.com/2017/07/26/画面さくさく！「xperia-xz-premium」は「120hz」に対応している/
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not exactly but some other phones have better 1080p than the 1080p on this device, yes text and symbols maybe just as sharp its hard to tell but im talking about pictures (for example, in instagram, facebook. youtube thumbnails etc...) I once was on 4k mode and it was very hard to tell the difference between this phone and the Z3 and even some times the z3 showed more picture details in instagram and its only 1080p...
im not complaining about the screen though, its pretty decent and with 4k mod on it looks superb, im just saying sony has put some thing in a device that is useless and im trying to figure out why...
by useless i mean sony left us no option to use such settings, why dont they add the options of 1080-120hz or 4k? naive and not emulated! this bugs me
and yes it is 4k, just like youtube you dont have to watch on 4k settings, but you can see the option is there which means it supports it.
that means even if you dont have a 4k video in your video app or album app, the option is there that means if you ever have a 4k video on there the device will play it at its maximum resolution.
phones that dont support 4k will show that the video looks as sharp as 1080 instead of real 4k