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I have rooted other devices, and I understand the benefits...but there is a bit of a pain. Once you root your device, the way I understand it, you need to wait for an OTA update to be made available via a developer here. Now that usually happens pretty quickly, so that's not the issue. However, usually when you get an update OTA, you don't have to reinstall all your apps again, set up your screens, etc. When you take an update from here, you usually do need to reinstall everything.
If I want to avoid that, and let OTAs happen as they should, is there an easy and right way for me to get Titanium Backup to restore but keep that ability? Do I unlock the bootloader and root, then unroot but leave the bootloader unlocked? It isn't clear, and there seems a lot of noise when people ask, about what you can do that would still allow OTAs. Some seem to say you can take them, others suggest you can't. I have searched, and it is confusing. I would love to know if someone really knows, or could cite a post or article that I may have missed. I know I could loose root in that process, I get that risk. I just want to understand my options.
It is, as an aside, so painful that Android has not properly dealt with backup and restore and migrating apps/data from one device to another in the OS. That seems such a gaping hole that Apple has filed, and one big reason (not always the only one) I seem to end up rooting a device right away. I suspect I would root eventually, but probably wait a bit except for this.
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RoboCuz said:
I have rooted other devices, and I understand the benefits...but there is a bit of a pain. Once you root your device, the way I understand it, you need to wait for an OTA update to be made available via a developer here. Now that usually happens pretty quickly, so that's not the issue. However, usually when you get an update OTA, you don't have to reinstall all your apps again, set up your screens, etc. When you take an update from here, you usually do need to reinstall everything.
If I want to avoid that, and let OTAs happen as they should, is there an easy and right way for me to get Titanium Backup to restore but keep that ability? Do I unlock the bootloader and root, then unroot but leave the bootloader unlocked? It isn't clear, and there seems a lot of noise when people ask, about what you can do that would still allow OTAs. Some seem to say you can take them, others suggest you can't. I have searched, and it is confusing. I would love to know if someone really knows, or could cite a post or article that I may have missed. I know I could loose root in that process, I get that risk. I just want to understand my options.
It is, as an aside, so painful that Android has not properly dealt with backup and restore and migrating apps/data from one device to another in the OS. That seems such a gaping hole that Apple has filed, and one big reason (not always the only one) I seem to end up rooting a device right away. I suspect I would root eventually, but probably wait a bit except for this.
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Why not just unroot get the OTA and reboot? It's so easy with the toolkit you could even relock and unlock at the same time if necessary
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That's a good idea...I guess I hadn't thought of that...but unlocking and relocking would wipe the device, no? If I am going to wipe the device to get the OTA, then I would just proceed through the "normal" way of waiting for someone to release the update in a ROM and flash it. I would just like, in some way, to treat this device like an appliance, and not worry about OTAs bricking my phone, or needing to reinstall everything to get the latest...I just want to start off restoring some of my apps from another device, and then (maybe) just let the updates take their course. I know I could change my mind later and start ROMing, but I just wanted to understand my options....I know I wipe the device when I unlock, so assumed that would happen each time. And I wasn't sure if I needed to unlock to JUST get root, if I am not planning on flashing ROMs. And can I just root,and then use OTA rootkeeper if necessary, and allow updates?
So I guess the questions are:
- Do I need to unlock to root?
- Once I have done what I need to use Titanium (unlock and root or just root), can I take an OTA update, or do I need to undo some or all?
- If I undo some or all, will that incur a wipe?
I think I figured this out...I found the manual for the Nexus Root Toolkit (www.wugfresh.com/dev/nexus-root-toolkit/), and that spells out a LOT of really clear information.
I think I would:
- unlock
- root and install CWM
- use Titanium, etc.
Later, if an OTA comes out I want to allow:
- probably do full CWM backup
- flash stock recovery
- install and run OTA Rootkeeper
- allow the OTA, knowing I might loose root
- reflash CWM
I think this shouldn't cause any issues. This assumes I am basically running stock, and just using root for backup/restore app stuff with Titanium and maybe Root Explorer.
Make sense?
Firstly, huge props to all the devs here for making it possible for me to continue using my Note 3 the way I would prefer! The OTA downloaded to my phone and I wanted to avoid it. Being new to the root process, I spent several days reading here before getting my courage up, but I finally did it yesterday!
SM-N900V - MJE build now rooted via Vroot
SU replaced with SuperSU
Still running my stock 4.3 as I had no issues with it (as I become more comfortable with the process, I'll try other ROMs and perhaps the kitkat NC2, but I'm too green at the moment and would need hand-holding)
Now using Titanium Backup Pro and ES File Explorer
I have a few total N00B questions ...I could not find answers to in my searches, if someone would be so kind as to help (and please don't laugh )
1) USB debugging: do I leave it on or only turn it on when I need to do some type of operation, and if the latter, how will I know when to turn it on? Are there any risks to leaving it on?2) Security: unknown sources, I unchecked again after root. Any reason to keep it checked?3) Titanium Backup: Seems very complicated, but I did manage to freeze SDM. Any specific settings I should consider?4) How secure is root once it's done, is there anything that can undo it? Anything additional I should do to protect it?Thanks so much in advance for any additional guidance, I'm loving learning here!
Welcome to the world of phone freedom - it's a whole new world once you're out from under the thumb of Big Red...!
Your questions are all excellent and I'll give you my $0.03 (inflation, you know...):
1) TiBu requires USB debugging be enabled for proper functioning. I don't know why. But if you've not got it enabled, TiBu will throw up a splash screen warning you that it's not gonna be able to do what you want it to do.
2) No reason to keep unknown sources checked. A nice new process in one of the updates (don't know whether it's a Sammy thing or a 4.x.x thing) is that it will go back to unchecked when you side load (it'll flash a warning about unknown sources in setting when you try to side load and you've not checked ok to unknown sources. When you go to settings to allow the install, it'll have as default to go back to secure, not accept from unknown sources after this initial install - works very well). So just keep it off and you'll only check it when you need to. While it's not an issue just yet, this makes sure no one can install some malware without your doing the dumb thing and saying yes to it.
3) Use TiBu to make a schedule or two. I have it renew all my backups twice weekly. It's not something you HAVE to do, but if you want to wipe and flash, you've got access to you most recent apps and settings. Be sure to be careful with TiBu though - it's powerful and with that power, you can f*** your phone up pretty badly. I recently had a schedule to wipe cache 3x/week and it ended up killing my alarms... Try to explain to your boss your late because you're a geek...
4) Root is pretty secure. You can lose it in an update but assuming you've loaded MJE 4.3 and you're happy with that, you'll never lose root unless you purposely rescind it. You'll likely not if/when you update to 4.4 either but I've heard tales of people changing ROMs or updating and losing root. It's never happened to me but stranger things have, so I guess it's possible.
Welcome to the cutting edge! It's freaking awesome up here!
You just changed your smart phone to an effing genius phone! Congrats!
"I've got a revolution behind my eyes..."
--Battle Flag
lazarus0000 said:
Welcome to the world of phone freedom - it's a whole new world once you're out from under the thumb of Big Red...!
Your questions are all excellent and I'll give you my $0.03 (inflation, you know...):
1) TiBu requires USB debugging be enabled for proper functioning. I don't know why. But if you've not got it enabled, TiBu will throw up a splash screen warning you that it's not gonna be able to do what you want it to do.
2) No reason to keep unknown sources checked. A nice new process in one of the updates (don't know whether it's a Sammy thing or a 4.x.x thing) is that it will go back to unchecked when you side load (it'll flash a warning about unknown sources in setting when you try to side load and you've not checked ok to unknown sources. When you go to settings to allow the install, it'll have as default to go back to secure, not accept from unknown sources after this initial install - works very well). So just keep it off and you'll only check it when you need to. While it's not an issue just yet, this makes sure no one can install some malware without your doing the dumb thing and saying yes to it.
3) Use TiBu to make a schedule or two. I have it renew all my backups twice weekly. It's not something you HAVE to do, but if you want to wipe and flash, you've got access to you most recent apps and settings. Be sure to be careful with TiBu though - it's powerful and with that power, you can f*** your phone up pretty badly. I recently had a schedule to wipe cache 3x/week and it ended up killing my alarms... Try to explain to your boss your late because you're a geek...
4) Root is pretty secure. You can lose it in an update but assuming you've loaded MJE 4.3 and you're happy with that, you'll never lose root unless you purposely rescind it. You'll likely not if/when you update to 4.4 either but I've heard tales of people changing ROMs or updating and losing root. It's never happened to me but stranger things have, so I guess it's possible.
Welcome to the cutting edge! It's freaking awesome up here!
You just changed your smart phone to an effing genius phone! Congrats!
"I've got a revolution behind my eyes..."
--Battle Flag
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Thank you so kindly for your excellent and thorough response! (Please forgive my rude delay in replying back, I have been slammed planning for a month long road trip)
I'm relieved to know my questions weren't silly ones; I figure if it's a question in my mind, it may help others as well. For now the only added benefit I have experienced with root is avoiding the kitkat upgrade and ridding myself of that dang nag screen, but this alone is enough to thrill me! When I return from my travels, I look forward to seeing what more this "genius phone" of mine can do!
Or do I need FlashFire?
I believe that this is the same update as the one in this post
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x-style/general/maintenance-release-dec-2016-security-t3557903
You need full unroot, stock kernel, stock recovery and no system partition modification
lukas77 said:
You need full unroot, stock kernel, stock recovery and no system partition modification
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could you tell me how I can do this? Is there a general guide?
Wow... how many times are we going to answer this question every single time an update comes out?!?!
A phone must be 100% stock to take an OTA... stock recovery, stock system partition, stock boot partition... or the update will fail.
You need to either restore your pre-root backup (you did one with TWRP, right?) or flash a factory image that is the same version or newer than you have installed. Period, those are the proper answers to how to go back to stock so you can get an OTA.
acejavelin said:
Wow... how many times are we going to answer this question every single time an update comes out?!?!
A phone must be 100% stock to take an OTA... stock recovery, stock system partition, stock boot partition... or the update will fail.
You need to either restore your pre-root backup (you did one with TWRP, right?) or flash a factory image that is the same version or newer than you have installed. Period, those are the proper answers to how to go back to stock so you can get an OTA.
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I apologize, this was my first time rooting my phone so I don't know a lot. I was able to root my phone, thanks to your thread on rooting.
I plan on using this thread by you to go back to stock.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mo...de-return-to-stock-relock-bootloader-t3489110
ThanuTK said:
I apologize, this was my first time rooting my phone so I don't know a lot. I was able to root my phone, thanks to your thread on rooting.
I plan on using this thread by you to go back to stock.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mo...de-return-to-stock-relock-bootloader-t3489110
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I hope it helps... Just remember to search around the forums or Google a bit before asking a question. I apologise if I sounded a little snappy, I had just answered some very dumb PM's that frustrated me and then this was the first open thread I saw, sorry if I was a bit abrupt.
This question has been answered a whole lot so it gets a little frustrating sometimes to see a new thread pop up for this issue. That being said and you being new to rooting, I can't stress this enough: please search and read through the threads (and know the XDA rules of course). This device has been out for a while and by now, a large majority of the questions, issues, and whatever else you may have is addressed in these forums. If you do run across anything that there is no answer for, by all means ask away.
Guys there is any chance of volte update because jio expanding their services to next one year
Can it is possible that after nought update it is possible
Suri149 said:
Guys there is any chance of volte update because jio expanding their services to next one year
Can it is possible that after nought update it is possible
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Possible? Yes, but it isn't likely and I certainly don't expect it to happen. Lenovo has shown no interest in updating the Pure/Style to support Jio, or even fixing the current VoLTE issues on supported carriers for that matter.
Hey could you also tell me how important the android security updates are? are they critical ? without it would my phone be vulnerable?
ThanuTK said:
Hey could you also tell me how important the android security updates are? are they critical ? without it would my phone be vulnerable?
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Well on this I have a pretty strong opinion, and it isn't always well liked... I work in the IT industry with networks, so security is kind of a big deal to me... but Android security updates are essentially worthless, and are only a marketing ploy to make the company look better.
For example, lets look at some major vulnerabilities that have supposedly affected MILLIONS of Android devices... Dirty Cow is a good one, I am in a group here on XDA that is trying to use this vulnerability for something, anything really, but mainly for rooting difficult devices, and in a modern device it is almost impossible because of all the other parts of Android that help keep it secure like DM-verity and SELinux, end result is no usable exploit in almost all cases, although we have some results in cases where we are in complete control of the device with hands on adb access, but even then it is very rare and device specific, not something that you could just download a random malware app and have it affect you, I would need the device in hand. Then there are the terrible ones like Quadrooter, Stagefright, and Towelroot that affected millions, no tens of millions of devices, but have you ever heard of anyone being actually effected by a real exploit of that vulnerability? Nope, me neither, because for the most part these have only been exploited in a lab and not in real life... Because in a modern (I am talking Marshmallow or maybe even Lollipop) there are other things that protect the device, application sandboxing, DM-verity, SE Linux, and IntentFirewall, are all things that would likely protect the device even IF (and that's a big IF) one of these vulnerabilities did happen to be exploited on a device.
So are security updates important... no, not from a technical perspective in real life for the average user, but I certainly wouldn't reject them if they are easy to apply. I accept and apply every single one, even though I know the chances of something happening if I don't are probably less than that of me winning the Powerball Lottery Jackpot twice in two consecutive weeks, or about the same as being stuck by lightning while being bitten by a shark.
Now, none of what I am saying applies to other updates which are often bundled with security updates, or upgrades.
My thoughts exactly on the security updates. The only "evidence" I have heard about has been a couple of individuals who do not appear to understand why an app from some unknown source or dodgy websites along with crazy permission requirements might infect their phone. I acknowledge this as a human exploit though and not on the part of Android.
If I make current twrp backup, wipe, restore original Stock unrooted twrp backup, flash Stock recovery, take ota, reflash twrp and restore only data from the backup in first step would that essentially preserve user apps/data? Otherwise I will just freeze Moto update apk and wait for 7.0 to full wipe.
Update: Nm, I guess at that point without restoring system to preserve settings I may as well just use Titanium Backup :silly:
I'm rooted and using Xposed, but got the Dec update using a completely stock TWRP backup of system and boot posted here. Afterwards I simply had to reroot and reinstall my Xposed framework in TWRP, but all my modules which were still installed worked and maintained their settings. Couple of other minor cosmetic things I had to redo, but for me this worked very well without having to fully return to stock and reinstall everything from scratch. YMMV, and also do your own TWRP backup first just in case.
roaming4gnome said:
If I make current twrp backup, wipe, restore original Stock unrooted twrp backup, flash Stock recovery, take ota, reflash twrp and restore only data from the backup in first step would that essentially preserve user apps/data? Otherwise I will just freeze Moto update apk and wait for 7.0 to full wipe.
Update: Nm, I guess at that point without restoring system to preserve settings I may as well just use Titanium Backup :silly:
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Dahenjo said:
I'm rooted and using Xposed, but got the Dec update using a completely stock TWRP backup of system and boot posted here. Afterwards I simply had to reroot and reinstall my Xposed framework in TWRP, but all my modules which were still installed worked and maintained their settings. Couple of other minor cosmetic things I had to redo, but for me this worked very well without having to fully return to stock and reinstall everything from scratch. YMMV, and also do your own TWRP backup first just in case.
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This is actually a valid way of doing it, but with so many variables to the state of your device prior to doing this the possible outcomes vary a lot.
But @Dahenjo has pretty much the proper procedure... if I was going to try it I'd do it that way... backup, restore stock, take OTA, reroot, reflash Xposed, restore user data... 99% of everything should be intact.
acejavelin said:
Well on this I have a pretty strong opinion, and it isn't always well liked... I work in the IT industry with networks, so security is kind of a big deal to me... but Android security updates are essentially worthless, and are only a marketing ploy to make the company look better.
For example, lets look at some major vulnerabilities that have supposedly affected MILLIONS of Android devices... Dirty Cow is a good one, I am in a group here on XDA that is trying to use this vulnerability for something, anything really, but mainly for rooting difficult devices, and in a modern device it is almost impossible because of all the other parts of Android that help keep it secure like DM-verity and SELinux, end result is no usable exploit in almost all cases, although we have some results in cases where we are in complete control of the device with hands on adb access, but even then it is very rare and device specific, not something that you could just download a random malware app and have it affect you, I would need the device in hand. Then there are the terrible ones like Quadrooter, Stagefright, and Towelroot that affected millions, no tens of millions of devices, but have you ever heard of anyone being actually effected by a real exploit of that vulnerability? Nope, me neither, because for the most part these have only been exploited in a lab and not in real life... Because in a modern (I am talking Marshmallow or maybe even Lollipop) there are other things that protect the device, application sandboxing, DM-verity, SE Linux, and IntentFirewall, are all things that would likely protect the device even IF (and that's a big IF) one of these vulnerabilities did happen to be exploited on a device.
So are security updates important... no, not from a technical perspective in real life for the average user, but I certainly wouldn't reject them if they are easy to apply. I accept and apply every single one, even though I know the chances of something happening if I don't are probably less than that of me winning the Powerball Lottery Jackpot twice in two consecutive weeks, or about the same as being stuck by lightning while being bitten by a shark.
Now, none of what I am saying applies to other updates which are often bundled with security updates, or upgrades.
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Real good explanation. Good balance of technological and practical
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acejavelin said:
Well on this I have a pretty strong opinion, and it isn't always well liked... I work in the IT industry with networks, so security is kind of a big deal to me... but Android security updates are essentially worthless, and are only a marketing ploy to make the company look better.
For example, lets look at some major vulnerabilities that have supposedly affected MILLIONS of Android devices... Dirty Cow is a good one, I am in a group here on XDA that is trying to use this vulnerability for something, anything really, but mainly for rooting difficult devices, and in a modern device it is almost impossible because of all the other parts of Android that help keep it secure like DM-verity and SELinux, end result is no usable exploit in almost all cases, although we have some results in cases where we are in complete control of the device with hands on adb access, but even then it is very rare and device specific, not something that you could just download a random malware app and have it affect you, I would need the device in hand. Then there are the terrible ones like Quadrooter, Stagefright, and Towelroot that affected millions, no tens of millions of devices, but have you ever heard of anyone being actually effected by a real exploit of that vulnerability? Nope, me neither, because for the most part these have only been exploited in a lab and not in real life... Because in a modern (I am talking Marshmallow or maybe even Lollipop) there are other things that protect the device, application sandboxing, DM-verity, SE Linux, and IntentFirewall, are all things that would likely protect the device even IF (and that's a big IF) one of these vulnerabilities did happen to be exploited on a device.
So are security updates important... no, not from a technical perspective in real life for the average user, but I certainly wouldn't reject them if they are easy to apply. I accept and apply every single one, even though I know the chances of something happening if I don't are probably less than that of me winning the Powerball Lottery Jackpot twice in two consecutive weeks, or about the same as being stuck by lightning while being bitten by a shark.
Now, none of what I am saying applies to other updates which are often bundled with security updates, or upgrades.
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So i recovered and now wifi is not working. From the other thread i see that others have this issue as well. What are my options now?
ThanuTK said:
So i recovered and now wifi is not working. From the other thread i see that others have this issue as well. What are my options now?
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Its a radio version issue... your radio firmware doesn't a match what the kernel wants. You need to flash the right ones. You will have tell me more details of how you recovered.
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Its a radio version issue... your radio firmware doesn't a match what the kernel wants. You need to flash the right ones. You will have tell me more details of how you recovered.
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I used XT1575 to update and then just followed the directions. Does that answer your question? if not could you please clarify your question ?
https://androidfilehost.com/?fid=745425885120703327
In the other thread i see people using MPH24.49-18-4 FIRMWARE to fix this issue, but you stated that this might cause issues in the future, so i dont know what to do. Thanks again for helping me and understanding my lack of knowledge with all of this.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mo...bootloader-t3489110/post69432451#post69432451
ThanuTK said:
I used XT1575 to update and then just followed the directions. Does that answer your question? if not could you please clarify your question ?
https://androidfilehost.com/?fid=745425885120703327
In the other thread i see people using MPH24.49-18-4 FIRMWARE to fix this issue, but you stated that this might cause issues in the future, so i dont know what to do. Thanks again for helping me and understanding my lack of knowledge with all of this.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mo...bootloader-t3489110/post69432451#post69432451
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The only difference in your links is one is a later build than the other one. Either one should work fine but if I had my choice, I might pick the first update and then use OTA to get to present. NOTE: I had to restore my September 1 backup with TWRP as the December 1 security patch broke my Bluetooth and I use Bluetooth all the time, it is too important to me to lose over a stupid security patch. I have since frozen the updater to avoid being nagged to death install the December 1 update again. When the next "real" OTA comes along, I will thaw the updater so I can take it and *hope* that the Bluetooth issue is solved. I will of course *always* make a TWRP backup prior to doing *any* update so I always have a way to back out of it in the event something is broken over the latest security patch OTA. HTH
*I know this must have been answered before, I am sorry for playing the newbie, but I couldn't find this anywhere.
I need to know exactly what is at stake for rooting my device, what would I lose access to, and what not.
I've read somewhere that you lose DRM or something like that, is that meaning I will not be able to watch Netflix download and go, or Google Play Music, etc? what does it means?
LionLorena said:
*I know this must have been answered before, I am sorry for playing the newbie, but I couldn't find this anywhere.
I need to know exactly what is at stake for rooting my device, what would I lose access to, and what not.
I've read somewhere that you lose DRM or something like that, is that meaning I will not be able to watch Netflix download and go, or Google Play Music, etc? what does it means?
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You will lose your warranty because you have to unlock your bootloader but if anything goes wrong you can always relock your bootloader and take your phone to a service center and claim your warranty they don't even check it in most cases other than that everything works fine
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prajwal2001 said:
You will lose your warranty because you have to unlock your bootloader but if anything goes wrong you can always relock your bootloader and take your phone to a service center and claim your warranty they don't even check it in most cases other than that everything works fine
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And apart from that, do I lose anything else?
Some guy said I would lose access to that extra anti theft security from Google that works kinda like iCloud, is it true?
LionLorena said:
And apart from that, do I lose anything else?
Some guy said I would lose access to that extra anti theft security from Google that works kinda like iCloud, is it true?
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Nothing else only warranty
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LionLorena said:
And apart from that, do I lose anything else?
Some guy said I would lose access to that extra anti theft security from Google that works kinda like iCloud, is it true?
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Provided you're still on the stock ROM, I don't think rooting affects your anti-theft protection (I recall it's called Factory Reset Protection?). Even if you've enabled OEM unlocking in Developer Options, someone resetting your phone would still need your Google credentials to use the device. Also, if you're logged into your device at the time, you could still locate and wipe your phone via Android Device Manager.
Of course, with an unlocked bootloader and custom recovery (as is generally required to root), someone could still flash a custom ROM and bypass those protections and, also, could in theory still access your data. (but only if they have physical access to your device)
As for DRM, I'm not sure but some apps have been/are now detecting the presence of root and will refuse to work (Snapchat, Pokemon Go, some banking apps come to mind) or for other devices, Android Pay and other security dependent features may not work. I recall magisk, a root manager, does have the ability to mask root from those apps, as well as pass SafetyNet, which is Google's security/anti-tamper detection. Your experience may vary. However, some apps require root access to function properly (e.g. kernel managers, battery monitors) just as to how they function, it's entirely up to you if you see yourself using those rooted apps on a regular enough basis. The root managers available (e.g. SuperSU, magisk) are supported and work well, just ensure you're using the latest versions, and if you're on stock Nougat, to flash a custom kernel prior to rooting (since the stock kernel won't permit modifications, if I recall).
Overall, in my view, you're trading security and warranty (as mentioned by prajwal2001) for convenience/flexibility by rooting - the flexibility alone to flash what you wish is what interested me in rooting my device, if anyone else has any other comments, feel free to add.
echo92 said:
Provided you're still on the stock ROM, rooting shouldn't disable your anti-theft protection (which I recall is Factory Reset Protection). Even if you've enabled OEM unlocking in Developer Options, someone resetting your phone would still need your Google credentials to use the device. Of course, with an unlocked bootloader and custom recovery (as is generally required to root), someone could still flash a custom ROM and bypass those protections and, also, could in theory still access your data. (but only if they have physical access to your device)
As for DRM, I'm not sure but some apps have been/are now detecting the presence of root and will refuse to work (Snapchat, Pokemon Go, some banking apps come to mind) or for other devices, Android Pay and other security dependent features may not work. I recall magisk, a root manager, does have the ability to mask root from those apps, as well as pass SafetyNet, which is Google's security/anti-tamper detection. Your experience may vary. However, some apps require root access to function properly (e.g. kernel managers, battery monitors) just as to how they function, it's entirely up to you if you see yourself using those rooted apps on a regular enough basis. The root managers available (e.g. SuperSU, magisk) are supported and work well, just ensure you're using the latest versions, and if you're on stock Nougat, to flash a custom kernel prior to rooting (since the stock kernel won't permit modifications, if I recall).
Overall, in my view, you're trading security and warranty (as mentioned by prajwal2001) for convenience/flexibility by rooting - the flexibility alone to flash what you wish is what interested me in rooting my device, if anyone else has any other comments, feel free to add.
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Hm I see.
That's a pretty big downside
I guess I will pass root for now, I was only wanting to do to use the ADB via USB OTG and boot disk creator.
Thanks everyone for all the information!
LionLorena said:
Hm I see.
That's a pretty big downside
I guess I will pass root for now, I was only wanting to do to use the ADB via USB OTG and boot disk creator.
Thanks everyone for all the information!
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That's fair enough - there's nothing stopping you from rooting your device, then performing what you need, before unrooting your device. (Just curious, does what you want to do require root, or are there other non-root methods?)
However, this will still involve you voiding your warranty (via unlocking your bootloader), and may also involve re-flashing your stock firmware to remove the custom recovery (and relock your bootloader, if you wish, though this won't recover your warranty, sadly). Honestly though, it's your device, up to you what you wish to do
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That's fair enough - there's nothing stopping you from rooting your device, then performing what you need, before unrooting your device. (Just curious, does what you want to do require root, or are there other non-root methods?)
However, this will still involve you voiding your warranty (via unlocking your bootloader), and may also involve re-flashing your stock firmware to remove the custom recovery (and relock your bootloader, if you wish, though this won't recover your warranty, sadly). Honestly though, it's your device, up to you what you wish to do
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Yeah the warranty is not on top of my mind right now, my concern are the other issues it may cause, such apps not working, and security issues.
Like, I had a Sony Xperia Play back some years and past a week I root it, and past 2 weeks it was on Cyanogenmod.
I had Bricked that device countless times and had somehow fixed, I had also replaced several internal components as well, but back then there were no DRM stuff and all, so the rooting part is not what I fear, is just this new wave of side effects regarding it.
LionLorena said:
Yeah the warranty is not on top of my mind right now, my concern are the other issues it may cause, such apps not working, and security issues.
Like, I had a Sony Xperia Play back some years and past a week I root it, and past 2 weeks it was on Cyanogenmod.
I had Bricked that device countless times and had somehow fixed, I had also replaced several internal components as well, but back then there were no DRM stuff and all, so the rooting part is not what I fear, is just this new wave of side effects regarding it.
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There is no DRM to lose on Motorola devices. On Sony devices, what you said is applicable. As for apps that refuse to work with root access, you can simply switch to Magisk, and enabled hiding root access from all apps.
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There is no DRM to lose on Motorola devices. On Sony devices, what you said is applicable. As for apps that refuse to work with root access, you can simply switch to Magisk, and enabled hiding root access from all apps.
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That's motivating.
And I've found a topic that says I don't even need to flash the custom recovery, I can simply hot boot it and do my stuff and keep the stock recovery.
LionLorena said:
That's motivating.
And I've found a topic that says I don't even need to flash the custom recovery, I can simply hot boot it and do my stuff and keep the stock recovery.
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There's no real point of not changing the stock recovery, unless you are planning to stick with a rooted stock ROM. If you keep the stock recovery, you'll be able to enable OTA stock updates.
From a security standpoint, if your device is lost, it becomes much easier for an attacker to breach your system and much harder for you to protect it. However, according to most security principles, once your device is lost from you, it's no longer your device, anyway.
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There's no real point of not changing the stock recovery, unless you are planning to stick with a rooted stock ROM. If you keep the stock recovery, you'll be able to enable OTA stock updates.
From a security standpoint, if your device is lost, it becomes much easier for an attacker to breach your system and much harder for you to protect it. However, according to most security principles, once your device is lost from you, it's no longer your device, anyway.
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The OTA updates are one of the reasons, yes.
And yes, from that point of view you are right.
I'm currently using some tracking solutions such as Cerberus, and disabling some features while the phone screen is locked, such as quick settings, and power off menu.
Also the extra layer of security imposed by Google version of iCloud, passes me some sense of safety.
The main thing that bothers me related to custom recovery is that the attacker can replace my software entirely.
While with stock I can have some time to recover the device using the tactics. Enabled.
And root could potentially aid me in that, I could add Cerberus to /system and etc.
You lose security. Every person with knowledge can access to your phone through TWRP, use the File Manager to erase files.key (this erases your gesture or PIN of lock screen) and can see all your info. If you unlock bootloader, every person can flash TWRP and do this steps.
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You lose security. Every person with knowledge can access to your phone through TWRP, use the File Manager to erase files.key (this erases your gesture or PIN of lock screen) and can see all your info. If you unlock bootloader, every person can flash TWRP and do this steps.
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thats why i'm thinking 3 times before doing it.
Hello Guys,
I'm about to buy the OnePlus 8 Pro, as I haven't had a root-able phone for a few years and greatly miss it. In choosing the phone to buy, and to save you guys time answering repeated questions, I of course have read many threads related to rooting, which versions can me rooted, issues with rooting, etc. Mind you most of my rooting was with HTC and I never once had an issue.
I'll be buying the US market unlocked variant, rooting it, and I'll likely use Magisk during the process.
1. Do we actually need to flash a bootloader, or can I just load it with the bootloader without flashing to maintain the stock bootloader?
2. What things are broken from root? I'm assuming the google pay features will break, but will I not be able to use the fingerprint scanner? Or is it a hit and miss, intermittent problem for some and not others? This is the question that seems to lack a consolidated, concise explanation.
3. Is it better to use the international version, or the US version, or does it matter?
I rarely use custom roms, but when I do, I prefer to run pure Android. I prefer speed over animations. When I don't, I remove every app I can without breaking the phone. How friendly is this phone to trial and error, and re-flashing to start over while I'm learning?
Camboozle said:
Hello Guys,
I'm about to buy the OnePlus 8 Pro, as I haven't had a root-able phone for a few years and greatly miss it. In choosing the phone to buy, and to save you guys time answering repeated questions, I of course have read many threads related to rooting, which versions can me rooted, issues with rooting, etc. Mind you most of my rooting was with HTC and I never once had an issue.
I'll be buying the US market unlocked variant, rooting it, and I'll likely use Magisk during the process.
1. Do we actually need to flash a bootloader, or can I just load it with the bootloader without flashing to maintain the stock bootloader?
2. What things are broken from root? I'm assuming the google pay features will break, but will I not be able to use the fingerprint scanner? Or is it a hit and miss, intermittent problem for some and not others? This is the question that seems to lack a consolidated, concise explanation.
3. Is it better to use the international version, or the US version, or does it matter?
I rarely use custom roms, but when I do, I prefer to run pure Android. I prefer speed over animations. When I don't, I remove every app I can without breaking the phone. How friendly is this phone to trial and error, and re-flashing to start over while I'm learning?
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Previous HTC rooter here. Had the 10, then the 12+
This phone is slightly more root friendly. And no, there is no custom bootloader. You will not need to go and get a token from a website to unlock the bootloader. As far I can tell at a glance, S-OFF isn't a thing.
If you set up magisk properly, google pay will work (for now). I use it every other day. Widevine certification will default to L3, so you can't root and keep that in L1 like you could with HTC. I don't get it myself.
Do: backup persist partition (and modem1 and modem2 I guess? Someone recommended it) For sure. While rare, and particularly an issue with magisk canary, if you want any chance of the fingerprint sensor to last, backup the persist partition. Otherwise, you're technically sitting on a ticking time bomb and it can pop at any time and no longer function. Haven't heard anything too recent, but better safe than sorry. Only other solution is RMA.
HTC phones, least the ones I used, used LCD panels. I love LCD, because it seems more protection from burn in and screen retention, and less issues for screen problems. That said, this is a newer screen and amazing, just not as amazing I feel as an LCD screen (although this is a better screen, via tech upgrades and more). Keep in mind there are rampant reports of green tint or burn in right away, black crush, and other screen issues. If you do go with the phone, I recommend giving that a thorough once over.
Customer service is in par to that famous thing of kids going, "Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?" Type stuff. Do not expect anything from customer service outside what directly is stated to contact them (such as RMAs), and then be prepared to fight tooth an nail for it, and prepare for any additives that arise from it. I would have better odds of customer service with comcast (as weird it sounds) than with oneplus' customer service. They will not honor anything outside what you can do on the website yourself.
What I mean by that, is if you have a coupon for a 10 dollars off accessories, and you accidentally "place" an order and forgot something, and want to add it again? Either wait for your current order to expire to then allow for the coupon, or you're SOL. And to add: By far, the oneplus 8 launch was the worst I ever experienced from any industry, especially as it comes to ordering it. So if you stay, keep that in mind.
A lot of people recommend to just forgo the warranty and get your own via other means (my renters insurance provides it for like, 6 bucks a year) as it's literally the same boat as customer service, with reports of people being charged erroneously like, 500 dollars for some incompency from the warehouse.
If you're in the US the global model I believe is the one you want. UK, INDIA, and CHINA have their own model. While it can be possible to use these, keep that in mind that you most likely want the phone to be compatible with the bands of your country. I believe the india / chinese model is the only one who now has the photochrom filter disabled, thus if you do go with one of these, you'll want to either install a magisk rom, or fix it yourself with one of the many guides available.
You can convert the phone to different models more easily. Such as chinese to global, as compared to HTC phones. You don't need to do superCID like you did or similar I believe, and it's very tolerant of that. In fact, the first oneplus phone even shipped with CyanogenMod installed, now more or less known as lineageOS. This device is very customizable friendly. In fact, some roms will even allow you to uninstall practically anything you want.
Speed is the name of the game, and if you like fast devices, this will blow you out of the water most likely. I personally run .5 on all animation speeds myself.
And of course, if there is issues and you really messed stuff up, you can use the MSM tool or whatever it is to correct the issue. (Again, keep that persist backup in case)
The device will detect if you're rooted and installed either the small OTA package, or the full package in case. I used to always have TWRP installed, but I don't even use it anymore myself so much. The full package can flash through the system update too, btw. Only upon unlocking the bootloader will the data partition be wiped that one time.
There is the hole punch camera, and that was a significant selling feature for me for HTC, but... I figured I'd deal with it this once. Keep that in mind if this feature bugs you as it does me.
Ok, this was my tidbit of info. If you need more clarification or something, ask. Otherwise, enjoy.
Great response, thank you!!! I think it'll be fun to pay with. But really, worse customer service than COMCAST!!! Wow. I guess you get the device and nothing more. Hard to justify 800 bones and no customer service though.
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This phone is slightly more root friendly. And no, there is no custom bootloader. You will not need to go and get a token from a website to unlock the bootloader. As far I can tell at a glance, S-OFF isn't a thing.
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What do you mean by "need to go and get a token from a website"?
Can't I just simply unlock the bootloader like on my Oneplus 5t?
I am getting my 8Pro this week and plan to install the global ROM instead of the Chinese ROM it will come with, then root it and finally install TWRP.
Do I need to install TWRP to both slots? What are those "slots" anyway? My old phone was a 5t so it had no "slots" .
The instructions I have read are a bit confusing, seems like it is more difficult to install TWRP than it was on the 5t.
Thanks.
Camboozle said:
Hello Guys,
I'm about to buy the OnePlus 8 Pro, as I haven't had a root-able phone for a few years and greatly miss it. In choosing the phone to buy, and to save you guys time answering repeated questions, I of course have read many threads related to rooting, which versions can me rooted, issues with rooting, etc. Mind you most of my rooting was with HTC and I never once had an issue.
I'll be buying the US market unlocked variant, rooting it, and I'll likely use Magisk during the process.
1. Do we actually need to flash a bootloader, or can I just load it with the bootloader without flashing to maintain the stock bootloader?
2. What things are broken from root? I'm assuming the google pay features will break, but will I not be able to use the fingerprint scanner? Or is it a hit and miss, intermittent problem for some and not others? This is the question that seems to lack a consolidated, concise explanation.
3. Is it better to use the international version, or the US version, or does it matter?
I rarely use custom roms, but when I do, I prefer to run pure Android. I prefer speed over animations. When I don't, I remove every app I can without breaking the phone. How friendly is this phone to trial and error, and re-flashing to start over while I'm learning?
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Docomoco said:
What do you mean by "need to go and get a token from a website"?
Can't I just simply unlock the bootloader like on my Oneplus 5t?
I am getting my 8Pro this week and plan to install the global ROM instead of the Chinese ROM it will come with, then root it and finally install TWRP.
Do I need to install TWRP to both slots? What are those "slots" anyway? My old phone was a 5t so it had no "slots" .
The instructions I have read are a bit confusing, seems like it is more difficult to install TWRP than it was on the 5t.
Thanks.
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Yes, you can. So HTC was the exact process, except you had to go to HTC dev, upload a string that was copied from bootloader, it would then create a token file that only your device could utilize and when you pushed it back to the device, that unlocked the bootloader. Oneplus, you just tell it you wanna unlock the bootloader and done. Since they are coming from HTC, why I said that.
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Yes, you can. So HTC was the exact process, except you had to go to HTC dev, upload a string that was copied from bootloader, it would then create a token file that only your device could utilize and when you pushed it back to the device, that unlocked the bootloader. Oneplus, you just tell it you wanna unlock the bootloader and done. Since they are coming from HTC, why I said that.
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Thanks.
How about installing TWRP? Would you have any suggestions as to how to go about it?
Also, I read that I better wipe /data before installing anther ROM.
However it seems TWRP still can't format partitions which means I can't wipe data.
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Thanks.
How about installing TWRP? Would you have any suggestions as to how to go about it?
Also, I read that I better wipe /data before installing anther ROM.
However it seems TWRP still can't format partitions which means I can't wipe data.
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Think mostly it's boot, but there is a way to install it if you must. I personally haven't touched twrp since moving to oneplus. If you're moving between AOSP or oxygen or hydrogen, yes, wipe data. This can be done via factory reset, without need of twrp. Now, don't quote me too closely for AOSP, but as oxygen or hydrogen builds go (Assuming magisk) you don't need to wipe data so much. I'd recommend consulting the individual device threads.
Thanks, will do.
Is there no way to retain L1? I've come from a Mi 9T where as long as your persist wasn't corrupted, L1 was fine. Do oneplus store the widevine certs in the boot partition or something strange?