We know that Samsung has signed a multi-year contract with Wolfson, and that past phones, such as the Note 2, have used Wolfson DAC's. Now, all we know about the audio on the Note 3 is that it will be "hi-def" being 24bit and 192khz. From what I've read, this spec is for both versions of the Note 3. Now, do you all think that both the Snapdragon 800 version and the Exynos 5420 version will have a Wolfson DAC? Or will the 800 have crappy integrated qualcomm audio as the S3 did?
I've tried contacting both Samsung and Wolfson, but to no avail. As soon as any information is available on the subject, I'll update this post.
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We know that Samsung has signed a multi-year contract with Wolfson, and that past phones, such as the Note 2, have used Wolfson DAC's. Now, all we know about the audio on the Note 3 is that it will be "hi-def" being 24bit and 192khz. From what I've read, this spec is for both versions of the Note 3. Now, do you all think that both the Snapdragon 800 version and the Exynos 5420 version will have a Wolfson DAC? Or will the 800 have crappy integrated qualcomm audio as the S3 did?
I've tried contacting both Samsung and Wolfson, but to no avail. As soon as any information is available on the subject, I'll update this post.
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S800 has a the Qualcomm DAC at least from my experience with the xperia z ultra, but I might be wrong .
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hiya,
from what iv heard so far the s800 version will have the qualcom chip. I tried getting in contact with the editors from engadget who were at IFA 2013 to ask this very question &got zilch. iv tried tweeting Samsung & Sony about the audio DACs in the zperia z1 &the galaxy note 3 &u guessed it..... nothing. the person I have spoken to is a recognised Dev here at xda &he says that the sound for the note 3 will be as good as u can get, but probably for the exynos version.
I hope this helps
Guys, I have a question developed since the release of S800 devices i.e., Ultra, S4 LTE-A (and coming I9506), G2 etc which will have the audio solution that Qualcomm provides. GSMArena already praised S600 (S4 I9505) audio quality. And since the S800 is a faster and improved version of slapdragon devices I think slapdragon does not seat idle. I mean they also continue to improve their audio part. That said, should not be the difference between exynos 5 octa and a slapdragon s4/note 3 minimal?
I dont get any much response from LTE-A owners.
It is not like crappy yamaha DAC against Exynos powered Wolfson chips.
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Guys, I have a question developed since the release of S800 devices i.e., Ultra, S4 LTE-A (and coming I9506), G2 etc which will have the audio solution that Qualcomm provides. GSMArena already praised S600 (S4 I9505) audio quality. And since the S800 is a faster and improved version of slapdragon devices I think slapdragon does not seat idle. I mean they also continue to improve their audio part. That said, should not be the difference between exynos 5 octa and a slapdragon s4/note 3 minimal?
I dont get any much response from LTE-A owners.
It is not like crappy yamaha DAC against Exynos powered Wolfson chips.
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Well, it should still support that "hifi" audio, so it can't be that bad. Plus, at E3 Qualcomm was showing off the audio of the SD800 which sounded pretty damn impressive to me at the time. I don't doubt that the audio quality will be good, but I'm worried that I won't be able to use audio mods like voodoo or viper4android.
wiimonkey9 said:
We know that Samsung has signed a multi-year contract with Wolfson, and that past phones, such as the Note 2, have used Wolfson DAC's. Now, all we know about the audio on the Note 3 is that it will be "hi-def" being 24bit and 192khz. From what I've read, this spec is for both versions of the Note 3. Now, do you all think that both the Snapdragon 800 version and the Exynos 5420 version will have a Wolfson DAC? Or will the 800 have crappy integrated qualcomm audio as the S3 did?
I've tried contacting both Samsung and Wolfson, but to no avail. As soon as any information is available on the subject, I'll update this post.
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Whatever... all that awesome audio quality will go to waste if the phone has a crappy speaker on the back, like old Note 2.
I'm so spoiled by my Nexus 10 front facing stereo speakers.
rodrigorajao said:
Whatever... all that awesome audio quality will go to waste if the phone has a crappy speaker on the back, like old Note 2.
I'm so spoiled by my Nexus 10 front facing stereo speakers.
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The speaker is on the bottom for the Note 3. But, ummm.... When people talk about audio quality, they are talking about it with headphones. Nobody expects speakers to sound like a 7.1 surround sound system on a phone.
rodrigorajao said:
Whatever... all that awesome audio quality will go to waste if the phone has a crappy speaker on the back, like old Note 2.
I'm so spoiled by my Nexus 10 front facing stereo speakers.
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LOL! Audio quality and phone/ tablet/laptop speakers! Ever heard quality stereo set up?
you know what guys.... I'm tired of all this audio chip crap, at IFA 2013 it was all about oooh display this &wow camera that, yet the bigwigs just don't bother with discussing audio. I don't know why they don't get that the reason why apple make millions on the iphone every year is because they do their audio quite well across the whole range. hell, I'd get an iPhone if it wasn't for wretched iTunes. its purely logical to assume that people will use the one item they have pretty much ALL the time as a music player rather than a video player (software permitting) isn't it? I mean who cares if you've got a 5 inch screen that can display 1080p? really? you'd have to have 21/20 vision to pick up all the tiny details anyway. but sound, that's different, different phones, even by the same company or even in the same product line seem to be miles apart in terms of audio quality. its ridiculous. &I, like a lame ass, have spent the last week trying to figure out what audio capabilities the note 3 has. more fool me. I might as well buy a decent USB DAC, connect it to my phone &let that handle all the audio. these companies are taking the mick.....
I have not listen to music on my phone since I've upgraded to the GN1.
I'm always paranoid that the power will run out on me before I get home since I listen to quite a lot of music when I'm out.
So I'm using a sansa + portable amp atm, and it's great!
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you know what guys.... I'm tired of all this audio chip crap, at IFA 2013 it was all about oooh display this &wow camera that, yet the bigwigs just don't bother with discussing audio. I don't know why they don't get that the reason why apple make millions on the iphone every year is because they do their audio quite well across the whole range. hell, I'd get an iPhone if it wasn't for wretched iTunes. its purely logical to assume that people will use the one item they have pretty much ALL the time as a music player rather than a video player (software permitting) isn't it? I mean who cares if you've got a 5 inch screen that can display 1080p? really? you'd have to have 21/20 vision to pick up all the tiny details anyway. but sound, that's different, different phones, even by the same company or even in the same product line seem to be miles apart in terms of audio quality. its ridiculous. &I, like a lame ass, have spent the last week trying to figure out what audio capabilities the note 3 has. more fool me. I might as well buy a decent USB DAC, connect it to my phone &let that handle all the audio. these companies are taking the mick.....
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If a phone is equipped with the Wolfson DAC and powered by voodoo sound and /or other tweaks, you will get one of the best sound quality, a PORTABLE device can have, including standalone portable music players .
That's what I got from my Galaxy S1 and Note 2 devices..
That could be a reason for a user to go for the exynos version of the Note3 instead of Snapdragon's...that's all
When I decide to finally purchase the Note 3, I will first take my headsets to a showroom and compare the Note 3's sound against my GNote2 among other things
Not being in a hurry to purchase yet another very expensive gadget, is a good thing ...
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If a phone is equipped with the Wolfson DAC and powered by voodoo sound and /or other tweaks, you will get one of the best sound quality, a PORTABLE device can have, including standalone portable music players .
That's what I got from my Galaxy S1 and Note 2 devices..
That could be a reason for a user to go for the exynos version of the Note3 instead of Snapdragon's...that's all
When I decide to finally purchase the Note 3, I will first take my headsets to a showroom and compare the Note 3's sound against my GNote2 among other things
Not being in a hurry to purchase yet another very expensive gadget, is a good thing ...
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agreed Mr beto. I was on a serious rant that day lol. iv decided to bide my time. any phone company would be all too happy to sign me to yet another contract for another 2 years. I think I might just wait until my good old nexus one completely gives up before I use another phone. the isn't actually too bad with viper4audio lol. I don't actually think the exynos one will be available on any carrier on my country, as its only 3g enabled as far as I'm aware? the snapdragon one is lte enabled which is what the great communication gods of the united kingdom are deciding to push as hard as they can. I don't think I could afford to buy it outright. ~£700 is alot of money.... thank you for your advise anyway.
No bad choice.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_i9500_vs_i9505-review-930p5.php
This what what GSMArena said in their latest preview of the Note 2, with their audio testing as well:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_3_preview-review-986p5.php
The Samsung Galaxy Note 3 showed exceptionally clean audio output in our audio quality test. The phablet posted some of the best scores we have seen in both parts of the test and garnished them with decent volume levels. It's not the loudest we have seen, but it's loud enough for 99% of the occasions.
Impressively, there's virtually no distortion when you plug in a pair of headphones. Except for the minor bump in stereo crosstalk the output is barely affected.
And here go the results so you can see for yourselves.
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Hard to believe the DAC of the Snapdragon model can match the Wolfson one
I prefer to wait and see what Supercurio will say about it and then I will be doing my own comparisons at the showrooms.
I hope it will get close...
Here is Holland it will be much easier to get the S800.
If I decide to go for the Exynos, I will probably need to make a short trip to Germany...
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wow, if what gsmarena say is correct then Mr Barry is indeed correct..... well that means audio in all upcoming Snapdragon phones should be about on par with wolfson audio chips?..... I.e the audio in snapdragon socs should in theory get.even better? jeez, snapdragon is really pulling out all the stops..... huzzah! its about f****** time!
However.....
There is a chance the S800 will carry the Wolfson
Just found this info:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/678952/samsung-galaxy-note-3-24-bit-192khz/30#post_9816900
it looks like there may be hope yet. I'm sorry for asking but who is supercurio? I tried looking for info but I'm finding only voodoo stuff. is he like doomlord of the xperias? anyhoo, if anyone is interested I went to my local three store today to ask about the note 3. the advisor there said it should be available on three in the uk from 25th September. on a 2 year "the one plan" contract it would be £37 per month with £100 up front, I'm guessing that's for the 32gb note 3. time to raid the ol' piggy bank guys!
I hate to break it to you guys, but just having a Wolfson does nothing whatsoever to ensure high quality sound. Stated differently: having a Wolfson DAC rather than the Qualcomm DAC does not in and of itself mean one variant of the Note 3 will sound better than the other.
Because of the original Galaxy S and Voodoo Sound, Wolfson have a totally irrational following amongst Android users. Don't get me wrong, Wolfson make great DACs, but the DAC in a device is only part of the equation - how it is implemented is also really important. Case in point is the LG 2x Vs the Galaxy S. Both have the same DAC, only even with Voodoo Sound the Galaxy S has incomparably better sound quality (as measured and heard by Supercurio). Why? Implementation. There are lots of elements that go into implementing a DAC well - RF shielding from other components (the 2x has horrible CPU noise that intrudes all over the sound), how the power supply to the DAC is governed, the output impedance of the device (which is determined by more than the DAC alone, output impedance was the main problem with the Yamaha DAC'd S2 - it was 10ohm which meant unless your headphones/earphones had an input impedance of at least 80ohms the mismatch caused wonky frequency responses, big problem given virtually all IEMs have an input impedance in the 16-50 range), and what the software layer does with sound (the Wolfson-packing S4 Octa upsamples everything to 48KHz, which negatively impacts fidelity). There are probably lots of other things I'm not aware of that have a bearing that are external to a devices DAC.
That's another reason I would never pre-order an expensive device, besides trying avoiding those abusive pre-order prices :
I like to take my time and do my own comparison tests before buying anything, disregard all that technical mambo-jambo and expert reviews.
All those sellers of the showrooms I visit, are already used with me, bringing my headsets and playing hours with different devices and comparing them.
It's fun anyway, and in the meantime, the amazing sound of my Wolfson/Voodoo/MegaBass Beats powered GNote2 will do just fine....
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Hi!
I'm looking to upgrade from my ancient LG G2, and since I'm listening to music a lot (!), I am looking for a phone that could also be an upgrade in terms of audio quality. Other than that, I'm looking for 5.5 inch QHD screen, 3k+ ma/h battery, expandable storage.
Should I go ahead and buy the Edge, or would I be better off waiting for the LG V20, which is rumored to have superior audio quality?
P.S, I'm listening to MP3 files through my Beyerdynamic DX i30.
Thanks in advance!
V3tz said:
Hi!
I'm looking to upgrade from my ancient LG G2, and since I'm listening to music a lot (!), I am looking for a phone that could also be an upgrade in terms of audio quality. Other than that, I'm looking for 5.5 inch QHD screen, 3k+ ma/h battery, expandable storage.
Should I go ahead and buy the Edge, or would I be better off waiting for the LG V20, which is rumored to have superior audio quality?
P.S, I'm listening to MP3 files through my Beyerdynamic DX i30.
Thanks in advance!
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The S7 Exynos has a pretty good DAC. The Snapdragon version, not so much.
GSMArena tested the audio output of the S7 Edge and turned out pretty neat.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s7_edge-review-1409p8.php
They tested the Exynos variant (European site).
:confused...I think the audio could be better. If it could put 2 speakers in the front like the HTC would be more ideal
I previously owned HTC m7 with stereo speakers. The Samsung s7 is mono and barley ok. Use an external Bluetooth speaker work very well.
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Its not very good, very quiet in my opinion, it's a nightmare when trying to use it as a satnav
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Great with dual speaker mod
Use bt like jabra. Sound better. But not from s7 edge.
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It's "eh". Really nothing special. Not bad, but it definitely doesn't stand out. I would hold off and wait for the V20 if that's your main focus with a device.
S7 Edge has a a wolfson DAC (Exynos). Its good, but its not HTC 10 or Axon 7 good.
Just flash the soundmod and use "viper4android" and you will have a georgeous sound!
I am completely satisfied with the sound. Go for it.
I found several spec sheets that claim differently.
I understand that the SNAPDRAGON QUALCOMM Model supports Qualcomm Aptx-HD.
And Quickcharge qualcomm 3.0
that SM-G950F i dont know if supports.
nobody?
nobody?
I don't know for sure but what notice 2 days I'm having the Exynos variant is that sound quality while using my LG Tone Platinum Bluetooth stereo is better with Galaxy S8 compared to my Axon 7.
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there is a definite difference between using my aptx capable $15 bluetooth headphones vs using the supplied "$99" headphones that sound like complete crap compared to the cheap bluetooth. I'm using the exynos so im guessing something is working right.
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there is a definite difference between using my aptx capable $15 bluetooth headphones vs using the supplied "$99" headphones that sound like complete crap compared to the cheap bluetooth. I'm using the exynos so im guessing something is working right.
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Try wearing the stock / AKG headphones upside down, with the cable facing up and going behind your ear - it locks into your ear canal and boosts bass and increases isolation
Hi all
I'm a new user and I just want an answer for a simple question
I've done some research to find out if the LG v20 support apt x HD but I got confusing answers
I'm planning to buy an LG v20 if it does support apt x HD as it's a major buying point for me
On apt x website the v20 is listed under apt x HD list but in the description they say it supports apt x only!!
On gsmarena they in the phone spec it's mentioned that it support apt x too only and and not apt x HD
Can anyone confirm with evidence if possible please weather this phone support apt x HD or not?
Because I'm planningto get the g5 although it's much older but does support apt x HD
Thank you all in advance for you're inputs.
I have the LG TONE PLATINUM. I got this specifically for it's APTX-HD support. When connected, my V20 show a pop up for aptx-hd. To my ears, when comparing it to the my 2 samsung headsets (the level pro's) there is definitely a difference between aptx and aptx-hd using matching devices. The LG marketing department is staffed with a bunch of retarded chimps who couldn't describe a banana if it was stuffed up their nose. Their engineers are breathtakingly awesome.
This phone is a music junkies wet dream. Get a set of wired, high impedance headphones to really give the DAC to chance to connect to your music. It will blow your mind. It has been compared to DAP's costing 4x times as much,
Thanks a lot for you're reply ?
Me too I'm planning to buy the tone platinum especially for its apt x HD support
And to get a Sony xba-z5 as my wired
But I don't think it's impedance is high
What do you think?
What is their ohms? Needs to be 50 or higher. V20 really does shine either higher impedance but is absolutely no slouch. Need to get off my ass and sell my Kids labs Cd5 already. And tbh, I haven't been impressed with anything wireless apt x or not. Still haven't tried apt x HD and probably won't until I get an itch for something new. The best wireless accessory I had was some Sony Bluetooth receiver whose OLED screen went bad. Was still usable, but hard. It is lost in junk somewhere.
With the V20 in your pocket or at arm's reach all day I'd skip the wireless unless you need it for a little extra mobility and loss of wires and splurge a little more on better headphones. 90% of the time wires are fine by me. Nothing wireless has come out that says I gotta get it.
I've been impressed with aptx so far. The convenience of wireless is great and obviously it won't compare against a high impedance wired device but it sounds night and day better than stuff I've heard on other devices that don't have aptx.
Thank you all for you're replies
yes when I heard the apt x first time it was a huge difference from my previous headsets
That's why I wanted to go further with the apt x HD for even better sound quality
I have a v20 rooted with viper4android and got some shure se535 Ltd in ear my monitors and a lg tone platinum "the only ones in the world at the time that supported aptx HD. It did help with mid range and highs clarity but the build quality was a joke, no base! I just got some shure se846-cl item's and the quality is amazing with rooted v4a v20. I found those for $700 online, quit wasting money on $200 junkers where the cables go bad within a year, save ur pennies and get some quality that could last if you take care of them. Harmon Kardon made the tone platinum for lg btw. I wasn't impressed.
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Headfi is a good website for research, trust me don't waste your money, go with a brand like shure or sennheiser or something like that, i bought the tones for work, but looking back at all the $100-$200 headphones I've spent money on and replaced recently it aint worth trying to save a buck. Treat yourself to something mind blowing. I would suggest shure se 315 or 425s. Or sennheiser iE 80 or they have a new aptx hd-1s that are way better then the tone platinums. I don't think they are aptx-hd but ithey hd don't make a poor quality headphone pump out bass or dynamic range. Trying to help you out, my opinion anyway. Get the se425s, got em for $219 at eglobalcentral website, be careful buying anywhere else or any cheaper, people make their own and sell them as knockoffs. Hope I helped.